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Post Post #300  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:53 pm

Ah, misread in my haste. Im good either way as well. Enjoy your thing btw.

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Post Post #301  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:07 pm

I’m on mobile so I can’t bold this, and I have no idea how this works on this site but can I second Teacher’s motion?

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Post Post #302  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:22 pm

shit unexpeted stuff happened.
V/LA for 48 hours

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Post Post #303  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:27 pm

I may not make it here again before EoD.

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Post Post #304  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:40 am

I’m third for teachers motion.

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Post Post #305  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:33 am

It looks like at least 4 people would appreciate an extension, how about Monday at 2pm UTC. The Americas will be just be waking up, Africa/Europe will be at work and Oceania will be getting ready for sleep. I'll put the new deadline in the next vote count in a second.
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Post Post #306  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:35 am

Official Vote Count 1.10Forest is a cute little app for keeping track of how much time you spend being productive: you plant a little tree and then you can't use your phone for 25 minutes (or whatever time you set) because you are working on your task. eventually you unlock different types of trees. It's like a game but one that gives you time instead of sucking it away. If you have the paid version you can whitelist apps so you can use a dictionary app on your phone without killing your tree-in-progress but still can't get sucked into youtube. I have the free version and it's fine.

I don't actually get distracted by my phone very much but I still find it useful to say okay I am going to work on ___ for 25 minutes and then to have a record of how much time I spent actually getting stuff done this day/week/month/year.



LynchingWith 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

0verki11 (2): Roo, teacher
Thespio (1): skitter30
teacher (1): 0verki11

Not Voting (5): RCEnigma, snowbeast, Thespio, naturalbreadcrumbs, LCpl Jones

Deadline: 0 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes.


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skitter30 is V/LA Friday-Saturday.
0verki11 is V/LA until Sunday.
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Post Post #307  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:25 am

TY Plot.

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Post Post #308  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:11 am

Hey guys! Back from the poster presentation. It went well! :]

Back to this game.

@teacher: so your order of lynching is overkill/me/snow/thespio. Pardon me for being self-interested, but why am I right after overkill? Your case and RCE's case was on snow first, and you made the case for an overkill/snow team. I'm not too sure why I would be next after overkill.

As for your post 285 and RCE's post 286 - In retrospect I didn't have any idea of what RCE's case was (and in fact what I noted about snow's post was different from what RCE noted - I noted that snow's posts were unusually short, while RCE just said they were awkward), but I took a look at snow's post on page 1 and I immediately noticed how short it was compared to other people's answers, so I assumed that it was what RCE was onto.

As well, for your post 294, why are you okay with thespio's response ("I might :P")? Does that really answer your question?


On Thespio:
It can't be said that Thespio isn't combative. I don't think I've seen anyone here push as hard as he has when he was going after RCE's ass, and I kind of admire the flamboyant attitude that this kind of pressure takes, even if his posts end up scummy. And someone (skitter? Roo? RCE?) said something about Thespio's town meta aligning with what he is doing right now, which is being combative and lynchable day one, especially with his vote-and-push pressure tactic. (Question for the IC/SEs: It's okay to trust that someone talking about someone else's meta is always telling the truth right? Since that's supposed to be public record and all.) I think he gets full marks for vigorous scumhunting, and I figured he would be best left to be read as a very active townie.

However:
1. I'm not sure if anyone noticed/pointed this out, but Thespio never answered teacher's 4 questions. Even skitter, who joined after two replacements, managed to answer the questions; I'm pretty sure Thespio is the only one who didn't, and he was here since the beginning of the game. I thought it was worth mentioning, and I'm hoping that @teacher or @RCE can give their opinions on this (as they are the ones who used this tool in the beginning).
2. As teacher pointed out, Thespio has not gone full frontal on his tail end like he did with RCE, even though he stated that he was still iffy on teacher right after he stopped pressuring RCE. I personally would probably run out of motivation to do such a thing after hounding one person, and RCE warned him that his posts looked scummy, so not immediately going to teacher isn't suspicious, but Thespio hasn't gone after teacher for a while now, while maintaining his suspicions.
3. His pressure on RCE was vigorous, but I'm surprised he stopped simply because RCE refused to change his story. There is a point at which pressuring someone who sticks to their guns without any new evidence is pretty much pointless, so this isn't that big of a scum point against him.

All in all, I'm not convinced that thespio has a strong scum scent, but I can see how it might be true, and there's (circumstantial) evidence there. With the deadline looming (on Monday rather than Saturday, thank you Plotinus), I agree with skitter's idea to start a wagon that will hopefully be productive in obtaining more information before we go for the D1 lynch. It's the weekend, but I'm hoping we can get this one going.

VOTE: Thespio

Sorry Thespio, but as the man with the most vigorous pressuring style, I hope you can understand. :]

And @someone who a long time ago asked what I meant when I was talking about another set of questions like teacher's questions in the beginning: Since teacher and RCE used the set of 4 questions that almost everybody answered as content to move us out of RvS stage, and since at that point when I posted I thought that we were arguing over the same old pieces of information again and again, I figured that if somebody else had something similar, we could get fresh new content to get reads and cases off of. Right now I don't think it's really necessary, given that the thread is lively and not at all stale, but I still think it would be useful in the future if discussions come to a halt for any reason.

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Post Post #309  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:37 am

Congrats crumbs! Im running out the door (or at least about to wake my kids up to do so), but you are second on my list largely for the same reason 0verki11 is first - just not seeing alot of pro-town in the ISO, and seeing a general blandness on many slots that scum want to preserve flexibility for future days. Even now I cant tell your thoughts on several slots.

W/r/t your question, My response to Thespio was mostly to encourage him to come mix it up after he meta'd me. I would find a 1v1 helpful in sorting him. I got scummy vibes from him-RCE, but I can definitely see town motivations for doing it.

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Post Post #310  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:20 am

Cool, Thanks for the extension Plot. Overkill is probably the Lynch here, I don't have much to offer as a defense for him being town and J doubt anyone really does. Part of me wants to press the Thespio theory a little further but it can probably wait.

If I die in the night keep it in mind.

Teacher and Skitter threw a few questions my way that I will get to a little later, time is a little tight at the moment. Breadcrumb if we flipped overkill today and he turned out to be town who would you suspect to be scum?

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Post Post #311  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:30 am

In post 308, naturalbreadcrumbs wrote:1. I'm not sure if anyone noticed/pointed this out, but Thespio never answered teacher's 4 questions. Even skitter, who joined after two replacements, managed to answer the questions; I'm pretty sure Thespio is the only one who didn't, and he was here since the beginning of the game. I thought it was worth mentioning, and I'm hoping that @teacher or @RCE can give their opinions on this (as they are the ones who used this tool in the beginning).


Hey to address this, I will not in any game answer filler questions like these, I dont find talking about experience helps town in any way, Ive generally seen it used to give scum a reason to ML D1 when there is low activity.

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Post Post #312  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:47 am

In post 298, teacher wrote:Any chance we can have a Monday deadline given Skitter's VLA and weekends generally? FWIW, that would make it eight days since all slots showed up. Thanks, and total understanding, either way.


Gonna be honest though, I see this as Pro Town, like strong protown. I can scrap with you if you want, there were scummy things I saw in the past, but because teacher proposed we extend time Im gonna town lean, it turns my initial fears. He pushed Overkill and if teacher was scum he could have pushed to end Overkill by EoD, If he was partnered with Overkill he could have pushed away from him and let the time stay short to keep it urgent or gone for a nk, which is actually better for scum d1 in my opinion due to the ratios.

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Post Post #313  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:48 pm

In post 300, teacher wrote:Ah, misread in my haste. Im good either way as well. Enjoy your thing btw.


all's good

thanks, i had a nice time :)

==

In post 308, naturalbreadcrumbs wrote:(Question for the IC/SEs: It's okay to trust that someone talking about someone else's meta is always telling the truth right? Since that's supposed to be public record and all.)


no, they might think you wont' bother to check their work so just lie about it

like it's public record but that doesn't mean they're representing it accurately

In post 308, naturalbreadcrumbs wrote:1. I'm not sure if anyone noticed/pointed this out, but Thespio never answered teacher's 4 questions. Even skitter, who joined after two replacements, managed to answer the questions; I'm pretty sure Thespio is the only one who didn't, and he was here since the beginning of the game. I thought it was worth mentioning, and I'm hoping that @teacher or @RCE can give their opinions on this (as they are the ones who used this tool in the beginning).


ok, and? does the fact that he didnt' answer the questions lead you to believe anything in particular about his alignment?

why are you voting thespio and not, say, overkill, if you want to make a wagon happen before deadline? (ie i'm pointint out that overkill already has two votes on him rn, and thespio has just the one; it might be easier to get overkill to five votes because of this)

if you could maybe give your read on each player with like a sentence describing why i'd appreciate it

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Post Post #314  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:56 pm

Spoiler:
In post 55, Thespio wrote:
In post 54, RCEnigma wrote:Thespio voting Jones the way he did in post 11combined with his reason being false to begin with, though I wanrted to see who pointed it out.


I mean, it was RVS, I could have voted because my left elbow was itchy, im not sure how you think you got so much out of no one actually clashing in any way? So you tr teacher because you have similar views on arbitrary things? this seems odd to me.

In post 60, Thespio wrote:
In post 56, RCEnigma wrote:Is there a particular reason you dislike Teacher being read as town?


I just dont read an ic or se as town very easily they have the advantage of being in a teaching position. He could spend the whole game talking about prior experiences to avoid actually talking about the game. Also votes from RVS are arbitrary, unless you think Lcnl Jones is scummy because he voted based on texture and mess in RVS. Now if i voted for the same reason rn I think it would be scummy. I am curious who benefits by discussion of earlier games more though, IYO who does that help?

In post 61, Thespio wrote:
In post 56, RCEnigma wrote:Teacher is observing the game in a similar manner to myself and I know my alignment.


You are buddying him really hard though. Very interesting.

In post 64, Thespio wrote:
In post 63, LCpl Jones wrote:
In post 61, Thespio wrote:
In post 56, RCEnigma wrote:Teacher is observing the game in a similar manner to myself and I know my alignment.


You are buddying him really hard though. Very interesting.

I don't think scum RC does this though. I was scum with him recently, and he basically put me at null iirc as opposed to here where he has a strong townread on teacher. He's also much more active here than there. I wouldn't say he couldn't be scum, but I don't think so.


Wifom as far as why he would do anything but in your game did he get a Tr on anyone based on rvs?

In post 89, Thespio wrote:So hear me out here, just want all your opinions on this, I’m currently scum leaning on RCE but assuming he is just saying I think we’re simmiliar then the most beneficial thing for teacher if he was scum would be for them to lean into this idea that they are similar, this would let him pick up a townie and he could attempt to shift suspicion off of their pocketed townie to gain their trust. At the time there wasn’t really any pressure on teacher so they didn’t have to worry about us flipping on them. But now teacher is trying to justify their interactions and even more he strait up says he thinks it’s weird how similar they are. Meanwhile I think the rest of us are like ‘wtf are they talking about?’

Currently feel this makes teacher scum and a hard lean with RCL
VOTE: Teacher

In post 124, Thespio wrote:I still think the fact that i call a wagon on RCE and he leans away, then teacher starts to lean away when they were just complimenting each other. Someone explain the snowbeast case. Lay it out for me, because the 9 posts make me see possible scumlurking but not much more

In post 127, Thespio wrote:
In post 40, RCEnigma wrote:Snowbeast comes in with a very awkward repeat of Roo's post and a lackluster response to the last question which didn't give the town impression I was looking for when compared to the rest of the slots answers.


In post 40, RCEnigma wrote:Snowbeast stuck out for his answers not being short but being awkward. I purposefully put forth jokish answers to the middle questions and light effort in the last. At the very least to convey what my mindset will and should be



This is your case? all of it? He has 9 posts, like i said, i think he could be scum lurking* (sorry if anything is weird im using my phone) but i dont see him masterminding some plot, or even really playing. let alone playing scum. Why dont you think its teacher? you dont think its weird he leaned into your buddying and complimented you? because a scum lurking case is stronger?

In post 131, Thespio wrote:
In post 130, RCEnigma wrote:None of my case was predicated on snow lurking. YOUR suspicions hinge on scum lurking. I don't think Snowbeast is masterminding anything, that was a throwaway line to lead into YOUR read on Teacher.

If you put those two snippets back into their context it explains: Motivations, agendas compared against each other, Thought processes etc. Think of the beginning of my post in 40 as a syllabus and use it to determine what I got out of the posts leading up to 40 and what I was looking for within the criteria I laid out.

riiiight, so my case against teacher, and my read on you dont predicate on scumlurking, youre suspicions, in context, make no sense beyond 'I didnt like his history post' and 'he had awkward posts' both of which can be explained with lack of experience and a lack of commitment to the game. so my concern is that you are pretending you have this case when you are really just pushing a policy lynch.

In post 134, Thespio wrote:You were until today under the same case, which you believe is more solid then the weird buddying thing that was going on with you two. Either of you can be town, but watching you keep saying that you are similar and then me pointing out its weird and having you backtrack. then having teacher lean further in and back track. its all susp.

In post 138, Thespio wrote:You being all buddy buddy
In post 39, RCEnigma wrote:Teacher and I are on the same wavelength at the moment. I don't see him pocketing an SE over a newbie but I'm not convinced in that.


In post 56, RCEnigma wrote:Teacher is observing the game in a similar manner to myself and I know my alignment.


I point out that its wierd how he and you are acting

In post 91, RCEnigma wrote:o yes I am very cognizant of what Teacher is doing in relation to my slot. With that in mind I an evaluating both a world that he is scum trying to pocket me and a world where he is town reading the game in the same way I am. I lean to the latter but that doesn't mean I've ruled out Teacher being scum 4 pages in.


its shift that makes me uncomfortable, you have such a hard time evaluating him, and hes not even defending himself, then we got you jumping through his hoops. then its pointed out and you step back and tell us you are evaluating him.

Everything is straitforward youre just trying to dodge actually evaluating anything.

VOTE: RCE

In post 143, Thespio wrote:
In post 139, RCEnigma wrote:No, it's more like you won't be satisfied unless I call him scum. I don't think he is. I think the likelihood of Teacher being scum here shrinks the more that you try to press that narrative.

I can evaluate without tipping him off to that fact, which is why I said I was waiting for his read on Roo despite myself having that same read. To see if we are sharing the same mindset or if Teacher was placating me. That was evaluating his slot. I am well within my rights to evaluate both my scum reads and my town reads to assess their motivations at any stage in the game.


How are you a SE slot? Are you scum reading me? Otherwise you getting more set is surprising. As an SE explain the logic here. Also he just posted, he ignored your req.

In post 148, Thespio wrote:
In post 144, RCEnigma wrote:Teacher already responded to the Roo question if that's what you mean. I wasn't scumreading you but if you aren't willing to evaluate the things that or going on or actually read what people are posting then yes I'm inclined to believe it's scummy.


Ok, I’m thoroughly convinced you would have changed your story at some point in this spat and you haven’t. I still feel like one of you would have been scum, not sold on teacher. Idk about overkill that’s where I would like to look to next.

VOTE: UNVOTE

Edited so the automated vote counter can understand: UNVOTE: --P

In post 161, Thespio wrote:
In post 153, 0verki11 wrote:Skitter, teacher said something about second votes being scummy and then was a second vote on a wagon in his next.
VOTE: Teacher


This is the saddest vote ever. Im unsure of what to do with it.

In post 162, Thespio wrote:If Overkill flipped scum i would assume that their scum buddy was one of the recent replacees, and that they are new playing scum. Thats all i get out of that weak vote.

In post 165, Thespio wrote:
In post 164, skitter30 wrote:i'm thinking he probably isn't scum with teacher


Im betting your right, so either hes scum or teacher is, they are mutually exclusive in my mind at this point

In post 218, Thespio wrote:Intent to Hammer

On to you Overki11

In post 231, Thespio wrote:I did post intent, if your claiming a Pr since it’s d1 I would be in favor of lynching someone else.

In post 241, Thespio wrote:
In post 234, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 231, Thespio wrote:I did post intent, if your claiming a Pr since it’s d1 I would be in favor of lynching someone else.

You really sure you want me to claim?
Also we have 3 days left so we shouldnt be in an hurry.


No, I’m telling you if you don’t want to I’m fine waiting until D2 for a claim.

In post 242, Thespio wrote:
In post 237, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 235, teacher wrote:Claim. Intent has been posted. You’ve softed enough anyways that “scum” already knows :lol:

Ehh, was worth a try, im VT lmao.


Nvm then, if you flip green I’m leaning against teacher.

In post 267, Thespio wrote:
In post 265, teacher wrote:i think the concern was not the logic of 0veri11-me polarity, but rather the somewhat lining-up-lynches subtext which can be scummy.


I could die tonight, want to make sure my voice carries to tomorrow, when im off work ill go into detail into my reads thus far

In post 270, Thespio wrote:
In post 269, skitter30 wrote:hey rce you want to vote thespio with me?

i feel like this could be a good wagon


I am all for pressure, but this ^ sketches me out a little. If you read me scum just vote me, ask me what you want to know, but the idea you are shopping for a good wagon comes across scummy to me.

In post 274, Thespio wrote:1) skitter30
Scumlean

I find that they identify pocketing as something that they do when some and then having them comment on teacher buddying RCL as susp as a flag for me. Then we have their proposition for a wagon rather then posting their opinion and then pushing like town ought to.

2) Roo

Town Lean

I feel like Roo has been constructive, nothing to crazy.

3) naturalbreadcrumbs0.5

Nuetral/Town

The V/LA messes with this one, but I believe they are likely town based on what theyve posted while they were active

4) snowbeast1 replaces RainZI
Nuetral/Scum

I feel like the scum vibe i get might just be the fact they are new, but I'm leaning towards nuetral

5) 0verki11
Scum

I do think based on my experience with overkill they come across grossly scum earlygame. The lack of explanation for their actions makes it look like they dont have any reason for what they do which i read as scum. I bought teachers explanation on this in #219, even though i sr him the explanation given makes sense.

Dont really buy the claim at this point

6) RCEnigma (SE)
Town

My push on RCE leaves me satisfied that they are not scum, If they had given more insight to the game, and I felt like they had more information then town should at this point I would have read them scum, but I didnt so I am satisfied with my call.

7) LCpl Jones (SE)

Townlean/neutral

I feel like hes constructive, playing like town would in my mind so i lean town with jones.

8) teacher (IC)
Scum/nuetral

this is becoming more neutral, i saw their point with overkill which is why i pushed them. Its also why i said i would flip to teacher day 2 ig if overkill had flipped green. I think the way handled RCE, and the way they seem to try to shift things urks me. I would like pressure here but I think others tr him too hard.

In post 275, Thespio wrote:
In post 271, skitter30 wrote:idk i think it'll be more effective at this stage in the day if there were more than one vote on you

i'm not asking for permission, i'm trying to find out if he's willing to help me make a wagon because me and my one vote doesn't do all that much by itself

but sure, i'll start it now

VOTE: thespio


I mean I get that, I feel like dropping your reason, then voting, and later asking for a wagon would make more sense. To me this looks like you are pocketing RCE, when i was on him you were defending him, when teacher was trying to buddy him you pointed it out with me, when you want to vote someone you ask if they do too. Seems odd.

In post 278, Thespio wrote:
In post 277, skitter30 wrote:can you explain a little more why you think teacher is scum in the event overkill is town? i'm not super following your logic


Yeah, I see his logic of scum not having an impact and overkill/snowbeast matching this. I see this as being correct rn, but if one of them flipped green it would lead me to believe that scum knows they could get a ml by portraying this. Thus if he was scum he could come into this playing low key and putting it on new players.

In post 283, Thespio wrote:
In post 282, RCEnigma wrote:But your scumread on teacher and overkill being pressured or offered as the lynch are unrelated.

Anyways, what do you think about the lack of a counterwagon?


I guess that’s what irked me about teacher at that point, the lack of counter wagon is and can be due to a weak mafia but also could be because the target is weak town, newbie town. I’m not predefined teacher over overkill though at this point, simply feel that the comment he made could indicate he is scum letting this wagon go but only if overkill is green.

In post 292, Thespio wrote:
In post 288, teacher wrote:
In post 160, Thespio wrote:If they were active I would get into it with them like I did with RCE
Im your counterwagon to 0verki11, and youve made repeated posts about why you scum me. Why havent you tried to "get into it" with me to sort me?


I may :p I’m just going to have to look at your other games to see your playstyle.

In post 312, Thespio wrote:
In post 298, teacher wrote:Any chance we can have a Monday deadline given Skitter's VLA and weekends generally? FWIW, that would make it eight days since all slots showed up. Thanks, and total understanding, either way.


Gonna be honest though, I see this as Pro Town, like strong protown. I can scrap with you if you want, there were scummy things I saw in the past, but because teacher proposed we extend time Im gonna town lean, it turns my initial fears. He pushed Overkill and if teacher was scum he could have pushed to end Overkill by EoD, If he was partnered with Overkill he could have pushed away from him and let the time stay short to keep it urgent or gone for a nk, which is actually better for scum d1 in my opinion due to the ratios.


Here's my read on Teacher.

So what I noticed was that his entire first part of the ISO right up to post 143 is all about RCE / teacher apart from his two RVS posts. He launched right in about this. In 60 he says he has a hard time reading teaching positions as town as they can influence people. I find that more of an excuse than a reason. I think looking at 60 he almost certainly planned to push the IC or SE and this is him giving an excuse for it. That looks scummy to me as if so he is not scumhunting but playing to an agenda.

Second thing, in 148 everything changes. He goes from hard pushing RCE and teacher to backing off. This shows to me he wasn't scumhunting but pushing them for a scum agenda, i.e. he wasn't seriously scumreading them because he knew they weren't scum. I have a thought maybe the other scum player in this case could have told him to back off (maybe even RCE or teacher), but that can wait till day 2.

Next,

Apologies for the long delay, but RL just got very very busy. I might end replacing out... I'll hold out if I can.

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Post Post #315  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:57 pm

Oops, hit submit instead of preview. Will finish the post now :lol:

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Post Post #316  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:05 pm

Anyway, in 165-200 he switched to overkill, and in fact posts intent to hammer. I'm not scum reading this for changing his mind but this feels a bit suspicious, since he just went from full blast RCE / teacher to hammering overkill in 4 posts. I also find it interesting that he says overkill or teacher are mutually exclusive. I find the tone of that post vaguely TMI.


I find 231 very wired, if overkill was a PR scum would just kill him tonight and he wouldn't be able to claim tomorrow. it reads a lot like or hunting, and now that he has found a PR he is willing to get back off (and thus get town credit).

On that topic I find his reads list suspicious. Notice that RCE is town and teacher is back towards neutral. See above.
And finally his thirding the motion to extend the day could be an attempt to gain towncred especially in light of 312.

All in all can anyone tell me if thespian is at l-1? If not I'm putting my vote there ASAP!

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Post Post #317  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:47 pm

In post 316, LCpl Jones wrote:Anyway, in 165-200 he switched to overkill, and in fact posts intent to hammer. I'm not scum reading this for changing his mind but this feels a bit suspicious, since he just went from full blast RCE / teacher to hammering overkill in 4 posts. I also find it interesting that he says overkill or teacher are mutually exclusive. I find the tone of that post vaguely TMI.


I find 231 very wired, if overkill was a PR scum would just kill him tonight and he wouldn't be able to claim tomorrow. it reads a lot like or hunting, and now that he has found a PR he is willing to get back off (and thus get town credit).

On that topic I find his reads list suspicious. Notice that RCE is town and teacher is back towards neutral. See above.
And finally his thirding the motion to extend the day could be an attempt to gain towncred especially in light of 312.

All in all can anyone tell me if thespian is at l-1? If not I'm putting my vote there ASAP!



Im not, I am curious though, if i kept pushing RCU and he kept insisting he was just reading town and it wasnt a scum play to pocket the IC or vice versa, who gains from that? IF he had changed i would have been all over it, The approach i take is due to my background in PF Cross Ex, which i did for the last 8 years. If i found a chinc in what was said i would have kept pushing, im curious, why did you back off overkill? Why did you stop SR him? this to me seems like opurtunism, your case is reliant on me having been actively pushing for info as a scummy move, you assume im scum going into it and arent evaluating me so much as looking for something to make me look scum. So again why did you back off OK?

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Post Post #318  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:52 pm

In post 316, LCpl Jones wrote:Anyway, in 165-200 he switched to overkill, and in fact posts intent to hammer. I'm not scum reading this for changing his mind but this feels a bit suspicious, since he just went from full blast RCE / teacher to hammering overkill in 4 posts. I also find it interesting that he says overkill or teacher are mutually exclusive. I find the tone of that post vaguely TMI.


I find 231 very wired, if overkill was a PR scum would just kill him tonight and he wouldn't be able to claim tomorrow. it reads a lot like or hunting, and now that he has found a PR he is willing to get back off (and thus get town credit).

On that topic I find his reads list suspicious. Notice that RCE is town and teacher is back towards neutral. See above.
And finally his thirding the motion to extend the day could be an attempt to gain towncred especially in light of 312.

All in all can anyone tell me if thespian is at l-1? If not I'm putting my vote there ASAP!


VOTE: Jones

This is just too offputting, Crumbs is new, so ill write his sort of wierd reason for thinking im scum off to that, but Jones's reason doesnt address why hes leaving OverKill, doesnt actually make any sense in retrospect and leads me to believe the reason we havent had alot with him is because hes trying to glide by in the foreground.

Im still leaning towards OK, but this case leads to so many questions.

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Post Post #319  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:03 pm

Due to the lack of strength with scum Im leaning towards a Jones (due to activity) and Overkill (due to experience) team due to recent events, Would like reads on them from others.

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Post Post #320  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:31 pm

In post 318, Thespio wrote:
In post 316, LCpl Jones wrote:Anyway, in 165-200 he switched to overkill, and in fact posts intent to hammer. I'm not scum reading this for changing his mind but this feels a bit suspicious, since he just went from full blast RCE / teacher to hammering overkill in 4 posts. I also find it interesting that he says overkill or teacher are mutually exclusive. I find the tone of that post vaguely TMI.


I find 231 very wired, if overkill was a PR scum would just kill him tonight and he wouldn't be able to claim tomorrow. it reads a lot like or hunting, and now that he has found a PR he is willing to get back off (and thus get town credit).

On that topic I find his reads list suspicious. Notice that RCE is town and teacher is back towards neutral. See above.
And finally his thirding the motion to extend the day could be an attempt to gain towncred especially in light of 312.

All in all can anyone tell me if thespian is at l-1? If not I'm putting my vote there ASAP!


VOTE: Jones

This is just too offputting, Crumbs is new, so ill write his sort of wierd reason for thinking im scum off to that, but Jones's reason doesnt address why hes leaving OverKill, doesnt actually make any sense in retrospect and leads me to believe the reason we havent had alot with him is because hes trying to glide by in the foreground.

Im still leaning towards OK, but this case leads to so many questions.



That's just blatant omgus and shade throwing.

It feels like a scum reaction imo.

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Post Post #321  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:33 pm

In post 320, LCpl Jones wrote:That's just blatant omgus and shade throwing.

It feels like a scum reaction imo.


Answer my questions please.

Why did you shift off of Overkill?
Why is applying pressure scummy?
why is recognizing someone as town scummy?
Why did you have the same reads as me when i started applying pressure and then not apply any pressure?

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Post Post #322  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:38 pm

In post 320, LCpl Jones wrote:That's just blatant omgus and shade throwing.

It feels like a scum reaction imo.


Also usually speaking OMGUS would be less then 3 posts and a bunch of questions, I see this as a "Im a wagon and someone with Dirty Boots just got on."

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Post Post #323  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:58 pm

In post 321, Thespio wrote:
In post 320, LCpl Jones wrote:That's just blatant omgus and shade throwing.

It feels like a scum reaction imo.


Answer my questions please.

Why did you shift off of Overkill?
Why is applying pressure scummy?
why is recognizing someone as town scummy?
Why did you have the same reads as me when i started applying pressure and then not apply any pressure?


because you are scummier
I don't know where you get that from because its not - its your utter reversal that is scummy
I don't know where you get that from because its not - its your utter reversal that is scummy
because I reread you as I said I would. If you are talking about me scumreading teacher, I think a vote is pressure.

keep obv!scumming please

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Post Post #324  (ISO)  » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:01 pm

In post 323, LCpl Jones wrote:I don't know where you get that from because its not - its your utter reversal that is scummy
I don't know where you get that from because its not - its your utter reversal that is scummy
because I reread you as I said I would. If you are talking about me scumreading teacher, I think a vote is pressure.

keep obv!scumming please


So your entire case is pre-overkill, but im scummier now? you didnt think it was scummy when i was questioning them then? but because i felt they are town after clashing that makes me scum to you? what made over kill less scummy or me more scummy?

are you reading teacher as town or scum? Why are you in a different place? how did you get there with little to no activity, and no questions for teacher? are you reading RCU as town or scum? Just to let you know Im evaluating you based on 2 of your prior games, 1 scum, 1 town. Im curious to see how you compare.

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