Newbie 1914 | Stuff I Found Online Viii | Over

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf's IC Post

Hello, everybody!

Flavor Leaf

(or if you know me by my main account,

Boonskiies

), been here since 2014, and I will be your

IC

for this game.

IC

stands for "

Inexperienced Challenged

". What this means is, as the

IC

, along with playing the game, I have the additional job of answering any questions that you may have about the game, basic mafia game theory and mechanics, or anything specific to the MafiaScum site itself, for those of you who are already familiar with the game of Mafia.

This being said, you should not allow your read on me to be influenced by anything I say as

IC

in response to questions or advice. Roles and alignments are randomly assigned; this means I have just as much a chance of being scum as any of you guys, and I will be playing towards my wincon, whether it be scum or town.

I will never use my position as

IC

to decieve you, and I will try my best to dissociate when I'm speaking as an

IC

, and when I'm speaking as a player.

Alongside myself as the

IC

, we have a few

SE

(

Semi-Experienced

) players. An

SE

is not a teaching role, but more of a showcase role. The goal of all established players is to set a good example in Newbie games to help properly integrate newer players.

A Quick Few Tidbits:

• Don't be afraid to ask questions. I'll happily answer to the best of my ability.
• Be active! A lively game is better than a ghost town of a game. Post as much as you can and interact with your fellow players.
• Occasionally, mafia can be a bit heated, and you may feel a bit attacked sometimes. It's a natural part of the game, but try and confine your comments to a person's play rather than the person themself. Being scum read can seem like an insult, but everyone eventually rolls scum. It's nothing to be ashamed of! Don't look at it as a "Good vs Bad" scenario. Try working with the other players to help them see things from your perspective rather than stating they are wrong.
• Don't let a mistake or a mislynch bring you down. It happens a lot. Don't be afraid to really push for your reads, and don't feel bad if it turns out you were wrong. Even the most advanced players aren't always right! It's the nature of the game.


Here are some key concepts that will help you better understand the site meta:

Spoiler:

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games here on MafiaScum almost always begin with what's called the Random Voting Stage (RVS). Beginning of the game, players have extremely low information (besides the mafia team who already know everyone's alignments). At this time, players generally will vote for non-serious reasons to provoke reactions from other players. Eventually the discussion will progress, and the game will get moving out of the RVS Stage.

Voting, L-1, and Hammers

Typically, L-x is how we convey how close to a lynch a player is, with x being the amount of votes needed to successfully lynch a player. You should generally always announce that you are putting someone at L-1, 1 vote away from a lynch, so that someone can't come in and accidentally vote and lynch a player before the playerbase is ready to move on to the next day. This also prevents any Mafia-aligned players from ending the day on their terms by placing the final vote to lynch ("hammer") and then brushing it away like they didn't know it was L-1. Generally, you will also see people post L-2 or L-3 (2 and 3 votes away from lynch).

Before you hammer the player, it is customary that you give an "Intent to hammer" post, so that the player can then claim their role. It is usually best to allow
other players time to react and respond to the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

Unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim because of an intent to hammer, it is almost never a good idea to claim your role. If you are a Town Power Role (PR), you are then likely to be killed by Mafia in the night, or Night Killed (NK'ed). If you are a Vanilla Townie (VT), you may think that claiming might not matter too much, but by doing so, you will be narrowing down the field of who a potential PR might be.

There are exceptions to this rule. For instance, if a Mafia-aligned player has just claimed your role, or your role directly counters the Mafia player's, claiming early to counterclaim (CC) would directly out the Mafia player as Mafia, and the town would benefit.

LyLo

LyLo is the abbreviation of “lynch or lose.” LyLo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia;
or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. In these situations the town aligned players should not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can instantly provide the necessary votes to lynch (“quickhammer”) and win the game without the town being able to fight back. MyLo, however, stands for "Mislynch and Lose", meaning the game will end on a mislynch, but not if you choose to "No Lynch". This generally can be helpful when there are an even amount of players left in the game, and you want to narrow down the pool with some night actions.

Thanks for joining this game. I hope we all have a great time.


Here are some links you may want to look at before playing.

Spoiler:

A Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia
Commonly Used Abbreviations
Glossary

edited to remove a previous mod's editing comment that was mistakenly copied into this one. --P

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn I like Overkill already, on the other hand no joke from FL........+1 town equity I think?

Oh, is that a tell of mine or something? Haha

[Flavor Leaf]

I know you aren't SK at least lol.

I would have claimed it. You’re right.

I can’t believe I claimed it as the very first post and won it like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, guys. I’ve been busy. I have the next few days available, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll try to help get this game going when i wake up, but I had an overnighted at work, so time for sleep.

[Flavor Leaf]

Early town read on the Snow

[Flavor Leaf]

Early town read on the leaf.

If you’re trying to pocket me...this is definitely on the right path.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pocketing is when scum try to make friends with townie to get them to town read them.

I think it’s too early to tell if he is trying to pocket me.

I thought he looked townie so far, so I brought it up.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would agree that I’m getting early town vibes from YellowSnow. But your comment about pocketing has me a little suspicious of you to start off.

Fair. Nice anti pocket. I don’t know if that’s a thing or what it means, but nice trying it!!!

Nothing else to go on really, so I brought up a pocket comment.

[Flavor Leaf]

But it does seem a little forced, like you’re looking for something to find suspicious.

[Flavor Leaf]

What is a reverse omgus?

OMGUT.

Oh my god, ur town!

OMGUS is oh my god, you(re) suck(scum)!!

Basically happens when someone votes a person for being voted/scum read by another person, so reverse I imagine was town reading for being town read.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I did a teaching moment and said I used that as a conversation starter, I apologize. I think that’s just me moreso than as an IC. I have a tendency to do that with terms I use in regular games.

Fair point that it can be seen as a scum move, I guess.

I’ll try to differentiate more when I’m talking as an IC.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we all agree to stop being so agreeable? I'm going to start thinking everyone's scummy.

I agree
Also I did the thing where I forget FM exists again.

How do you do that?

Most of the time, I click my phone on and just accidentally come online like a social media site.

Must be nice not having it engrained.

[Flavor Leaf]

Early town read on the leaf.

If you’re trying to pocket me...this is definitely on the right path.

Well you stated your townread on him first, so why can't it be you who's pocketing him?

From my perspective, that’s never the case, though. Sure, others can think that, but that’s not for me to say.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was playing a game of Avalon/Resistance once, and someone made the joke of “if you’re scum, stand up.” And the exact same time, all 3 of the scum team, including me, stood up immediately as a joke. However, in Avalon, there is a Merlin, who knows the entire scum team, and town lose if scum guess who the Merlin is correctly at the end of the game. The Merlin couldn’t hold it together and laughed uncontrollably.

So it is telling sometimes if people say yes the the “are you scum” question.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk. I did just finish a game where I was SK, and I claimed SK in the first post, and won.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s just WIFOM; can be argued either way with no real way of knowing what’s true.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk. I did just finish a game where I was SK, and I claimed SK in the first post, and won.

Yeah, you touched on that earlier in the thread, I noticed.

Was it that Overkill 2 game?

Yeah. Then why did you feel the need to bring up the comment of scum and why would they say they are scum?

It happens.

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, RCE really just messed with me.

I do lurk out Day 1 if not forced to come into the conversation.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just don’t like pushing NAI things and a lot of Day 1 stuff is NAI until it isn’t, generally because it’s NAI until you combine it with other things that happen later in the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I didn’t have a gut read, I generally thought he was coming off as townie, and still nothing has come up for me that would make me think otherwise.

I like to think about agendas, and the fact scum like to come off as townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Investigation on the mumble slot could be solid tbh....

[Flavor Leaf]

What the heck. I posted in the wrong game. Lol disregard that post

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm curious about why people aren't voting- I get it's early but doesn't that help to move the game on and generate information? Which may only become significant later but still.

I'm not seeing anything to shift my read on Roo, but I found birdy's reasoning (feathery namesake aside) for their vote convincing and am going back to initial scummy read on GrandWazoo.

I tend not to vote much early in newbies. I like to think scum has to play around me, and I like to be a little mysterious with my thoughts until it’s time for me to pounce.

Nothing has been pounce worthy for me yet

[Flavor Leaf]

So you're taking advantage of your IC position?

What does that have anything to do with being an IC? This wasn’t even a newbie specific thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

So you're taking advantage of your IC position?

The tending not to vote early is a newbie specific thing because of a smaller player amount. The bigger games I’ll go Willy nilly with my vote early, but even then it’s not like I don’t keep my vote on the not voting side of things.

Haven’t you played with me as IC before?

[Flavor Leaf]

If you're trying "to be mysterious" that is kind of difficult when you are IC. IC's are supposed to be more engaging regardless of alignment.

You realize I am tied for the most posts in this game?

[Flavor Leaf]

You're the one that said you were trying to be mysterious.

Mysterious doesn’t necessarily mean not engaging.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been very open that I don’t really have strong reads, nowhere to pounce yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

mysterious - adj. - difficult or impossible to understand, explain, or identify:

understanding and engaging are kind of synonymous in my book.

There’s nothing to understand about me yet. I’ve been engaging. I don’t feel the need to comment on everything, especially after stating I hadn’t found anything of note really to pounce on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is this the thing you decided to get hung up on?

[Flavor Leaf]

Just trying to not be mysterious, you know...

I’m fake mysterious. It’s almost jokey.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, guys!! I went on some work trip, and wasn’t able to be around much!

I’m gonna do a reread when I can.

Day 2 if I’m still here, I’ll try to be poppin

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m willing to hammer to stop from lynch.

I think I’d prefer Roo to Egix.

I’m aware there’s only a little more than four hours?

I’ll make the decision in 3, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

It is. Feel free to claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

If there is a Neapolitan or a tracker, then you would know that Roo is confscum trying to get of a lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m here and can help change the wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not if we go to Egix. Just needs me and one other.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mixed Egix with GrandWazoo. We can make either happen

VOTE: Egix

I like this more than GrandWazoo.

[Flavor Leaf]

We have an hour. I don’t think we can get anyone else besides Egix unless we all go GrandWazoo, but even that in itself would be a compromise lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

wait there isnt plurity?

Nope, not in this queue. Generally most games on this site are run by majority, and occasionally there will be a game that plays on plurality. A No Lynch happens at deadline.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I played the way I played because I was trying to avoid a night kill.

Me going on Egix probably locked me as town, though, so I thought there was a good chance I’d die.

This was the first time I’ve rolled anything other than VT in a newbie as IC, and I’ve IC’d well over 10+ games the past year alone