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Fine with this, I have a similar approach to RVS but a majority of slots hadn't checked in. Give them time to get going to accomplish what this was really meant to do.In post 19, Elements wrote:
There wan't any real purpose other than to spark some form of discussion, which it now appears to have doneIn post 18, Loopdan wrote:Elements, what is the purpose of this vote change?
Open wolfing is fun eh?In post 22, muh316 wrote:
VOTE: Muh316 Don't tell me what to do or what not to do.In post 12, Loopdan wrote:---> Don't vote for yourself. There are very rare occasions where this is helpful in non-newbie games, but usually only for scum, so if you do it here you will certainly get scumread for it.
Weird bit of wifom here, I think Skellen was pretty straightforward when she said the vote doesn't accomplish anything.In post 44, Loopdan wrote:
What do you mean by fake pressure? Like is that I don't really want to lynch him but I'm voting him to make him think I am trying to lynch him?In post 42, Skellen wrote:It's basically fake pressure to look pro town considering muh can and probably will just unvote himself eventually.
That said Skellens questioning is pretty townie to this point. At the very least it's an attempt to solve that is coming a bit earlier than I would think scum would be willing to for obvious reasons. Early townlean there.
I'm thinking Muh/Loop have some....interesting interactions but only 2 and a half pages deep so I'll see if it develops.
What gave you that impression and why are you avoiding involvement there?In post 57, Thespio wrote:I think this is a tvt fight
Also bad. This wasn't the case in the newbie game we played, multiple slots we're inactive but you were aggressive with your pushes on active slots so I'm kind of side eyeing at this.In post 69, Thespio wrote:To make it clear d1 I tend to lean more towards policy, I won’t push anything because we have so much time but since this is a newbie game I want everyone to understand if it is a NL or me I would prefer you kill me. A kill d1 should prepare town to win.
The NL bit seems lamist but yes a day 1 no lynch is arguably anti town in this set of setups.-
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Looks like we had the same impression here.In post 76, Loopdan wrote:
Thespio is correct that it's better to lynch than NL day1. But I don't like how he brought it up. It was out of the blue and looks like an attempt to declare his own towniness.In post 74, Elements wrote:
please don't say this. the first game of forum mafia i played someone said this. i came back half a day later to 9 pages of pointless discussion that basically destroyed the gameIn post 69, Thespio wrote:if it is a NL or me I would prefer you kill me.
Kind of pedantic, hopefully this doesn't keep up.In post 85, Skellen wrote:
I would agree with this if he wouldn't have implied there is more to it with the "Later" in #29. Meanwhile he said it is as you said. Eeerrhh why was he even doing it so ominously in first place then.In post 64, Elements wrote: i don't see why this is important in any way. the vote happened on the first page of the game after muh voted themselves to spite loopdan. i can't see how there could be any reason for loopdan to vote them other then something along the lines of "well screw you too"
Some meat. Skellen is oozing town at this point. When I look at new players (experience elsewhere or otherwise) I look for effort, attention to detail, motivation (that's general in mafia but I digress). This goes a bit beyond the surface, moreso with the Thespio read, on why X slot is doing what they are doing. Instead of focusing on the fact that it happened. I like that.In post 96, Skellen wrote:Finally got some time to spare.
It's difficult to read Elements at the moment, at least for me, so I can't really see how you are leaning more towards town in his case. Comments here and there some things, but not enough to classify him on town/scum side. Normally I would think it's slightly scummy (I miss a little bit the initiative), however this early there isn't much juicy stuff to work with anyway.In post 86, Thespio wrote: How do you read Elements and I?
As for you I am struggling with you a little bit. I found your role in the exchange between me and loopdan slightly interesting, since you were kind of "moderating" between us. It would be consistent with your opinion that two townies went against each other instead of the using the moment to team up against a side, which is a positive thing. Of course a scum-you would have known better and could as well used that moment to get in a postive standing with two active townies. By feeling I am rather leaning towards the former. I was a bit wary when you put all the active players on the town side while I wouldn't even find it possible to say much about the others, as you can see in my comment about Elements, so that only the inactives are left for scum. A bit a too certain statement for this early. Leaning slightly towards town, but here and there are some things that remind me to keep an eye on you.
I also noticed when articulate newbies roll town they have a tendency to over explain reads to get as much of their thought process out as possible. I know this was the case when I started here.
This was the first connection I put together, why couldn't these two be scum together?In post 104, Elements wrote:
I take while to form reads, and I don't give them as often as other people in the few games I've played. So far this game the only read I've rlly got is that I don't think you and loop are both mafia. Everyone else is pretty much null at this pointIn post 102, muh316 wrote:Elements, you haven't given us any TR's or strong opinions on anyone. It seems like lurking to me.
Unprompted readslist without really interacting with anyone...meh not liking this.In post 111, PvtUrist wrote:Reads so far;
{Urist} conf-town
{} strong-town
{Elements, Loopdan, Skellen} null-town
{Munchmellow, muh316, Spiral, MissDeadbeat} null
{Thespio} null-scum
Couple things, why are all of your posts revolving around Thespio particularly?In post 112, PvtUrist wrote:My reads are lame so here's a few questions;
@Skellen ignoring the 2 inactive players, who do you feel to be the scummiest/towniest right now? How different do you feel with forum Mafia vs IRL?
@all reads on Thespio? Namely his page 2/3 fluff and #84 scum slip.
It would certainly be convenient if thelurking scumsinactive players decided to show up.
Then, you're calling Thespio scum while immediately contradicting that by pleading to the "inactive scum" to post. Effectively agreeing with your only scumread at this point? I'm not following, got my eyes on you.-
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On page 7 pvturist sticks out again, seems like the only content he's putting out is the occasional readslist and even those clash. The page + readslist seems more like an amalgamation of what other slots think is town or scum. For example loop and Skellen moving up to townreads with most of their posts being about their frustration with the game pace.In post 136, PvtUrist wrote:Read update;
{Urist} conf town
{Skellen, Loopdan} lean town
{Elements} null town
{Enter, MissDeadbeat, Munchmellow, muh316} null
{Thespio} null scum
Skellen; Loopdan explains how I feel about him/her well in 126
Loopdan; ISO reads town
Elements; felt town from first read, but I guess there wasn't as much content in his posts than I previously thought they did.
Enter; feeling null, interested in where he reads Loopdan as red.
MDb/Munch; would appreciate a few more posts from either of them.
muh316; null right now
Thespio;isn't talking about girls=scumsafely parks vote on inactive player rather than engaging with the more active players
Enter replacing in looks like it's going to be good, getting into his case I have some thoughts on it when I pick this back up but I like his reads on the interactions with Loop and Thespio. Minor things I want to pick at though.-
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Oh this is still going on. Well I'm still early into the argument. Enter why didn't Muh sheeping you so early set off any alarms? Quick thoughts I liked the Loop/Thespio angle but I like some of Thespio's posts dealing with enter specifically that I think leans more towards his town meta.
Enter you're conf biased like crazy. Having been on both ends of death tunnels it's a slippery slope right? Viewing the game through the lens that everything Loop does or says is scummy doesn't really help any other slot.
Magik what page did you replace in on?
Loop and Enter are never scum together. Muh and Loop could still be scum theater from what I've seen. At the very least there is 1 scum between the two I'll put money on it.-
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No...no he didn't. His vote was a result of your case and how aggressively you came into the game against Loop.In post 707, Enter wrote:muh didn't sheep me, he had his own reasons for voting.-
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So before this vote Muh's last bit of content regarding Loop was the "double bussing" comment in response to Thespio calling Skellen/Loop TvT.In post 158, muh316 wrote:
I don't see it as a scum slip. It just looks like you're reaching too hard on that one.In post 112, PvtUrist wrote:@all reads on Thespio? Namely his page 2/3 fluff and #84 scum slip.
I too find the sacrificial hero of the town story pretty annoying. But in my experience it's usually a town player that says it because if scum would say this and not follow through, that would be a clear scum-tell.In post 137, Munchmellow wrote:I think that town doesn't have to go there to be townie, so I kind of see scum-agenda in this. And what does that even mean - that he would selfhammer if he would be L-1 on deadline and no one else to hammer?
@Thespio, why haven't you removed your vote on MDB? That vote/pressure is not going anywhere.
Whenever a player replaces in, it's always bad news for scum because that player can approach the game from a different perspective than the current players. I think that we didn't really take a look at Loopdan because he was driving the game in the beginning. But Enter's recent analysis is pretty spot on.
VOTE: Loopdan
The bad news for scum line seems informed which is what made me think muh/Loop is still possible but not probable I guess looking at the current game state.
It's an opportunistic vote and from a scum perspective it's well timed. It's early in Enter vs Loop and isn't heated yet. But it only took 1 post to completely flip how the game shod be viewed in Muh's mind?
Now that I think about it that's more of a reason for this to just be Town!Enter. I believe there is 1 between Loop and Muh. Loop / Enter goes beyond scum theater and rarely ever would they be together. So if Muh is the scum here he's spewing Enter town with the pocket attempt (looks like it worked at any rate).-
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Are you maintaining this line of thought / scumread on Horse's slot? I could see this kind of read being relevant with a new player but not against the IC. Why would one off vote from Thespio be enough to convince Scum!Loop their partner is going down?In post 226, Enter wrote:7. MissDeadbeat/MagikHorse: Actually nothing this game. Loopdan was awful quick to get his vote off MissDeadbeat. This signals to me that she's the most likely here to be scum. In addition, he took full responsibility for his vote on her. My suspicion is that he saw Thespio vote her, thought to himself "Oh crap better bus her, it's maybe over for her" and then swapped to PvtUrist once he saw a way out.
It's flawed in context as well since most of the feedback was that Thespio was scummy for this policy vote. The wagon wasn't going to go anywhere. This is what I mean with the lens.
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Can I get a little bit about what you disliked in Loopdans responses? I see the case about AtE being thrown around in the more recent posts. Mostly used to scumread a slot but I would argue it's more commonly attributed to town frustration.In post 229, Skellen wrote:I agree that Loopdan/PvtUrist is not possible and no, I can definitely rule Loopdan out as townread at the moment as I am not fond of his behaviour after you started your attack. I am just not sure yet if he ends up as neutral or scum for me. Please wait a little bit for my read on Loopdan, I was orginally planning to wait for an improved defence of him, but since I am most likely not here tomorrow and I am getting frustrated with his stalling, which looks like playing on time until it hits one of the other two, I am rereading everything at the moment (including your guys exchange *shiver*).
I was going to comment that I saw Thespio threaten to self hammer somewhere and this is the same kind of case, emotions just run high.
Don't ever do this btw I 100% would have hammered Thespio if I was here from the start.-
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So another trend I'm noticing is the early agreeability with enters.... arrival. What I mean is that there was 0 resistance to Enters case and in fact every townread on Loop flipped to scum on him.
Which could be Enter being charismatic but I feel like there's more going on there. Probably low activity or new scum. Clashing with Enter here wod be attention scum doesn't want and in the case of a new slot rolling scum it is a lot easier for them to simply appease prominent voices in the town.
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I feel things like this are why Elements is a wagon right now...In post 751, Elements wrote:at the moment i so either you or me being lynched so here's me flipping in comparison:
I flip scum: Loop is town
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Ok so I'm on page 20, yes elements the IF I'm scum posts are still bad in any context. Loopdans question included. However I think he's town and I think it makes Thespio town if Loop is? Though I'm less sure on the Thespio part. This could change with the later posts and I would have to check back in with the latest vote counts but here goes.
I actually think Loopdans responses were reasonable, I don't know what the tone was when Enter joined the game but from his first few posts I assumed that read was going to persist and going forward all of his reads have revolved around the Loop scum angle.
Loop is correct in saying that Enters case was matter-of-fact from the start, I got the same. That's a pretty judgement and naturally you trust your judgement more than any other slot, understandable. However the later questions were indeed loaded or asked in a way that wasn't intended to sort, if that makes sense. Loop still obliged for the most part and honestly I don't blame him for trying to step back from it.
Now I'm phone posting so I probably won't go back to add quotes just yet. Around the 18-20 page mark Loop and Enter reignited their passionate...eh..quarrel? And Loop made some observations I agree with regarding the game state, specifically about scum involvement if Enter v Loop is TvT. This showed to me he is still trying to consider the game outside of himself and Enter. Also I would agree, at this point I townread both slots and the lack of slots attempting to pivot away from loop/enter points to inactive or uninvolved slots. Magik did try to get Enter to re evaluate which I really liked but no other slots outside of that stuck out to me.
Around this time I took notice of the wagons (Loop and Thespio) sitting at 4 and 3 votes respectively and then Loopdan voted Enter...Loopdan voted Enter. So this doesn't make sense to me as scum since Loop flipping red confirms Enter, scums play here has to be A.) To create wifom or B.) Setup a mislynch which he can't do voting Enter and the AtE doesn't do much in the way of wifom since it only centers on himself. Fmpov scum probably gets their partner onto the counterwagon there and lolhammers. The scum side of this is that if Loop is scum and his partner is already on Thespio's wagon then they won't be able to get the votes to lolhammer making Loops pool of possible partners (Elements, munch, pvturist). Fmpov only elements or munch but you get my point.
That's all the inactive slots, so even if you assume Scum!Loop is true his point about scum being in the inactive slots is true. All of the slots voting Thespio at this point.
This was a lot more to the point in my head but I post in a conscious stream as I'm thinking if that makes sense.
The Implications here are that regardless of Loops alignment there is 1 scum within elements or munch. I would throw Muh into that mix for independent reasons, I'm not sure if Muh/Elements or muh/Munch makes a lot of sense though. And if Loop is town I doubt Thespio is scum as the counterwagon with that line of thinking in mind.-
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I've narrowed down 1 scum between Elements/Munchmellow. I can also see muh as scum so the AND part is possible.In post 780, Loopdan wrote:
Here's a helpful synopsis of the game when you get caught up: Muh and/or Elements are scum.In post 776, RCEnigma wrote:From what I've read up to I think you're pretty off base and I still have 10 or so pages till I'm into the current game so I'd like to hold off on intent.-
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The experience argument isn't inherently true since it's only an indication of some experience. However they are bound to their role as a guide to new slots so I get why that line of thinking can come in. I generally make it a point to target the IC and sort that slot in the beginning of the game because in the newbie setting, what happens to the IC can be very telling and how slots interact with the IC can be very telling.
It's not the case now because the gamestate revolves around you and the IC.
I'll post my intent to hammer Elements by deadline however Enter, if you truly townread Elements I would like you to evaluate MunchMellow and Muh without the Loopdan Scum element.
Based on the voting patterns I've already pointed out there is 1 scum between Elements and MunchMellow. If you think Elements is town take that into consideration if you reread.-
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From what I've read Loopdan stops at multiple points to evaluate if your continued push comes from scum or town. But for the sake of argument let's say he didn't evaluate this on his own and only came to that conclusion because of Magik.
Is it then more likely a team of Magik/Loop openly discuss changing their tune on the slot pushing them the hardest? Keep in mind scum have daychat in this setup. I think if the goal is to appease you maybe but it doesn't look like either slot is pandering to you.
Especially in the case of Magik who has tried to get you back on the logical track as opposed to the emotional read being pressed.-
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Not really, there's actually a lot to unpack there and would probably take multiple posts to go through the scenarios. The overarching point is hesitation.In post 843, Enter wrote:@RCE would you agree that it seems strange for the loopdan wagon to survive for so long without being hammered if loopdan wasn't scum, regardless of constantly pressure to do so? Even if you put both scum players as having already been on the wagon, we've had more than 6 people vote him, so we've had enough for scum to hammer if it wasn't his buddy.
The way the game is now it's either you or loop. I would argue if Loop is town here Scum have taken your side in the argument so a townflip on Loop is more damning to them than it is to you. I say that because even what looks to be Dan's side (Magik....maybe skellen?) Have all townread you as well. So it wouldn't be hard to explain off if you end up being wrong.
So let's play devil's advocate: Loop is scum and the Lynch on him goes through flipping red. Enter is confirmed as town and likely the nightkill, I can't know what happens in the night but we'll say it's successful.
The logical thing is to then work through the nonvoters leaving a pool of muh, elements, munch as untouchable day 2 which is unfortunate as fmpov 1 of the 3 is scum regardless of Loops alignment with maybe Thespio as an outlier.-
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In post 848, Enter wrote:
I somehow missed this. This changes my reads a bit, I think, but not too much. I'll think about it over the game night. It does make it look extra strange loopdan perking up and trying again as soon as MDb got replaced.Keep in mind scum have daychat in this setup.
Again i wasn't looking at timestamps when reading through and I don't recall what slot you replaced but if this thinking can be applied to you replacing in as well since you know your alignment feel free to do so.-
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The start of Loops progression, showing he's evaluating possibilities.In post 384, Loopdan wrote:
I'm think there's a chance he is town-tunneling me, but I think there's a greater chance he's just scum. Enter has not shown equivocation or doubt or puzzlement about anything. That doesn't read as town.In post 368, Thespio wrote:
I dont understand, do you think he is town tunneling you? You are still my pick for today I just dont want anything to stop this clash, i want to see it to its end so D2 regardless of what happens I know what you both think. I do believe one of you is scum, i understand he did basically tunnel you, he did it even when confronting me. You arent out of the fire yet. But your survivalism does seem town now that you are actually trying.In post 366, Loopdan wrote:@Magik, you wanna see what too scummy to be scum looks like? The post below.
In post 365, Thespio wrote:UNVOTE: I want to see how Loopdan plays this out, i feel like however he flips Enter will be the opposite.
Here is where Loop comes around to his townread on enter. 460 is Magiks attempt to get Enter to back down and split his evaluations into Town!Loopdan and Scum!Loopdan. I didn't get the impression he was directing anything at Loopdan or telling him his read on Enter was wrong in any way.In post 461, Loopdan wrote:Yeah I've slowly come to the realization that Enter is likely town here. What Magik just said is pretty much reading my mind.-
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I disagree, just because most slots townread you doesn't eliminate the possibility that you're scum here and Loopdan was correct when he linked your hard tunnel strat.In post 856, Enter wrote:
I follow and agree. Which is a big reason that, if both are town, loop is a better flip.In post 854, RCEnigma wrote:Yes, conversely if Loop flips town voters are doing the buddying. Buddying you, get what I mean?
Also, Elements Lynch gives just as much information.
So from our perspective if Loop is lynched and flips red you are pretty much cleared but likely die in the night so there goes that advantage. I'd also argue that Muh could very much be partners with Loop based on early interactions and wagon interactions, loops pushes on Muh have never come to fruition so Scum!Loop could safely echo that as his preferred Lynch to distance. That still leaves too many slots unresolved.
Lynching Elements eliminates more scum possibilities imo: a red flip is ideal, in that case maybe Thespio dies, maybe enter, more likely someone on the wagon though, it's too much wifom to speculate. Elements flipping red semi clears loop as the counterwagon but it largely points to a low activity scumteam or at least a scumteam without a strong voice in the town. Munch, muh, skellen, Thespio, myself from other perspectives. I would even eliminate Munch from that pool as I don't think both Munch and Scum!Elements would vote together the way they have and not achieve a Lynch by this point.
On a green Elements flip MunchMellow is caught scum. The partner in that case is a bit more ambiguous but I feel like associations wouldn't be hard to piece together by the time Munch flips red.-
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I follow Magiks trajectory here and yes I see him asking Loop to evaluate why he believes what he's saying. +Town Magik.In post 858, Enter wrote:The series of posts where magik tells loop no that I was referencingIn post 284, MagikHorse wrote:I'm skeptical of something this old, especially since the whole point of that thread was to complain about a tactic that annoyed him. Can you find a game where he's done this strat himself to back this up in any way and prove that he would actually do something like this?
RE Muh: I'm sitting neutral on him right now. Despite the potential scumminess of his vote on you, I like that he immediately questioned Thespio for voting the lurkers in 101. In general a vote on a lurking slot isn't going to get you any information when you could be pressuring a more active slot to at least learn some things about them, and calling him out on that earns some town points from me to even the scales.In post 289, MagikHorse wrote:One game isn't enough for me to meta read someone on, and it was a replace-in quite a ways into the game too. The fight with NSG also seemed to consist of a whole lot of little posts, but nothing this big. A bunch of little posts sounds different to me than a few big ones, although I still agree that he's tunneled at least a little bit.
Either way that game feels radically different than what he's doing here, and this whole "He complained about something 3 years ago" thing doesn't really make me believe in it. This feels like a massive stretch to me to try and link these together in this manner.In post 301, MagikHorse wrote:
He said "trying to tunnel" in that other game, which implies that he's telling the truth that he never quite felt like he really got into a full-blown tunnel as he planned and hurts that as an inconsistency, unless I think he's lying when he's already been hammered and the game lost for some reason. By that point I don't have much reason to expect lies from him.In post 295, Loopdan wrote:@Magik - Don't forget that other post where he categorizes his own play as tunneling NSG was posted 10 days ago. This inconsistency on how he views his play here is more than a curiosity.
I don't really see any reason why this tunnel (which was admittedly pretty small when you started calling it that) couldn't come from Town and has to come from Scum specifically, and that's my big hangup right now. Why is this a scum tunnel and not a town tunnel besides your flimsy meta reasonings?
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Sure, what I'm getting at is that if Enter vs Loop is TvT then scum are egging it on. Since the side that is going to flip is always Loopdan, scum would be trying to get on Enters good side.In post 863, Munchmellow wrote:
Well, I don't follow. Can you dumb it down please (and I swear, I am actually not dumb )In post 856, Enter wrote:
I follow and agree. Which is a big reason that, if both are town, loop is a better flip.In post 854, RCEnigma wrote:Yes, conversely if Loop flips town voters are doing the buddying. Buddying you, get what I mean?-
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Possibly, if we both think the other is wrong we aren't going to reach an agreement. I think the amount of bussing that occurs in newbie games is actually pretty high, I've seen it a fair bit here. So for Loop to have gone for so long as the likely Lynch candidate without being hammered pings me a bit. It would be hard for his partner to hammer for the town credit. It buys them at least a day or two.In post 866, Enter wrote:I disagree. I'm stuck at my phone ATM, but I really think elements flip clears pretty much nothing for us. I honestly think it might be a difference in how we read people, then, but especially based on Loopdans interactions with other players and vise versa it gives me a lot to work with when casing someone the next day.
Elements ... I feel I have almost nothing. Going purely by votecount isn't going to get me very far, either.
Maybe it's just a olaystyle difference, but your post pinged me as straight wrong. I'll look at it more closely once I get to my computer-
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Due to my schedule I'll be up and about end of day so getting a Lynch before deadline won't be an issue.
Enter, Magik, loop would be my town circle with Thespio right outside of that and then maybe skellen though that's an early read and I haven't delved into her posts super deeply. Leaving munch and Muh in my scum pile.
I'll exclude Elements for now since it's an ambiguous claim that I think resolves tonight or tomorrow?-
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Yeah maybe we don't let Enter lead the Lynch today.
VOTE: MunchMellow
Munch is confirmed scum now that elements and Loop have both flipped town, I'll go back over why on one of my breaks when I've got a bit of time.
I'm actually really surprised no one else is questioning their read on Enter after those flips. I'm not sure what that means yet but I'll think on it a bit more.
It could be slots hoping to avoid confrontation which is NAI for everyone else and slightly +town for Enter but I'm not sure. Remind me to gather my thoughts on Enter avoidance after my munch case.-
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Not necessarily PoE, to quote FlavorLeaf... It's wagonomics. I'm not super sold on a world with Scum!Enter but it's something I'm keeping in mind. I recall reading Enter isn't new so with that in mind Newbie queue is one of the queues to go wild with different playstyles or strats so I can't throw out the idea of Scum!Enter completely.
I suspect Muh but based on the wagons and votes it confirms munch to me but not necessarily Muh. I'd have to go back through with associations in mind but I don't know off the top of my head who munch is with.-
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Fair enough, when I confirmed I just started with a post by post kind of thing like I started the game from the beginning but didn't check who I replaced.
I may have read the bad for scum line the wrong way but it seemed to me like he TMI'D you as town since you replacing in is only bad for scum if you aren't scum.
Also it's opportunistic to pile onto Loop only AFTER you started digging into him then justifying it by saying you were pointing out all the things he was thinking. You accused LoopDan of this same behavior regarding Magik and his townread on you evolving artificially. But it was only scummy when Loop did it but not Muh.
We got Munch as scum from so, unfortunate but net win.
I'm not sure about the last part, those reads didn't change, I don't really know what you are getting at.-
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This is obviously from my point of view but for context this is where Loop picked up steam and voters.In post 313, Nauci wrote:
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch or not lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-01-21 05:00:00).
So we have Loop at L-1 very much in danger of just being turbolynched at this point. Loop doesn't vote his counterwagon so that scum can't choose either or and they're pigeon holed.In post 354, Nauci wrote:
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch or not lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-01-21 05:00:00).
If Thespio is a scum counterwagon at this point his partner is absolutely Magik but I don't think scum fights both wagons at this point keeping in mind the gamestate.
Loops wagon stagnates suggesting two on or one on one off. Magik could hammer here so in the case of one off I think this points to Munch.
In the case of two on it would be more of a tossup and mostly assumptions.
This is the wagon that pedsisted for most of the day until Loop/Elements. But even those vcs are pretty similar and tell me the same thing.-
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So basically a Magik/Thespio have the power to end the day at that point in the game, which Enter has been calling for.
I found it pretty hard as I was reading through to imagine Enter/Thespio scum. Muh/enter could make sense or skellen/Thespio but I found it more likely that on was on and one was off Loops wagon. Magik had more wiggle room the either munch or Elements which was my Poe at the time but I think it kind of solidifies with Elements flipping as town.-
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Example of scumreading Loop for this line of thinking or townreading Muh for this line of thinking?In post 980, Enter wrote:
I need an example of this.In post 979, RCEnigma wrote:Also it's opportunistic to pile onto Loop only AFTER you started digging into him then justifying it by saying you were pointing out all the things he was thinking. You accused LoopDan of this same behavior regarding Magik and his townread on you evolving artificially. But it was only scummy when Loop did it but not Muh.-
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I think people have the misconception that anything scummy they do gets them lynched when I would argue that it benefits town more to have elongated days than scum. That and yes scum!You could have used Enter calling for end of day as your defense.In post 995, MagikHorse wrote:
Calling myself out a bit here, but wouldn't it be a reasonable play then to elongate the day to look more town, or do you think a scum!me and scum!Thespio just ends it there early anyways because Enter is crying for an immediate lynch?In post 993, RCEnigma wrote:So basically a Magik/Thespio have the power to end the day at that point in the game, which Enter has been calling for.
What exactly do you mean by "I had more wiggle room"? More wiggle room to do what exactly?In post 993, RCEnigma wrote:Magik had more wiggle room the either munch or Elements which was my Poe at the time but I think it kind of solidifies with Elements flipping as town.
That contradicts my answer to the next question though. I feel as the day progresses you had more townie moments that were picked up by multiple slots than either munch or Muh which for the most part only had Enter shielding them because Loop was scum no matter what so any push Loop made had to be against town right?-
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I'll go over the final wagons a bit later, skellen do your questions still stand?
@Magik it's more or less wifom but I feel the gamestate allowed for the hammer to be allowable if that makes sense. It probably would have been a viable play and as scum I probably would have pushed for it if enter is in fact town.-
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I can agree with that. Another thing, I don't really think Magik tried to get Loop on his side to push lynches. Not that he was leading any pushes so maybe it would just be under-utilization of a pocket? Though I think Magik is pretty capable and could have used it to manipulate Loop if a pocket was his goal.
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