Newbie 1901 (Game Over!)

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VOTE: guten tag because 'Schönen Tag' is the superior way of saying good day in German

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VOTE: Bulbasaur because early bandwagons get things rolling, also because bulbasaur is the easiest starter pokemon gym-wise

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An early bw on someone who has been talking isn't exactly the best thing to initiate. Especially since I already have pressure on me for my RVS votes.

Well the only bandwagon I can hop on is either on you or FL, and FL is the guy from my

first ever

previous game that I liked the most, so it's not him

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muh and flavor are among the people I want to lynch

Would you say the same thing if either one of their wagons were at L-1?

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As town, I would gladly accept the D-1 lynch as a necessary sacrifice and hope town can build a solid case based on any evidence that I've left behind while alive

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I stand by what I wrote. Unfortunately the probability (22%) of randomly catching scum on the first day is more than that (20%) of randomly guessing based on the bandwagon after someone flips green. I like my odds, and bulbasaur is responding quite selfishly and anti-towny. Almost even contrary to the town's win condition....

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I'm not sure what this means, can you elaborate?

Say we all collectively randomly picked someone to lynch on D-1. Odds that we hit scum are 2/9 = 22%.
Now let's assume they flip townie, obviously we have to analyze the wagon. I have faith in town (unlike Bulba) and believe that they will not lynch unless there is scum intervention- this is just my interpretation of game theory and what not. There is 1 scum out of 5 people who voted to lynch = 20%.

Simple statistics tells me that without any additional information I'd rather be the one to pick someone at random to lynch, than analyze a wagon that I wasn't on.

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Plus

the people I want to lynch today already

really grinds my gears. On top of having some sort of personal vendetta, being overall untrustworthy of town

I don't know if I trust town if they were willing to lynch me as town

puts bulba in scum territory for me

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What personal vendetta?

muh and flavor are among the people I want to lynch today already

And I find it hard to believe that an SE player would be this cynical and jaded

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pocket someone?

To put a townie into the scum's pocket.

I'm being accused of trying to psychologically manipulate FL into liking me so much that he'd stand behind me and all of my """scummy actions""" because in FL's mind, there's no way such a nice person who says nice things to him could be scum.

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next levelling me

Truly only someone so wise and experienced could understand my true motivations and intentions

Now can @Alonzo say something not nipple related?

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protown to allow yourself to get lynched as town

For a worthy cause it is. Like if we have a solid and foolproof contingency plan that guarantees us scum the next day for what happens when you flip green.

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IIRC It's because I called your distrust of town scummy to justify my hopping on your bandwagon

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Feel free to vote for real then.

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points

of interest

There are 3 ways to approach this:
-the mysterious IC will use jedi-mind tricks to manipulate us and win the game as scum (chance of happening- 2/9)
-the wise and illustrious IC will use their infinite wisdom to bless us newbies with insight and town leadership (chance of happening- 7/9)
-the IC doesn't do their duty and lurks/disappears/gets banned (chance of happening- 0 because this is FL )

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Which isn't rolling yet.

OMGUS VOTE: muh316

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Well let me tell you a story...

While you're at it, toss in your town reads please and thank you

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That story and the prequel trilogy better be coming along nicely before other people decide to 'turbo' you

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that he's at L-2

He's writing a masterpiece for us

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Hey, If you want to lose a doc then go ahead

This is Phantom Menace level bad.
Now what do you think will happen tonight?

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That's kind of what we expressed with our facepalms.
We'll find out if he survives the first night and/or when we do a mass claim.

That line casting doubt on the doc claim sucked.

This vote reasoning sucks just as much

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But why would you cast doubt on a claim made by someone I assume to be new to the game?

It's not the claim- that will resolve itself in a few days:
It's the fact that he claimed at L-2 with a lot of time before the day ends, hasn't delivered on his masterpiece, and has been an overall lurker this game.
Hell, he was only put at L-2 to pressure him to say something.

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This vote, even as an OMGUS, seems so random and misplaced it’s nearly comical

Apparently not anymore- he's at L-2 now

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So do you think he's town & lying, or scum & lying?
Either way, it doesn't make sense to lynch a reported doc on D-1 unless we know anything more about the setup. We'll deal with him when/if we mass claim.
That is, if he makes it past the first night with such a target sign painted on him.

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only way to bring him out is to directly speak to him

or we can put him at L-1 and prod him

@Flicker & @Bulba: do you still not like muh's tone and whatnot?

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What beautiful poetry.
It's only my second game here so I'm still trying out different playstyles.

Also

Feel free to vote for real then.

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Ok then please indulge me- why bad? Has he done stuff to deserve insane townie points in your eyes?

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UNVOTE: muh
Here's some breathing room, but you are my biggest scum suspect so far

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Flavour still isn't posting much....

Just like last game- townFL establishes town cred early on then backs off and kind of lurks for the remainder of D1 before the deadline

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-> Activity Overview, FL = 51 Posts: He has double your posts lol

So is this your last ditch attempt to get the wagon off you? By trying to shift focus away from you and to policy lynch lurkers?
This screams scummy to me

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I have a readlist written up, I just want more evidence (posts ) to solidify my position on a few people.
Maybe this will help

VOTE: Emperor

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stalk people

Lawl- if you scroll down from the home/forum index page you can see a list of all online users ("Who is online") which is probably what he meant, unless he actually stalked you.

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And shooting for lynching me I think is a waste since I have no power in the night cycle

Claiming vanilla townie already?

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Because it's hilarious and can either be a really newbie play or a next level pro play for both town or scum flippy.

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So jump on the wagon and let's see where it leads!

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I'll bite-
@Nippy: Power roles are really important to town as they provide valuable information outside of 'he said, she said' and votes.
They improve the

shot in the dark

odds.

So obviously getting rid (via NK, or lynching if possible) of said power roles before they have time to do powery stuff is important for scum.
Initial chance to NK a power roll: 1/7. You've just made it 1/6 by claiming townie.
I'd complain louder but gutentag already claimed doc so...... yeah

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Hi hi no worries.
Can you do us a huge solid and tell us what you think of every player here, and then preferably mention whether you think they're town or scum?

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Can you link me to this game?

Considering Alonzo already went through my profile and already read it, plus I've seen forum games crosslinked before I think it's ok.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77567
(If not, then please let me know and I will never do such a despicable act ever again)

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Can you explain the second post better?

All in good time, but so far muh's the only person to have been placed on L-1, and the guys responsible for putting him there (Alonzo, Flicker, GT) aren't really pushing for it. So time for another bandwagon!

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I'll provide the readlist I'm working on once Emperor votes as a cherry on top

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Seeing as the discussion of roles has sprung up: what should the PRs do this night?
Who does 'doc' save?
If we have a cop/tracker/neapolitan, who should they look at?
If we have a jailkeeper?

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Hey- I see a standstill here and I'm trying to get people's thoughts on who they want protected/investigated/looked at

But good- keep the votes rolling.

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This sort of discussion is of no benefit to the town. The only person it will ever benefit is scum.

...?
Not what happened in my last game...

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FYI doctors can't target themselves at night

Huh. Indeed- that's what the wiki says. I'm used to the 'can't target the same person two nights in a row' doctor.

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How am I rollfishing if I' m asking for advice on what EVERY hypothetical PR should do?

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I'm fishing/digging for information.
Like for instance: the fact that you'd rather hang me than ask for me to be investigated.
Now that everyone's reads are in, I'm interested in knowing who people want saved/investigated.

You realize that the PRs aren't obligated to listen to you, or aren't obligated to explicitly say who they will be acting on in the night.
So ok- I'll play the 'I'm a newbie, this is only my 2nd game onsite'- now please kindly explain why what I wrote above is invalid and how is it compromising?

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“VLA”

Vacation &/ Limited Access. Due to everyone leaving for Thanksgiving, they won't have the time/ability to visit this forum.

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I'm not saying the PR should come out on D-2 or whenever. I'm saying, I want to hear your thoughts on who you want PR'd as input. There's a difference.

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Aight: please remember this for when I flip green

Town-
FL: because I pocketed him- also because he's acting almost in the same way as he did last game as town. Also he has was killed N-1 last game so I'd like it if he made it to D2))
Alonzo & Flicker: their buddying in posts #212-#214 coupled with a desire to get somewhere in the game and their suspicion of me seem town. I'd be distrustful on anyone who doesn't suspect me playing so scummily. Real scum would want to keep me alive early on and use me as a scape goat later in the game. Also my gut says that scum won't buddy in public this early on. However the Alonzo 'turbo' request was slightly problematic- like he's fine with lynching LITERALLY ANYBODY asap instead of even considering a replacement.

Probably town, but distrustful-
Bulba: he's made it obvious from very early on that he distrusts town and it feels like he's very trigger happy. His arguing with me early on scored solid town points with me, but it seems like town bulba is scummy and defensive in nature

Claimed Doctor, so it will resolve itself later-
Hmm- where is our masterpiece?

Scumleans-
Emperor Flippy: Maybe the guy is probably shy, but seems really eager to stay out of the limelight. Given that the guy claims to have IRL mafia experience, I really think town flippy wouod be acting differently.
2ndstorywindow: The way he posts feel like he's trying really hard to get the 'Look at me' I'm so town' sentiment going. Also calling my OMGUS vote misplaced feels like he's trying to cover for his mafia buddy (coming right up
 
Scummier than scumlean-
Muh: the OMGUS vote wasn't really an OMGUS vote. I'm glad bulba and flicker have similar suspicions and put them in words.

(Inb4 you guys accuse me of only saying this because the bandwagon is rolling)

Now for the speculation bits- my gut tells me that Either
-muh trying to push Emperor is bussing OR
-2ndstory is trying to protect muh.

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Now to plead my case: acting scummy is the only way to see what happens and keep the game going. My intentions were to see who would like to jump on the 'easy' D-1 prey/lynch, and who would be interested in 'saving me' to use a scapegoat for later rounds if need me. Hence the early joke pocketing of FL, the arguing with bulba over nothing, and the muh/2ndstory shenanigans. I'm pretty sure it would've been easy for me to just be quiet, say nothing, and feign complete newbiness (like I did last game, and like SOME PEOPLE are doing this game ), but this way I get something out of it.

The 'rolefishing' accusation is one I don't get however. As I've already stated (and I don't think I've been replied to satisfactorily)- I'm poking around everyone's opinions on who they think/want investigated or protected or whatever. Basically in my last game, we had a strong player dictate power role usage which led us to winning the game. Furthermore, I'm not advocating that the PRs should immediately say something come D-2. I just want information/opinions. I have complete faith that the PRs can predict/guess properly regardless of who says what.

Alonzo (who's shown impulsive 'better-safe-than-sorry' turbolynch behavior), muh and 2nd do end up lynching me tonight, I'm damn near sure that there's scum on this wagon.