Newbie 1904 - Game Over

[AbyssalLord]

sounds like something mafia would say lmao

[AbyssalLord]

ohhhh, it's Joshua spelled backwards. Clever. Can we just call you Joshua then?

I mean, if you want.

okay cool!

what if I told you I was already feeling that ceejay and lamees are town?

If you had to either agree or disagree, what do you think?

Why do you feel they're already town?

sounds like something a merry band of mafia would say lmao

[AbyssalLord]

huh, didn't know there was only two maf

[AbyssalLord]

i know next to nothing, honestly. all I know is that there are probably 4 vt and those special townies, with 2 maf

[AbyssalLord]

gonna go read wiki now, so I don't ruin this game

[AbyssalLord]

sorry for spam, but which guides, and/or roles should I read up on? I plan on reading some wiki/forum pages so I can actually know what's going on

[AbyssalLord]

correction: 4 vt, one special(?), 2 maf

[AbyssalLord]

so, if there is a mafia rolecop, there could be a jailkeeper and tracker? is that how it works?

[AbyssalLord]

Vote: No Lynch

[AbyssalLord]

Vote: No Lynch

Why do you want to end the day with no lynch?

I have no idea what's going on so I don't want to lynch a townie.

[AbyssalLord]

was looking at the wiki last night, can't believe certain mish-mash games can almost last for a year

[AbyssalLord]

He was townie then, but he wasn't pushy in that game.

Really? I felt like everyone was calling me pushy/saying I was asking too many questions in that game.

If you couldn't tell, I'm trying to get the game moving past the RVS stage. I often do this, and I get less aggressive once there's more to talk about

I think I felt it less because that game had a lot more activity so that pushy attitude didn't really come across as strong as it is here. This game however, it seems like you're the guy trying to drive the conversation. I could tell you're trying to get us out of RVS and that's why I didn't give you a scumlean.

I'd really like Jess0204 to say something

I'd really like you to say something as well. How about your thoughts on AbyssalLord's possible townslip. Do you think it's genuine?
Is there anywhere else you'd like to place your vote since you unvoted your initial vote.

Thoughts on abyssallords possible townslip?

Lamees, I want to know your answer to this question as well.

In conclusion, VOTE: AbyssalLord. I'm not buying the townslip. Most of his posts are questions and speculation on game theory. We haven't seen anything productive yet.

I mean, I can't really do anything productive when I don't know how to play, compared to someone who started playing nearly a decade ago.

[AbyssalLord]

In order to be clearer, and to explain my though process, I am used to thinking people defending each other early are either scum or two very important townies (from ToS.) Additionally, I am usually a bit suspicious of people who act like that, due to one of them sometimes being a lynchee, from that blowing up in my face a few times. Sorry if I'm mainly discussing game strategies or basic mechanics, that's my general approach with most games. Anyways, that's why I distrust very early town-leans. I also distrust scum-leans from general behavior early, as I'm used to the much faster paced ToS. (Usually from important townies like Jailor not wanting to draw attention, or TI's attempting to gather important info before pushing on people.)

[AbyssalLord]

(I also recognize that there is no jest in this game.)

[AbyssalLord]

Vote: jim

[AbyssalLord]

VOTE: jIm

[AbyssalLord]

oh, makes sense. anyways, I voted them because I've adopted the "get past RVS stage" mindset now.

[AbyssalLord]

Forgot about this.

Busy tonight but will be on tommrow, presume the only reason I'm L-2 is that I've been quiet?

from what I remember, yes.

[AbyssalLord]

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I'm going to keep my vote on Lamees right now for continuing to mirror Irrelephant's votes and trying to encourage baseless wagons by voting first and justifying later.

what about me?

I mean I was the first guy who voted you.

Nothing to say about everyone else?

they have been following votes around
VOTE: lamees

[AbyssalLord]

fair points, but was that an actual noob lobby game, such as ours, or another mode?

[AbyssalLord]

Forgot about this.

Busy tonight but will be on tommrow, presume the only reason I'm L-2 is that I've been quiet?

yes
Agree that weekends are usually a less active time onsite
Disagree that I only like Lamees because they followed my vote - if she had followed onto another wagon I would townread her for that, too

In retrospect, I like Jim's reasoning for scumreading Lamees, though - it's more well-thought-out than I originally realized. I don't like AbyssalLord's vote, though. "they have been following votes around" - AL, can you explain why that makes her more likely to be scum?

classic ToS play where you try to follow votes early, in order to appear as a townie. players in high elo VFR people who vote near the last, vote slowly,
or don't vote at all. still stuck in the ToS mindset.

[AbyssalLord]

VFR is town's strongest investigation tool in ranked, often used from Diamond-Master rank. It means to Vote For Role, where players are put on trial, where they have 1 minutes to defend themselves , before the town decides whether to lynch or put off trial, and are locked into claiming their roles. (similar to using intent to lynch to force claims.)

[AbyssalLord]

we should investigate micc, seems pretty sus with the inactivity.

[AbyssalLord]

My lean-list, sorry if this is abnormally made.
Heavy/Med maf: none
Slight Maf: Lamees, Irrelephant (defending someone vehemently over a gut feeling* is sus to me), Jim has been a bit lurky *gut feeling as in town lean
Neutral: auhsoj, have been afk, child (nothing has been too AI to me.), Okx, ceejay,
Slight Town:
Med Town: muh316 seems like a very experienced player, explained his maflean on me clearly (from what I remember.)
Heavy Town: me, of course. (what's a joke?)

anyways, that's my list. tell me if I made it terribly or it explains stuff.

[AbyssalLord]

oh tarnation savant flummery

[AbyssalLord]

VOTE: dongempire

seem way more scummy than Lamees IMO. i guess you could call this a "sheep"

[AbyssalLord]

next lad say intent to lynch(?)

[AbyssalLord]

also, don't like the "no reason to jump from wagon" part. they were inactive, and not responding. of course Lamees is gonna switch wagons.

[AbyssalLord]

i was reminding lads to that you were at L-1

[AbyssalLord]

i didn't really think of the "next lad say intent to lynch" because I thought it was a simple reminder that you were L-1, probably should've said that, but oh well.

anyways, i'm claiming Vanilla Townie since it's pretty damn obvious that there's an intent to lynch on me.

[AbyssalLord]

UNVOTE: dong

[AbyssalLord]

I meant that I knew nothing about actual game theories or mechanics, just what certain roles did. I still stand by that I know next to nothing besides what certain roles do. I didn't read very many guides, because most were from -04 to -14, so I assumed they were outdated. I was discussing my current strategy.

[AbyssalLord]

Frankly, for 83 I was discussing that my mindset was stuck in ToS style, so I was explaining why I was playing like how I was.

[AbyssalLord]

still don't believe he's town, but being a lone voter when everyone else's changed their mind about him would make me even more suspicious. IMO I'm in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation right now. I know I'm going to be the D1 lynch, no real reason to cast even more shade when it's been decided (indirectly).

[AbyssalLord]

re-reading the role list determines that we have a jail keeper this game

[AbyssalLord]

I’m rereading this today to firm up my reads and explain them
ICs are sometimes killed just for being IC’s so I’ll try to get everything in my head into the thread

I definitely don’t want a muh, dong, or lamees lunch. I’d prefer not to lynch Child either I think? Like I said I’ll be getting more thorough tonight.
@abyssal what are you saying about jailkeeper?

I looked at role list, and vanilla + jailkeeper is the only one with vanilla. this means that there is a jailkeeper in game.

[AbyssalLord]

im changing my opinion, irrelephant and lamees seem more townie to me now

[AbyssalLord]

I’m rereading this today to firm up my reads and explain them
ICs are sometimes killed just for being IC’s so I’ll try to get everything in my head into the thread

I definitely don’t want a muh, dong, or lamees lunch. I’d prefer not to lynch Child either I think? Like I said I’ll be getting more thorough tonight.
@abyssal what are you saying about jailkeeper?

I looked at role list, and vanilla + jailkeeper is the only one with vanilla. this means that there is a jailkeeper in game.

How about vanilla + cop?

oh, guess i misread. my mistake.

[AbyssalLord]

we have to lynch tomorrow. pressure's on. sorry lads.

[AbyssalLord]

splendid

[AbyssalLord]

i see, the brain smoothing and shrinking worked.

[AbyssalLord]

man I scumread dong completely wrong, honestly it was because he pushed on me, anyone else I would've been fine with. I was always a bit sus of ceejay so:

Intent to lynch Ceejay

[AbyssalLord]

What do you mean about dong there?

dong pushed on me so I scumread him

[AbyssalLord]

attaching signatures to posts ignore this

[AbyssalLord]

i guessed based off of role-list. i missed the cop - VT. anyways, does maf get like a special "oh here's everyone's roles" thing or they just know each other, and just know everyone else is town (asides from neutrals, but we have none)

[AbyssalLord]

anyways. I won't be able to be active in the next 15 hours.

[AbyssalLord]

quick to divert everything to me too, huh?

[AbyssalLord]

sorry lads, I'm back. with us being given a guide along the lines of "Stop Bussing!!!!!!!!" it wouldn't be a bad idea to bus since bussing wouldn't be thought of as a strategy. (kinda like a BBB's gambit?) (or am I wrong?) just my thoughts. anyways, I'm guessing we're losing irrelephant tonight, not considering there being a possibility of other PR's. I'm guessing we should go ahead with this Jim lynch/pressure, so:

VOTE: jim hawkins

[AbyssalLord]

UNVOTE: jim hawkins i would like to apologize for being game-end hungry

[AbyssalLord]

Muh, Jim - do either of you think Child or dongempire might be Mafia?

I personally think that dong is more townie than child here, he started the push on rolecop. If he was scum he could've not said a word and he would be fine.

[AbyssalLord]

sorry for inactivity lads im here

[AbyssalLord]

I have one quick question: how do you go about quoting sections of a long post (dong's)?

[AbyssalLord]

Man I feel extra clueless now. GG everyone! I have a long ways to go if I ever hope to do this again.

[AbyssalLord]

Since I almost got lynched day 1 and scumread by everyone, what should I do better?