Newbie 1937 | Maths | Over

[ClearlyClarity]

Bye girls!

[ClearlyClarity]

Post here now or you will all get died.

[ClearlyClarity]

Just click on my name.

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None of that made any sense to me lmao

TTTT and I were joking.

[ClearlyClarity]

I don’t get your reasoning, though. You’re metareading me, but saying I deviated from my meta, even though you pointed out in your previous post that I “RVS lynch” as both alignments. What are you trying to prove here?

[ClearlyClarity]

So you’re basically saying that I didn’t place an RVS vote when I usually do and that’s sus. Flimsy reasoning, but I respect that you pushed the game out of RVS in this short amount of time.

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First point is exactly what sus means. No clue how you’re seeing the second, and the third is entirely redundant.

[ClearlyClarity]

I like zeebu for town.

[ClearlyClarity]

Bye girls!

confirmed town
never lynch

If we’re going to start nitpicking entrances.

This is a slight scumtell. Only one way he can know clarity is town.

I wrote it off as non ai but if we’re going to just throw logic and common sense out of the window let’s go.

scum!TTTT doesn’t say this about his scumpartner here. You’re comparing a genuine entrance post to a joke response to a joke entrance.

[ClearlyClarity]

Jocus, are you a dictionary?

[ClearlyClarity]

I wouldn’t put too much stock in that tell until pema posts more. IIRC my first entrance on this site was literally the exact thing paraphrased

[ClearlyClarity]

Jocus, prior mafia experience?

[ClearlyClarity]

On mobile, can’t detail my posts rn. Townreading zebra and Imperator.

[ClearlyClarity]

On mobile, can’t detail my posts rn. Townreading zebra and Imperator.

why imp?

The posts you've selected that you felt were newbscum appearing to scumhunt are what feels to me like town trying to scumhunt. 170's questions correlate to his accusation against Jocus about not reading Robb's case. 171 is fair — a bit rapid-firey, though, but worth commenting on. Beyond that, good tonality. He held up well against Robb's accusation that Imp was misrepping him about the posting in 45.

[ClearlyClarity]

Anyone know Robb's scum meta? Is he as confrontational as scum?

[ClearlyClarity]

I have this weird gut feeling that Eggs is scum from the "too towny to be town analytical" style....

Funny you say this, cause I've been getting the same vibe from your posts. Like I'm still feeling icky about our p2 interaction where you seemed to be torn between debating semantics and saying...

something

about my meta, which I'm still unable to discern between all the big words. 134 was super showy in a way that feels almost fake

[ClearlyClarity]

Anyone know Robb's scum meta? Is he as confrontational as scum?

Someone answer this pretty please.

[ClearlyClarity]

Finals suck. I'll probably be V/LA for the rest of the week 'cause I've already been slacking off way too much.

VOTE: Robbnva

This whole back-and-forth mudslinging oozes theater. Like you can't read that whole ridiculous exchange and think that a significant portion of it wasn't scripted. If Robb's playstyle here is NAI and applicable to all his games, then either he's sowing enough confusion to be hurting town or scum taking refuge in audacity.

[ClearlyClarity]

I'd felt good about you earlier, Imp, but your AtE feels super gross to me and the only reason I'm not voting you rn is because I think your exchange with Robb is SvT and the anger is more genuine from your part. You alternate between this LAMIST-y posting to endear yourself to the others while you tunnel on Robb and try to get them to vote him with you.

And this:

He didn't ask her to say more. That was my intention. And it seems to me that clarity needs as much pressure as possible.

Reads to me as though you're deflecting the attention off you while you make a big show of putting pressure on me (i.e. making a single scathing comment on a perfectly valid question).

[ClearlyClarity]

Btw, thanks Jocus and pema for the reads. It's good to have more people involved in this game.

LAMIST

[ClearlyClarity]

I might actually feel better voting Imp

VOTE: Imperator

[ClearlyClarity]

I'm pretty sure something about Eggs' ISO struck me through my readthrough but the only one that kinda gave me the same ping as their latest one, and since Otter's voted me for the same reason idk if I should push that today. This game's been on the backburner for me and the rampant toxicity doesn't help me get more engaged

Promise I'll contribute more after flips though. D1 always kinda sucks for me.

[ClearlyClarity]

Time to do a hard reset now that the things that kept me away from this game are worked out.

VOTE: Eggs

I had a look over your ISO during night. Sorta narrowing down my weird vibe from you as this untowny hesitancy from posts, like 558 and 578. Your exchange with Robb 280-302 is like... overly apologetic and people-pleasy in a way that's afraid to overstep? I don't enjoy your pointing out your newbishness in 299 either. I've read some of your games and you seem perfectly able to hold your own, so the way you're deferring to Robb as an authority is like — coupled with 587, setting up for Robb flipping town, because you're scum knowing he's town.

I don't enjoy your posts today either. Your vote switch between me and Jocus was arbitrary af — like I have my own issues with Jocus's post but you've been on me since yesterday and you flipped onto him after he posted something that could very well be just setup speculation.

TTTT was a big loss.

-1 ^

[ClearlyClarity]

The Robb thing is all trying to keep him from exploding. And get something usable out of him.

Did you really not get town vibes from Robb? I think half the players voting for him thought he was town.

No. That's why I asked if his scum meta was similar to his town meta. I've known players who act genuinely abrasive and indignant when accused as town and emulate that in their scum games because it gives more credibility to their AtE. His play was far more likely to be scum-motivated, so I did believe he had a higher chance of flipping red.

Granted, I did vote Imp, but that was after I did an ISO analysis and decided I had more points against him. With Robb, there was just a general vibe that he wasn't trying to help town — my questions about his scumplay were to help me determine whether he was playing his usual personality up in order to manipulate town.

[ClearlyClarity]

Scum do setup speculation. That is a scumtell.

Do they? I don't claim to be a pro player but I've never seen that considered as a scumtell in the multitude of games I've been in. The timing was a bit off, but I could see Jocus coming from a genuine desire to clear some of the players for easier scumhunting.

[ClearlyClarity]

Maybe this isn't true. Someone or more definitely commented that's this was a good vt lynch.

And tttt is obvtown and telling you Robb's meta is saying town here.

And do your seriously read a scum putting themselves at the middle of these arguments?

Nah. That was town by any calm and detached read.

Can I check, you saying you thought he was scum?

But you didn't vote him?

TTTT said the VT lynch was good only after Robb claimed VT, and TTTT had been townreading Robb all game. TTTT wasn't even on Robb's wagon — all five others who voted for Robb genuinely believed he had a higher rand chance of being scum. TTTT being obvtown was irrelevant, and while I believe him over Robb regarding Robb's meta, his play was such that I could entertain the possibility of Robb powerscumming after being caught. At any rate, I find it hard to believe you could look at one-fifths of Robb's ISO and go, "Wow, never lynch this player, he's obvtown!" Why did

you

townread him?

And do your seriously read a scum putting themselves at the middle of these arguments?

Yes. That's a thing. SvTs are entirely possible and I've recently been in a game where scum engaged in 1v1s with literally the entire playerlist. '

I voted him originally, but switched my vote to Imp after doing some further reading on the latter.

[ClearlyClarity]

Google turns up some guy beginning with T's standard tells which talk about setup speculation. Not what I saw originally but backs it up tangentially.

This one?

[ClearlyClarity]

Indeed. But it's a side note with actual content.

Watch carefully do is pushing me and why.

I’m sorry, what? How is stating the obvious “actual content”?

And you still haven’t answered my question. Why did you townread Robb?

[ClearlyClarity]

No, I'm feeling it too. It's hard to muster the motivation to scumhunt, especially when the town leader gets offed.

/me thrusts the mantle at LuckyOtter

[ClearlyClarity]

Also can you two faceless potamuses get an avatar? Part of the lack of investment is sorta this feeling that I can't connect a face to the words. I can help resize something for you if you want.

[ClearlyClarity]

No, I'm feeling it too. It's hard to muster the motivation to scumhunt, especially when the town leader gets offed.

/me thrusts the mantle at LuckyOtter

Are you calling robb town leader?

VOTE: cc in anticipation. Get all the living fk outta here

No. Are you high?

[ClearlyClarity]

Quoi.

[ClearlyClarity]

Okaaaayy, I'm just gonna attribute that weird-ass conversation to a bout of drunkenness

zeebu, talk to me about Eggs when you're sober.

[ClearlyClarity]

Eh on second thought, Jocus's post was pretty bad. His post was either busywork or a newb trying to PR hunt without realizing it's anti-town to out the second PR rn, the former being more likely.

The more I think about the Robbnva-Imperator conflict, the more it appears to be town versus town.

That was a rabbit hole of arguing and tunneling that was almost towny, not scummy in a way.

This hesitancy and stating the obvious doesn't sit well with me either.

[ClearlyClarity]

Kinda clarify your post for me please, Jocus? Unless it's anti-town to do so rn.

[ClearlyClarity]

Honeslty the Robb wagon was terrible in pretty much every factor, like from my part I thought he was putting on a show because he wasn't like this in the last game I played with him where he also lashed out — ended up not being on the final wagon but would've been perfectly willing to vote him from a genuine feeling that he's more likely scum. But like, reiterating Eggs' point, half the players voted him out of a desire to see him gone and it's made it difficult to analyze any scum associations with his wagon. I actually mentally scumleaned TTTT for it before his flip but I'm like an insane cop with regards to my reads on him Though with this kind of reasoning I think it's reasonable to assume there's at least one scum on it and Jocus is looking like my biggest suspect rn

VOTE: Jocus

[ClearlyClarity]

I've had D1's twice as long as this game. I'll be the first to admit I crazy lurked on this game but this thing is actually on the verge of dying. And maybe someone who actually knows how to play mafia to be town leader in place of

Robb

TTTT

Someone regale me on their top two scumreads and why we shouid string 'em up!

[ClearlyClarity]

I'm biased as fuck towards newbies tbh and my reads on them generally kind of are all or nothing lmao

She's actually one of my stronger townreads compared to the rest of the playerlist, and it's less that she's towning it up (she's not, with a paltry 14 posts) and more that the things she

does

say don't really ping me. Looking over her ISO, there aren't any comments that jump out to me in particular, but if you look at it in its entirety it's got a pretty "uninvested town who occasionally comments on current happenings" vibe. Not someone I'm super interested in casing today.

[ClearlyClarity]

What do you think of pema?

[ClearlyClarity]

... um.

[ClearlyClarity]

What the fuck?

[ClearlyClarity]

pema, if you're town, that was a supremely anti-town thing to do. Tell me it was an accident. You're going to find it very hard to avoid rope tomorrow.

[ClearlyClarity]

Why am I awake at 6am?

[ClearlyClarity]

I'm writing a dumbass paper, that's why. And I shouldn't be on

this goddamn site

.

Uhghghghhhhh

[ClearlyClarity]

reads

jocus
eggs gets town points for talking when most ppl arent
same for imp
lo is a bit more questionable
i freaked out about pema earlier when i thought she hammered but it was just me being dumb about hammers as usual

yeah

[ClearlyClarity]

please feed me read-ee

[ClearlyClarity]

i have a headache so we can talk more tomorrow but ill just put out that it feels liek youre giving a townpass to anyone who does something towny and everyone's done that at some point so you should be pointing out the scummy stuff oinstead

anyway goodnight zzzzzzzzzz

[ClearlyClarity]

I’m still ok with keeping my vote on cc, but pema, whoa. Think it was a newbie thing?

What exactly did pema do wrong here?

I assumed pema didn’t factor in your unvote and tried to hammer.

I

assumed she hammered. Why are you assuming she did the same?

[ClearlyClarity]

Allow me to sheep this until I can question Jocus’ rep-in

VOTE: zeebu

What do I make of your weird switch to me, z? I’m not fond of your Day 2 game so far and I’m getting the feeling that you’re playing as though you’re satisfied with the current gamestate. You coast along with the main wagons Day 1 (which I can admit to doing the same), but then you park a vanity on me because “the game would be fine without me”? I’m going to interpret that as your saying that I was too lurks and contributed too little to the game, which still kinda makes me go ??? about you since I promised I would do more Day 2 and I delivered. So I ask again: why are you voting me?

[ClearlyClarity]

Eggs feels more tonally town than when I first wagoned him. Imp isn’t tonally town but the energy and activeness makes up for it. Petering off pema a little for not having much of either

[ClearlyClarity]

Thank you, Senor Huevos. Prevents doofuses from screwing up hammers and votes (read: me, who does this shit three months into the site).

[ClearlyClarity]

Ugh

Someone give me a reason not to rep out

[ClearlyClarity]

UNVOTE:

zeebu didn't have anyone giving intent but I can empathize with not giving a shit anymore

[ClearlyClarity]

VOTE: KIY

Hi King! May I have this dance?

[ClearlyClarity]

King, you've convinced me to stay through your playstyle. 797 was fun to read.

[ClearlyClarity]

I think of town leaders more as players who drive the discussion, who hold a certain degree more credibility than the rest of the players due to greater experience or skill. I recognized that TTTT, were he alive today, would have likely gotten us to a more concrete standing than the aimless wanderings we've endured today. However, regardless of TTTT's skill, I'm trying to get into the habit of not sheeping off of a player's reads just because they're a good player. The only gut I can feel? My own.

I sheeped off others Day 1 when I was far too distracted and apathetic to care. I'm ashamed to say that I contributed to the game being unfun and stagnant by lurking, so I'm trying my best now to drive the game a bit — only problem is that I sort of suck, and I overthink. But one thing you can trust is that my reads are my own. There's no scum agenda in having the polar opposite reads of the obvtown — now conftown — player.

[ClearlyClarity]

Even though it is perfectly reasonable to have independent reads, did you really not think that it was wise to look through the opinions of the player whose skill you respect and you know to be town to create a baseline, even if you don't completely copy them? There is a massive difference between "I disagree with this specific read by TTTT here" and "I am going to take TTTT's reads and give it the good ol' 180". The first can easily be an understandable difference in opinions, the second comes across as a treasonous attempt to take control of the power vacuum left behind after his death.

Problem is, you've got a bit of a misrep going on with my posts. I shared his Imp scumread, and was null to townleany on pema due to a personal proclivity towards reading newbies as town. His third scumread was me. Furthermore, there has been a night, a flip, and 300 posts between TTTT's full readlist and my posts today. Reads evolve; I'd been reading zeebu as town Day 1, but his Day 2 play was poorer and I subsequently flipped on my read of him as a result. My bid for "control of the power vacuum" was in actuality my poor attempt at trying to fill in the void TTTT left and make up for my own lackadaisical play. It doesn't benefit scum!me to try to start wagons that no one else was looking at.

[ClearlyClarity]

I'm feeling like leaning town on you but it might just be your playstyle that I really enjoy

[ClearlyClarity]

Useful is debatable on my part. I'm just trying to go through my redemption arc.

[ClearlyClarity]

I did replace in at an unavailable time of day, so i wont post and i wont be able to read. I'll make it up to you by doing them both later. In the meantime, my question about your reads on my slot still stands. What are your thoughts CC?

I townread your slot D1, but zeebu's D2 play wasn't amazing — though not bad enough to necessitate his having to claim. Started to peter off my scumread after his claim and the subsequent rep-out vibes frustrated town.

[ClearlyClarity]

Your slot has been very passive and uninvolved. Not overtly scummy besides that. Claimed tracker earlier.

Zeebu claimed VT, no? Vanilla townie

SHHHHHHHH.

[ClearlyClarity]

Talk me through your scumread of me, King. So far you've got "CC didn't sheep off of a player she said she respected, so she must be scum because..." Why? I had an agenda, apparently, but you have not articulated precisely what scum motivation I could have besides being a wannabe town leader, which is not only far beyond my capability as a mafia player but also not anything close to my role in this game so far. If you want my lynch, push me for it.

[ClearlyClarity]

And if you're voting Imp, can I ask you how much scum equity you think he has in comparison to your other top scumreads?

[ClearlyClarity]

Dong, sell me more on an Otter lynch. This bit is the only evidence I could find for your wagon:

This kind of voting style - voting someone not because you are confident they are scum, but rather because they have been pressuring on you with false or insufficent material - isnt town motivated.

These two are not mutually exclusive — quite the opposite. Only scum would necessitate pressuring someone based on false evidence or misrepresentation, which was precisely what Robb was doing. Furthermore, even if you do assume that Otter voted Robb despite believing he's town, like Eggs aptly pointed out, he wasn't the only one. There are other things about Otter's ISO that I don't enjoy, most recently his revealing Eggs' gambit (but also just a general wishywashy vibe from his posts where he's entertaining every possibility without committing to any single one), but his voting Robb isn't sufficient proof.

[ClearlyClarity]

Ok, since it seems like it is between Imperator and Otter I want to move my vote from KIY to Imperator. When Jocus was commenting, I stated my suspicions about him (and almost hammered him accidentally whoops), but now that the KIY has replaced him and is talking more I feel less sure that he is scum, also feel like CC is still shady and so am moving my vote to Imp. I can perhaps see where dong is coming from with Otter, but I still feel it is better to vote Imp as to me I have seen him more scum-leaning in this game and he also hasn't really given much of an input. Hopefully we can reach a collective agreement to lynch him before we run out of time.

It's weird how you've been like, basically sheeping off of my votes the entire game (someone did a VCA) but you still think I'm shady or w/e? Can you elaborate on that?

[ClearlyClarity]

Imp's in my lynchpool but I can't shake the nagging feeling that he's just massive lynchbait. If push comes to shove, I don't mind hammering him if we need a lynch, but I'd prefer if someone could sell me on Otter being scum instead

[ClearlyClarity]

Dong, sell me more on an Otter lynch. This bit is the only evidence I could find for your wagon:

This kind of voting style - voting someone not because you are confident they are scum, but rather because they have been pressuring on you with false or insufficent material - isnt town motivated.

These two are not mutually exclusive — quite the opposite. Only scum would necessitate pressuring someone based on false evidence or misrepresentation, which was precisely what Robb was doing. Furthermore, even if you do assume that Otter voted Robb despite believing he's town, like Eggs aptly pointed out, he wasn't the only one. There are other things about Otter's ISO that I don't enjoy, most recently his revealing Eggs' gambit (but also just a general wishywashy vibe from his posts where he's entertaining every possibility without committing to any single one), but his voting Robb isn't sufficient proof.

I cant make a full fledged case on otter right now. Not only have i not read the entire thread, it would take time to make a case and for everyone to read and make their conclusions based on that too. A day simply isnt enough to flesh out a case. That is why im asking you do this first and think later.

Imperator is most likely not scum but rather inexperienced town. If we go through with this lynch and he flips town, we will be left with nothing day 3 and the narrative will most likely be controlled by scum since it'll be nigh on impossible to get the remaining 3 town to vote especially with no material on hand.

It isnt simply about killing scum, its about preperation for day 3 as well.

You can't sell me — and two others, for that matter — a lynch on this. You're asking over half the game to trust

your

gut over hard evidence for the other wagon. I understand you're pressed for time, but at least tell me what you meant when you said "a lot of his other posts caught your eye". Don't link the posts if it's too time-consuming. What, in general terms, do you think is off about his ISO?

[ClearlyClarity]

Then i'll prove imperator is town. Show me the hard evidence.

You think Imp is town?

Reading robb and imperators posts are making me cringe, so im taking a break.

Here are my reads thus far:

Imperator

- There are more holes in your argument than there are in a swiss cheese, and you were buddying robb hard. Either you have no clue how to play town or you tried coasting the game which didnt work out. Number 2 lynch priority.

I recognize that you read a lot more of the game between these two posts, but that's still a bit of a 180 with a gap of ~30 posts. What changed your mind?

[ClearlyClarity]

Then i'll prove imperator is town. Show me the hard evidence.

You think Imp is town?

Reading robb and imperators posts are making me cringe, so im taking a break.

Here are my reads thus far:

Imperator

- There are more holes in your argument than there are in a swiss cheese, and you were buddying robb hard. Either you have no clue how to play town or you tried coasting the game which didnt work out. Number 2 lynch priority.

I recognize that you read a lot more of the game between these two posts, but that's still a bit of a 180 with a gap of ~30 posts. What changed your mind?

I didnt change my read. He is still my second lynch priority. However, you cant make a solid argument against him. That is why i asked you to bring forth your so called hard evidence. I am sure it will be very easy to disprove it.

Several people have made cases against Imp. You yourself have said that his arguments are faulty — so either you're reneging on your read but trying to do it subtly, or you're scum trying to set up for a road to victory. I don't have time to make a full case on Imp right now, but my personal feelings is that he's been incredibly theatrical with Robb and in general he's been super busyworky, and his lack of participation in D2 so far doesn't help. I don't have as much for Otter. We're at an impasse here, because neither of us are willing to express why the other should vote for our preferred wagon. The only difference is that I can at least point out why I don't like Imp's ISO.

[ClearlyClarity]

@CC, please help me with this. Even if I push to the side my feelings that you are likely guilty of treason and view you from a town point of view, I cannot figure out for the life of me what you actually believe right now.

For me, all bets are off. This day barely did shit for getting my head straight about reads. My single strong townread is on Eggs, and while pema and you are good runner-ups, I'm very open to the possibility of one of you being scum. Everyone else is fair game, and both current wagons are in my lynchpool. The conflict is deciding which one I should choose.

[ClearlyClarity]

We have 14 hours. I'm going to request that everyone give a list of their top three preferred lynch candidates, ordered, and we can collectively decide on who to lynch from there.

Mine:
1. Imperator
2. LuckyOtter
3. Dongempire

[ClearlyClarity]

You two keeping your cards close to your chest, then?

[ClearlyClarity]

We don’t have a consensus lynch. I’m asking for lists so that we can find the lynch that would suit as many players’ preferences as possible.

[ClearlyClarity]

Yes. Is there something you’re concerned about?

[ClearlyClarity]

Alright. First things first:

DO NOT VOTE - if you vote a townie by accident, with 2 scum and 3 votes required that's game over

We need to 100% take as much time before the deadline as we can before it's over to discuss unless somebody scumslips.

Anyone that advocates for a quicklynch gets my full attention.

Secondly, RE: My request for a list of scumreads from every player. I regret having been away for the entirety of twilight and leaving every player off with Dong's misrep of my post. The idea itself I took from teacher, who used it in a game I played with him as a way to agree on a consensus lynch when everyone else's reads were scattered. At the time when I proposed the idea to everyone, I was ambivalent on whether to lynch Imp or Otter, and requested scumreads from everyone else as a way to help me get over my indecision. If I wanted to set up mislynches for Day 3, I have no reason not to just give a simple scum readslist and be done with it. If I did, I wouldn't stand out as scum pushing mislynches. I'd stand out as one of the few town who expressed an honest interest in scumhunting.

The problem with you and King is that

neither of you actually gave reasons for the lynches you wanted.

King did not respond to my question to him in 866 despite promising that he'd get back to me. You refused to elaborate on why you wanted us to lynch Otter over Imp, even though my offer was fairly generous: just give me a general summary and I might be inclined to agree with you, especially if you were seeing the same things I was. You held your cards to your chest when I requested a scum readslist from the playerbase. And now you're once again carefully setting up for a wagon with your pointed questions. You're appealing to Eggs as a buddying attempt. This kind of secretive, shady play isn't town.

[ClearlyClarity]

That's fine. My thing was just for yesterday's specific situation, and I'd forgive careful play today if Dong wasn't guilty of it yesterday.

[ClearlyClarity]

If King didn't flip today I'd have said he was Dong's partner, but.

Dong/Otter is plausible with Dong having that inexplicable scumread on Otter and having the only justification be something that's not even valid. Dong's response to 892 doesn't say shit as a rebuttal. Another comb through the Dong ISO basically still has the same "Otter's scum because fuck you" vibe. Feels like Dong might've wanted to set up a bus on his partner but didn't end up wanting to go through with it? 903 is flat out an excuse.

[ClearlyClarity]

Like as scum he'd know Imp was town, but Imp's ISO is hard to frame as an actual townread. Dong's weird flip-flop on Imp is like trying to have his cake and eat it too. Yes, Imp is a hard scumread and number two lynch priority because his ISO sucks, but he's also town probably?? Like what were you even trying to say here? Fighting so hard against your number two lynch priority is a big

[ClearlyClarity]

Alright, CC is the only person I was really waiting for, and I'm assuming VT by the fact she hasn't objected yet.

I'm cop, and I have an inno on otter and a guilty on pema.

I think we should think between CC and Dong today while everyone is here to contribute, and i don't see why we shouldn't lynch between them too unless we need the extra discussion time.

Bad idea for me to click through this Preview.

This changes a lot. It's late rn, but I'm re-reading everything tomorrow ASAP.

[ClearlyClarity]

Dong/pema is still likely btw. Talk more tomorrow.

[ClearlyClarity]

Like as scum he'd know Imp was town, but Imp's ISO is hard to frame as an actual townread. Dong's weird flip-flop on Imp is like trying to have his cake and eat it too. Yes, Imp is a hard scumread and number two lynch priority because his ISO sucks, but he's also town probably?? Like what were you even trying to say here? Fighting so hard against your number two lynch priority is a big

Objection? It seems you still dont understand my intention.

I knew imperator was town. I read his interaction with robb in day 1 and i thought he was scum. That was when i posted the readlist. Whatever he was doing was antitown.

Yet when i read his iso again, i realized that what he was doing, while hindered town in the long run, wasnt done with an anti town intention.

Let me explain it this way. He was doing bad things with good intentions. He didnt know they would be a hinderance later on, and thats why he pressed on.

Thats why when it came to the lynch time, i wanted an otter lynch instead of imperator lynch. I didnt have any solid evidence otter was scum at the moment, but i was going by robb's read and i thought i would be able to make associations based on his flip. This of course never happened.

However, after seeing the reaction of clarity to such a lynch, i made up my mind that even thought imperator was town, his flip would be fruitful for me in the long run. Thats why i stopped objecting after everyone commented.

Its a long term plan. I stopped scumreading imperator, but i never said i did so the lynch would go through normally and the reactions would be genuine.

I thought it was pretty simple as far as long term plans go, but you seem to have missed the memo.

Sorry, I'm not seeing this. You're saying you'd white lied about two things: one, that you scumread Imperator to the day's end; and two, that you actually had solid reasons for scumreading Otter. And now you're saying that they were both reaction tests? Just one of them, I could maybe buy; but two feels too much like an excuse for your inconsistent reasoning.

[ClearlyClarity]

And now I really am going to bed.

[ClearlyClarity]

I know this is going to sound unbelievable, as I also read Eggs as definitely town, but I am the cop not him, he is scum. As a cop, I have been trying to stay quieter so that I don't make mistakes and as a new player get myself lynched or killed by the mafia. I found two town people to be clear, the first night Dong and the second night KIY. Eggs has most likely figured out that I am cop, and as he said before one mafia should come out as cop which is what he did.

No surprises there

I swear I'm an insane cop when it comes to new players

[ClearlyClarity]

I believed in you, pema.

[ClearlyClarity]

Eggs has most likely figured out that I am cop, and as he said before one mafia should come out as cop which is what he did.

Why wouldn't scum!Eggs kill you, then?

[ClearlyClarity]

95% scum equity goes to pema here but I'm not taking any chances in LyLo. If Eggs is scum then my weird ping in the earlier days means I'm not completely surprised but he played really well regardless

[ClearlyClarity]

Dong/pema is still likely btw. Talk more tomorrow.

Why "likely"?

Meaning your guilty on pema didn't change my scumread on Dong. Nothing in their ISOs disproves their association.

[ClearlyClarity]

Lolllolololololololo

Aleiright i cant see what im typing so sorry for anu typos

You realize that Eggs is going to be the nightkill tonight, right? So if you're trying to wheedle him into a scumread onto me, now's your only chance.

[ClearlyClarity]

I said that the possibility of either Imp or CC being scum is very high, Eggs called me out on this saying that it shouldn't be higher than normal odds. Of course, I knew that Dong (zeebu) was already cleared to be townie, making the odds that Imp or CC were scum higher, but not everyone knew this.

Why me and Imp specifically? You didn't clear Otter or KIY at that point, either. So why were we the standouts?

And can you answer my previous question to you?

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ClearlyClarity (replaces cc; simond)

TIL I'm actually a clone

[ClearlyClarity]

Naw, they worked hard on that. Spoilering it would be helpful though.

[ClearlyClarity]

VCAs are perfectly valid ways to scumhunt tho?

[ClearlyClarity]

Like, you're letting your desire to coach Eggs overtake actually helping them scumhunt. I say quit waffling around and lay out your case on me if you want Eggs to see it that badly.

[ClearlyClarity]

That's kind of a weird hypothetical you just pulled out of nowhere tbh

But I digress.

[ClearlyClarity]

Does anyone here actually believe pema's CC even just a little cause that's what needs to be argued right now.

[ClearlyClarity]

I mean, yeah, me vs. Dong is a thing, but clearly he prefers to take a backseat until you figure it out on your own. We'll duke it out in LyLo, and in the meantime, it's you vs. pema, plus any other contribution you can offer about Dong and me before you go down.

[ClearlyClarity]

I've been wanting to duke it out with Dong all day. You saw how well that turned out.

[ClearlyClarity]

pema/zeebudong just doesn't make sense as a pairing, votewise.

And why doesn't it make any sense? Is that your sole basis for disregarding the Dong/pema scumteam?

[ClearlyClarity]

Would you be able to make a few points for scum Zeebu/Dong before EoD please CC?

I'll be on it. I've been avoiding this game a bit but I can't procrastinate on this case.

[ClearlyClarity]

Ughhhh this feels like an assignment I really don't wanna do and school's supposed to be over for me

[ClearlyClarity]

Someone threaten to kill me tomorrow so I have motivation to actually work on this case pretty please

[ClearlyClarity]

Intent to hammer.

I'll table my cards if Dong does.

[ClearlyClarity]

No harm in just putting these down

VOTE: Dongempire

I've got a couple other things to catch up on first and I'll come back.