Newbie 1919 | Stuff I Found Online Ix | Over

[MaryJoLisa]

Thanks for getting this all set up, Plotinus.

Now it's bedtime for me.

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah, me too. It takes us two days to get to day one, day one starts on a Monday morning, and day one could last 10 days.

We'll need some more coffee.

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: cowboy

Any reasoning here? Just RV? Or is Cowboy's avatar that offending?

Cowboy's avatar appears to be an *animated gif.* They are of the devil.

[MaryJoLisa]

Cowboy's avatar appears to be an *animated gif.* They are of the devil.

Yeah, you're next on my hit list.

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh, PvTUrist, i was totally kidding about the animated GIF avatar. It's listed in the rules and I was giving you a hard time, but I don't personally care about animated gifs.

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: cowboy

Any reasoning here? Just RV? Or is Cowboy's avatar that offending?

Lol I hope my avatar isn’t offensive to anyone. I’ll change it if it is but I just based it off my username which references the Pepsi/bepis meme. I prefer coke myself.

VOTE: MaryJoLisa

I think Robbnva's avatar might be of a spider crawling out of someone's asscrack. Or armpit. Could be an armpit.

Neither is avatar offensive.

I'm not going to put a lot of energy into scum hunting until we've got a full house, which sounds like it might not be until Wednesday or later, provided we don't need further slot replacements. I'm going to try to learn from the last game I played and reserve judgement until we've got all players on board. I'll be active and posting, I just won't be voting until everyone is playing the game. Unless someone's like, 'omg! i'm vanilla town this game! Yippie!". Then i'm voting.

[MaryJoLisa]

*Neither avatar is offensive.

[MaryJoLisa]

I think Robbnva's avatar might be of a spider crawling out of someone's asscrack. Or armpit. Could be an armpit.

Asscrack would actually be hilarious. It’s back shoulder

Ok, I see it now! Yeah, that makes more sense.

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: screamingnoodle

these Newbie games are getting too easy
not an RVS vote

If they're too easy for you why are you playing them?

[MaryJoLisa]

Ah.

[MaryJoLisa]

TemporalLich's Readlist

[Town]

MaryJoLisa

Screamingnoodle

cowboybepis

PvtUrist

TTTT

[Scum]

Rest are neutral with nothing on either side.

TTTT's entry was... deliberate sheeping and hard defending what would be a soft townread at most. Not a good start.

Your reads list match the page topper so nicely. pretty.

[MaryJoLisa]

Ltzhong¹ and Pickles¹ haven't posted in the 36 hours since the game started. They have been prodded. Pickles has (expired on 2019-02-27 20:55:00) to post before I start looking for a replacement. Ltzhong has not yet opened their role PM. They have another (expired on 2019-02-27 08:25:00) to confirm before I start looking for a replacement.

So from the time of this post, we still have a minimum of 22 hours (we'll say 1 day) before it can even be determined if we've got all the slots full. Then if you need to find us a replacement, that person gets time to respond to their confirmation PM, right?

So we're still potentially still days away from having all players on board, right?

[MaryJoLisa]

Now that the game has 3 pages, I can no longer just grab whoever is at top of the queue (who may well have forgotten that mafia scum exists by now, if they've been waiting a while) and send them a role PM. Instead, I will ask people to PM me if they want to replace in, and then I don't announce them until they've confirmed. So I expect us to be full in a day or two at the most. Early game replacements is part of why the first day phase is longer than subsequent day phases, though.

Ok, thank you for the explanation. I'll continue to wait.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MaryJo
I thought we were BFFs
why aren't you helping me lynch scum?

We are still BFFs, whether you rolled scum this game or not.

I was engaged in some nice two-way tunnelling action in our last game before all the scum even showed up. I'm electing not to overly engage until all players have begun. It'll make it hard for me to shift puzzle pieces around if I've cemented in my mind who people are before I've even had the chance to evaluate them in context.

[MaryJoLisa]

Hello MagikHorse. Thank you for replacing in.

[MaryJoLisa]

Hey everybody!
Didn't realize this started yet.
I've gotta catch up but that shouldn't be hard.
I'll post thoughts/reads as soon as I finish.
Might do a round of RQS instead of RVS.

Good to see you. I haven't been very active so far because we were missing/replacing 3 players. RQS is random question stage?

I'll start: Did you roll scum this game?

[MaryJoLisa]

1. How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
2. What are your thoughts on No Lynch Day One?
3. Should there be any hypos to protect possible TI?
4. If you've played before, favorite role/alignment?

1. How much experience do you have playing Mafia?

I have played a handful of forum based mafia games.

2. What are your thoughts on No Lynch Day One?

I am opposed to No Lynch Day One because town does not gain any information from a no-vote.

3. Should there be any hypos to protect possible TI?

I love hippos and I think they should be protected. It might actually be appropriate to expand conservation programs to protect hippos and their environment. I also love calculators. My TI-89 is fabulous. (I have no idea what hypos or TI's are in relation to Mafia.)

4. If you've played before, favorite role/alignment?

My favorite role is vanilla town. Each time I roll it, I'm like, "Yesssssssss!"

[MaryJoLisa]

volxen¹ replaces Ltzhong! Please welcome them! We're full now.

Time to play the game!

Nap first though.

[MaryJoLisa]

3. Should there be any hypos to protect possible TI?

I love hippos and I think they should be protected. It might actually be appropriate to expand conservation programs to protect hippos and their environment. I also love calculators. My TI-89 is fabulous. (I have no idea what hypos or TI's are in relation to Mafia.)

Okay, I read back. I know what these things are now. No, I disagree with this because I've learned it can cause confusion.

[MaryJoLisa]

TTTT is on my scum list for the moment (we’re totally still BFF’s, TTTT. Don’t worry about it.) I did not like that he came to a Newbie game talking smack about newbie moves, declaring who scum was without really laying down a case. I really want to believe that with ~50 games completed, TTTT would be wise enough not to post that as scum.

And to his credit, he was spot on early in the game in the last two newbie games that I played in or observed, so there’s that.

TTTT is the only lead I've got right now, and it's not a strong one.

In post 41*, TemporalLich picked right up on something that I also noticed. TTTT and PvtUrist had a kind of buddying thing going on that @Screamingnoodle does not hit the scumdar in her own right, but when evaluated alongside TTTT, I can see some potential distancing and coordination here. I’ll keep an eye on it.

I don’t get scum reads off anyone else, but I’m keeping a very open mind, and right now TTTT is the fulcrum for my scummyish reads in PvtUrist and Screamingnoodle. If the case on TTTT fizzles out, my argument on PvtUrist and Screaming fizzles out along with it.

Town: Cowboybepis
Town: TemporalLich (but I’m going to analyze other people’s scum reads).
Provisional Town: MagikHorse
Provisional Town: Pickles
Provisional Town: volxen
Meh Scum: Screamingnoodle
Meh Scum: PvtUrist
Meh Scum: TTTT


*I don't think I'm doing linked posts correctly.

[MaryJoLisa]

*I don't think I'm doing linked posts correctly.

You can do linked posts like this:

Code: Select all

[post]41[/post]

To get 41

Yeah, i've been way overcomplicating that. Your way is much easier. Thank you.

[MaryJoLisa]

MaryJo can you explain your SR on me in 111 a little more
you say I'm scummy for jumping in early saying I've caught scum
yet you say I was spot on with my early reads in the two games you've seen me play

Yeah, it's contradictory. I really wasn't putting much thought into the game until we had all the players, so I'm just reporting on my initial feels.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MJ
that's just an excuse
you are drawing on what you know from prior games and making associatives reads
it's more than just feels
you efforted that post

I did effort that post! But it's still just feels. I'll post more, but I still have to comb through it all.

And we are still missing one player.

[MaryJoLisa]

Still going through it. I said that I'd give other people's scum reads on Temporal consideration.

[MaryJoLisa]

@TTTT what's your read on Pickles?

[MaryJoLisa]

@TTTT Why did you initially vote for Screamingnoodle in 32 without providing cause. What about her vote struck you as anything other than rvs?

[MaryJoLisa]

TemporalLich is at L-1, no one else vote for him.

Okay. When you're ready, if it comes down to my vote, I'll PM the @mod to check if the vote is okay.

Otherwise, you can pull your vote off, let me add mine, and *you* control the hammer.

[MaryJoLisa]

@volxen, is the account you're on known to be an alt account?

Roughly how many games have you played in total?

[MaryJoLisa]

TemporalLich is at L-1, no one else vote for him.

Okay. When you're ready, if it comes down to my vote, I'll PM the @mod to check if the vote is okay.

Otherwise, you can pull your vote off, let me add mine, and *you* control the hammer.

What exactly do you mean by PMing the mod to check if the vote is "okay"? He's at L-1, so one more vote placed by anybody would lead to him being hammered and lynched. That's why I pointed out the fact that he is at L-1, so no one would come in and lolhammer him.

I suppose I could unvote and let you take my place as the L-1 voter on his wagon, but why do you prefer for me to control the hammer?

Players lost their shit the last time I hammered a vote in.

[MaryJoLisa]

TemporalLich is at L-1, no one else vote for him.

Okay. When you're ready, if it comes down to my vote, I'll PM the @mod to check if the vote is okay.

Otherwise, you can pull your vote off, let me add mine, and *you* control the hammer.

What exactly do you mean by PMing the mod to check if the vote is "okay"? He's at L-1, so one more vote placed by anybody would lead to him being hammered and lynched. That's why I pointed out the fact that he is at L-1, so no one would come in and lolhammer him.

I suppose I could unvote and let you take my place as the L-1 voter on his wagon, but why do you prefer for me to control the hammer?

Players lost their shit the last time I hammered a vote in.

I looked at your profile and noticed that you only have one completed game on this site, which is Newbie 1915 (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78626). I haven't read through that game, but I briefly looked through the mod's ISO to see the vote counts, and I also skimmed through a few of your posts, and you placed the hammer vote on both day 1 and day 2 in that game. Did you give "intent to hammer" before placing the hammer vote? Intent to hammer is where you give clear notice to everyone in the game that you intend to hammer player X well before you actually place the hammer vote. For example, you might give intent to hammer 24 hours before you actually place the hammer vote, so everyone knows what to expect. This also gives the person that you are about to hammer a chance to respond. For example, if they are actually a town power role, this would give them a chance to make a full roleclaim before you hammer them. As long as you do that, no one should give you flak for placing the hammer vote. If you just come out of nowhere and hammer someone without any previous warning, that is referred to as quickhammering or lolhammering (see: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Quickhammer), and you will definitely catch flak for that, and people even get lynched for pulling a move like that in some cases.

In short, you can make this a non-issue by always giving intent to hammer before you actually hammer someone.

The record is there for you to explore.

I prefer not to get people's panties all tied up in knots like that again.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MaryJo
you've been putting off posting serious reads until everyone is here
it's time now

I'll have it up by tomorrow.

[MaryJoLisa]

what makes you think she wouldn't follow through?

177 makes me feel like she is noncommital with her wanting to hammer me.

I won't even state my intent to hammer because I'm not sure if another person can piggy-back on that and hammer a vote in based on my stated intent. I haven't decided whether to vote for you or not. When I decide, I will PM the mod to make sure I've dotted all my i's and crossed all my t's.

Having reread the thread, I can follow the argument in the case against you, but you weren't my immediate, knee-jerk reaction for scum. I'll post my reads up tomorrow.

[MaryJoLisa]

Thank you for explaining that to me.

[MaryJoLisa]

It's funny thinking about just how much Avatars play into reads in games

How do avatars play into reads? I think I missed something.

[MaryJoLisa]

Volxen:

My strongest town read right now. He’s come in, sorted people out, and he seems to be putting thought into asking questions that advance town’s objective.

MagikHorse

: Reading town for me. I think there’s some tunneling going on between with TemporalLich, but whether that’s town on town or scum on town I’m not sure. I actually lean town on town.

Screamingnoodle

: Her entry in posts 11 and 15 struck me as just casual greetings. TTTT referenced her Town game in 1917, perhaps because she was a little slower to say hello, but the conditions have since changed.

- 1917 was Screaming’s first game and she was out of her element here. She was slow to open up because she was new here.
- I participated in the 1917’s dead thread and Screaming and I PMed a bit after the game, before we were assigned to this game.
- Screaming enters this game with at least 2 familiar faces, so her readiness to greet people can easily be explained by having made some connections.

Screaming’s entry is therefore NAI to me. Subsequent posts lean town.

Cowboybepis:

Not active enough to get a decent read on. Null.

Pickles:

Slight scum read for me. E’s opening post is one of info collection, but e doesn’t offer info in return and e says e wants to to review the past content for AI posts, but that never happens. Basically, there’s limited interaction and what I do see leans scummy rather than townie.

TemporalLich:

I’m still getting a town read of TL here. I can see some scummy posts in there. post 107 was very scummy with that role fishing effort. I have difficulty looking past that. I’m also having some trouble looking past the efforts to appear like experienced town. That’s really what looks forced. So while I’m getting a town read, I can’t clear TL as confirmed town, and I’m receptive to lynching him to clear out the doubt.

PvtUrist:

He hits the scumdar even after sitting on it for a few days. He starts off accusing screamingnoodle of being scum based on what I read as a friendly, lighthearted opening post. He then answers a question that I asked TTTT, which I interpreted as a kind of covering for TTTT.

TTTT:

I still don’t like the over-confidence in post 32. If he can afford to be that confident, then newbie games aren’t his thing because it wasn’t an instructive post. From my POV, he’s using charisma to make me think that he knows what he’s talking about. He also buddied up to PvtUrist in 34 and as I pointed above, PvtUrist explained something on TTTT's behalf. I don’t see Screaming’s opening post as AI, so without a concrete explanation, this looks like two scum buddies trying to establish the tone in the game. In 124, TTTT points out to me that I’m drawing from prior games to make associative reads against him, but that’s exactly what he’s doing to Screaming, as he explains in post 214.

TLDR

Town: Volxen
Town: MagikHorse
Town: Screamingnoodle
Provisional Town: Cowboybepis
Very Meh Scum: Pickles
Meh Scum: TemporalLich
Scum: PvtUrist
Scum: TTTT

[MaryJoLisa]

I don't want either of the two players above me to have control over this hammer

Just as well. I have more or less relinquished control of the hammer.

[MaryJoLisa]

we really should just lynch Temp after that VT claim
but MaryJo/Noodle looks very possible here

I can see that from your POV if you're town.

[MaryJoLisa]

Subsequent posts lean town.

which posts and why do they lean town?

which posts and why do they lean town?
Seconding this question. I'm not really seeing it right now.

Also Istill don't like that people are still trying to push a TTTT/Urist interactions read when neither side has flipped. Flip a scum first, then find their buddy with interactions once its confirmed info.

Hmmm. I concede that they're not pro-town as much as they're just pro-friendly.

[MaryJoLisa]

MJ posted her reads on time... yay. If MagikHorse "tunneling" me is SvT then I'll be shocked. I don't really disagree with her reads.

you seemed a lot more comfortable and unforced in that other game

Thanks for finally explaining your meta read.

in my last two newbie games I've caught newbscum based on their initial posts
in 1915 it was NotMySpamAccount
in 1917 it was chennisden
sorry not trying to sound arrogant
bc I've played plenty of games where my reads sucked
but that's were I'm coming from

In post 32 you sound like Newbie games aren't even fun for you. I mean I don't discount the possibility of Screaming being lolscum, but I'd prefer the sights to be on actual scummy people (which is solely PvtUrist for now).

we really should just lynch Temp after that VT claim
but MaryJo/Noodle looks very possible here

What an unusual scumteam... it works?! What the absolute hell? Now I know why you don't want them hammering me. However, I still want to see a vote from MJ before declaring her possible lolscum.

No, you can say I'm scum or you can say Screaming is scum, but a partnership between the two of us just doesn't make sense. I thought about it after TTTT suggested it.

If I was scum, I'd have hammered the vote in on you last night when I had the chance (provided that I knew you to be town). I didn't *want* to hammer it, but I was aware that I could have taken care of business with you any time I wanted. You actually tried taunting me into doing it.

Frankly a scum team between you and me makes more sense than it does between me and Screaming.

[MaryJoLisa]

In 124, TTTT points out to me that I’m drawing from prior games to make associative reads against him, but that’s exactly what he’s doing to Screaming, as he explains in post 214

for the record...
I wasn't criticizing you for making associative reads
124 was a reply to 122
I was saying I don't buy 122 where you claim you are "just reporting on my initial feels" because you were efforting in (111) and I used your associative tells as an example of that effort

I don't think I said criticizing. Or at least I didn't mean to. I had that word in the original draft, but I realized that what you were doing was in fact not criticizing, so if I left you with that impression, then I apologize.

[MaryJoLisa]

If I was scum, I'd have hammered the vote in on you last night when I had the chance (provided that I knew you to be town). I didn't *want* to hammer it, but I was aware that I could have taken care of business with you any time I wanted. You actually tried taunting me into doing it.

I highly doubt you would have lolhammered me, and the "taunting" as you put it is me wanting you to stop being noncommittal and follow up with reads or vote. You indeed followed up with reads. [/quote]

I totally would have! The only thing preventing me was possible butthurt if not from you, then from others. I'm trying to play nice and in accordance with forum custom.

oh yeah, if left to my own devices, you'd have been gone. I would have double checked this before doing so, but I think you had notice 24 hours in advance, I think you logged in and interacted, I think you actually claimed VT (but I'd need to double check), and I think you acknowledged that defacto intent to hammer was given.

[MaryJoLisa]

@TemporalLich, what forum do people flip blue on?

[MaryJoLisa]

No, you can say I'm scum or you can say Screaming is scum, but a partnership between the two of us just doesn't make sense. I thought about it after TTTT suggested it.

Frankly a scum team between you and me makes more sense than it does between me and Screaming.

What exactly rules out a you/Screaming scumteam, because I don't see it.

I'd have hammered the vote on TemporalLich when I had the chance, securing a solid town lynch that had plenty of town support. Screaming and I were not under any suspicion of being a team, so there'd be no reason for us to go into day 2 with any perceived alliances. If she was my partner, I'd have ended this day phase yesterday.

[MaryJoLisa]

I totally would have! The only thing preventing me was possible butthurt if not from you, then from others. I'm trying to play nice and in accordance with forum custom.

oh yeah, if left to my own devices, you'd have been gone. I would have double checked this before doing so, but I think you had notice 24 hours in advance, I think you logged in and interacted, I think you actually claimed VT (but I'd need to double check), and I think you acknowledged that defacto intent to hammer was given.

I wasn't clear on the post above. The reason I didn't double check all of this and hammer the vote was because I hadn't yet decided that TemporalLich was scum. I couldn't justify the vote to myself, but if I could have, then I'd have had no problem seeing to it getting done.

[MaryJoLisa]

@TemporalLich, what forum do people flip blue on?

EpicMafia?

Is that your final answer?

[MaryJoLisa]

I'd have hammered the vote on TemporalLich when I had the chance, securing a solid town lynch that had plenty of town support. Screaming and I were not under any suspicion of being a team, so there'd be no reason for us to go into day 2 with any perceived alliances. If she was my partner, I'd have ended this day phase yesterday.

Maybe so, but you'd be questioned heavily on Day 2 for ending the day with 6 days remaining on the clock, and there'd still be suspicion on Screaming. That's pretty sub-par in the long run even with no direct ties between you two.

Not really gonna worry too much about finding partners or teams until we get a red flip though, and I suggest you do the same.

The job would have gotten done none-the-less.

[MaryJoLisa]

@Mary assume we're in lylo and you're a 2-shot vig, from 1 to 10, how confident are you in the 2 shots to hit scum and win the game?

I am not very confident even with two shots. If I had been confident about TemporalLich, I'd have run it past the mod to make sure the vote was up to snuff, and I've have cast a vote. *I* would not consider it to be bad playmanship to cast a vote on someone who daring me to do it. I'd not have considered it to be any kind of bad form to cast a vote when the player had been at L-1 for 24 hours and had interacted and made their case. I don't care that we're on day 4 of 10. If I was confident, then I would have moved to take some kind of action.

I never even PMed the mod because I wasn't confident in that vote.

[MaryJoLisa]

I don't get why you want to PM the mod before hammering. Why is that is a necessary step for you?

If you're not confident in the Temporal wagon, then surely something is giving you a reason to second-guess it. Any clue what?

People on this forum apparently take their hammer voting very seriously!

[MaryJoLisa]

I will have you do the honors once a formal VC comes out. Or when I have time to go back and count up the votes. Thank you.

[MaryJoLisa]

I want to hear from Screamingnoodle and Pickles first if I can. TTTT is right. Let's hear from some other people.

[MaryJoLisa]

Hammers matter. In this case, it'd give me insight as to why you're seemingly so afraid of hammering him, or alternatively yield something I missed that you might see pointing towards a town!Temporal. It's a win-win either way it goes.

The former I just find weird. I don't think I've ever encountered someone who had to ask the Mod if they could hammer. I'm pretty sure they couldn't tell you whether it was a good idea or not since that'd be helping out a specific player, so at most they can confirm that it is indeed a hammer vote which seems redundant if you're paying attention.

Mafia Scum's culture is counter-intuitive to me. Sorry. It just is.

I'll hammer that vote on someone's insistence or not hammer because they insisted that I shouldn't, then they'll lose their shit for me for doing what they told me to do. So yeah. I'll pass on that.

You can all wait until I'm ready.

[MaryJoLisa]

Don't get me wrong, not hammering is definitely the right choice here so I'm not yelling at you for that. You just have this odd paranoia about not being the hammer vote, and I don't understand it at all.

MaryJo's first game involved a fakehammer (by another player) and a quick-hammer (by MaryJo)
and MaryJo felt like the IC in that game misled her about site meta around hammers
because he hadn't called out the fake hammer as bad, but did call out her quick-hammer as bad
she thought if nobody had a problem with the fake-hammer, there's no prob with the quick
it was a big discussion post-game
it was never resolved to her satisfaction
she's paranoid about upsetting end-of-day protocol and doesn't think she can trust anyone but the mod

MJ is that a fair summary?

It was resolved to my satisfaction otherwise I wouldn't be here. But yes, that's a very fair summary.

I'd rather learn this process through observation, but if if it comes down to me to act, I'll get the rules and policies from the mod regarding the actual situation on hand.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MaryJoLisa, does the distinction between fakehammer vs quickhammer make sense now? Do you see why a fakehammer is a positive thing, whereas a quickhammer is a negative thing?

I can 100% assure you that no one who is

reasonable

will go off of on you if you give intent to hammer well ahead of time, and then follow up by actually placing the hammer vote. Trust me on this, that's just how this site works, there is no bad stigma associated with placing the hammer vote on this site. Anyone who would still go off on you even if you gave intent to hammer before actually hammering is being unreasonable. Such people are in the minority, and it shouldn't be a cause for concern.

I realize you had a bad experience with this in Newbie 1915, but this isn't going to be a recurring issue that you will keep encountering as long as you always give intent to hammer before actually hammering.

The distinction is clear now. I couldn't understand why it was okay for one player to quickhammer (which I *now* understand was a really a fake hammer), but it was somehow not okay for me to quickhammer. Everything was resolved very well. I'm just not making the mistake again. So now we will wait for me to find out the rules and policies from the mod if it comes down to me acting.

[MaryJoLisa]

That would be my hope.

[MaryJoLisa]

@TTTT can you please pull your vote off Temporal?

[MaryJoLisa]

that pronoun makes me think of the cockney accent.

[MaryJoLisa]

So I can place my vote on there. then you can work it out with everyone else.

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: TemporalLich

[MaryJoLisa]

Who are you?

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh, welcome pickles 2.0

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[MaryJoLisa]

Why?

[MaryJoLisa]

Vanilla town! Yippie!

[MaryJoLisa]

*scribbles notes*
Very wise, Radiant. I'll reevaluate based on your advice.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm getting a little lost here. Why Noodle and not Cowboy?

[MaryJoLisa]

Just in general. Yeah, from your POV, but also I want to know why TTTT went from TL to Noodle.

[MaryJoLisa]

I also think it's really scummy how cowboy still has his RVS vote.
Noodle still having no vote is also decently scummy but probably less awful than cowboy.

But what if Cowboy and Noodle just aren't playing the game. Pickles wasn't playing the game really either.

[MaryJoLisa]

I suppose. You're not *really* striking me as scum anyway.

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

[MaryJoLisa]

@newer players
please be careful throwing your town-reads at RC
he's a very skilled player as either alignment
and nothing he has down is something he can't do one-handed in his sleep as scum

Oh. Fantastic. So he's playing way above my level.

[MaryJoLisa]

@newer players
please be careful throwing your town-reads at RC
he's a very skilled player as either alignment
and nothing he has down is something he can't do one-handed in his sleep as scum

Does this have to be your first post about me in a newbie game

I play these games to get away from this

I don't want you shoving it in my face

Well, I appreciate you joining the newbie game to fill a missing slot.

Just so I can get a feel for what I'm up against, are you semi-experienced or extremely-experienced?

[MaryJoLisa]

Yes. I will place trust in the @Mod to have selected wisely to maintain balance in the game and help the newbies learn how to play and have a reasonable chance of achieving their wincon.

[MaryJoLisa]

Wait, who claimed?

[MaryJoLisa]

omg! i'm vanilla town this game! Yippie!

Vanilla town! Yippie!

That was a reference to an earlier post I made.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'll be active and posting, I just won't be voting until everyone is playing the game. Unless someone's like, 'omg! i'm vanilla town this game! Yippie!". Then i'm voting.

RadiantCowbells claimed VT in the manner that I quoted above. I reciprocated. I didn't take his claim seriously and I didn't mean mine seriously

[MaryJoLisa]

Yes. I will place trust in the @Mod to have selected wisely to maintain balance in the game and help the newbies learn how to play and have a reasonable chance of achieving their wincon.

that's not how that works

How does it work?

[MaryJoLisa]

Wait. Did he hammer the vote in on Screaming?

[MaryJoLisa]

So it *is* okay to hammer a vote in on a player without giving them adequate notice and an opportunity to claim and explain themselves!

What the hell was everyone so pissed off at me doing it in 1915? That they threatened me with policy lynches and vote blocks. This is literally how it's done around here!

[MaryJoLisa]

This is bullshit. I'd have been happy to hammer the vote in on TL a few days ago, but I thought there was this delicate policy and rather than flubbing it up again, I had rathered to learn by observing how y'all like to do things.

Can someone please explain to me why I might be viewing this all wrong?

[MaryJoLisa]

If we really are at twilight, @Mod, I think the OP talks about starting day two early if everyone agrees.

I agree for at least my part.

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh the wagon is on me now? Cool. I figured it could be RC if not TemporalLich, but you've all built such a nifty wagon on me.

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh the wagon is on me now? Cool. I figured it could be RC if not TemporalLich, but you've all built such a nifty wagon on me.

[MaryJoLisa]

Can everyone in their next post claim tracker not tracker

i will not do that, no.

Why would I do that?

[MaryJoLisa]

@newer players
please be careful throwing your town-reads at RC
he's a very skilled player as either alignment
and nothing he has down is something he can't do one-handed in his sleep as scum

Does this have to be your first post about me in a newbie game

I play these games to get away from this

I don't want you shoving it in my face

do you disagree with anything I said?
do you want newbies to just hand out townreads to you when you replace into a bad-slot?

So was TTTT on to something and RC killed him? and killing Pvturist would've been too obvious of a tell for RC. Hammering Noodle was just to get us off the guilty-by-association train with Pickles.

Yes. 1000x yes.

It looks to me like he bussed is semi-absent partner for some town-cred and according to TTTT, he can pull off a move like this with one hand tied behind his back. Now he's out there sniffing out role claims, and we're feeding them to him like candy to a baby, exactly as TTTT said!

1. Either he's scum and he bussed his partner for town-cred.
2. He's town and he breached this holy hammer vote culture on a newbie right after declaring that newbie games were sacred to him. Those my words, not his, but it's from 467.

And mind you all that absolutely nobody cared that Screaming was hammered in the way she was, and I would highly suspect that a member of the scum team would mind that their partner was taken out without giving her the chance to defend herself, unless the hammer voter was her partner, speaking on her behalf.

[MaryJoLisa]

Ok? And maybe the investigator didn't take your advice. You're far from cleared. Just because you asked doesn't mean that someone did.

TTTT died because scum was PR hunting and TTTT knows how to use those PRs better than us newbies. Even if he was VT, he still presented a threat because he's a good player. That wagon on Screaming was never derailed. You hemmed and hawed over Screaming/Cowboy because you knew going straight for the kill would be damning. One thing you didn't hem or haw about was that hammering that vote. Of that you were 100% confident.

[MaryJoLisa]

No

I am the strongest scumhunter here, not TTTT

How does that help your case?

[MaryJoLisa]

What case? You can't lynch me, I'm town

Why wouldn't we be *able* to lynch you if you're town? That makes no sense.

You're scum this game. You rolled into a slot people saw as suspicious, you bussed your semi-absent partner, NKed your strongest adversary, and now you're *literally* PR sniffing.

Even if I'm wrong and you're town and you were actually hemming and hawing over Cowboy or Screaming, you still hammered a vote in on a newbie being (as you now state) unsure of whether she was really scum or not. And you gave us a "good luck town" salute.

You're either town that makes snap decisions based on emotion or your highly competent scum. In either case, you have to go.

VOTE: RadianCowbells

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh and you can't lynch me because at some point a PR innos me

Has that happened yet?

[MaryJoLisa]

How many games have you played?

[MaryJoLisa]

it answers my question.

[MaryJoLisa]

nothing, why? I just wanted to know.

[MaryJoLisa]

Quick question: has anyone provided investigative results? On my phone and didn't notice any, but if results have been offered, please point them out

[MaryJoLisa]

THEY HAVEN'T BC WE DONT WANT PRS TO OUT ON D2

This is absurdly anti town

Just to give you a baseline reading here, I only just learned the term "anti town" a few weeks ago. I have not learned the nuances of what does and does not qualify as anti town behavior.

I have no idea how asking if anyone has already announced the results of an investigation constitutes as being anti town. Your refusal to help me identify past posts as investigation results seems unnecessary. If the record exists, I'll find it on my own. I have made it very clear that I will not be role claiming nor will I be eliminating the possibility that I'm a tracker. I also don't think anyone else should eliminate that possibility at this time for your benefit or for anyone else's benefit either.

[MaryJoLisa]

I think my capacity to grow in this game has been maxed out. I don't understand half of what's going on.

[MaryJoLisa]

If you don't understand why don't you unvote and try to talk to me instead of knee jerk calling me scum? Let's talk

I have to first research all these new terms and acronyms introduced in the last few days. Power wolfing? Wtf is power wolfing?

I will find it all online, it'll just take some time.

[MaryJoLisa]

Somebody said it and I tried looking it up in the glossary.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MaryJoLisa, does the distinction between fakehammer vs quickhammer make sense now? Do you see why a fakehammer is a positive thing, whereas a quickhammer is a negative thing?

I can 100% assure you that no one who is

reasonable

will go off of on you if you give intent to hammer well ahead of time, and then follow up by actually placing the hammer vote. Trust me on this, that's just how this site works, there is no bad stigma associated with placing the hammer vote on this site. Anyone who would still go off on you even if you gave intent to hammer before actually hammering is being unreasonable. Such people are in the minority, and it shouldn't be a cause for concern.

I realize you had a bad experience with this in Newbie 1915, but this isn't going to be a recurring issue that you will keep encountering as long as you always give intent to hammer before actually hammering.

@Volxen, did RadiantCowbells handle the vote on ScreamingNoodle properly?

Was that a good model for me to follow on how best to hammer a vote?

[MaryJoLisa]

Well I'll talk to you in addition, but I do want to hear Volxen's POV. I want to know why he told me what he told me.

RadiantCowbells, was that a good model for me to follow on how to hammer votes in?

[MaryJoLisa]

No. I was in a special situation.

What was the special situation?

[MaryJoLisa]

No. I was in a special situation.

What was the special situation?

I thought that my vote was never on a TPR, hit scum 90% of the time, and I thought that PvTurist might derail noodle and onto either me or someone I hard townread. Don't make a habit of qhing but sometimes it is right

So only quickhammer if I'm sure.

[MaryJoLisa]

If you are consistently competent enough that you being sure means you're right, yes

So how do I, as a newbie, distinguish the difference between a sure-footed ally and an enemy who coordinated with the lynch victim?

[MaryJoLisa]

lol. no.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'll vote cowboy, though.

[MaryJoLisa]

No l1 yet pls

UNVOTE:

I don't think putting him at L-1 really hurts anything, but very well.

If you haven't already, please claim "tracker" or "not tracker" so we can finish this up. Remember if you are a town power role OTHER than tracker, you should also claim "not tracker".

Not tracker.

[MaryJoLisa]

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Here is why RC is essentially 99.99% confirmed town. Scum always knows what column the setup is (A, B, or C), but they never know the specific setup at the beginning of the game. Notice that each column has setups with a cop, and each column also has setups with either a neapolitan and/or tracker as well. Here are the facts:

1) RC quickhammered Noodle.
2) Noodle flipped mafia goon.
3) RC repeatedly asked to be investigated before day 1 ended.
4) TTTT was nightkilled and flipped vanilla townie, so all town power role(s) are still alive.
5) If there is a cop and they got a guilty on RC, they would have already outed themselves and revealed RC as scum. Since there is only one scum left, there would be no reason for the cop to delay revealing their guilty. This suggests that either there is a cop and they didn't get a guilty on whoever they investigated, or there isn't a cop to begin with.

Now if RC is scum, regardless of how good he is,

it's INCREDIBLY risky to quickhammer his scumbuddy on day one before identifying and dealing with the town power role(s)

. And regardless of what column the setup is in (A, B, or C), scum!RC can’t rule out the possibility that there is a cop, and that they would in fact “call his bluff” and actually investigate him.

Because if there is a cop and they get a guilty on him, then RC's skill as scum becomes completely irrelevant

. The most he could do here is get into a 1vs1 with the cop and get him/her lynched, only for RC himself to get lynched the next day following the cop's flip. And obviously if RC is scum he didn't know who the town power role(s) is/are on night 1, considering TTTT was nightkilled and he was a vanilla townie.

Is it within RC's scumrange to hard bus his partner and carry the game on his own? It absolutely 100% is. But it only makes sense to do this AFTER he has dealt with the town power role(s), especially the cop if there is one. It makes zero sense for him to quickhammer Noodle on day one AND call to be investigated, even going so far as to say that if there is a neapolitan and cop, they should BOTH investigate him. He wouldn't do that as scum, because even scum!RC is going to lose if he gets a cop guilty on him before lylo when he is the last remaining scum.

Getting a cop guilty on you as the last remaining scum before lylo means you lose 100% of the time.

His end of day one play would be literal suicide if he was scum. He's town. And to be perfectly clear, if one of you is the cop, you should NOT reveal who you got an innocent on at this stage of the game. Keep that to yourself for the time being.

What confidence do you have that the cop actually investigated RadiantCowbell?

What confidence do you have that the cop *understood* enough to investigate RC and call him on a bluff?

[MaryJoLisa]

Vanity wagon?

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: Cowboy

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm not removing my vote.

[MaryJoLisa]

UNVOTE:

[MaryJoLisa]

This was actually largely my thought process. Sorry if this seems like a cop out, but it was. The fact that TTTT is a good player, going back and forth between noodles and I (which would make us think "hey he's not TOO sure which of the two are scum" so that it wouldn't be obvious, and also hammering the vote, which RC later explained anyway.

Biggest problem in this game is that we have wildly different experience levels at play and the most experienced player *on the entire forum* is making solo decisions that may or may not be in town’s best interest and he’s pulling the trigger very quickly and without any kind of explanation to newbies about what his motives are. Everything is now, now, now! We have to move very fast, before you have any time to think about it or question my motives!

With RadiantCowbells, being scum is probably the best case scenario for RC because if RC is town, then he quick hammered a newbie *in a newbie game* 13 hours after joining to save his own skin. This was said shortly after declaring that newbie games have a certain sanctity to him. So if he’s scum, then I can see clearly how he’s playing to his wincon. He’d have been acting on Screaming’s behalf and working making the best of a bad situation. Pickles was more or less absent from the beginning and Screaming had the flu and had already been prodded.

If RadiantCowbells is town, then his play makes absolutely no sense in a newbie game because he clearly put winning and personal survival above playing a clean game for the benefit of newbies who are observing and learning how to play properly. Town!RC* stepped into a newbie game and quick hammered a newbie who had the flu to save his own skin because the wagon might turn around on him.

I'm having a lot of trouble justifying how someone can replace into a newbie game, read lines like this from Noodle in 53: "If you are trying to force me out of playing games on this forum... you're starting to do a pretty good job," take note of me expressing emphatically that I don’t feel comfortable casting the final vote on anyone, and then take note of Screaming saying that she has the flu, and after all of that acknowledging the sanctity of newbie game and then model quick hammering on an absent player.

The *only* justification that I can make is that RadiantCowbells is scum, didn’t read through the whole thread because he already knew what was what going on behind the scenes when he replaced into the game, bussed his partner (who was going to get lynched anyway), and either didn’t know or didn’t care that I was looking to this action as a guide on how to handle votes. I cannot come up with a clean town explanation for his actions in a newbie game. Maybe this flies elsewhere, but these moves are way over my head.


*Did I do that right? In my world, "!" means "not" but here it means "suppose".

[MaryJoLisa]

RadiantCowbells is town and nothing can convince me otherwise.

Readlist if it still matters:

[Town]

RadiantCowbells

MagikHorse

PvtUrist

volxen

cowboybepis

MaryJoLisa

[Scum]

Is this still your most current readlist?

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah, i'm reading back through day two. i'm so lost. I don't know what RadiantCowbells is talking about. I don't know why he expected me to tell him if I'm a tracker or not without explaining to me why I should do that and how that's in town's best interest. I don't understand why he scum reads me but I suspect it's because I'm not responding in the way he expects from other players. I don't know why he thinks I'll follow his lead on charisma alone, but that's exactly what it feels like he's trying to do. Maybe he has nothing except charisma to work with?

I don't know.

It's like when you take an entry level language class but most of the students are native speakers who are just looking for easy course credit. The actual learners feel intimidated and lost at the advanced level displayed by their peers.

[MaryJoLisa]

Did you mean vanilla?

[MaryJoLisa]

Biggest problem in this game is that we have wildly different experience levels at play and the most experienced player *on the entire forum* is making solo decisions that may or may not be in town’s best interest and he’s pulling the trigger very quickly and without any kind of explanation to newbies about what his motives are. Everything is now, now, now! We have to move very fast, before you have any time to think about it or question my motives!

That's not very good. Are you accusing RC of this solely because of the quickhammer?

With RadiantCowbells, being scum is probably the best case scenario for RC because if RC is town, then he quick hammered a newbie *in a newbie game* 13 hours after joining to save his own skin. This was said shortly after declaring that newbie games have a certain sanctity to him. So if he’s scum, then I can see clearly how he’s playing to his wincon. He’d have been acting on Screaming’s behalf and working making the best of a bad situation. Pickles was more or less absent from the beginning and Screaming had the flu and had already been prodded.

I can see how Scum!RC would do this, but since RC is an info goldmine lynching him would be a big loss to the town.

TL;DR you had better be sure about this if RC gets lynched today, because if not, you are the lynch tomorrow.

If RadiantCowbells is town, then his play makes absolutely no sense in a newbie game because he clearly put winning and personal survival above playing a clean game for the benefit of newbies who are observing and learning how to play properly. Town!RC* stepped into a newbie game and quick hammered a newbie who had the flu to save his own skin because the wagon might turn around on him.

You overlook RC's excellent stream of info (is this what spew is?). This is why I'm hesitant to hammer and why RC gets top slot.

I'm having a lot of trouble justifying how someone can replace into a newbie game, read lines like this from Noodle in 53: "If you are trying to force me out of playing games on this forum... you're starting to do a pretty good job," take note of me expressing emphatically that I don’t feel comfortable casting the final vote on anyone, and then take note of Screaming saying that she has the flu, and after all of that acknowledging the sanctity of newbie game and then model quick hammering on an absent player.

And also object to my intent to hammer D2?! Something is not clicking here. RC, how sure were you of Noodle being scum right before you quickhammered?

The *only* justification that I can make is that RadiantCowbells is scum, didn’t read through the whole thread because he already knew what was what going on behind the scenes when he replaced into the game, bussed his partner (who was going to get lynched anyway), and either didn’t know or didn’t care that I was looking to this action as a guide on how to handle votes. I cannot come up with a clean town explanation for his actions in a newbie game. Maybe this flies elsewhere, but these moves are way over my head.

I see 110% confidence in Noodle being scum as the other justification.

*Did I do that right? In my world, "!" means "not" but here it means "suppose".

Town!RC as you typed it means RadiantCowbells as a Town player.

If I'm top on your scum list, then you should keep your vote on me.** Like seriously, if you think you've got a better shot at solving the game using your logic over mine, and I'm the wrench in the machineworks that's throwing you off, that's a perfectly legit reason to get rid of me. I'm pretty much maxed out on what I can contribute as far as my viewpoint.


**Except if you think I'm scum when I was too hesitant to hammer a vote in on you to advance my would-be scum agenda with Screaming, then I hope at least you have a good enough reason to at least counterbalance my earlier actions.

[MaryJoLisa]

Damn. I should have cleaned that quote up. ^^^

[MaryJoLisa]

If RadiantCowbells is town, then his play makes absolutely no sense in a newbie game because he clearly put winning and personal survival above playing a clean game for the benefit of newbies who are observing and learning how to play properly. Town!RC* stepped into a newbie game and quick hammered a newbie who had the flu to save his own skin because the wagon might turn around on him.

You overlook RC's excellent stream of info (is this what spew is?). This is why I'm hesitant to hammer and why RC gets top slot.

I don’t understand 75% of what’s flying off RC’s keyboard, so I may be overlooking something critical. I cannot personally justify RC’s actions as town, but maybe you can. I’m not closed minded. I’m just not able to make the case myself.

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah, you're just playing over my level. I don't see you "ridiculously town" and I don't have the experience to analyze why I should see you as obviously, over-the-top town.

[MaryJoLisa]

Such as?

[MaryJoLisa]

TemporalLich's vocabulary isn't really bothering me. Right or wrong I don't really necessarily know the difference and I'm aware that he's more familiar with another mafia forum's culture, so inconsistencies are explained by that.

[MaryJoLisa]

What do you mean? How many does it take to lynch?

[MaryJoLisa]

While Noodle's post 83 and Pickles's post 86 were written a few minutes apart, I think it's a stretch to go so far as to label this scum theater. Noodle and Pickles are both very new players, they both only have one non-marathon completed game on site (Newbie 1917 for Noodle, and Newbie 1809 for Pickles). I think if Noodle and Pickles were scum together, Noodle probably wouldn't have the confidence to ask her scum partner "are you scum?" in such a casual manner, because having that kind of an associative between two scumbuddies is risky in the event that one of them gets lynched. In my experience most new players that roll scum are

extremely

self-conscious about how they post and vote, and they would be worried about being linked to their partner and not being able to defend the interaction as not being SvS following their partner's flip.

Screaming was just echoing me. I asked Pickles first. I didn't that whole transaction as anything more than just NAI, light-hearted banter.

[MaryJoLisa]

*Didn't take that whole transaction.

[MaryJoLisa]

???

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm so lost and confused right now.

[MaryJoLisa]

Thank you, Mod.

VOTE: CowboyBepis

[MaryJoLisa]

i feel bad for lynching someone i knew was town but like

outing the pr is bad.

What do you mean by that?

[MaryJoLisa]

i mean that i knew that cowboy was town but i lynched them anyway because it wasn't worth the risk of outing a PR and they probably wouldn't survive to endgame if i died

How did you know Cowboy wasn't a PR?

[MaryJoLisa]

Why didn't anyone get killed over the night phase?

[MaryJoLisa]

he didn't play like he was ever a pr

neither did noodle

Does anyone here play like a PR?

[MaryJoLisa]

Me too, come to think of it.

[MaryJoLisa]

What is spoon?

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah, is it the spoon bender?

[MaryJoLisa]

What's the matrix reference to?

[MaryJoLisa]

Screw it. You can be the spoon, whatever that means.

[MaryJoLisa]

While I'm at it, I'll get this out of the way.

@Mod I'll be V/LA for the latter half of today and all of tomorrow due to birthday celebrations. I'll be back to full availability on Monday the 11th.

My birthday's only 23 hours long because of Daylight's Savings Time too. I'm gonna have to steal an hour from some other day to make up for it.

Happy truncated birthday!!

[MaryJoLisa]

no

massclaim time

Have you claimed? Your earlier post wasn't clear for me.

[MaryJoLisa]

Where did you claim that?

[MaryJoLisa]

Ok.

[MaryJoLisa]

Thank you.

@Volxen, even if you're scum, I really appreciate that you're spelling things out for me nice and clearly. I *feel* like you're giving me a fair shake.

[MaryJoLisa]

@Volxen, has RadiantCowbells given a legit role claim yet? I seriously have no idea.

[MaryJoLisa]

@Volxen, has RadiantCowbells given a legit role claim yet? I seriously have no idea.

No, RC has not made a serious roleclaim yet. The only players who have made full roleclaims are TemporalLich (he claimed Vanilla Townie early on) and MagikHorse (he claimed Town Doctor).

Out of the players that haven't made full roleclaims yet, I think the claim order should be {PvtUrist, MaryJoLisa, Volxen, RadiantCowbells}. @RadiantCowbells, Are you agreeable to that claim order?

Why this order?

[MaryJoLisa]

@Volxen, has RadiantCowbells given a legit role claim yet? I seriously have no idea.

No, RC has not made a serious roleclaim yet. The only players who have made full roleclaims are TemporalLich (he claimed Vanilla Townie early on) and MagikHorse (he claimed Town Doctor).

Out of the players that haven't made full roleclaims yet, I think the claim order should be {PvtUrist, MaryJoLisa, Volxen, RadiantCowbells}. @RadiantCowbells, Are you agreeable to that claim order?

Why this order?

NVM. I see it.

[MaryJoLisa]

I don't town read RadiantCowbells, but I agree to the order. I'm VT.

[MaryJoLisa]

I also don't *fully* town read you, Volxen, but I figure if you're scum, you earned the win fair and square if it comes down to that.

[MaryJoLisa]

I claim Vanilla Townie.

Interesting choice of words, btw.

[MaryJoLisa]

"Claim"

Why not just say, "I am?"

[MaryJoLisa]

So PvtUrist is confirmed town. I have RadiantCowbells as locktown based on the way in which he quickhammered Noodle on day one. I don't see a world where TemporalLich is scum with Noodle. So from my point of view, the last remaining scum is either MaryJoLisa or MagikHorse.

Omg I'm going to quickhammer everyone who I feel like quickhammering in the future. But only if I feel it's justified. I've seen it modeled now. I know what's going on with that.

That's like my *big* take away from this game.

[MaryJoLisa]

What's it take, 4?

[MaryJoLisa]

VOTE: MaryJoLisa

[MaryJoLisa]

That was four right? I needed four?

[MaryJoLisa]

Now we have multiple hours to plan before mod wakes up and kills me off. I am indeed town.

[MaryJoLisa]

You'd better. Start planning.

[MaryJoLisa]

I'd be so pissed if I didn't effectively vote myself to lynch after that.

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh, he got his vote in ahead of me but only by seconds.

[MaryJoLisa]

Yesss!!!!!

[MaryJoLisa]

Thank you for saving us *days* of waiting with that night phase.

[MaryJoLisa]

I usually prefer to play to my outs if at all possible, but as RC has plainly stated I'm thoroughly trapped on a base mechanical level. Think I did fairly well though, and had I faced a different town probably won. RC's replace-in was as brutal as losing my scumbuddy Day 1, and I likely should've killed them on Night 1 instead of TTTT.

You were a wonderful opponent. Thank you for sticking with your role until the end like you did.

[MaryJoLisa]

Btw I'm sorry if anything I did upset you MJL, you didn't seem... enthusiastic about my presence in this game.

applies even more now that we know we're both town

You're just at a higher level than I am skillswise. When you introduce self-proclaimed olympians to a newbie game, it's very intimidating. I like you as a person, though!

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah. I didn't speed up the night phase Night 2 trying to get my head together and think of a plan, but it honestly got spent watching The Lego Movie and then going to the local theater and seeing The Lego Movie 2 instead. Time well spent, but sadly I think the game was already locked down by then anyways.

As much as I'd love to force you to kill everyone for my amusement, it'd just be a waste of time overall. I may be scum, but I'm not

that

evil.

I really appreciate that you conceded like that. The wait time on this forum can be "rather lengthy.*

The experience in this game was really good, btw, guys. I hope Screaming is okay with being quick hammered like that, but I not going to be too timid to do that anymore.

[MaryJoLisa]

Yes! Thank you Plotinus! Excellent modding.

[MaryJoLisa]

magikhorse played well but just got poed out

He wasn't going to get out of this. The odds would be against him if I self-hammered and let you guys work out a plan. Once I was out of the mix, we'd have had him.

At least that was my logic.

[MaryJoLisa]

So who were our actual PRs? I got lost somewhere along the way.

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah, I definitely got lost somewhere along the way. I think I confused Magik for TL.

[MaryJoLisa]

Shouldn't we have two?

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh, I see!

[MaryJoLisa]

Thank you so much, Plotinus.

And thank you also to Volxen for spelling things out so clearly for me to follow and learn.

[MaryJoLisa]

I didn't realize that Mafia get doctor rolls.

[MaryJoLisa]

Plotinus actually messed up the end game here. I was actually the Mafia Bomber who kills everyone in the game in the event that both of my scumbuddies (Screamingnoodle and MagikHorse) are killed. So all of us lost the game.

Yeah, but then Urist quickhammerd on me. I get it. Hammer warnings are something you do when you have time and courtesy to spare. If you have to seize the moment, hammer away.

You guys say one thing about this, but you do something different.

[MaryJoLisa]

@MaryJoLisa, Sorry you ended up getting lynched, but it was the optimal plan here since if you were scum you would have been the Mafia Roleblocker, whereas if MagikHorse was scum he was only a Mafia Goon. So you were more of a threat if you were scum compared to MagikHorse based on RC's jailing plan, which wouldn't have worked if we lynched MagikHorse before you. But you did put

A LOT

into this game, and you played great! For the most part I thought you were fairly towny, although when you started to nitpick at how I roleclaimed I started to get more concerned about your slot.

Please do be careful about quickhammering in your future games though, I was really serious with that advice.

I saw that it was the most optimal route. I play to win the game, not to personally survive. You can cowbells were sure of each other, so removing me from the equation would rule a suspect out and buy you both time to work things out before the thread got locked.

[MaryJoLisa]

Not gonna lie Volxen was amazing with his advice. It seriously felt like he was the IC at times.

And I need stuff like that. I was looking up things like, "Neapolitan," "Neo," and "Spoon," because that's actually the level I'm at. Volxen was very helpful and I was able to see how the information he was providing was neutral and could have come from scum or town without ruining the game for anyone.

[MaryJoLisa]

I enjoyed playing with you. I thought you did a good job. You had me going.

[MaryJoLisa]

Will the Mafia's private thread be opened?

[MaryJoLisa]

It's all good. Name of the game.

The name of the game is "Mafia", not "Quickhammer".

Well, you know what I mean... but okay.

I knew what you meant. If you want to play another game and I can get into the same game, I'd like to play another round with you.