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[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

VOTE: clarity

[Robbnva]

It’s even worse as a gif. Truly a disturbing image.

[Robbnva]

We are the only players (other than Clarity) who have posted more than once.

Interesting. Wondering why you lied/misrepped?

[Robbnva]

@Robbnva,

Sorry, I totally forgot about your three posts. Somehow my mind condensed them down into one. Certainly wasn't a lie. What do you think I would have gotten from lying about that?

Nothing. I was just curious where your mind was at.

[Robbnva]

We are the only players (other than Clarity) who have posted more than once.

Interesting. Wondering why you lied/misrepped?

This is a stretch. Your posts page one weren't substantive and could easily have been glossed over. This looks more like shading than reaction testing (as you imply in 51

It’s not a stretch cause it’s true. Content doesn’t matter. Number of posts do.

So actually your post is a shading one, not mine.

[Robbnva]

Actually I want to circle back to this. What do you make of his response, and is it different from what you were expecting?

I don’t really believe him

[Robbnva]

VOTE: lucky

Falsely accusing me of shading when I asked a legitimate question is highly suspect

[Robbnva]

And I never said or implied I was reaction testing. Not sure what in post 51 gave you that impression.

[Robbnva]

Cause I have 3 posts on page 1, including a vote on clarity right after TTTT said never lynch them. I don’t see how it’s possible to miss it.

[Robbnva]

No he’s not right. It wasn’t a stretch. You DID lie/misrep my post count. Intentionally or not, who cares. It happened.

[Robbnva]

It was hurried and obviously wrong, but entirely unintentional and NAI.

Yes it is nai, that’s why I didn’t vote you. But lucky’s false accusation wasn’t imo. You also loose even more respect from me cause you agreed with him.

So lucky is probably scum trying to wk you. As for you, I unfortunately can’t really trust you anymore which is a shame if you actually are town.

[Robbnva]

lose*

[Robbnva]

White knighting. Basically somebody does something questionable and scum will come in and defend that player. That’s basically what he did from my POV.

He didn’t need to come defend you like that

[Robbnva]

Had he just said my accusation was a stretch and left it at that, it probably would have been fine. He tries to make into something more and then throws in another misrep at the end, just looks too shady to come from town.

[Robbnva]

No he’s not right. It wasn’t a stretch. You DID lie/misrep my post count. Intentionally or not, who cares. It happened.

Whether it was intentional or not matters a great deal. And it seems obviously unintentional. In which case he wasn't actually lying or misreading. In which case your "interesting" post is pretty shady.

Not to me it doesn’t. I’m the one asking the question so my opinion in that regard is the only one that matters.

But hey thanks for trying to look important yet failing miserably

[Robbnva]

For now I'll attribute Imperator's post count mistake to stupidity because of the faultiness of memory and the higher likeliness of an act of stupidity than one of malice; nevertheless, I believe that Robbnva's reaction suggests town because scum would avoid attracting attention by quibbling over a trivial mistake.

Scum have to appear to appear to be scumhunting. Lying low quickly draws suspicion, so this isn't a good reason to town read someone.

Plus, he's already drawn attention to himself, so if scum, he's got to try to shift focus on someone else as quickly as possible and make himself look like the victim of a scum attack

Jocus actually made a good point. I as scum have no reason go question imposter like I did.

Your false accusation actually looks like a scum attack becaus it is a blatant misrep, and you misrep me again at the end of the post.

I’m like 90% sure you are scum now

[Robbnva]

I actually tried to draw attention to myself with my first vote. Otter, THAT was an attempt at a reaction test. Just in case I’m wrong and you are town, you are having trouble telling the difference.

[Robbnva]

I’m actually surprised tttt didn’t question me for voting clarity

[Robbnva]

There is no such thing as throwing around misrep too much when somebody actually does it.

And I’ve caught scum on Page 1 before so saying town can’t be 90% on Page 4 is definitely wrong, especially from me. I get confident early and often

[Robbnva]

In other news, @Robb, jocus, imperator, what do you all make of pema's entrance?

Doesn’t surprise me that you’re asking that. Especially if you actually are scum.

I don’t see anything wrong with it. Town, especially new town, worry about being lynched just as much as scum.

It’s nai and anyone who suggest it is loses respect from me.

[Robbnva]

I get confident early and often

what about accurately?

I don’t keep track but probably not super accurate.

That’s why I’ve stoped saying 100%.
That’s why I’ll try not to death tunnel him.

If he starts doing something that makes me doubt my read or somebody provides something to make me reconsider, I’ll do that.

Alternatively if somebody else comes along that makes me feel is a better lynch I’ll switch but for Page 4, he’s hands down the scummiest so why not throw some votes on him.

[Robbnva]

But accuracy doesn’t factor into his statement. He says town doesn’t do it and I know that’s a lie. Even if you exclude my own games, I’ve see other town do it also.

He’s making a misleading statement to make himself look credible

[Robbnva]

He’s making a misleading statement to make himself look credible

and in my opinion you just did the same thing with your 'confidence early and often' spiel. you didnt come out and say that your early game hunches are often proven to be correct, but it certainly reads like it.

so, in your book, are misleading statements to appear credible alignment indicative?

That’s an issue with your reading comprehension. I never implied I’m accurate.

[Robbnva]

The discussion wasn’t even about accuracy so why you assumed that I was saying I was accurate is confusing

[Robbnva]

but all you've been doing with me is actively trying to discredit me.

Sorry. Pointing out scummy things is how you play mafia. And if you want to go there, you’ve been trying to discredit me and you did it first.

those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

[Robbnva]

It doesn't read like legit scumhunting to me.

When you start doing some let me know.

[Robbnva]

And now my temper is flaring so I’ll step away.

[Robbnva]

maybe lets rephrase a bit, why did you add the bit about 'especially from me' if it wasnt to imply that you consider yourself to be good at identifying early game reads?

Because I have a long meta history of being confident in my reads. That’s actually one of the reasons I quit playing mafia. People got so sick of me and my tunneling early reads.

I probably have 50+ games over my different accounts where I’ve been confident early game and refuse to look elsewhere.

That’s why I’m at least dialing it back this game. I can’t help but be confident, I can stop being close minded and listening to others and look elsewhere if I need to.

[Robbnva]

And I never actually said why I'm on the pema wagon. Yet you decided to put a spin on it rather than ask me about it. That to me is telling.

I didn’t put a spin on you being on the Pena wagon. I don’t even think I mentioned you being on the wagon at all actually. So you misrepping me for at least a 2nd, possible 3rd time is more telling.

[Robbnva]

Double checked. I definitely didn’t say anything about your vote on pema so anytime you’d like to retract and apologize, I’ll be here.

[Robbnva]

so do you see your tunneling as more of a fault or a help?

It’s a play style

[Robbnva]

In other news, @Robb, jocus, imperator, what do you all make of pema's entrance?

Doesn’t surprise me that you’re asking that. Especially if you actually are scum.

Uhm.

Care to elaborate what the uhm is for?

If you even try to say that’s where I talk about you being on his wagon you can stop right there because it doesn’t.

[Robbnva]

It’s nai and anyone who suggest it is loses respect from me.

[Robbnva]

I guess I’m running out of people I can work with. This game is gonna suck

[Robbnva]

Bye girls!

confirmed town
never lynch

If we’re going to start nitpicking entrances.

This is a slight scumtell. Only one way he can know clarity is town.

I wrote it off as non ai but if we’re going to just throw logic and common sense out of the window let’s go.

[Robbnva]

So tttt and otter are my two scum reads now.

Playing stupid could be fun. Let’s try it.

[Robbnva]

I never said he said that about his scum partner though.

You’re confirmed town cause tttt is scum.

I can’t tell if that was a joke post. There was no indication it was.

logic and common sense have been tossed out the window for this game already so I just have to take things at face value

[Robbnva]

Robb
how serious are you about 112?
i think you're just trying to make a point
but if you really SR me for that plz lemme know

Since I’m no longer using logic or common sense. It’s serious.

[Robbnva]

like how do we even engage with that approach?

I guess the same way you would with the others. Or you can ignore it.

It’s a serious scum read until I see something that makes me change my mind though. Regardless the reason I’m using, it’s a serious scum read.

[Robbnva]

Show me the numbers of players who say somebody is confirmed town on Page one.

What percent are scum?
What percent are town?

I’m curious to know.

[Robbnva]

Now if you’re ready to play this game seriously. Vote for somebody for something shady. Otter was hella shady.

Lynch scumOtter

[Robbnva]

I get some people think the intro could be something but that’s all they have posted and they aren’t posting. What exactly are you accomplishing? Or what do you hope to accomplish?

[Robbnva]

Maybe if I understand that, I’ll understand the votes.

[Robbnva]

It’s at whoever is voting a person with one post

[Robbnva]

I get some people think the intro could be something but that’s all they have posted and they aren’t posting. What exactly are you accomplishing? Or what do you hope to accomplish?

I hope to accomplish sorting pema's alignment

You should know voting inactives doesn’t work so try again.

What are you actually hoping to accomplish?

[Robbnva]

Nevermind. Don’t worry about it.

[Robbnva]

Sure he was. Game had been open for more than 24 hours and he managed one post. That’s all he’s posted.

Hello post isn’t activity but whatever makes you feel better about yourself

[Robbnva]

Pema's only post:

Pema's online activity:


Intentional lurking (and not just lack of activity)???

I’ve seen town do that

Hell I do that myself as town.

I mean sure he very well could be scum but we learn nothing by lynching him. Mafia is supposed to be about scum hunting not policy lynching off some stupid made up tell that somebody decided to manufacture and inactivity.

[Robbnva]

It’s like the old 3rd person on a wagon is scum. Somebody compiled data to skew that into some sort of tell and people guy mislynched cause of it.

If we’re in a newbie game we should be showing newbies how to actually play mafia and not just dial it in.

If you actually want to use scum hunting, that points to otter most likely being scum.

That’s all I’ll say. I’m clearly not going to convince lazy players to not be lazy anymore so I won’t try.

[Robbnva]

Cool. Enjoy being lazy.

I’m outta here

[Robbnva]

So you’re too lazy to even read?

Jfc I hope you’re not town. Why do I make posts if nobody is going to read them.

[Robbnva]

realize this is a newbie game full of people trying the site for the first time.

I am completely aware of that. That’s why I’m trying to get people to actually scum hunt.

Vote parking on an inactive player because they said hello to everyone is seriously the laziest way to play. As an experienced player I’m supposed to at least encourage newbies to play.

The other two experienced players should be doing the same,’however they are advocating lazy play.

They are teaching bad habits.

Sorry if I come off as a jerk but I’m trying to get the new players to actually try to scum hunt and not rely on unreliable tells.

Blatantly accusing someone of something that isn’t true is a huge red flag.
Intentionally misrepping somebody is also.

I could probably add more stuff that otter has done but I’m clearly wasting my breath.

I’ll sit back and see how laziness works out. If you can’t beat them, join them right?

So don’t expect much from me until people decide they want to actually play the game they signed up for instead of phoning it in.

[Robbnva]

No I don’t. None of this discussion these last two/three pages have been useful at all. All I see is people advocating lazy play and others advocating against it.

I see no genuine scum hunting and the only one who really was doing any has stopped and is agitated.

This game HAS stalled. We’re waiting for pema to post and arguing because nobody wants to actually scum hunt. We’ve wasted 3 days. We only get like 10.

I just think it could be spent in a way to actually help town win and teach new players how to play.

I assume both scum are on pena because imo only scum would be ok with the current game state.

Maybe scum is you/otter afterall

[Robbnva]

Robb
I'm reading your posts
I'm just not sure why you are so against voting players
nobody is saying pema is lockscum
early game is for voting, interacting, developing reads
I don't get your beef at all

Saying I’m against voting players is a blatant misrep btw. I’m against voting an inactive player because of some fabricated scumtell.

I’m against sitting around doing nothing when we could actually pressure somebody who was active AND scummy.

Like seriously you’re ignoring a scummy player waiting for an inactive.

Even if you don’t agree otter is scummy, there are other ACTIVE people you could vote.

It’s straight laziness man. You’re setting a bad example.

[Robbnva]

@Rob, would you lynch someone else if the Otter wagon never gets off the ground?

Of course.

[Robbnva]

sounds like tunneling

Pretty much anyone who hasn’t changed their vote is guilty of that so what was the point of singling me out besides pushing my buttons?

Are you trying to piss me off on purpose?

[Robbnva]

No I don’t need a claim from him but maybe pressure him to do something.

Lucky had posted words with nothing of value other than some false accusations and weak questions to appear to be scum hunting.

He’s hiding out on a lazy wagon.

He’s probably hoping attention falls off him.

So why not get him to l-2 and see what he does. It’s more effective than waiting for somebody who isn’t playing

[Robbnva]

And for those who believe in intentional lurking. Lucky logged on today and hasn’t contributed either.

[Robbnva]

He should get some sort of pressure for making at least 3 false accusations

[Robbnva]

Unless y’all don’t think lying is scummy. If that’s the case let me know and I will take my ball and go home.

[Robbnva]

Active lurking. One of the most reliable scum tells in the game.

[Robbnva]

He should get some sort of pressure for making at least 3 false accusations

do you mind outlining which 3, i was looking through his iso and i cant figure out what exactly youre referring to. i guess i get the miscounting thing but im not sure about the others

I already did once. I have no interest in doing more when so many are fine doing so little.

Call me an asshole if you want but it’s already been done.

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And for those who believe in intentional lurking. Lucky logged on today and hasn’t contributed either.

7 minutes later. Not a coincidence.

He’s scum ladies and gentlemen.

[Robbnva]

This is falling on deaf ears I know. Such a shame

[Robbnva]

Again I think you're downplaying the validity of looking at pema's entrance.

There is no validity to looking at one useless post.

[Robbnva]

Oh get off your high horse already

Sorry. Liars don’t get to tell me what to do.

[Robbnva]

Irl I’m nothing like this. Something about mafia does it.

Probably because I’m very competitive and I have a low tolerance for bullshit. Especially when people don’t take the game seriously like what’s going on here.

[Robbnva]

Tttt making me feel better about him/otter.

No way he reads otter posts and think imp is a better vote.

[Robbnva]

Aimee you’re new. I suggest reading these last few pages. There is specific discussion as to why people think it’s a bad post.

You should read these pages anyway and start providing content.

Also since somebody has already posted about it once. They are going to use the fact that you log in and don’t post against you so if you log on, try to contribute something or they will accuse you of intentionally lurking.

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Forgot to add

Which they did already. You’ve been accused of intentionally lurking.

[Robbnva]

He’s clearly town. Tbh I have no interest in discussing things with you cause you are almost definitely scum. Going after loan hanging fruit and ignoring lucky.

[Robbnva]

low hanging fruit even

[Robbnva]

You’ve proved my point. You’re very lazy this game. Afraid to take the hard stances. Afraid to make real waves.

[Robbnva]

Lucky otter wagon isn’t a popular one. Nobody was into it but me. New scum isn’t going to join that wagon. Hell, experience scum probably wouldn’t

[Robbnva]

Lucky otter wagon isn’t a popular one. Nobody was into it but me. New scum isn’t going to join that wagon. Hell, experience scum probably wouldn’t

wait so you dont think otter is scum? this was just to see who would join the wagon?

No I still think he’s scum.

[Robbnva]

i think robb may have pocketed imperator. i think it may have happened a couple pages back, but it now seems obvious

If by pocketed, you mean I town read him. Yes. I’ve said as much.

[Robbnva]

Well I am town so if I’ve convinced somebody of that, awesome

[Robbnva]

No he definitely is assuming I’m scum. He’s wrong but he can think whatever he wants.

[Robbnva]

You accused me of pocketing somebody. That means you’ve decided my alignment

[Robbnva]

What question have I not answered due to lazy play that hasn’t already been answered by reading my posts?

[Robbnva]

The one you asked me? Read my posts and you find your answer.

Why is that my fault when I’ve already answered your question and you’re too lazy to read?

I’ve pointed out every scummy thing otter has done. I’ve pointed out every false accusation/misrep.

Why do I need to repost it?

[Robbnva]

i probably dont know the meaning of pocketing then. i looked at the wiki for it and im probably using the term incorrectly.

Pocketing means scum who’s placed a townie in their pocket. Basically how you used it. You accused me of being scum convincing imperor I’m town

[Robbnva]

i guess 'buddying' and 'pocketing' mean the same thing according to the wiki

Yes.

[Robbnva]

So zeeb. Who you liking for scum and who are hard town reads? Don’t really care about reads you’re not sure of.

[Robbnva]

I actually thought about the pocketing. But I also explain why there is no way he can be scum assuming I’m wrong so it lucky which I don’t think I am

[Robbnva]

Thanks for that post, however on mobile it’s going to be a pain to go through it

[Robbnva]

Robb: This feels like town to me. I just wish he'd help us sort the rest of the game rather than just Otter.

I’ve got 2 scum reads. Probably 2 town reads.

What more do you need from me? Thats pretty good for early day 1, especially for me

[Robbnva]

I actually thought about the pocketing. But I also explain why there is no way he can be scum assuming I’m wrong so it lucky which I don’t think I am

I missed that. Or are you referring to the TTTT scum read? If so, can we go through that please? I'm getting the opposite on that.

If I’m wrong about otter, there is no way imperor or whatever is scum imo.

I’m already catching flack. Why would scum attach themselves to me like that

[Robbnva]

So you're saying scum!imperator doesn't interact that way with town!otter? The page 3 thing?

Idk what way you’re referring to. I’ll check later.

[Robbnva]

So you're saying scum!imperator doesn't interact that way with town!otter? The page 3 thing?

Idk what way you’re referring to. I’ll check later.

I'm trying to figure out what you're referring to re. your argument about town!imperator. Sorry. You seem confident town!otter implies town!imperator and I don't follow.

I already explained it. What part of that explanation do you not understand/agree with?

[Robbnva]

Lucky otter wagon isn’t a popular one. Nobody was into it but me. New scum isn’t going to join that wagon. Hell, experience scum probably wouldn’t

Sigh

[Robbnva]

That’s was with the assumption otter is town which tttt seems to think if he thinks imp is scum

[Robbnva]

It really sucks that it seems I’m playing a different game than everyone else.

[Robbnva]

I don’t need people to agree with me. I expect people to actually read and respond to my reasons which nobody has.

I also pretty much can’t work with anyone who advocates lazy play.

So even if you and otter are somehow town, you have shown to me that you don’t take this game seriously.

That said both of your actions make more sense form scum. I’m also not fond of working with people who like to push my buttons so Jocus screwed himself.

I’m working well with everyone else.

[Robbnva]

If I can get town vibes from zeeb/egg. I feel I’m in good shape.

My lynch pool becomes 4 people and I pretty much ignore pema cause he’s useless thus far

[Robbnva]

That’s was with the assumption otter is town which tttt seems to think if he thinks imp is scum

Is this your reasoning for town!imp?

Yes basically. If otter is scum, imp is definitely town.

Even if otter is town, imp is definitely town.

Pretty much can’t see how imp could be scum read at this point.

[Robbnva]

Ok - what caused you to see it that way?

I'm not trying to be obnoxious. If it's just obvious, then i don't see it because I'm new and I would appreciate a pointer towards the key facts.

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[Robbnva]

I literally quoted it for you last page.

[Robbnva]

Scum, especially new scum are going to blend in. That’s why the Pena wagon is more likely to have scum on it imo.

Tttt and otter are more experienced and shouldn’t have been on it at all imo.

[Robbnva]

If imp joined that wagon, I’d understand a scumnread.

Only way I see imp scum is with otter

[Robbnva]

Flip otter and I can probably solve the game day 2

[Robbnva]

You’re two votes have been on low hanging fruit. That’s lazy and more likely to come from scum. If you are town, I’m very disappointed at how you’ve played.

[Robbnva]

Otter makes the most sense as scum. He made blatantly false accusations. At least one I don’t even understand how he even got there.

[Robbnva]

We are the only players (other than Clarity) who have posted more than once.

Interesting. Wondering why you lied/misrepped?

This is a stretch. Your posts page one weren't substantive and could easily have been glossed over. This looks more like shading than reaction testing (as you imply in 51

Asking somebody a question isn’t shading somebody and I wasn’t reaction testing. Nothing in post 51 implies I was either.

This a blatantly false accusation. One I don’t see town making.

[Robbnva]

I just assumed you would actually want to set a good example for newbies. If not why are you here?

[Robbnva]

And here I mean newbie games.

They got rid of Ic so SEs should try and set a good example

[Robbnva]

It’s ok. You’re probably just scum here.

[Robbnva]

your case on Otter is weak
my case on pema is weak
my case on imp is weak
it's page 13
the difference is you seem to think you've solved the game

When you can poe, yes you can kind of get an idea.

Flipping otter helps this game more than pema and imp.

And my case for otter is far from weak. It has more substance than both of your Pema/imp cases which that alone makes it a better case but carry on scum. You do you. I’m I’ll do me

[Robbnva]

Probably a good idea if we stop talking. We aren’t going to see eye to eye and it’s just going to get ugly if we keep at it.

[Robbnva]

your play is not helpful
you are divisive and overbearing and you don't approach anybody who disagrees with you in good faith in an effort to actually sort their alignment
it's flat out bad play if you are town you are giving cover to scum

I’ve pointed town to 2 possible scum and I’ve pointed town to two pretty obvious townies.

That’s more helpful than either of your two votes and contributions

[Robbnva]

Thank you for your opinion. I just don’t agree with it but people aren’t all going to agree

[Robbnva]

I don't really believe in meta. meta is very easy to manipulate.

[Robbnva]

I shouldn't be an xfactor.

My gut says there is one scum in this pool

ClearlyClarity
Jocus Aevorum
LuckyOtter


for me to move off lucky,

1. make an argument for how lucky's play has been town and useful
2. who of the other 2 is more likely scum over lucky.

[Robbnva]

pointing out that I have a history of tunneling =/= the same as using meta to get a read on somebody.

thanks for playing.

[Robbnva]

I would not expect anyone to use the fact that I tunnel, as a reason to town read me. They would be very stupid to do that.

[Robbnva]

that was asked before, i don't really know. I don't sit here and think about my accuracy when I play. I just go with my gut.

[Robbnva]

tbh if there were better alternatives right now, i'd seriously consider changing my vote. There aren't better alternatives. The only names being talked about as lynches are pema/imp and I have no desire to vote either of them.

So I am basically stuck voting my top scum read. If people want to wagon TTTT, I am down for it. I'd also wagon CC or Jocus for some pressure.

Anyone else, not really interested in today.

[Robbnva]

I would not expect anyone to use the fact that I tunnel, as a reason to town read me. They would be very stupid to do that.

there are distinct play-style differences between your town games and your scum games
if you've managed to bridge that gap and are scum here... good job

I think only one player has ever been able to tell the difference between my scum and town games. I don't even remember who it was. Nobody else has been able to and I seriously doubt you have been able to.


I am glad you are saying I am town, because I am, but then again you are more informed than anyone else.

[Robbnva]

man, I need to find out who that guy was and see if he is still playing...

[Robbnva]

anything else to add?

[Robbnva]

I have this weird gut feeling that Eggs is scum from the "too towny to be town analytical" style....

you could probably stand to learn something from him tbh. Your posts lack analytics. That is part of why you are in my scum pool. You haven't really added any value to the game.

[Robbnva]

Now that everyone's here:

{TTTT, Eggs, Zeebu}
{Jocus, CC}
{pema}
{Imperator, Robbnva}

Do you’ve scumread all 3 people up for lynch?

You’re amazing :golf clap:

[Robbnva]

So*

[Robbnva]

I wasn’t inconsistent

[Robbnva]

Who is

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Removed accidental reference to ongoing game on request --P

[Robbnva]

I guess I should have said statements as well as questions... like the ones I quoted above, they seem to me like they point to townie as they help gameplay move along rather than hinder it, although this is just a soft reading.

I don’t really see how any of those actually helped the game

[Robbnva]

when he is actually the lazy one

Da fuck? You’re tripping

[Robbnva]

Why don't you trust meta Robb?

I’ve explained that

[Robbnva]

Not really liking the recent posts by imp. He was a solid town read and now he’s back to unknown

[Robbnva]

when he is actually the lazy one

Da fuck? You’re tripping

Isn't it weird how Robb starts scum reading me the moment I have a negative opinion of him?

Except I never said or implied I scum read you. Nice misrep

[Robbnva]

Now that everyone's here:

{TTTT, Eggs, Zeebu}
{Jocus, CC}
{pema}
{Imperator, Robbnva}

Do you’ve scumread all 3 people up for lynch?

You’re amazing :golf clap:

The 3 people up for lynch are scummy, so yeah. Like, wtf even is this dig?

Pema hadn’t posted anything so he wasn’t scummy
I certainly haven’t been
Imp was fine until recently when he’s making up stuff.

So that “dig” kinda just points to you looking opportunistic.

[Robbnva]

And your iso is still fairy useless on top of being opportunistic.

It’s also funny how you are commenting on my “dig” when you’ve made 3 false accusations about me. 4 if you count saying I was making a dig, 5 if you count saying I’ve been scummy.

[Robbnva]

I don’t understand why imp thinks 2 players throwing shade at each other can’t both be town. I don’t think he’s explained that yet.

[Robbnva]

I want him to explain it cause i can probably link 50 games over the span of almost 9 years where town both threw shade at each other.

So I want to know why he thinks town can’t do that or if he thinks it’s possible, why isn’t it possible also.

And because he tried to shade me by saying I scum read him when I actually didn’t, I now do. I don’t tolerate liars.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: imp

[Robbnva]

I’ll lynch lucky or imp today. I don’t care who goes first. Liars must die

[Robbnva]

Honest mistake my ass. Get wrecked

[Robbnva]

Not really liking the recent posts by imp. He was a solid town read and now he’s back to unknown

when he is actually the lazy one

Da fuck? You’re tripping

Isn't it weird how Robb starts scum reading me the moment I have a negative opinion of him?

383 to 386. Impossible for that to be a mistake.

[Robbnva]

I ask again, what the hell would I gain from lying?

Gives you an excuse to do a 180 and make an opportunistic jump like you just did.

[Robbnva]

I do find it funny that when you start getting pressure you decided to abandon your town read on me back off your scum read on otter. You would have actually looked townier had you stuck to your guns.

[Robbnva]

And you’ve actually made many lies about me. At some point they stop being mistakes. Like the first lie about my post count I excused. The 3 lies in the last 2/3 pages however were calculated lies not mistakes.

[Robbnva]

Why would I want to do a reversal on you? If I really am scum you were town reading me hard! What would I gain(as scum) from doing this, if it is what you say it is?

You had just been accused of pocketing of me. People are looking more at your posts, your getting more heat. You were pretty much backed in a corner. There was no reason for you as town to drop your town read on me. As scum, you probably felt like you could push the 1v1 option better. In order to do that you had to throw dirt my way.

The bullshit you said about me regarding my posts on Page 13, 1. Is a complete lie, 2. You don’t even explain what you were even talking about and when I call you out on it, you just ignore it and try to use me calling you out as a way to falsely accuse me of scum reading you.

[Robbnva]

I’m sorry. It was Page 12, not 13.

13 you call me lazy cause I don’t want to talk to scum which is also a lie. That doesn’t make me lazy

[Robbnva]

So imp and otter have both lied the most and both need death. I doubt either is town and if they are somehow, they have literally no credibility

[Robbnva]

The fact remains that the moment I started to town read you less you reacted accordingly. It's almost as if how much you town read me is exactly proportional to how much I town read you. And before you go and say this is a lie, just look back, it's true.

You mean the moment you started lying about me, I town read you less. That’s correct. Liars are scum

[Robbnva]

I’m sorry. It was Page 12, not 13.

13 you call me lazy cause I don’t want to talk to scum which is also a lie. That doesn’t make me lazy

Yes it does make you lazy. And even if we use your twisted definition of the word(Lazy: adjective: anyone who is not Robb) this doesn't make me a liar, I'm just using the real definition(Lazy: adjective: unwilling to work or use energy).

No it doesn’t. Avoiding something for the betterment of my own personal mental health and to not ruin other players enjoyment isn’t lazy. It’s actually smart.

[Robbnva]

Then a moment later you jump on a silly mistake and decide that I am 100% scum

There is no way you made that mistake if you actually read. Sorry

[Robbnva]

He is always refusing to talk to people

I’m not refusing to talk to people. I’ve pretty much talked to everyone this game. I said it was a good idea if tttt and I stopped talking. Note I never actually stopped talking.

Suggesting something =/= actually doing it.

See you just keep lying. I haven’t been lazy once this game. So piss off scum boy

[Robbnva]

So the imp train is building steam

That’s all you felt to contribute?

[Robbnva]

He is always refusing to talk to people

I’m not refusing to talk to people. I’ve pretty much talked to everyone this game. I said it was a good idea if tttt and I stopped talking. Note I never actually stopped talking.

Suggesting something =/= actually doing it.

See you just keep lying. I haven’t been lazy once this game. So piss off scum boy

You suggested me and otter stop talking. Why can you suggest it and it’s fine but I do and I’m lazy?

Bullshit

[Robbnva]

So the imp train is building steam

That’s all you felt to contribute?

I was tired. Good to go to l-1 now

VOTE: imperator

Oh ok. Good vote. Fuck that dude

[Robbnva]

And sorry you were saying tttt and I should.

So I’m lazy for suggesting it (and you’re ok using that against me) but you agreed with the suggestion which makes you sort of a hypocrite.

You can’t agree with something somebody suggests and use it against them at the same time.

[Robbnva]

This is such utter bullshit. I'm not lying, Robb is.

I'm not gonna claim a PR cause I'm VT. I expect the next time I log on I'll be lynched and Robb will be on his way to a great(oh, did I say great? I meant trash) scum victory.

Want me to quote the 4-5 lies you’ve told? I can just go shut you up.

I can honestly say I haven’t lied at all. You definitely have

[Robbnva]

We are the only players (other than Clarity) who have posted more than once.

Lie

[Robbnva]

Robb is jumping around and sounding inconsistent,

Lie

[Robbnva]

when he is actually the lazy one

Lie

[Robbnva]

Refusing to have a conversation with someone by saying "It’s ok. You’re probably just scum here,"

Lie. I didn’t refuse to have a conversation with anyone that page. Especially not that post

[Robbnva]

It’s ok. You’re probably just scum here.

Full quote for reference. Where does it say I’m refusing to talk to anyone?

Where have I actually refused to to talk to anyone and actually followed through.

I haven’t.

[Robbnva]

Isn't it weird how Robb starts scum reading me the moment I have a negative opinion of him?

Lied again here.

[Robbnva]

So I’m some bizarre world you’re not scum here. Huge pierce of advice for you.

STOP FUCKING LYING

[Robbnva]

when he is actually the lazy one

Lie

You are being lazy. I talked about this. You dismiss others for stupid reasons and won't restate your cases ever.

Restate means I’ve stated it already.


Who’s lazy. Me for not restating io those who refuse to read it the first time.

Yeah go chase those lazy fuckers. It’s not my job to help lazy people be even lazier.

Can somebody hammer you already

[Robbnva]

Isn't it weird how Robb starts scum reading me the moment I have a negative opinion of him?

Lied again here.

This is the one I'm really angry about, because it's so blatantly wrong. But, for various irl reasons, it is just another silly mistake. I know you will never believe that, but it's the fucking truth.

It isn’t blatantly wrong. You trying to say you didn’t lie is blatantly wrong

[Robbnva]

Lies can easily be passed off as a mistake.

I could lie left and right if I wanted to and hide behind “mistake”

His intent is clear. Discredit me with those “mistakes”

[Robbnva]

Robb, he does have an aggressive, targeting way of playing that could point to scum (??) but could also just be his play-style.

It is.

[Robbnva]

Anyone know Robb's scum meta? Is he as confrontational as scum?

Someone answer this pretty please.

no, he is not

Hmm. Why are you lying?

@cc. Yes I am confrontational as scum. That’s why I’m not a fan of meta. I can mirror my town game as scum.

The only way to catch me as scum is go signer investigate me or roll the dice and hope I flip scum.

Not even sure how tttt thinks he knows me meta but he’s definitely wrong here and yes it’s pretty stupid for me to come out and say all of this but I despise lying.

[Robbnva]

@tttt why are you pretending like you know me and how I play?

[Robbnva]

@TTTT,

Anything is possible, but I really think Robb is scum here. I think he is getting away with some stuff nobody should ever get away with.

Yeah guys. Don’t let me get away with telling the truth or for playing how I almost always play.

That’s completely unacceptable especially apparently. I guess I’m a threat to people who like to lie.

Better get rid of me.

[Robbnva]

@cc. Yes I am confrontational as scum. That’s why I’m not a fan of meta. I can mirror my town game as scum.

do you mind pointing me to a scum game where you were confrontational as scum?

Pretty much all of them but let me look when I get to work. May need to look on one of my other accounts as that may be more recent

[Robbnva]

The funny thing is if y’all would have listened and lynched otter, we’d be one scum down and everyone would be happy.

[Robbnva]

Here’s one - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72911&hilit=+Pisskopfor

[Robbnva]

Serious question. Has otter provided anything helpful or useful this game?

Is he actively scum hunting?

[Robbnva]

I felt I was. That’s also older. Once I get a break at work I’ll find a better example

[Robbnva]

I guess it’s been a longer while than I think. Whatever. Doesn’t really matter. My aggressive behavior, while off putting, is nai but if y’all want to give me town cred for it by all means.

[Robbnva]

@TTTT,

Anything is possible, but I really think Robb is scum here. I think he is getting away with some stuff nobody should ever get away with.

why do you think the stuf "he is getting away with" is more likely to make him scum?

That he scum reads people who think ill of him and he town reads people who town read him and the fact he won't respond to the whole of peoples arguments(I assert because he's lazy) are the main concerns. I had others.

I do that as both alignments. But isn’t that like a natural thing. Somebody spreading lies and misinformation, those people are suspicious. People agreeing with you are probably good guys?

It’s day 1. I don’t have a single flip to work with. With nothing to go on, liars are a good start. False accusers and misreppers.

If you don’t like it, that’s fine but it definitely doesn’t make me scum.

[Robbnva]

So, Lucky has 29 posts, most of which are directly talking to Robb.

He posted a reads list also in which Robb and I were his hardest scum reads. I'm interested if he thinks the same or different now.

I think his back-and-forth with Robb is really interesting. I suggest everyone go back and look through it. Looking at it again makes it seem even more evident to me that Robb is mudslinging and not scum hunting.

Otter mudslung at me first and I reacted. My reaction was me scum hunting. It may not be the way you want me to but determining he blatantly lied and falsely accused me of something isn’t townie

[Robbnva]

I don’t understand why he’s got a hard on for 247.

[Robbnva]

Him or me?

If him I totally agree

[Robbnva]

Feeling safe to eliminate a possible imp/rob team, and feeling more and more like waiting to D2 to sort them.

Hmm

[Robbnva]

Not atm. It’s definitely noteworthy to me though. Want to see if anyone has issues with it before I say something.

[Robbnva]

Useless

[Robbnva]

There's been enough time for both CC and pema to contribute more than they have, or at the very least place a vote. Pema's hesitation is looking slightly more convincing/justified.

VOTE: ClearlyClarity

Outside of arguing with me, I’d say your contribution to this game is about the same as theirs. When you do ask questions they are like t-ball type questions.

I try to re-evaluate my read on you but I honestly can’t connect the dots.

[Robbnva]

Here’s one - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72911&hilit=+Pisskopfor

actually i skimmed through that one. you werent confrontational much at all. a few comments here and there but nothing like youve been this game. or the previous one you subbed out of.

well will you look at that...
Zeebs and I had read the same scum!Robb games
and I agree with your take on them

Go find jake from State Farm for sure.
Maybe derpy hooves

[Robbnva]

I don't think you honestly believe this, and you're making me think you're scum again.

I’ve read your iso three times. I absolutely believe it.

[Robbnva]

calling anything that isn’t true "lies"

Fixed

[Robbnva]

Show me these useful posts.

If people wouldn’t lie, I wouldn’t have to call them out on it. Don’t get mad at me cause you lied asshole

[Robbnva]

What is your thoughts on otter leaving is around to argue more tomorrow?

Should one of us be lynched or should we continue tomorrow?

[Robbnva]

Otter said you and I should be sorted Day 2. Not today.

That means you and I fighting continues another game day.

Thoughts on that.

[Robbnva]

Jesus fucking Christ. He falsely accused me and you take his side. Figures. Liars stay together.

You’re probably scum bros

[Robbnva]

I don’t have time to figure out the motivation behind it.

An untrue statement or accusation are still lies. You can call
Them mistakes if you want. I see them as lies.

[Robbnva]

I don’t have time to figure out the motivation behind it.

An untrue statement or accusation are still lies. You can call
Them mistakes if you want. I see them as lies.

The motivation is literally the most important part. That's how you determine if it's a lie or not. It's stuff like this quote that makes me think you are scum and not just blind town.

In my mind I can’t see why somebody would purposely say things that aren’t true. I don’t worry about motivation because town shouldn’t lie.

And idk if you’ve noticed or not but I don’t give two shits what you think my alignment is.

[Robbnva]

And wanted Robb to answer what he was going to say in the above quote?

Tttt has mentioned something earlier about scum wanting people fighting so they could lay low.

Otter doesn’t want to sort me/imp and wants us both alive day 2.

What’s going to happen day 2? More fighting.

So that is highly suspicious to me.

But I guess that’s just me wanting to get everyone to vote somebody out.

Btw. That was the dumbest thing you’ve said. Of course I want everyone to vote otter out. I think he’s scum

I’d insult you but it’s not worth it.

[Robbnva]

scum love seeing TvT spats overwhelming the thread

Actually this is what he said.

It’s true. Scum loves watching fights.

Otter not wanting to sort us fits that agenda.

[Robbnva]

This is suspicious to me, as it seems less about trying to figure out who is town and who is mafia,

Btw this is completely wrong. I have two scum reads. Those two are who I want lynched.

Maybe if you actually stuck around and tried to play this game you’d see that’s what is going on.

I’m not pushing otter and imp because I feel like it. They both have done legitimately scummy things that to me imply they are scum.

[Robbnva]

@Robb
I had the same initial reaction to Otter saying he didn't want to sort you and imp day1
but the more I thought about it
the more I think scum are less likely to admit to that kind of thing

But when you add that to everything else. There is literally nothing that points to town otter.

I can’t worry about any he would say these things as scum because I’m having trouble figuring why he’d say them as town.

That’s the part people don’t understand. I can’t determine scum motivation for these things, but I can’t determine town motivation either.

Why as town both players intentionally lie is lost on me so I just have to judge it at face value. Face value is it’s scummy.

At this point I don’t even care if I’m wrong. If they are actually town who lied. Good riddance

[Robbnva]

I might actually feel better voting Imp

VOTE: Imperator

^This is L-1

UNVOTE:
but now it is not

Why unvote?

Who cares if he’s l-1?

He was l-1 earlier and you didn’t unvote

[Robbnva]

I don’t have time to figure out the motivation behind it.

An untrue statement or accusation are still lies. You can call
Them mistakes if you want. I see them as lies.

The motivation is literally the most important part. That's how you determine if it's a lie or not. It's stuff like this quote that makes me think you are scum and not just blind town.

Back to this, imp. You’re just as guilty of not looking at my motivations. If you did there is absolutely no way you could scum read the things I’ve done.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: otter

He seriously needs death.

I can see a world where imp is just really misguided town who lied cause, well idk why.

Otter on the other hand I can’t see anything he’s done that’s beneficial to the game. The fact he wants imp and into keep fighting is a huge red flag.

Maybe I’ll get really lucky and somebody puts me to l-1

[Robbnva]

@Robb
we had three wagons at L-2
why'd you move to a new vanity wagon?

cause that is who I want lynched.

or as others would say

i am just pushing my agenda

idgaf if nobody else supports me. idgaf if it's a vanity wagon, idevengaf if deadline is in 2 days.

That is who I want dead. Maybe the solution is I need to be dead and flip town before people will actually see the bullshit otter did. Knowing I am town, maybe town will see that his posts are all bullshit.

btw he didn't only falsely accuse me of something, he threw dirt toward JC earlier this game also, unjustly imo. But nobody takes the time to actually read otter's contribution. They just see the big idiot yelling and screaming and think that because of that otter is probably town.

fuck that shit.

[Robbnva]

Describing a player as

suspicious

in Mafia can effectively be the same as the Mafia jargon term

scummy

. I wanted to retract my previous word choice that was too strong in order to state that I do not hold it as alignment-indicative. The word

suspicious

in this context and the third characteristic are almost antonyms, so a new point means that the third point is not redundant.

So why bother pointing out unusual behavior if you don't see it as AI? Again, looks more like shading than solving, and this backtracking is making it look like you're just trying to stay busy rather than scumhunt.

This is not a pro-town post by otter.