Newbie 1942: PTTHI1942 [game over]

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>97 pages

I regret everything.

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I've seen you do that gambit before and it wouldn't have worked on me regardless, FF.

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Read or don't read?

Please say don't read

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Short version: Ico D1 lolhammered as Vt. No nk. Neap should claim mechanically. Everything else you’re on your own.

Hey, thanks for the Sparknotes

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Scum points? What?

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You realize thats what I was baiting out right? Like is CC was scum she would have assumed sleep had claimed he was a pr but not which one and she might have claimed something.

Considering that since you claimed my predecessor claimed "a PR" but not specifically which PR it is, I wasn't going to just claim anything at the risk of contradicting them, alignment otherwise.

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I'll try re-reading from around the end of D1 to around now and skip anything I consider waffle. Because I definitely saw a lot of that when I was following the game.

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You realize thats what I was baiting out right? Like is CC was scum she would have assumed sleep had claimed he was a pr but not which one and she might have claimed something.

Considering that since you claimed my predecessor claimed "a PR" but not specifically which PR it is, I wasn't going to just claim anything at the risk of contradicting them, alignment otherwise.

Well, weve been claiming nonvt or vt to see if anyone wants to clear icon, which was the only way he was living through today.

We should be lynching Icon for hammering on an unclaimed slot with 4 days left on the clock, where the joined all of his scum reads to lynch a vt because one person mentioned they might want to vote for Icon, so he panicked, and hammered.

Why are we massclaiming just to clear a single slot?

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No clears from me — pun unintended.

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becuse right now we know the scum team is and keep in mind some of this comes from scum. is either a. teach and emps b. teach and sleepless c. icon and insom d. icon and teach e
teach and insom . f emps and icon g. emps and insom h. sleepless and emps i sleepless and insome j. k every thing is wrong and fish and carl .

This really narrows it down, thank you.

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I give up. I'm just gonna skim your ISO FF

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Yeah the game's unsurprisingly more muddled from reading from just one person's PoV

Why are there three cop claims?

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I'm a bit preoccupied rn

Give me some reprieve you potamuses.

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Sorry for making you guys wait. I honestly don't have the time (or energy) to go through the entire game but I'll start my readthrough from the point I mentioned before.

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Also quack

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I had a good reason to be preoccupied just now

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let's get a flip

VOTE: arc

Starting here

Reading through this game I thought I got pings from emps and Icon at some point but we'll see how I feel after the catchup.

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Hmm.

I dunno if scum!Ico hammers like that if he has such low confidence in his play. He'd be facing a lot of heat that scum wouldn't risk for a D1 lynch.

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Chill. I town read you based on my analysis.

Iconeum hammering prematurely does kind of point to us being scum. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to believe. We were getting heat, whatever. This kind of will make you more tinfoily on me and Iconeum, would I make my buddy hammer like that though?

He would only hammer like that in a few situations:

A) To protect himself or his buddy or both

B) He just fucking derped hard and got sick of 43 pages day one

Arc was really scummy, I don't blame the hammer tbh.

If you think I'm that bad as scum to get my buddy to hammer someone who would've gotten lynched regardless, then lolyou. We're both SE.

I don't think scum would blatantly tie themselves together like this. Insomnia/Ico is either T/T or T/S here

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I'm still reading, cyrus. I already mentioned that Ico pinged me when I was following the game before I repped in.

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And I can't tell you anything about Sleepless. I'm not a psychic, I can't read minds.

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Mm, I don't know if I like the way FF and insomnia were blatantly preaching about NK speculation. Feels shoehorned.

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Sorry for taking so long in this readthrough. My brain's turned to mush and it doesn't help that I have to read cyrus's posts multiple times before I understand them.

No offense cyrus.

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Gonna go eat dinner, resuming in 1-2 hours.

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Morning. Sorry for not getting back like I promised, and I’m busy all day today. I’m not going to be offering my vote one way or the other until I’m caught up, which is going to be — at the earliest — tonight in my time.

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I'm on now. But next time can you guys not meme so much when I'm still catching up because I have a terrible sarcasm radar?

Claiming scum too btw

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I think I did, but I'll just answer again:
At the time, I felt it could be scum I was hammering. I also felt the board shifting to a lynch with me on the wrong end, which would be a 100% mislynch. Not only that, we were going round in circles and the D1 didn't exactly go very smoothly either and I really believed a flip would help us. I knew if it flipped town I'd be in trouble, but figured it was a better shot then having myself lynched.
Call it bad play, call it selfish, it was town-motivated which u'll see when you know my allignment.

Eh, I think I buy it. I skipped the first half of D1 but I got the general idea that it was aimless and scum!you would have let town muddle themselves into a corner. Feeling in general that your tone is very repentant townie and that if you're scum you essentially gamethrew.

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well yea tell why the pr prodoge 3 nights in a row

I don't think prodging is PR-indicative

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Why did you claim, emps?

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Like I believe your claim cause scum would never fakeclaim there but you weren't even run up yet?

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FF definitely has higher scum equity from the PR actions but I’m not a fan of how quickly Ico and insom jumped on him, especially since I’d been reading them both town before this. The best justification for them both being town is for frustration towards him in their interactions earlier but I don’t like essentially policy lynching a player who would be valuable if he was town.

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Idk. Maybe I’m just being reticent for not having followed along with the game but something about this wagon feels off.

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Claim list:
Insomnia — doc
emps — JK
teacher — VT
Iconeum — VT

Correct me if I’m wrong please.

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And the timing of it never comes from scum, either.

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Are you still scumreading Ico FF?

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Hold on. FF claimed cop?

Was this early D1?

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FF, you gave my doc claim in the original Newbie 1935 the benefit of the doubt but I feel like here you’re firmly taking the stance that insomnia is definitely scum fakeclaiming. Why the discrepancy?

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Hold on. FF claimed cop?

Was this early D1?

I sorted tracker at the end of day 1 to draw the nk and try to save Cyrus who claimed cop.

But scum would definitely kill a claimed cop over a softed tracker here?

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in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

If we are in column c then one of you gets a fake claim and doesn't get cc'ed. So insom is clear now and you guys go hunting for 2 mislynches.

And with a doc you can now help yourself fake results to get mislynches.

How convenient.

I’m still not seeing anything that would prevent your lynch today. Your hypotheticals here are universal for any fakeclaiming scum and don’t specifically point to insomnia himself.

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FF, you gave my doc claim in the original Newbie 1935 the benefit of the doubt but I feel like here you’re firmly taking the stance that insomnia is definitely scum fakeclaiming. Why the discrepancy?

Because of the way he did it, and auto started to push me for the jk when I was a viable night kill option and a jk would have saved me.

I have another game that went the same way with claims and the first one was scum faking.

It was a borked game because of RAS, but he cc'ed the first claim and I lynched RAS, the first claim was scum.

But you didn't realize Skygazer's fakeclaim was fake until she was literally confscum, and I was run up by you before I claimed so it wasn't as if you weren't scumreading me. I'm not a fan of the timing of insomnia's claim but it was a bad claim for any alignment and from his PoV you do have slightly above average scum equity. It just seems like you're absolutely convinced insomnia is scum fakeclaiming here when it's not that different of a situation.

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I'm not going to rush the lynch because I don't feel like you're as confscum as Ico and insomnia think you are but I don't feel too satisfied with your rebuttals so far.

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Kinda want someone out of this bickering trio to bounce ideas off of

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And I was wrong in that one wasn't I? I should have trusted my gut and not switched off where I was.

My point exactly. There's room to consider the possibility fypov that insomnia's claim is legit, but I don't feel like you're considering it — unlike how Ico (and I) have considered the possibility that insomnia's claim isn't legit.

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Well it's not easy fighting 3 people at once. And what rebbutals have been subpar?

Most of your responses to Ico and insomnia's pushes have been about the universal hypotheticals I've mentioned before or just terse "I'm-not-scum's" without any real meat behind it.

Spoiler:

Scum would know that if they are 2 goons then there are 2 set ups with 1 PR. Insom claims doc because it will either be a safe claim with a jail keep in game, or it draws out the real doc.

Carl wasn't the shot last night, I was. My death makes sense for my reads no matter what. Either to shut me up, or to frame my scum reads.

Ico/FF/cyrus/CC

If we fucking lynch Iconeum here, will you follow my god damn list???

actually, you follow me and if I'm wrong, you can do whatever.

FF IS LOCKED SCUM.

Nope.

If FF flips Scum

I say we lynch outside the others voting insom

I'm not going to flip red.

If FF flips Scum today

I believe town wins this

I won't flip scum and town will lose this game.

Teacher, I never fake claim in that situation. I hate playing scum and would've rather waited to get placed at L-1 and me self-hammering. I always do that. Just stop.

I’m talking pure mechs, not personalities. JK is never a fakeclaim for reasons I can walk through. Doc can be. I don’t think it is here (like I said) but mech can be.

I agree with this. That's what I'm pulling insomnia back on calling it a confscum scenario.

However upon your reread you will see that Insomnia, if scum, made that gamble when it wasn't needed.

Why do you guys keep saying insom wouldn't do this as scum?

This is exactly the kind of thing people do as scum. In every game.

If FF flips Scum

I say we lynch outside the others voting insom

I'm not going to flip red.

Have you, oh i dont know, considered my POV on this?

Yes? I'm still not flipping scum...

in what world does INSOMNIA make the fake claim, and not me?

The vote was swinging insoms way, why wouldn't he be the one to claim? Why do you keep saying you would have claimed and not him?

Can you just consider the bigger picture here?
Look back at this entire day, and tell me what use a scumteam of Ico/Insomnia get out of this

If we are in column c then one of you gets a fake claim and doesn't get cc'ed. So insom is clear now and you guys go hunting for 2 mislynches.

And with a doc you can now help yourself fake results to get mislynches.

How convenient.

Sell me a scum world based on the new information FF.

You're scum fake claiming doc to railroad me into a lynch today, or tomorrow.

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I was his top town read, but he saves Carl, and then act like I'm not a good kill.

I missed this, sorry. Like I said, I did feel that Ico and Insomnia were overeager for your wagon and if they were S/T then insomnia would be the S here.

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Idk. A large part of you three's interactions and reads on each other feel like AtE and it's hard to parse if you guys genuinely read each other scum or if it's just bad feelings stemming from the angry mudslinging early D2. That's why it would help if I could discuss with another player.

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What were their defenses to me calling them scum? Did you like their defenses to being called scum?

I'm a VT and have only that to go off of. Lynch me and you'll see.

Your reasoning here for their being scum essentially amounted to "some PR claims are made from scum, therefore they are scum". Which only really indicates that insomnia isn't conftown from his claim, not as a point for scum!insomnia. I don't know if I like that you're still considering they could be doing scum theater when it's far more likely that it's one scum buddying a townie or that they're both town jumping on you because they're mad at you. The burden of proof is on you for being the wagonee regardless.

Is it just the timing/the fact that insomnia 180'd on his read of you over circumstantial evidence? Or was there stuff you found individually scummy? I can look over your ISO if you want.

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I replaced into this game because I was getting bored and wanted a high-activity game but I think this is a tad bit too much

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When CC gives the go sign, I will join that wagon.

Gonna catch up on those 20 pages right now

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Hey Emps. Time to pick sides.

Axis- icon/insom/teacher

Allies- FF/CY/Carl

Canada- CC

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Like i have this excitedly worried feeling because so many things are clicking into place for me right now with this game that I feel like I get it finally, to a point, but then I worry that I could have this all wrong in my head and im letting scum scrape by.

Might as well name names.
+ If you're starting to get this game, who's the team? (I can only assume insomnia/Iconeum)
+ If you have this wrong somehow, who's being permitted to skate by?

I think its just insom and icon. Too many things mingle with them, and their play looks like it is in tandem.

If im wrong then i think it would be about icon and teacher is scum.

CC has caught up a bit, but has still been mostly mia. I havent looked at her ego, but I do know she is in a few games, so other shit might be taking her attention. It worries me that we are quickly heading into a deadline and I dont know where she is in her catch up. And I realize that i am mostly to blame for the size, but i have been battling out here in the dense german forests with whatever I can find.

My fault. I wish I could offer more on this slot but I've felt hesitant to take a definitive stance because I missed so much of the context. Right now I'm mostly going off of the whole claimfest D2 and going back through the game if I felt like I missed something, but even then it's not completely foolproof and I feel like I let a lot of things slip.

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Alright, I read from page 135 to 151. I'm still gathering my thoughts but my general gut is for an FF lynch today. I also noticed the slip teacher pointed out — about a couple pages before 3494, actually, but I gave FF the benefit of the doubt at the time. Not sure if I can still see it that way.

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Happy 1000th FF.

I can't find the post but it was something like "yeah, scum pr" to one of Ico or insomnia joking about PRs. Somewhere around early D2?

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Nah it's me

Scum pr yeah

A bit more than a couple pages

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The fact of it is that insomnia's claim is bad and near gamethrowing as either alignment but it's worse as scum.

He essentially narrowed it down to him/FF as the lynchpool, with a 50% chance for insomnia to be lynched first and leave FF alive as conftown for another day — not to mention confirming the setup. Scum who aren't in danger of being run up basically never make a play like that, and in insomnia's position they never do. I'm more inclined to believe that insomnia really was fed up and wanted to claim, but sacrificing a PR claim for lynchbait/potential scum Ico is questionable. I can't see it being done unless town!insomnia is putting a lot of faith in his townread, or scum!insomnia wanted to protect his PR!scumbuddy. If FF flips town I might reconsider his Ico/insom scumteam theory.

Both FF and insomnia's confscuming each other makes easy to narrow them down as the lynchpool but also hard to tell which to hang first. We have more to gain but a lot more to lose if insomnia flips town. If FF flips town first then scum equity goes on insomnia and we know we're in C2. If emps then jails the right scum N2, town still has a high chance of winning this. Even with WIFOMs emps could have a tiny chance to live or get a guilty, but if insomnia is town then he always dies, and we lose a doc.

So the way I see it, mechanically speaking, FF's the safest lynch here. Just by play I also feel like FF is marginally more scummy, but like I said before I'm not too passionate either way for having not followed along with everyone else.

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Eh I’m still kinda mad though. Props to Carl for putting out that PoE but still. I’d hardly been given any choice in the matter and I was asleep during the entire wagon. It worked this time, but if I were town that would’ve been a loss for town since I had barely any associatives.

Plus the game was honestly rather unpleasant to read so I didn’t have the full picture.

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I was talking about this game

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Silly!

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The other game with you was great and Carl wasn’t in it, chen’is.

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Sky was definitely really happy

I still do feel that the game got too toxic though, and I can’t say that didn’t put me off reading this game.

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Yeah.

Ico and Carl played really well. Half the dead thread posts were from Carl still hard gamesolving

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Hey, some masochistic people might wanna dub this game.

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That’s interesting, hadn’t thought about it that way

Probably should’ve gotten rid of the last sentence too

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Hey, some masochistic people might wanna dub this game.

What is this dubbing you speak of?

I saw some people dubbing a mafia game in a thread once — don’t remember who or where.

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It can be like, just voice-acting too I believe.

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Cyrus is voiced by the minions from Despicable Me

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To which I totally contributed to, btw

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also wtf, the mod has 100 posts, which is more than some people in actual games

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Like I said.

Totally. Contributed.

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I didn’t redact any of mine, but possibly insomnia was being tsundere about you

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Just nod if you can hear me who?