Newbie 1942: PTTHI1942 [game over]

[Iconeum]

If that wasn't a soft, then you take Cyrus's place in the pool.

Happy paddling

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yep

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Cyrus can squirm and cry all he wants, tomorrow he will mechanically be in the lynchpool lol

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Yknow what

It's too late know

Should I claim my role and night action result?

It's what I meant by 'If i'm reading this correctly', that you weren't in the lynchpool anymore

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I'll split them up in tiers

Cyrus
Formerfish
Teacher
Clearly

Bottom up more likely to be scum imo
Doubt that Cyrus is playing deepwolf, wouldn't put it out of FF range though.

[Iconeum]

lynch today is emps by the way

it just claimed pr

it's not the lynch today

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For the record, I don't even bother putting Carl in that list.

Conftown. If he's the deepwolf I think we already lost

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Scum don't soft there, insomnia

I'm pretty sure Cyrus has it in him as town to fake claim both an investigative and a protect the same game

[Iconeum]

Yknow what

It's too late know

Should I claim my role and night action result?

This is not a scumclaim, ever

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

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I'm on now. But next time can you guys not meme so much when I'm still catching up because I have a terrible sarcasm radar?

Claiming scum too btw

Ya know what's funny? I'm not detecting any sarcasm in this post

[Iconeum]

waiting on emps claim

this needs to happen now

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lol chill we are talking about minutes here...

but the claim has to happen now

if that was a scum misstep you can't let it get away

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in either case we are having a bunch of conftowns today in scumread slots, or a counterclaim and probable scumlynch

feels good actually

[Iconeum]

I'm JK

JKed FF

Sorry data kinda died on me

this is perfect lol

eat dust FF

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Also finding it funny that cyrus kept on pushing us despite him not dying. Scum should've killed him 100% of the time there, it shades us and also he's a free pr hit.

So I don't see him well right now. If emps claims 2nd pr, then we should shift wagons on him.

Scum should have hit him
FF was jailed

This points to FF being the executor

But i'm holding back a bit on it because FF would probably not kill someone he has pocketed so hard

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I meant to say scum should have shot Cyrus, but if FF was jailed then that explains it

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emps

do you still scumread me?

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I'm not so sure about this.

It could be JK VT and you could be scum fakeclaiming

Scum doesn't fakeclaim a PR in the blind, and it just happens to be a possible match with your role?
I don't believe in that kind of coincidence

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emps

do you still scumread me?

No, weak scumlean but I was too scared to go against the rest of town

one more question: has it crossed your mind this game that you were responsible for having blocked the scum NK?

[Iconeum]

Also, to anyone STILL thinking it's insomnia and me:

I WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO FAKE THE CLAIM, NOT INSOMNIA

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emps

do you still scumread me?

No, weak scumlean but I was too scared to go against the rest of town

one more question: has it crossed your mind this game that you were responsible for having blocked the scum NK?

No not really. Isn't JK supposed to play like Doc when there are 2 Scum left?

Jailkeeper protects your target from a kill, but it ALSO stops a scum from performing the kill

[Iconeum]

This could very well be a double nutcracker against scum

doc protects their target but is also JK'd

wow

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I think I did, but I'll just answer again:
At the time, I felt it could be scum I was hammering. I also felt the board shifting to a lynch with me on the wrong end, which would be a 100% mislynch. Not only that, we were going round in circles and the D1 didn't exactly go very smoothly either and I really believed a flip would help us. I knew if it flipped town I'd be in trouble, but figured it was a better shot then having myself lynched.
Call it bad play, call it selfish, it was town-motivated which u'll see when you know my allignment.

Eh, I think I buy it. I skipped the first half of D1 but I got the general idea that it was aimless and scum!you would have let town muddle themselves into a corner. Feeling in general that your tone is very repentant townie and that if you're scum you essentially gamethrew.

A breath of fresh air! My poor D1 play aside, my D2 play has been essentially gamethrowing as scum

so 1+1=?

[Iconeum]

emps, your updated scumpool please?

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If only I could see the look on some of the player's faces when they catch up these last few pages

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Ico/FF/cyrus/CC

Ok that's fair enough

1)why not teacher?
2)after my lynch, please go after FF. He has to be on your radar for you blocking him and there being no kill.

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Ico/FF/cyrus/CC

If you still think I'm scum, then who am I scum with here??

Scum with Cyrus? I think you don't believe that.
Scum with FF? Not in a million bloody years, right?
Scum with CC? I guess that's the only possibilty then...

[Iconeum]

Ico/FF/cyrus/CC

If we fucking lynch Iconeum here, will you follow my god damn list???

actually, you follow me and if I'm wrong, you can do whatever.

FF IS LOCKED SCUM.

Don't misrep the situation. He's not lockscum.

[Iconeum]

FF IS MECHANICALLY LOCKED GUYS, PLACE FUCKING VOTES POTATOES

My dude, as much as I fucking want him to be lockscum so we can just lynch him, he's not.

Please explain how it's 100% certain he's scum.

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emps

do you still scumread me?

No, weak scumlean but I was too scared to go against the rest of town

congrats on post 3.000!!!!

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He was literally jailed and nk didn't go through.

If it's the second case where I save, Carl is ALWAYS a threat to FormerFish. Carl was the only one that town read my slot during their exchange on day one AND he's an intelligent player.

Carl always lets cyrus out of a leash, he literally said he can influence cyrus to hop on us this dayphase, it's literally in the thread lmfao

Scum!teacher could target FF because he's a threat as town.
The other scum could have targeted Carl and was saved by you.

FF is many things but not LOCKscum

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Don't get me wrong, if we can get support my vote is going there. All of this heavily incriminates FF and it explains so much of his actions.
If it's true then it really was desperation of my mislynch not working lol

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Like I believe your claim cause scum would never fakeclaim there but you weren't even run up yet?

Icon pointed out my PR soft

Then they started saying I was either PR or Scum

And I believe I would've been the NK tonight even if I didn't claim because we already have a claimed doc

So I thought today would be easier with a conftown with a night action and stuff

To be honest, it felt like you were just unsure about how to play out the role.
I read it as you softing, but didn't push out your claim first. I made 'read this correctly post' and putting you out of my scumpool because of it.

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He was literally jailed and nk didn't go through.

If it's the second case where I save, Carl is ALWAYS a threat to FormerFish. Carl was the only one that town read my slot during their exchange on day one AND he's an intelligent player.

Carl always lets cyrus out of a leash, he literally said he can influence cyrus to hop on us this dayphase, it's literally in the thread lmfao

Scum!teacher could target FF because he's a threat as town.
The other scum could have targeted Carl and was saved by you.

FF is many things but not LOCKscum

Mechanically speaking he should be the lynch today and from your PoV as well, regardless of your role. I don't understand why you're holding back.

He's pushed 3 TOWNS for fuck's sake. Wake up.

I'm just keeping it honest here and calling it what it is.
Trust me, my vote is going there

[Iconeum]

You guys can policy lynch me for the D1 hammer all you want

I think this day was worth it

FF is gonna be pissed I didn't take his bait to self-hammer as town

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emps, names please.

If FF flips scum, who would you lynch next?

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Nah it's not teacher who targeted FF. Scum!teacher would have had us lynched

[Iconeum]

VOTE: FF

[Iconeum]

“To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the
opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.”
― Sun Tzu

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emps is right

what exactly?

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bro

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in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

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it could be jk and vt and you could have made this up in pt

this would be the fastest way to end the game for scum, it's borderline gamethrowing ie. illegal

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Saddest part I actually believe cyrus is town here that got caught following the wrong leads.

can't blame him for being hard-pocketed by FF

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i don't think Cyrus can handle me being town this game

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I think town won't be satisfied unless Iconeum gets flipped which is fucking annoying.

not true

all of emps, Carl and teacher have been showing they are willing to look outside of my lynch here

[Iconeum]

No way FF/you is a scumteam

I think everyone agrees as much

[Iconeum]

FF definitely has higher scum equity from the PR actions but I’m not a fan of how quickly Ico and insom jumped on him, especially since I’d been reading them both town before this. The best justification for them both being town is for frustration towards him in their interactions earlier but I don’t like essentially policy lynching a player who would be valuable if he was town.

you think FF is gonna be a policy lynch?

the only policy that applies is

lynch scum

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Teacher, I never fake claim in that situation. I hate playing scum and would've rather waited to get placed at L-1 and me self-hammering. I always do that. Just stop.

I’m talking pure mechs, not personalities. JK is never a fakeclaim for reasons I can walk through. Doc can be. I don’t think it is here (like I said) but mech can be.

I agree with this. That's what I'm pulling insomnia back on calling it a confscum scenario.

However upon your reread you will see that Insomnia, if scum, made that gamble when it wasn't needed.

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That's correct, but wanna note that Cyrus hinted to both a protective AND an investigative

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I was kinda expecting him to counterclaim one of these

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I was kinda expecting him to counterclaim one of these

I mean that, if anyone was gonna counterclaim, it would be cyrus

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Bro like every time someone softed cop I was like dying inside

Because cop JK not a thing

and yet you hard-townread Cyrus?

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And the timing of it never comes from scum, either.

This is what makes it much more believeable, yes

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Bro like every time someone softed cop I was like dying inside

Because cop JK not a thing

and yet you hard-townread Cyrus?

Uh was I supposed to not

If I placed Cyrus lower I would get pressured

And pressure isn't fun for me as PR

My opinion is that you should never ever fake claim a pr as town. If I'm a pr and see someone faking towards what is an impossible match in game, I counterclaim.
Literally the only player I would be hesitant doing so is Cyrus...

But as a general rule, counterclaim.
Trading 1 power role for 1 scum is always a good trade, even if it doesn't feel like that when you are the pr.

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There's zero need for insomnia to claim what he claimed.
I agree that doc is the optimal claim for the situation, but I would have made it. Not insomnia. If we are the team.

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Mechanically speaking FF is always scum here.

Hahaha, so when I flip town? What then?

we leash both pr's

put a doc on Carl
put a JK on Cyrus or whoever else is considered nr2 town

Forces scum to allow 4 conf town or show their hand by taking out the pr's

[Iconeum]

but i will leave the mech stuff to teacher

it's just my 2 cents

[Iconeum]

I was actually pissed at FF for whatever it's worth. This game has been shitty for me because of him. Turns out he was just obnoxious scum lol. He's mechanically locked and should always be the lynch for today.

Nah this games been shitty because youre shite.

Don't do this. You got caught. Deal with it.

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Like I believe your claim cause scum would never fakeclaim there but you weren't even run up yet?

Why wouldn't scum fake claim here?

This was to emps, not insomnia

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FF never kills cyrus, teacher or an afk slot.

he always goes for Carl in this situation.

It's so fucking clear lmfao

Why wouldn't you save the guy who claimed pr? Didn't feel like a cop was a true claim because you aren't the doc?

That makes sense.

Good question. Insomnia should definitely answer this one.

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in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

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Fuck, even when not 2 goons scum fake claim all the time...

You can bust the fake claim by leashing the doc
Or they don't kill the doc and you save a conftown like carl

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it could be jk and vt and you could have made this up in pt

this would be the fastest way to end the game for scum, it's borderline gamethrowing ie. illegal

This is not true at all. Scum when 2 goons are present fake claim all the time. It's like built into the 1 town PR set ups.

It is not illegal at all for scum to fake claim. The fuck are you talking about?

I believe RC said that its practically impossible for scum to win C3 without fakeclaiming, and theyre able to fakeclaim in C1 and C2

I'm not dismissing the possibility of a fake claim doc here. But we need to consider how likely/unlikely it is.

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I am so glad i missed EoD1. I so wouldve CCed that.

right you weren't here. that explains it

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Scum aren't going to let 2 protectives live.
Doc saves the JK, JK does whatever they feel like

emps claim is Always real here, so he lives on D3 as conftown. I would suggest JK on Carl, that makes 2 conftown on D3.
Force scum hand to start killing the pr's, doc first. They simply cannot affort having those 2 alive much longer.

If insomnia lives, and FF flipped town, alarms go off surrounding the doc claim

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Are you still scumreading Ico FF?

Yes. This is all scum theater and it's just icon and insom.

holding on to this is basicly a scum claim

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in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

If we are in column c then one of you gets a fake claim and doesn't get cc'ed. So insom is clear now and you guys go hunting for 2 mislynches.

And with a doc you can now help yourself fake results to get mislynches.

How convenient.

I was at L-1 for ages this game. Literally 1 post away from being lynched for the majority of early D2. Why didn't I claim the doc there and then?

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in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

If we are in column c then one of you gets a fake claim and doesn't get cc'ed. So insom is clear now and you guys go hunting for 2 mislynches.

And with a doc you can now help yourself fake results to get mislynches.

How convenient.

I was at L-1 for ages this game. Literally 1 post away from being lynched for the majority of early D2. Why didn't I claim the doc there and then?

[Iconeum]

I know right. At the very least you'll have to drop the Ico/Insomnia scumteam

[Iconeum]

“Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.”
― Sun Tzu

[Iconeum]

I know right. At the very least you'll have to drop the Ico/Insomnia scumteam

Why? Him claiming helps you both.

answer my other question first, regarding my L-1 and no claiming

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in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

If we are in column c then one of you gets a fake claim and doesn't get cc'ed. So insom is clear now and you guys go hunting for 2 mislynches.

And with a doc you can now help yourself fake results to get mislynches.

How convenient.

I was at L-1 for ages this game. Literally 1 post away from being lynched for the majority of early D2. Why didn't I claim the doc there and then?

It's a simple question to answer, no?

You expect scum to claim what was claimed, why didn't I claim it when under immediate threat then?

[Iconeum]

“Wheels of justice gind slow but grind fine”
― Sun Tzu

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FF, you know you ain't getting out of answering my question, right?

[Iconeum]

“Conform to the enemy's tactics until a favorable opportunity offers; then come forth and engage in a battle that shall prove decisive.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[Iconeum]

in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

If we are in column c then one of you gets a fake claim and doesn't get cc'ed. So insom is clear now and you guys go hunting for 2 mislynches.

And with a doc you can now help yourself fake results to get mislynches.

How convenient.

I was at L-1 for ages this game. Literally 1 post away from being lynched for the majority of early D2. Why didn't I claim the doc there and then?

It's a simple question to answer, no?

You expect scum to claim what was claimed, why didn't I claim it when under immediate threat then?

[Iconeum]

I'm done for today anyway, i'll catch up tomorrow

[Iconeum]

Kinda want someone out of this bickering trio to bounce ideas off of

i think it's a good idea to let this rest and have the input from the others, too

everything's been said and done, I feel FF comes out at the bottom of the exchange but there are many opinions to be considered.
exciting stuff

[Iconeum]

FF is on L-1 btw

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Or is it L-2?

votecount please

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There arent many scumteams that make sense

Im gonna say it

I think a cyrus ff team is more likely then teacher ff

Oh God

[Iconeum]

10 new pages let me get on that

[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

i like how he said he will be here day 3 not scared of the nk at all i cant be sure i will

but he said see you day 3

any way hes at l2 so i can grin two things from this and right now i am getting on reaction so i may already have what i want

yes i had a plan and i cant act on it insom has basocly prodoge 3 days now so if hes at l1 he will have to defend him self thats all i want

you want the god honest truth the only 2 people at this point i think are town are fish and carl but yours and insom lack of dpong things blocks me all i wanted from arc was to get him tp talk and you killed him

you want the god honest truth the only 2 people at this point i think are town are fish and carl but yours and insom

lack of dpong

things blocks me all i wanted from arc was to get him tp talk and you killed him

what does the bolded mean?

i want insoms reaction on what he dose when hes at l1 now you blow my plan to save you ok so yea i was trying to see if he turnd on you or not bolded lack of doing things

yes run back to pt to tell him . your proveing fish right

go ahead emps if icon hammers i shows more he is scum

this is every thing posted right before insom said he was doc look at the time stamps and your see icon/emps/insom had enough time to talk in pt i honestly think emps tracker is true but i dont think insom is doctor

First off, talking about that kind of timing is bullshit. Your read that there are 2 scum in Ico/Emps/Insomnia is also bad.

i want to take the fall right now so can we get some votes on me since the self till 4 people votey said fish and i are partners i will prove it by fliping town . i cant hang my self till 4 people vote so lets get thorse votes in maybe fish can live though the night if i go willingly in to the dark to [prove they are lieing.

Lynching you proves nothing, and gives little information. You are not the lynch today, ever.

I will do the casing.

Icon, if you are town, what about a teacher/Insom team and all the hate on FL was just theater?

If you are actually town, then teacher/Insom makes most sense.

People thought cop was claimed.

Cop/neo
Cop/doc
Cop/tracker

Those are all the set ups a cop could be with another pr. Why does he only say something about the tracker? I think its because he was trying to see if a tracker was in the game, because Insom knows that they are in C3 because of the two goons, and making sure there isnt a tracker means that there isnt a doc and that that is a safe fake claim.

I like this post a lot, and hadn't considered this perspective. It makes sense for a scum!Insomn to play this way.

even if you are doc you cant be 100% sure your see day 3 yet insom said see you day 3 . that sticks out like a sore thumb

Nah, he said that pre-claim. In no way of form are scum killing an unclaimed Insomnia this game.

If there is a jk and a doc on the town side there is a role blocker on the scum side. Icons plan doesnt even mention a role blocker, because he forgot about the lie when he made that post and wouldnt mention something that doesnt exist in this game, like a role blocker.

Or that ico isnt that great at thinking through mechs on the fly, which is why he was pointing towards me.

FF, serious question, your whole postulate assumes an Iso-Ico team right? So why isnt the solve to lynch you, then insomnia (who is the only player I am ever voting if you flip town), then Ico and win? Like...........?

I think this is the way to go. Lynch in FF/insomnia.

can we just kill me ok

Don't you wanna be alive for when we break the record? You have so much to live for!!

can we just kill me ok

Scum is very rarely going to kill you in games. You are going to be fighting off a lot of attempted mislynches and town not playhing well.

damn roasted

This game has gotten so much better these past few days, I really wanna thank all of you for making this happen

The War and Peace/Art of War conversation was legendary.

glad I was part of it / there's no way a scum!cyrus fakes something like that though. If that was scumplay, then just wow

Hey Emps. Time to pick sides.

Axis- icon/insom/teacher

Allies- FF/CY/Carl

Canada- CC

For some reason I also very much like this post. It shows the game from FF perspective in an interesting way.

[builds eight infantry in Karelia SSR]

This game feels longer then some A&A games I've played… and that's saying something.

btw emps keep in mind insom and icon would have hung you if we would have gone with thire case on you

Not gonna speak for insomn here, but I would have. I said as much in game. There's no shame in persuing your scumread to the rope, I don't know why you try to make this a bad thing?
Especially considering this happened pre claim. I completely turned my emps read around based on the claim, and I'd never have lynched emps after the claim.

Formerfish yes, you were the experienced player in one of my first newbie games here

I'm sad to say I haven't learned much since then

I think these are my favorite quotes from this who game so far (except when Icon tried to tell people that fake claiming was considered gamethrowing and is illegal, that shit was banana).

See in April of 2019 a game started The Climax, this game featured none other than yours truly and Icon. I was in the game as an SE (I know its crazy that Icon and Insom were bragging about being big bad SEs and I was Icons SE in one of his newbie games! CRAZY!!!) and Icon was obviously a newb.

Town was brought to endgame by myself and 2 other players after I had run a successful gambit to call scum out in the same way I made an attempt to this game with CC (before teacher stepped in!)

Icon did well and was killed n3 as a VT. Town endgamed with both PRs still alive.

So he says that he hasnt gotten better, and in that game I put on a demonstration on how town wins.

Now here he wants you all to believe that he is some sort of next gen player who caught me in some shit. The most they have is that i pushed Arc to a claim, which Icon said "fuck that" to when he fearhammered, and I have pushed icon and insom, who havent flipped as far as I remember, so saying ive pushed 3 townies as insom claimed is a bit incorrect and premature.

This post I like much much less. It's a complete misrep on me, yet again.
First you quote me on saying I don't feel like I'm a good player, and in the same post you are trying to make it appear that I'm acting like a 'next gen player'??

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There has to be scum in Insomnia/FF. I don't see how anything else is even remotely likely.

Discussion about which one to go for first, which one is more likely to flip scum should be the center of attention right now imo.

[Iconeum]

My stance is lynching FF, and if this flips town I will help in lynching insomnia next day.

Post-flip associations are less important, but should be used to determine which of the 2 is more likely scum here

[Iconeum]

My stance is lynching FF, and if this flips town I will help in lynching insomnia next day.

Post-flip associations are less important, but should be used to determine which of the 2 is more likely scum here

Insom goes first, I already showed why.

I agree that it's a possible fakeclaim. But it doesn't

have to be

. You were JK'd, so were either stopped from kill or saved.
Do I lynch a potential pr, who I was townreading most of this game? Or do I lynch the player who seems likely to be scum by Night Action Result?

For a second I thought we were gonna see an epic heel turn where Iconeum runs to the other side of the ring, tags in for Cyrus and delivers a flying crane knee to insomnia’s chest, sending him flying right into Formerfish’s astonished yet ready grip for an incredible takedown well worth the $9.95USD + shipping and handling.
Alas, not to be.

What the fuck is this commentrary carl lol

This day should never end

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For a second I thought we were gonna see an epic heel turn where Iconeum runs to the other side of the ring, tags in for Cyrus and delivers a flying crane knee to insomnia’s chest, sending him flying right into Formerfish’s astonished yet ready grip for an incredible takedown well worth the $9.95USD + shipping and handling.
Alas, not to be.

hey i thoight maybe icon seen the light man .i realy did was going to post i can see clearly now

I wish we'd see more Clearly now

[Iconeum]

I believe an un-CC'd doc claim shouldn't be lynched over FF here. If FF flips town, then sure.

[Iconeum]

complete misrep

What exactly is the "complete misrepresentation" that I have expressed?

Saying that I'm trying to make it look like I'm some kind of 'next level player', i've done no such thing.

[Iconeum]

Ff flips town

-----> lynch insom, then teacher

Ff flips scum

Carl, ico, insom and i all town

One of us should die

3 conftown in a 5-1
We lynch in cc, cyrus, teacher.

If its a 6-1 because im a godly JK i belive

We autowin.

feels good

[Iconeum]

If FF/insom is T/T we autolose p muchIf Carl is a deepwolf we autolose p much.

If any of these are the case then I'll take the loss

[Iconeum]

any way this games been a blast . had fun thank you all . sorry it has to end this way . forces every one to vote me and rides off in to the sun set

Nightcore - Never Gonna Happen

[Iconeum]

any way this games been a blast . had fun thank you all . sorry it has to end this way . forces every one to vote me and rides off in to the sun set

What are you hoping to achieve here? Saving FF?

[Iconeum]

If you lynch me, insom has to be right or game over.And you are the night kill tonight. Like hands down you die. You realize that right? It's not one of 4 people. It's you bro.My outline is what is going to happen. Believe it or not, it will come to pass.

This is true for any lynch. If we mislynch today, tomorrow has to be correct. If we lynch insomnia as town, we not only lynched the doc but it's still LYLO.

[Iconeum]

Emps, if there is doc and JK, doc is gonna be roleblocked and you die because JK is too strong.
If insomnia is faking, you are the sole pr that managed to stop the N1 kill. You are dead anyway...

[Iconeum]

But you know that already don't you?

I cannot believe town!you is still this insistent on a scumteam of insomnia/Icon
That's never a possibility

That you say insom/Ico is S/T, sure. I don't buy this read that you keep persisiting on, but I know you have no other choice

[Iconeum]

That's why you never mentioned a role blocker in your plan for actions tonight.

Yes because this is the only possible explanation, right? Your view is so uptight I can't believe it's town

[Iconeum]

there is no doctor. Even if there were a doctor that means there is a role blocker. If there is a role blocker you need to find him today. I'm not him. Insom has claimed doc.There is no doctor. Insom is lying.

There's literally no proof of this. You also fail to realize that I WOULD HAVE CLAIMED IT, LONG LONG LONG TIME AGO if we were the scumteam.

[Iconeum]

there is no doctor. Even if there were a doctor that means there is a role blocker. If there is a role blocker you need to find him today. I'm not him. Insom has claimed doc.There is no doctor. Insom is lying.

From your PoV, insomnia is fake claiming as scum, with me as buddy. However if you are town, you should be considering the possibility of a town!insomnia at the very least.
Which means you should be trying to lynch me over insomnia, just in case you are wrong on one of us you don't accidently lynch the doc.

You make no sense by going for insomnia

[Iconeum]

no i am trying to die a hero i already said i was scum damn it

you wanna be a hero? vote for FF

[Iconeum]

You need to stop selling this story like it's a confirmed thing insomnia is fake claiming.

[Iconeum]

Just like insomnia needed to stop selling the story FF is confirmed scum

[Iconeum]

I go where I think I'm most likely going to hit scum.

Which you've already extensively covered is a team of insomnia/myself

And you are willing to risk a doc, instead of going for a safer lynch in what you consider caught scum, me

[Iconeum]

You need to stop selling this story like it's a confirmed thing insomnia is fake claiming.

Oh I'm sorry, where is all the hard evidence for your theories?

You don't have any either? So all your claims are just stories as well?

I can't prove a damned thing, and I'm not selling it like it is. You on the other hand, are saying it's CONFIRMED SCUM. It isn't. It just isn't. Stop pretending it is.

[Iconeum]

The fact that you're trying to get me off him tell me he's probably the scum pr. And you don't want me to kill the scum or do you?

And what endgame do I as scum have by doing this? If I draw your lynch on myself, insomnia is still getting lynched tomorrow. That's not a scum play.
If insomnia and me are scum, we would be trying to get you to lynch elsewhere

[Iconeum]

The fact that FF is pushing insomnia over me gives me confidence that doc is real.
A town!FF would go for the safer lynch of myself, and if I flip scum he can confidently push insomnia based on his reads.

Pushing insomnia over me is inherently riskier, and unnecessary for a town to do. Simply because there IS a chance insomnia is actually town doc, from a town!FF perspective.

[Iconeum]

However, a scum!FF stuck in a 1v1 between him and insomnia is Always pushing insomnia. If he can get a doc lynch over himself, it's a good deal.

So we have no town equity in his play, but plenty scum equity. I've made up my mind, FF first and if town THEN we reconsider insomnia. Not the other way around.

[Iconeum]

Uhm

Can we like talk about these scumclaims cyrus is pulling out

Like wtf cyrus

ignore the troll, it's not helpfull what he's doing but I doubt it's an actual scumclaim

[Iconeum]

I'd like to focus more on the motives FF has for pushing insomnia over myself here

[Iconeum]

Good thing no one gives a shit what you think, innit?

There was a time this was true. Alas, time's are a changin

[Iconeum]

Wanna know why I didn't mention a roleblocker? I hadn't considered the possibility of there being one yet

[Iconeum]

well ff what is either hes not a pr scum or he is cant be both if the doc is fake there is no roleblocker but if its not fake there is but and i ask this to all of you . lets look at this if not icon . who would insom be working with. if fish who would fish be working with. find the partner 1st and then we look back at fish and insom . scarey what if its carl and teacher

if it's carl and teacher, this game is a scum victory.

insomnia can very well be working with teacher here
FF can be teamed with Cyrus/CC, CC being the more likely one

Pre flip associations are tough, and this game isn't making much sense for making teams in any combination really

[Iconeum]

It's weird how well you two work together as scum. Like eerie weird. Like if you guys aren't scum then this type of game never happens.

Just a terrible post in general

You should Always be the first to go in the insomnia/FF bracket

But don't worry, IF you are town then insomnia will be investigated tomorrow

[Iconeum]

Thats why youre pushing so hard. If you take the hit insom tries to ride his doc claim to an endgame situation.

This is simply untrue, and you know it. If I flip scum, you are ALWAYS pushing insomnia next day. Always. 100% of the time, save for a guilty or clear.
There is NO benefit for me to set up a 1v1 between you and my 'buddy'. Especially not the one you think is the pr.

And I am helping set up a 1v1 between you 2. I don't want you to lynch me. I'm doubting your motives for not pushing me, but insomnia here.
Your eagerness to lynch the doc over your other 'caught' scum is what gives you away here.

[Iconeum]

Investigated by who?

by everyone

[Iconeum]

Don't worry, if you really are town we will lynch insomnia tomorrow

[Iconeum]

im just going to thow this out here but what if we all aim for teach see what insom dose then we dont lynch him but see what happens when teach sees hes l1

teacher is never going to be the lynch today, either
it's not a usefull flip
there's no point in running him up until we have information from insomnia/FF bracket

[Iconeum]

So the offer for your head isn't valid anymore?

please quote me where i'm offering you my head instead of insomnia's

[Iconeum]

Strange that you care so much about insom, but you never even gave Arc the opportunity to claim before you hammered.

Good thing he wasnt the doctor. Not that I think insom is either.

already explained this a dozen times.

Scumread v townread

[Iconeum]

It’s so sad you’re so outed that you don’t even re-evaluate and want to lynch an uncc’d doc

Cyrus, you’re going to get lynched right after FF for playing so poorly

If FF flips town Cyrus isn't getting lynched. You are.

[Iconeum]

We can party after the game to celebrate the record, for now it doesn't feel like something to be proud of yet

[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

That lolhammer comes from town like 80+ percent of the time in my experience.

Also insomnia tunnels like this and has terrible reads as any alignment. I can’t come up with a strong scum motivation to push a claimed VT this hard early day two though.

I’m a pretty strong believer in one-on, one-off a town wagon D1. I have Carl as soul-town. I am pretty strongly that way on fish.

Personally, I’d lynch sleepless RN for total lack of, well, anything.

VOTE: sleep

Why would I not push a claimed VT, like FL would risk claiming PR and getting into a CC battle in a newbie. Mafia are more likely to claim mafia anyway.

Take the time to read. I said I can’t come up with a SCUM motivation to push a claimed vt. Meaning I don’t think scum!you would gunnel me. It had nothing to do with my alignment, but rather go your actions are furthering my reads.

Fish I’m not sure how after my entry to the day you thought I’d be on your side.

Like sure I’d consider insomnia, but that’s actually fairly low for me.

My preferred order is sleep-cyrus-insomnia.

I really strongly disagree on the hammer.

Insomnia I could see but then why push me early D2. I can have some narrative but not much.

I want to have Sleepy actually interact. The slot got a day one pass but can’t skate to mylo with only one game relevant post.

After sorting that I’ll get back to you about insomnia.

Can you explain your icon tr, since you have him as top tr and I have him as lock scum?

I reread the iso over night and see the hammer as heavily town.

I’m going to flip my read on Ico now.

I thought the hammer could be a PR hiding. It’s how I’ve seen it a lot - a guaranteed way to avoid the nk since scum knows they’ll be under suspicion tomorrow.

I was trying not to give that reasoning, and also avoid a wagon building on Ico today, so I started to soft cop by moving him unreasonably up in my readslist and saying 10-4.

But apparently he’s just scum or selfish town that would rather lolhammer and risk pr than lose his own life as a vt.

intent after the replacement arrives.

And it gets rid of the tracker fakeclaim strategy that Colin C scum like. But I don’t feel strongly and think further discussion should wait for all slots.

because the writing is on the wall. We need sleepy's replacement to get in.

FF, if youre around, want to explain why you think Cyrus might have been saved? I cant imagine a world where scum targets him. They target Carl in most worlds, and you in the remainder.

Speaking of which, while we are waiting I promised a little bit of maths:

For the tracker claim strategy, I will refer you to a post made long ago in my history when the tracker claim was a more active part of the newb queue. I am glad that it is gone. But here that post is. Obviously the situation here is slightly different -- it is way more likely we are in B2 or C3 than B1 from the lack of nightkill. Even so, in C3, the claimed tracker gets protection and results. In B2, they likely dont get results, but we can solve around a known!town slot. Im more agnostic here depending on the trackers readslists position.

For the neap claim strategy, I will write the posts: neap only exists in A1 and B2. In A1, we get 2 conf!towns out of the claim (or even better, conf!scum), and the claim leaves the cop less likely to be RBed/killed. In B2, its even better, since we get the same 2 conf!towns and a guarantee of another result because the claimed neap will be protected by the doc. Given the lack of nightkill, if a neap exists at all, it is more likely we are in B2, so would lean towards a claim and public results.

One final maths point in general - it is statistically more likely for a JK to stop the killer than stop the kill in the abstract. But that abstract math matters less than does the JK's ACTUAL reasoning regarding their target.

I want to sort sleepless and see no harm in letting this sit. Its not like he's slithering out of the rope.

You showed up and hammered without intent, a claim, or serious deadline pressure.

You’ve said you did it purely to avoid a lynch in yourself.

If you explained why that’s not selfish survivalism, I missed it. And I reread your iso. So please point me the right direction.

There is no benefit to anyone other than insomnia/neap/tracker claiming. None.

And welcome.

Short version: Ico D1 lolhammered as Vt. No nk. Neap should claim mechanically. Everything else you’re on your own.

Alright. Ico is the lynch.

I’d personally prefer clarity get a chance to skim and dive and get a readslist out today. But I’m not going to be a stick in the mud if you all disagree.

Not going to vote til CC gives the go sign.

There is a nearly perfect mech solution to this that Carl may just have spoiled, unless it’s his blind faith in Cyrus being town.

I just got out of my test but will talk through it. Basically FF eats rope, then insomnia if FF flips town. Because Scum!iso only doc claims if he is partnered w ICO. Otherwise a vt claim likely flips the lynch back to Ico as Cyrus said.

teach has been super strange this whole game so he said if ff flips town he gos back to icon not insom just something you and icon need to think about teach was saveing insom the whole time

This is factually incorrect, and you even quoted it.

Teacher literally says that, if FF flips town, he goes after insomnia. Not me.

[Iconeum]

There is a nearly perfect mech solution to this that Carl may just have spoiled, unless it’s his blind faith in Cyrus being town.

I just got out of my test but will talk through it.

Basically FF eats rope, then insomnia if FF flips town

. Because Scum!iso only doc claims if he is partnered w ICO. Otherwise a vt claim likely flips the lynch back to Ico as Cyrus said.

[Iconeum]

Sorry, you indicated you felt I should vote you over him.

yes, big difference

I'm questioning your motives for choosing insomnia over myself, and they are more scum motivated then town.

[Iconeum]

Actual footage of this fight featuring:

FormerFish as Darth Maul
Iconeum as Obi Wan
Insomnia as Anakin

[Iconeum]

*Star wars Darth Maul Lightsaber duel vs Obi Wan and Anakin, emps

[Iconeum]

We need an editor in here to get our avators over the heads in that fight, it would be briljant.
Anyone?

PLEASE?

[Iconeum]

p-top?

[Iconeum]

Hey guys don't lynch FF while I'm getting bullied by plane bye last post for like 12 hours don't leave me with like 50 pages to catchup on

this cannot be guaranteed, nor expected

[Iconeum]

We all the know the true victor of this game is the one who has most pagetops at the end

[Iconeum]

Then icon getting in the middle of it negatively affected your Gambit.If he didn't break it up that means you were going to claim it was a fake at the time you did.If he doesn't pressure you the Gambit goes on for a bit and we get reactions. He stopped you from getting the reactions you wanted and limited itbto just Cyrus.

result does not equel intent

[Iconeum]

You guys go hang out in your pt for a bit?

I'm feeling lonely out here.

It's cool. You guys chat in there. No me to worry about is there?

gotta make the most of it, ya know

[Iconeum]

You guys get to it. Have fun planning your friends funeral.

You seem to still be in denial. That's ok. It's normal.

[Iconeum]

Cyrus, you are misreading that post.

It says that teacher wants FF lynched first, and if town, teacher wants insomnia lynched. Not me.

[Iconeum]

Basically FF eats rope, then insomnia if FF flips town.

[Iconeum]

You scum read me for posting when I wake up and

when I reveal doc and prove how FF is mechanically scum locked

, you aren’t voting there.

more posts like this and I might change my mind

[Iconeum]

i have the right to vote where i want i know its you and teach

even after I just proved you misread teacher post?

[Iconeum]

icon is innocent sorry icon for doubting you but i did unvote you becuse i couldnt see you as scum

did you see where you misunderstand what teacher wrote?

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

icon trust me teachers order is fish insom you

if teacher is scum, and his buddies arent you/me/FF AND insomnia, then you are assuming a scumteam of

teacher/Arc
teacher/CC

I doubt these scenarios very much

Also, one of the above doesn't need 3 mislynches, only 2. So yes, one of the above teams will win by lynching FF and then insomn or vice versa.

[Iconeum]

'tis a game of chance

[Iconeum]

There is NO scenario in which we are CERTAIN of victory. None.

Both FF and insomnia are selling a story that they have confirmed scum in each other, neither is correct. There is absolutely NO way we know which one, if any, are lying. We can deduct, sense, gamble, enquire, feel, run numbers. But in the end, certainty is not something we will have.

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or its teach and insom. look how mad insom got when i said that you think he be happy i didnt say you but he got pisst when i said him and teach.


pre edit unless your scum

Even with a teacher/insomnia scumteam we are in pretty decent shape, I think.
We lynch FF today, let's assume emps (likely) is the NK.

That gives us a D3 of 4v2, and we lynch insomnia.

D4 is probably 2v1, where teacher is the most likely suspect.

[Iconeum]

He came into the day swinging at Iconeum and when I am revealed and confirmed, he switches his vote to me to take a PR out before he eats noose.

This is why FF is the lynch today, not insomnia.

[Iconeum]

insomnia, chill out on Cyrus. He's playing well, and is one of the players who's at least reconsidering his thoughts on the matter. Give him some credit, will ya?
We know his posting is... different. But he also makes good points and there's no need calling him anything.

[Iconeum]

im surgesting i teacher lynch if he comes back town fine you were right its fish . but what if im right

I know you want teacher lynched now, but it's not the optimal play here. Insomnia/FF is going to be the lynch.

[Iconeum]

But why would we risk a potential DOC first? It's not like we are letting scum get away with a fake claim, they'd still die tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: teacher thinking out of the box if you want to kill fish so bad get some one else to prove me wrong but if fish flips town i bet its teach

If you want to work together with town, then we are killing FF today. IF we are wrong, then insomnia (the other half of your scumreads) gets killed tomorrow.
If FF flips scum, then teacher is UNLIKELY to be scum. Agreed?

[Iconeum]

That's a good reason for you, Cyrus, to help us lynch FF today. You will get confirmation on your scumreads read either way.

[Iconeum]

insom insulted me i gave you a chance unlike fish i looking at others fish seems town why wouldnt scum fish just follow your leads and go for emps ? that would have been a easy lynch

because scum!fish can't just let his scumreads from end of day 1 disappear. He HAS to follow up on me and insomnia.
insom insulted you, yes.

Formerfish has insulted insomnia and myself on dozens of occasions this game.
Insomnia has insulted FF on multiple occasions this game.

You were very annoying to us at end of day 1.

Shit happens. Don't let them cover your mind, and do what is optimal to win.

[Iconeum]

insted fish gos for a harder lynch

Only fish isn't going for a harder lynch.
He's going for a lynch that he thought would be auto by the end of day 1. And much for early D2.
The lynch turned out harder then he could possibly have thought, and is now stuck in a 1v1 to the death with his scumread.

Because he refused to reconsider anything that happened, unlike you. He refused to even CONSIDER the possibility of a towndoc claim from insomnia. NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY.

Like someone before mentioned, we have to account for the chance it's a fake claim. Not account for the fact that it might NOT be a fake claim. One is a town mindset, the other not.

Lynch FF today, get information from his flip, work with information tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

He's locked into scum reading me, he should've re-evaluated or kept his vote on Ico from his perspective

It literally makes no sense for a town!FF to use the claim as evidence that it's scum.

[Iconeum]

I insult every player that's playing poorly, sorry.

Disagree, I think Cyrus is actually playing pretty good now that he got his head out of his icon/insomnia tunnel

[Iconeum]

Ur just salty he is scumreading you :p

[Iconeum]

Ok Cyrus, I know you are not gonna listen to your scumread here, but please take it from me now that you townread me:

If you think that teacher/insomnia are the scumteam

Why would teacher want to lynch HIS BUDDY after FF flips town?
That doesn't make sense for a scumteam, right?

[Iconeum]

Even the simple fact that FF was willing to kill himself by self-voting is a good sign FF is likely scum. Town doesn't give up when pressured by their scumreads.

[Iconeum]

insom is jerk fish is nice

Unfortunately, I believe FF was being intentionally super-nice to you in an attempt to pocket you.
Insom being a jerk, while this is true, does not equal him being scum.

Insom is being a jerk to you because he's probably town and annoyed that you still scumread him despite what he says. It's bad, I know. But it's also more town then scum.

[Iconeum]

Being a jerk is not alignment indicative.

That's what I'm saying, but it doesn't help in people townreading you either

[Iconeum]

i know im dead if i vote fish

there's 2 claimed PR's out there. You are never being lynched over them.
Even if insom is faking, they take out the jailkeeper emps because he already blocked 1 kill. You are very likely to survive the night.

[Iconeum]

one name rob. rob . unless fish is right.

explain this post right now

[Iconeum]

can you like, link his profile?

[Iconeum]

It's important.

Cyrus has to either link the profile, or write down the exact name so we can find him.

It's important.

[Iconeum]

it's most definitely not a joke.

I cannot be clear enough about this. I want an anwer.

[Iconeum]

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=13986

nothing to see here

carry on

[Iconeum]

I won't be going in explaining what I was thinking or why it was important.
It's also not very game related.

Carry on

[Iconeum]

what

I believe insomnia's attitude isn't allignment telling. It's not because he is being rude that he is scum.
This isn't a game where town acts nice and scum act isn't nice

[Iconeum]

i really want to win this game

[Iconeum]

only one way to do this

[Iconeum]

@mod and players, VLA for the weekend

[Iconeum]

still about 3-4 hours of playtime though

should be good for another ten pages or so

[Iconeum]

i want to be 100% sure before i hammer ok your trying to get me to vote and quick hammer so you can lynch me tommrow im not dumb

You can't hammer. We need THREE more votes on EITHER wagon for a lynch. YOU CANNOT HAMMER.
Also as I've said before. You are NEVER going to be 100% certain. Ever.

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but is fish was the nk and emps jailed him then it would prevent him from dieing

OMG i'm so glad you posted this

i'm now not moving my vote off of Fish anymore. Scum are never killing Fish, they need him to push the mislynch on myself and insomnia. Always. They could EASILY let Fish live, and go after someone like Carl or Cyrus, Townread slots and one also was a claimed pr.

I know I'm town, that's why i'm confident scum are not killing Fish because they know he's gonna push the mislynch.
It's much much more likely that Carl got saved, or that Fish was blocked. It's just so much more likely.

Does anyone have any objections left that we lynch FF over insomnia today?

[Iconeum]

ha 2 votes

ur right, 2 votes. Emps voted too.

[Iconeum]

why would you save carl over me when i hard climed cop? then start day one with if icon and i were scum we would have killed cyrus.

this has already been discussed, and answered.

short version: you literally said you were trying to bait the NK before the day ended

[Iconeum]

I'm ready for this day to end now

[Iconeum]

Cyrus, you are running out of excuses to not vote Fish

[Iconeum]

heres another queston why is fish staying at l2 if i dont vote him

sure

why is insomnia only at l-3 if it's confirmed scum?

[Iconeum]

fyi insom you try to kiss me i knife ya i dont let men touch me

you have 1 choice to make today:

either you help lynching Fish (who has an even chance of being blocked from killing N1)
or you help lynching insomnia (who is a claimed doc)

If you strongly believe insomn and me are scum, you should be voting insomnia. Because we are the ONLY ones likely to kill Fish.
If you think that there's town between us, you are better off voting Fish and leave sorting the doc for tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

icon if your trying to say im scum you are barking up the wrong tree . i dont vote with out a solid case so im waiting on teach to make one

sometimes I just wonder what's going through your head when reading all of this

[Iconeum]

You were using the lack of votes on Fish as a reason he's town

I countered you by saying there's also a lack of votes on insomnia, but you refuse to apply the same reasoning here? Even worse, you think that's me calling you scum? Please...

[Iconeum]

top

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gee try to help a guy and he sttabs you iin the back its like omg we need to end this as fast as we can. im voteing teacher

yes good call let's end this as fast as we can by voting a slot that NOBODY ELSE is goint to vote today.

[Iconeum]

Cyrus, the only way you are usefull here is by voting in either insomnia or Fish.
If you choose insomnia, I don't agree with it, but at least it will further the game.

A vote on teacher right now is wasted

[Iconeum]

yes good call let's end this as fast as we can by voting a slot that NOBODY ELSE is goint to vote today

I misread cyrus's post... sorry

[Iconeum]

He thought you were saying they are both scum because town aren't voting me, which might've been an actual scum slip, but I cba with figuring it out, FF is locked scum.

where you been my votes on teacher not you . anit voteing fish with no case

go read back. Teacher already made that case
the last 100 fucking pages or so are the case, as well.

Both insomnia's and mine ISO's last entire days are filled with posts on why FF is scum.
Don't you dare tell us there isn't a case on FF.

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presure them like you doing me im sure they will fold faster . leos dont just give in

Don't tell me you are waiting for a case on FF before voting there, because there's a TON of posts already dedicated to casing him and saying why he's scum. What more do you want?

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Either agree with the case and posts on him, and vote there.
Or disagree, say what's wrong with them and why FF is still town, and vote insomnia.

[Iconeum]

I think Cyrus just ran to the pt to talk to his buddy and see if he can use any other excuses to delay voting on fish

[Iconeum]

I think Cyrus just ran to the pt to talk to his buddy and see if he can use any other excuses to delay voting on fish

Before you go mad over this, I made this post not in earnest. It's a way of showing you how much these type of posts really suck when you are on the receiving end of them.

Or not?

[Iconeum]

Icon's plan to win game:

Step 1

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Step 2 is easy too

[Iconeum]

But it depends on flips

[Iconeum]

This deserves a pagetop


trust me

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

What did the fish say when it ran into a wall?

Spoiler:

dam

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Formerfish yes, you were the experienced player in one of my first newbie games here

I'm sad to say I haven't learned much since then

I think these are my favorite quotes from this who game so far (except when Icon tried to tell people that fake claiming was considered gamethrowing and is illegal, that shit was banana).

See in April of 2019 a game started The Climax, this game featured none other than yours truly and Icon. I was in the game as an SE (I know its crazy that Icon and Insom were bragging about being big bad SEs and I was Icons SE in one of his newbie games! CRAZY!!!) and Icon was obviously a newb.

Town was brought to endgame by myself and 2 other players after I had run a successful gambit to call scum out in the same way I made an attempt to this game with CC (before teacher stepped in!)

Icon did well and was killed n3 as a VT. Town endgamed with both PRs still alive.

So he says that he hasnt gotten better, and in that game I put on a demonstration on how town wins.

Now here he wants you all to believe that he is some sort of next gen player who caught me in some shit. The most they have is that i pushed Arc to a claim, which Icon said "fuck that" to when he fearhammered, and I have pushed icon and insom, who havent flipped as far as I remember, so saying ive pushed 3 townies as insom claimed is a bit incorrect and premature.

By the way, interesting game you bring up here. Notice any similarities with my town play that game?
Things like going against players who think have a mechanical lock on the game?

Posts 956 - 958 - 963 - 964 are some good examples

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nice to see you two having fun btw im going hit the hay i notist that despite being nice giving you the benefit of a doubt you still talk trash so yea instead of getting in tp a pissing match with the two of you im just going to go bte sucky charger is blow


again i dont hide

ehm bro, you've been nothing

but

talk trash to insomnia and me for the majority of this game

You know what they say?

[Iconeum]

Vote FF, get this day over with, and we can continue tomorrow

I'm pretty sure this game isn't gonna have 10+ pages per day without the insom/Ico v FF duels