It's the Team Mafia Tea Party (Dead Thread)

[Magua]

My flavor has determined that zoraster is really like the Tony Soprano of a company that inexplicably makes money by modding mafia games.

[Magua]

Spoiler: Spoilers

Full player info

[Magua]

Spoiler:

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.4

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (3): GreyICE, Wisdom, notscience
GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone

Not Voting (4): Cephrir, Iecerint, TierShift, xRECKONERx

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-51	0
GreyICE	-48	0
Iecerint	-50	0
notscience	-55	0
shos	-57	0
T-Bone	-48	0
TierShift	-50	0
Wisdom	-1,000,049	-1,000,000
xRECKONERx	+999,942	1,000,000

This has been my favorite vote count so far.

[Magua]

Magua's terrible game

Spoiler:

[Magua]

What

My player spoilers in 7 were 100% accurate!

[Magua]

It's impressive just how early your team got out. Two full games are done now and White Flag is in lylo and STILL you're the only team to be all out. That said, the large theme is taking FOREVER to play out.

The Hitmen is all out.

Gestalt had the advantage of Nacho's colorblindness.

[Magua]

What

They've been out for two weeks!

Wait

More flavor for my theme. Carry on.

(Also, Marshmallow Pillow Fort's name is wrong on the OP of the team mafia announcement. Says 're')

[Magua]

tbqh, the number of replacements/swaps in these games makes me sad.

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And I'm sad that Cabd was all "I'm going to replace out" in the game thread, and "I'm going to replace out" in your PT, and then never actually replaced out. =/

[Magua]

I'd argue the opposite -- it's least beneficial to replace in late in VN (assuming you're talking about a strong player replacing a weak player in a town slot). Weak players are unlikely to be NK'ed so can last to the end easier, whereas strong players are likely to be shot -- but that's not a worry in Nightless.

[Magua]

Oh, if you're saying that there are plenty of people who would replace into Vanilla Nightless knowing they'd get town, but would never ever sign up for VN because there's a chance they might draw scum, I agree entirely.

[Magua]

Cabd's role couldn't be used to bring anyone to L-1 or above. (Not that anyone knew that.)

[Magua]

Yea, but had it been a scum role there would've been some other limitation on it to stop exactly that sort of behavior (eg, "No further votes will be counted until after the next vote count" or similar).

I like giving players roles they can do some weird shit with (ranging from useless to useful), but I don't like giving players roles that confirm alignment (Innocent Child, Mason, and Friendly Neighbor excepted). I've had scum doublevoters and given the chance I'd have a scum vote mover.

[Magua]

I've decided to draw out the flips in my game from now on, just to be a huge dick.

[Magua]

Cabd was lynched because he lurked. Cop never got a report on him because she was shot.

[Magua]

Town got lucky both with that, and with Iecerint sending the track to Rhinox N2 (Iecerint was roleblocked, Rhinox died). Otherwise T-Bone would've probably been instalynched.

[Magua]

fwiw, I disagree strongly with the existence of a meaningless point mechanic, even if it is town controlled.

Ok. Why?

[Magua]

For one, it allows scum to claim a meaningful point-mechanic based role. The only defense to such a claim is "maybe the mod made points meaningless solely to enable a scum fake-claim."

Not particularly seeing the problem? So they claim it?

I mean, it was put in as Town as a filler role that was sorta-neat but didn't really do anything. But I could easily see putting it in as a scum role and let them claim the points did whatever they wanted it to.

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I do have some regrets.

- I regret not informing Town ahead of time that there was a framer. Each investigative role was told there were abilities that could alter their results, but that was probably not enough.

- I regret the roleblocker being able to get the game into a state where it could go forever. A better use would probably have been to limit it so it could target any given person only once in the game.

- I regret giving the scum vengeful a fakeclaim of vengeful. I wanted a fakeclaim that did not include a Night action and got dumb.

[Magua]

Um.

Um?

So, um, you think it's bad because it means scum shouldn't fakeclaim something they have no information about and don't know how to influence?

PEdit: It was solely manipulated by Reck's role.

[Magua]

Scum are able to fakeclaim anything they want, but that comes with risks -- the less information scum have about it, the more risk. I mean, scum can see someone lynched at L-1 and then turn around and fakeclaim doublevoter, but they're going to be tested or counterclaimed. It's a huge risk.

Scum see points but nothing in the setup rules about points, they certainly *can* claim something about it, like it's possible, but the risk is just so huge that I would think it would never be worth it. Even if Reck's role hadn't included that line it, what's going to happen? Reck will adjust points to test whatever it is they just claimed.

[Magua]

Aiyoooo.

Sucks about how I died in both games.

Guessing they suspected I was PR, Magua? I tried to fuck up my reads and look useless like crazy, but still. >_>

Well, role madness. Everyone was a PR. =P

You were active and involved, was the essence of it, and the scumteam wanted town to be apathetic.

[Magua]

I'll happily tell you who the scum are in the Mini Theme.

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In seriousness, we just want to avoid any potential slippage. Not that we think anyone in this thread would slip[1], but, y'know.

[1] Significant look.

[Magua]

The 13p game was more jason pissing the game away by not bg'ing the claimed roleblocker because he didn't believe the claim.

Also why did this turn puke green?

[Magua]

Also: fine, don't do anything about it... but when the situation is blatantly immediately hostile (Grey's first posts were "I will lynch Reck if he gets to L-1" "Why?" "Because I fucking hate your guts, asshole") then it's time to step in and resolve it. My over the top, hostile play the remainder of that game was specifically due to the fact that you and Magua sat on your hands and did nothing about Grey immediately making things personal.

I prefer to keep private things private. But since you want to:

I warned GreyICE, and he stopped.

Meanwhile, your behavior in the thread was beyond atrocious, despite several warnings. If I sat on my hands at any point during that game, it was to not force replace you.

[Magua]

Yeah sorry, I don't give a damn if you "warned" Grey after he clearly crossed a personal line when I had kept things civil w/ him. If it was just some rando I wouldn't think twice, but I have a significant history with him and it set me the fuck off. Not going to apologize for taking you/zor's inaction as a signal that I was free to cross some lines.

You are free to believe what you wish. I will just respond with a compilation of posts and let the reader draw their own conclusion.

[Magua]

Man, I /still/ can't believe you put a Ninja into that setup, Nexus.

[Magua]

The last scum in the Normal was Malakittens. Nexus is just bastard modding at this point.

[Magua]

Trojan was scum. We PMed him to stop slowrolling and just hammer.

Eight way tie for first place.

[Magua]

Pretty certain that if jason had actually bg'ed STD it was a town autowin.