Newbie 1955 - wikihow mafia [game over]

[Mackenie]

Hello everyone. First ever game for me. Should be fun. I can see getting in on the voting is the way to fit in.

VOTE: doctor drew

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Also I'll look to get an avatar sorted.

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i so i anit that late. emps and docs on my radar till i have sorted them

Because of previous experiences with them?

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Mackenie rvs mode we cast random votes yes but why the 2nd vote on doctor percy why the 2nd vote on me . you two are pinging me but thanks.

I get the rvs, need to get the action underway. I acted hastily in my first post and my intention was to rvs someone without votes. I then noticed my error but figured it was way to soon to start changing votes. Also pointless unless peeps all start jumping on doctor.

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Right my bedtime but i do hope to have some posts to read when i get up. Has seemed like a very slow first day.

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Ur read on doc is he played this way before as scum so he's probably town?

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I thought the 4 of 9 shorted might indicate your early town reads. So you have a scum lean on him but hope he's town. I'll try and come up with a couple of reads myself but its like i see an angle to every comment or even the lack of posting from a couple of peeps.

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Cyrus: Scum Lean, based on gut as your interactions don't seem quite right.

Doctor: Town Lean, chat seems genuine not forced.

Not enough information on anyone else, need more contributions, also take these with a pinch of salt as I am the definition of a Mafia newb

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Oh and UNVOTE: Doctor

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haha did i just catch the two scum

Please share your theories.

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Wow there. No posts for over 24hrs then just a vote. Give us something Rob.

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Also I believe its L-2 for Cyrus.

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mackenie seems kinda paranoid for rvs/early game stuff

think theyre town.

First game of Mafia except for one unenjoyable game of Salem, so could just be my excitement.

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Just trying to get some convo outta u. Dont even know what shading is. I could put him to L-1 if we are fishing and i have a minor scum read but dont wanna risk early hammer. My read on u is now leaning town as i dont see that vote as something mafia would do.

Just seen ur other post, rvs on L-2 seems unlikey but what do know.

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well lts see scum could be in mack,rob or doc so 3 scum leans emps is town.

Funny u should say that. I was thinking Emps scum lean. Based on being mostly afk but making sure to post a number of times without seemingly offering anything.

So my scum lean names my other scum lean as his only town read. Food for thought.

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Its been pointed out but thats some crazy logic that me and doc are scum partners because he hardly ever rolls town. U didnt even bring up the the fact that i rvs'd doc then recinded it which would have made some sense.

Not sure its scummy behaviour but it gave me a lol

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Thats supposed to say he hardly ever rolls scum...

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Only marginal lean. Not sure it was worth mentioning till cyrus made u town, for reasons i would like to hear.

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Unless i missed something i think Dyrenz voted for Rob @SKYGAZER

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I'm about most of the time as you might of gathered, but I think you've heard enough from me for now, hopefully some of the less active will get posting.

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Cyrus is still my only real scum inclination. But thats the fun of this game. Its like i can make a case for just about anyone as scum and i have to remind myself theres only 2. Seems like most peeps see mostly town reads early on so i guess me being paranoid is accurate.

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Mackenzie, how many games of mafia have you played?

None this format. One of salem which was dissapointing. Have been reading a few of the finished newb games though.

Obviously it’s just a quick skim but looking at two town games and one scum game. His play here doesn’t give me the same vibe as the two town games. But there’s probably some bias that I can’t shake. He just seemed more care free in those games. This game seems different. Idk. Hard to explain I guess. Time will tell obviously

I'm inclined to think if cyrus town then u might me scum with how big ur read is. Though its similair to my read so maybe we are just hot stuff...

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Also if thats shadowing you then meh, im just replying every chance in get with whatever thories pop into my head. Anti meta im sure but what ya gonna do.

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You just seem pretty confident he's scum.

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btw i honestly think i already know who the two scum are but will not drop names on them till im solid . also at doc am i missing something please tell me hyou how you formed your top town read.

Can't be too hard to work out if we take out your 4 town reads and yourself

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Guess its hard to get across a sarcastic tone. Point being he must have 2 big scum reads on mostly afk players or he hasnt got 4 town reads. I dont want to tunnel cyrus but every time he posts it makes me more suspicious

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I know it makes me susceptable to day 1 lynch and nightkill by basically being the loudest so far, but lets atleast get some reasoning going.

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Mackenie rvs mode we cast random votes yes but why the 2nd vote on doctor percy why the 2nd vote on me . you two are pinging me but thanks.

I get the rvs, need to get the action underway. I acted hastily in my first post and my intention was to rvs someone without votes. I then noticed my error but figured it was way to soon to start changing votes. Also pointless unless peeps all start jumping on doctor.

very good answer i have to say this comes off as town to me so this is my top town read as of now.

well lts see scum could be in mack,rob or doc so 3 scum leans emps is town . dyrenz null and then you have others not posting hardly at all. however . rob why the vote even if its rvs why didnt you vote in your 1st post or 2nd . you wait till after some one else votes me?

so ob are are your reads so far also notist doctor is basically lurking so yes i think hes scum here as i said before doc has only rolled scum once.

mackenie seems kinda paranoid for rvs/early game stuff

think theyre town.

then that works one way either we lynch the doc and see if hes scum if so mack is his partner if not mack is town.

yes i honestly thinking after that vote count rob mack and doctor are town after all why would scum worry about a vc so badly.

so since im so sure in who is scum i will post my two scum reads when i am lynched because when i flip green then others will be able to trust my reads.

Why not post your scum reads now?

It is shit like this that makes you look scummy.

ok i will tell you mine of you tell me yours.

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All i'm gonna say if Cyrus is town he is either a genius or a bad player:

Macks town,
wait hes a scum lean,
lets lynch Doc to find out,
wait Rob, Mack and Doc are town,
actually Mack and Rob are probably scum.

Not bad for fiirst 6 pages.

Doc atleast you seem consistent when I looked at your posts in isolation, dont like to give much away though do you.

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Don't even get me started on thinking someone is scum because they are due a scum game, if you go into every game like that you will eventually be right but that is not how probaility works.

The only reason I'm not pushing a Cyrus lynch more is I could see the scum sitting back knowing they have the perfect mislynch material, if hes somehow town he must be a scums wet dream.

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Bit more ranty than intended but thats 4am for ya.

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How many games you had? always have the Doc (previously scum lean numero uno) to guide you?

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Listen, Cyrus may be hard to grasp sometimes which makes him ripe for mislynch.

But....he does have a knack for picking out scum......when he isn't tunneling me.

His issue is coherently making the case to get other people on board.

Pre Edit: this is the third game we played together. One I was scum he was town, second was vice versa. I can tell his alignment from these games, he is town this game.

I could actually buy that but the way I see it he named me, you, Emps and Rob as poss scum. Unless we have 2 inactive scum the chances are he has one right lol. I don't mean any offence when I say bad player but not being able to make a coherent case in this game wouldn't be bloody ideal lol.

Doc I think your still easily my top Town read with Emps my second (times have changed since my early emps scum lean which I think was probably unreasonable)

Rob I'm up and down on.

Cyrus im currently at a loss on, i could see a case for his crazy ramblings as not scummy, both Doc and Emps seem to imply he will be this random every game so maybe genius was correct...

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anyways i dont really like doc for that mack vote tho

no real reasoning behind it and i feel like he only said that he was sring mack because cyrus did, and i can see that coming from scum.

VOTE: doc

I think my take on this is more misguided than scum, I kind of get the feeling with his line of questioning that he doesn't think a first game townie would be as bold or some such.

Might be wrong on that but please give us a nice big analysis on your read Doc, I am genuinly interested in your reasoning.

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imo if his reasoning is "first game guy wouldnt be bold as town" i could just say "first game guy wouldnt be bold as scum"

like actually posting and voicing ur thoughts as someone playing their first game is +townpoints imo

I could be wide of the mark though.

also i feel like doc is trying to pocket cyrus

Surely that would mean he thinks Cyrus is geniunly town, in which case I would go with Cyrus read, hard to do when it's me though.

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I was about to point out before seing Kerset's post that you make some good points Cyrus, me and Rob scum would be plausable. If that's the case though wouldn't you get rid of Rob the SE and leave me to flounder on my own, I get why you would go second on me after docs vote but surely Doc would intiate against Rob as the best one of us to get rid of strategically.

Also don't judge me too much based on your experiences with Rob

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im sorry what are you trying to say when ur replying to 157 i dont understand what thats supposed to mean

I guess thats more directed at myself, just thinking along the lines of if Doc wants to pocket Cyrus then Cyrus must be town contrary to what I've thought all game.

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How bout this for a thoery, Rob and Doc scum team. Rob jumps on the Cyrus wagon as we all know how plausable that wagon is, eventually the wagon goes nowhere and Doc jumps on Cyrus side. If Cyrus got lynched early doors then great, if not I get lynched then when I come up town nobody suspects a Rob Mack scum team anymore so Rob is in the clear. Win win

*these are just theories and not intended to take the focus of myself, right now I'm currently feeling neutral on Doc and suspect towards Rob.

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Listen, Cyrus may be hard to grasp sometimes which makes him ripe for mislynch.

But....he does have a knack for picking out scum......when he isn't tunneling me.

His issue is coherently making the case to get other people on board.

Pre Edit: this is the third game we played together. One I was scum he was town, second was vice versa. I can tell his alignment from these games, he is town this game.

@Cyrus, Doc has a big read on you based on previous games in which he is positive your town. Question is what are your thoughts on him based on his previous play as town?

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my read on doctor is solely on the idea that you can only roll town so many times before you scum

See that bad reasoning. It’s actually what pinged me.

Or he could be scum relying on a weak reason. Only time will tell

I don’t see town Cyrus dropping is reads so easily. Consider my read on him a little stronger now.

Not too mention way to many town reads for page 5

I just haven’t seen anyone do anything to warrant a town read so the fact somebody can have that many this early seems informed.

Obviously it’s just a quick skim but looking at two town games and one scum game. His play here doesn’t give me the same vibe as the two town games. But there’s probably some bias that I can’t shake. He just seemed more care free in those games. This game seems different. Idk. Hard to explain I guess. Time will tell obviously

Apart from Robs numerous reads on Cyrus as scum, who is an easy target by that point, there's been no post regarding reads on any other player.

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Obviously it’s just a quick skim but looking at two town games and one scum game. His play here doesn’t give me the same vibe as the two town games. But there’s probably some bias that I can’t shake. He just seemed more care free in those games. This game seems different. Idk. Hard to explain I guess. Time will tell obviously

Nothing from Doc when Rob posted the above, even though he feels the oppostite.

Pre Edit: this is the third game we played together. One I was scum he was town, second was vice versa. I can tell his alignment from these games, he is town this game.

Doc you said you have a handle on Rob's play, care to share your read?

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Mackenie out

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Thanks for the answer. Regarding the masons it can be benificial to discuss things in private with someone u know is town. Also possible they will alibi each other if the need arises.

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Well thats what it looked like when i read up in a game involving masons anyway

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I would also add the mason got nk first night after having to reveal day 1

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Whats ur opinion on me getting lynched over an SE if me n Rob were scum

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Obviously it’s just a quick skim but looking at two town games and one scum game. His play here doesn’t give me the same vibe as the two town games. But there’s probably some bias that I can’t shake. He just seemed more care free in those games. This game seems different. Idk. Hard to explain I guess. Time will tell obviously

Nothing from Doc when Rob posted the above, even though he feels the oppostite.

Pre Edit: this is the third game we played together. One I was scum he was town, second was vice versa. I can tell his alignment from these games, he is town this game.

Doc you said you have a handle on Rob's play, care to share your read?

Never played with Robb, this is in regards to Cyrus.

But........UNVOTE:

Ofcourse it's in regards to Cyrus, Rob made a comment about Cyrus playing like scum based on previous experience. You made a comment some time later that Cyrus is playing like town based on previous experience. Obviously me putting Robs name at the end of my post is a typo, why would Rob comment on his own previous play?

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All i'm gonna say if Cyrus is town he is either a genius or a bad player:

He’s probably not town but if he is, definitely a bad player.

I felt sure early on but now not as much (Cyrus as scum).

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Dont you just hate the annoying noobs that think they know everything

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To clarify experience with Cyrus from previous games. Is that accurate?

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Ah my misunderstanding. U wernt personally in the games with Cyrus but u did some research on those games?

If thats not it i give up.

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VOTE: doctor drew

Once my top town read but u dont seem to have been bothered about us finding the scum. Im also suspicious of a few things ive already pointed out and havent received a response.

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Thats L-1 btw. U still dont have to explain urself but u probably should.

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Cyrus i'll give u one thing. You confuse the hell outta me.

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so since im so sure in who is scum i will post my two scum reads when i am lynched because when i flip green then others will be able to trust my reads.

Why not post your scum reads now?

It is shit like this that makes you look scummy.

Come give us some reads if u think thats what a townie should do...

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I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

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I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

yet you leave your vote on him. why not unvote with an implied vote?

Whether he is scum or his town playstyle is to keep things close to his chest, at this point I want some more meaningful contribution.

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To be honest i don't smell any scum cooperation here. I feel that most likely one of scum is AFK and the other one decided to play normally.

What makes you say that

Just being going over the thread, looking at the few peeps in here who seem to be getting a free ride. This struck me as very strange indeed.

Saint Percy only has two posts the thread, first post was 22 and it was a vote on the easiest target without explanation. His second was a response to Kerset's comment above, about the likelihood of an inactive scum. Doesn't sit right with me.

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intent to hammer doc at 9pm my time btw my time saids 2:37pm

this is not a town post btw.

we have over 6 days left and doc isn't even in your scum pile.

I agree this seems unnecessary, you'll only get yourself lynched day to mate. The threat is there but don't put a timer on it.

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Sorry. There hadn't been a vote counted in ages so i tried to do it all from scratch. You know i actually think Cyrus threatening to hammer Doc makes a lot more sense if he knew the correct votecount

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mack - town
cyrus - tl
kerset - tl
doc - sr

everyone else is null

Not far off mine, havent got experience with Cyrus so not convinced town but i could see it.

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If you are town I’m gonna be so pissed at you. Making a mockery of this game.

Please get me lynched. You’d probably do me a favor.

What he’s not telling you is I play scum and town nearly identical. Good luck sorting me

I don't get these comments at all, feels a bit like ur grandstanding.

You've also been very critical of Cyrus but i have no idea what ur reads on everyone else is. (I didnt go through the whole thread so there may be some old reads i cant remember)

What are ur thoughts on doc?

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Also as far as docs absence goes, i doubt its alighnment related as surely either way he posts by now. Very much look forward to some answers if he ever comes back.

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I think me and Emps are on the same team, albeit town. Even with all ur attention on me i still think u might just be a misguided townie. The three of us seem to be trying the hardest to discover the scum, and unless Emps is buddying me i cant ignore how close his reads are to mine.

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Not sure if any of thos question were directed at me, but my main read and doc came when he voted me then completely blanked my questions. Now i know he awol i cant read much into it but at the time it looked bad.

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On doc, not and doc...

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Not sure if any of thos question were directed at me, but my main read and doc came when he voted me then completely blanked my questions. Now i know he awol i cant read much into it but at the time it looked bad.

You can't use his vote on you as a reason to scum read you because you called him your top town read AFTER that vote.

You asked him a question which he answered but it turns out you asked him about the wrong person. You asked the correct question but he hasn't posted since.


so do you see why I am having trouble here? You have no reason to drop your town read on him.

your 180 could easily be described as an opportunistic vote on an easy target. he had two votes, you didn't really have a reason, twisting him not posting as not answering your questions.

True, maybe I let my annoyance over his lack of answers get to me. I think I was more looking to force answers than going 180 but as every hour passed I got more suspicious. Now he's in limbo till he gets back but I still want answers. If your right about Cyrus i can only see it to mean the scum team is both of them as Doc was very pro town for Cyrus.

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I cant help if your both townies angry at each other. When i get chance im going to go over everything thats been said to form completely fresh reads. Just remember sometimes the mafia are the quiet ones.

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Thats supposed to say i cant help feeling you are both townies angry at each other.

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Thats supposed to say i cant help feeling you are both townies angry at each other.

What has cyrus done that is so towny?

Like on one of my favorite reddit subs, explain it to me like i'm five.

I am starting to buy Cyrus as scum.

I apologize for my lack of activity lately, been busy with some irl stuff and couldn't find time to devote to mafia. Should be back later to address some topics.

But, Robb, what are your other accounts? Curious to see if I ever played a game with you. I had another account before this one as well.

real life happens, hope all is well.

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Thats supposed to say i cant help feeling you are both townies angry at each other.

What has cyrus done that is so towny?

Like on one of my favorite reddit subs, explain it to me like i'm five.

I guess i just don't think anyone could play scum this badly, I will go through all of your interactions when i get chance.

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I've spent an hour reading up and my gut tells me Rob or Doc, or both are scum.

I'm not keen on Robs play in regards to Cyrus, he may be right but my gut says he's theres no reason to go all out on one player like he does. If he indeed plays like this every game then it could be a false read but it's tough to say.

Despite Docs absence I don't like most of his play this game, chumming with Cyrus and voting out of the blue for me, then withdrawing the vote without any real reason. Also despite being AFK for over a day he now has a scum lean on Cyrus, Kerset I know you have pointed out some of this.

Thoughts???

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I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

yet you leave your vote on him. why not unvote with an implied vote?

Whether he is scum or his town playstyle is to keep things close to his chest, at this point I want some more meaningful contribution.

ok, but that doesn't answer my question. if you are not comfortable with him being at L-1, why don't you unvote and say your vote is implied?

I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

yet you leave your vote on him. why not unvote with an implied vote?

Emps and kerset both have fairly weak reasons for their vote on doc. Good enough reason to pressure doc, but nothing there that is solid enough for an actual scum read. Kerset’s vote is basically agreeing with enps and mentioning doc hasn’t defended his claim. My question is 1. What claim and 2. He hasn’t really posted since emps votes him so how can you accuse somebody of not doing something if you haven’t given them time?

This is all great to pressure doc, but nobody has an actual reason to scum read him. The only person who’s provided legitimate reasons is me.

One more thought, despite Rob having no town reads on focussing all his energy on Cyrus, it seems to me he defefended Doc on more than one occasion.

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As usual vague answers. You want to void me because i dont underatand something? Maybe explain...

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Vote~

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I will stake my claim at LEAST one of Mack and Cyrus is scum.....leaning them not a team though.

Be back later.

Strong claim. Now with your backtrack, on the omgus basis, your saying that i'm a town read.

So does that mean you now think atleast one of Cyrus is scum (your certain on Cyrus). Did you ever think i was actually scum?

Also your early read was certain Cyrus is town, i have no problem with a read change over a large period of time but is there anything specific thats bothering you?

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I really don’t like how doc is behaving towards me. He has been vacant yet somehow comes in and is definitely trying to pocket me.

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Oops misclick.

My comment to with the above quote is as follow. It struck me as pocketing like behaviour, the whole thing about you two suddenly working out you had previously played a game as a scum team under different aliases, oh and heres the game if you wanna know how we play as scum together. Not buying it, also the above comment was brushed off then before you know it your both pushing emps.

Now i think pushing emps for more info is a good thing, but the whole love hate relationship between Rob n Doc is strange.

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Rob you have a read for me on Doc?

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Emps im town lean. Not been as active as he could be but i think his posts have been on point. Calling stuff out as he sees it.

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Kerset probably my strongest town read. Agree with most of what he says. Not as convinced on Cyrus being town but thats more because of Cyrus.

Cyrus i think is confusing enough that i have to put him null. I think he generally comes off poorly in a lot of what he says, but i also think he might just be missunderstood and struggles to get his point across. I do not like 2 SE's so confident on his read when i'm sonconfused, but maybe thats experience...

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i did state that emps and mack was my 1st thought for scum right?

Im sure you did. Along with all your other ever changing thoeries.

It is comments like this that make me think you could be town, nobody else is really pegging me as scum but you dont hide your read on me. Im not so sure scum would pick on me, easier to go for an obvious target and nightkill me. Lets face its ive opened myself up for nk, i can live with it if my reads work out.

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In no world are u the nk, too easy as lynch bait bro.

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Surprising you need this as your so good at counting votes

Also why does votecount effect your reads?

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Look forward to it, though i don't think previous games can be fully trusted.

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Great but are you gonna give us the long anticipated cards on the table.

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ah so I did.

useless would be my read. He isn't really doing much but that is honestly how I feel about everyone. 3 people voting doc and nobody has a really good reason for it. It's completely frustrating because all 3 of those people can't be scum with cyrus.

I just deleted the post I typed cause I really don't want to offend anyone so this is the pg version of how I feel about the game.

Like I said earlier, I can honestly make an argument for everyone one of you being scum (replacements excluded) and that worries me.

Surely the point of newbie games is that a lot of us are new, our gameplay might be rubbish but no reason to get angry about it.

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i'll make a bet for doc and even stick my neck out / if doc is scum lynch me tommrow however if he is town trust me on my reads . rob is now my top scum read.

I don't want Doc at L-1 and i'm not convinced he is scum, but I really need to hear from you Doc as there are just too many gaps and unanswered questions.

then unvote if you dont want him at l1. however judgeing by how doc hasnt been hammerrd means either doc is scum o scum is already on his wagon . me being town i wont quick hammer but i will do this intent to hammeer doc

now watch the vote fall off doc

intent to hammer doc at 9pm my time btw my time saids 2:37pm

intent to hammer doc at 9pm my time btw my time saids 2:37pm

this is not a town post btw.

we have over 6 days left and doc isn't even in your scum pile.

if you dont think hes scum then get others to unvote him by 9pm.

Spoiler:

if you dont think hes scum then get others to unvote him by 9pm.

that isn't how the game works, and you know this.

you have stated you don't think he is scum so you threatening to hammer is antitown and when added to everything else, screams scum.

hopefully people see that now and you get lynched but i am not holding my breath. I can only do so much as I am one person. I have provided many reasons why you should be lynched.

You have provided 0 reasons why anyone but mac should be lynched.

so the queston is do you have the balls to call my bluff or do you sit there doing nothing.

seems mack cant do a vote count properly . but i had you guys going.

i knew doc wasnt at l1 so my whole intent was a bluff.

now blets see how this would play out in pt . rob tells mack lie about the vote count to see who takes the bait. mack then lies about it to see who takes the bait.

i however watching the votes carefully knew it was a lie and started "bluffing" to get others off docs wagon and see how others would react to it. its funny realy.

Have been going over this as it stands out as a pivotal moment, i've decided i dont buy Cyrus playing a clever con.

First of all he says if Doc is scum hang me next, but if Doc is town we should trust everything Cyrus says. Then he puts an intent to hammer and basically dares anyone to unvote him, and that if someone does unvote him they are probably scum. Cyrus would then get to 'fairly' hammer knowing Doc will show up as as town, then we are all supposed to trust in Cyrus and lynch Rob.

Ofcourse this is just a thoery but it makes more sense to me than Cyrus being aware of then actual vote count and bluffing.

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UNVOTE: Doc

VOTE: Cyrus

To be clear this is L-1

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I still dont trust doc and rob, but i think i've just been trying to be too clever. Cyrus may turn out not to be scum but i think he's the percentage play based on who has done the most things i consider to be scummy. From the games i've read up on i've seen people get lynched on nonsense reasons and Cyrus has just given so many potential scum tells.

I also think if i was scum at this point i would have sat back as theres been nothing recently to say i'm in danger. If this vote goes against me then so be it but i will always try to have my vote on who i think is most likely scum, even if that changes frequently.

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Cyrus you made a threat of self lynching in the hope of saving yourself, i figured it was baloney and now to see you jump on he second biggest wagon i have no doubt my read is correct.

You put yourself in a corner and you should of alteast waited a bit longer, i didnt think L-1 pressure would be that bad but IMO you cracked.

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Regardless of how it looks my vote on Cyrus was firmly down to my read, yes i qouted old losts but that vote stuff had been pingin around my head for ages. I would of made the same vote if he had none.

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Im confused by claimnow's catch up posts, theres atleast a couple of posts made by Rob that have Cyrus as the named quoter.

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Was sure that a few of then was posted by you Rob, atleast the one about shading. Guess i was just wrong as it didnt make any sense.

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Cyrus you made a threat of self lynching in the hope of saving yourself, i figured it was baloney and now to see you jump on he second biggest wagon i have no doubt my read is correct.

You put yourself in a corner and you should of alteast waited a bit longer, i didnt think L-1 pressure would be that bad but IMO you cracked.

theres only 3 wagons was i to real end the day . i was on rob 1 wagon i am one wagon and doc is the other how dose this statement make sence .

Missed this comment on my catch up this morning, my point was your joining in on a wagon instead of voting your biggest scum read, It would of probably been easy for me to jump on you at any point considering all the crazy shit you say. Instead I went with my biggest read for while which was Doc, until I simply couldn't ignore your shenanigans any longer and you became my top read. FYI I'm still waiting for the self lynch...

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Unless someone wants to take the lead on a different wagon it looks like it will be Doc or Cyrus. Quite frankly i could see either being scum but I'm personally not moving from Cyrus. Whether he's scum or town i can't trust anything he says and i think he needs to go. If he somehow turns out town i think hes seriously screwed us over.

That still leaves plenty of people to pick a side and get something done. Doubt Rob is moving but someone is going to need to comprimise.

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Okay, I've finished my recap. Based on what I've read I'm pretty sure cyrus is scum. Cyrus hasn't stayed on one read the whole time. He seems to vote on whoever he wants and doesn't really push them. In addition, his posts don't seem town motivated and he never follows up on his questions. I also think mack could be scum because he seems to be buddying with emps.

Lmfao. That your conclusion from 500 posts.

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Where were all your posts over the last few days doctor? As far as i can see you purposly posted as little as possible until today. If your scum i think its a poor tactic to use when your an se in a rookie game, its not all about winning.

Slightly annoyed about not sticking with my read on Cyrus, but as far as i'm concerned he was asking for a lynching with some of his ridiculous posts.

I also think its funny how i backed cyrus longer than anyone but Kersit, who was town, yet im scum.

Also Doctor you flipped on your definatly town read on Cyrus well before me but there was apparently no reason for me to flip?

My current top scum read would probably be Rob but the fact that you've not even mentioned his clear tunneling of Cyrus is too suspicious to me.

At this point i think everyone will make up their own mind and my enthusiasm for this game has waned, if either doc or rob isn't scum i'll eat my hat.

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Seriously Doctor, same amount of posts as the mod but your here within 2 mins of day starting to vote

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Hehe sure i'm waiting for all the non posters to jump in and pick someone othere than me. Docs turn on Cyrus was oppertunistic but lets forget about that, he didnt put any effort to work out the scum and ignored pretty much all of my questions but why bring that up? I still dont know what the hell shading is but if its going back to my biggest scum read before Cyrus then hey ho.

You don't even seem bothered everythig you said about Cyrus was proved false, where were all your theroes the last 10 days? Do you even believe slightly that low posting has no relevance?

I have to think your scum because most of your actions would be poor for a town player, not even a mild suspicion of Doc lol. Considering the way you two have acted i'm not even concerned with claimnow at the minute, and ill only get crap for thories.

I really don't know which of you is more worthy of my vote, i dont know how either of you is town.

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I won't be on today, at a funeral. Will try and contribute more tomorrow. Doctor is on my case because he knows he's my top scum read. Rob whether you play the same as town or scum is irrelevant to me, I don't see how the way you play can be at all helpful to town. You didn't like Cyrus before the game started and there was no way you were going to let up on him, how did that help us?

Would be easy to jump on claimnow and take the attention away from me but I haven't looked into his possible slip.

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Also before I go

you never answered Doc my question from days ago, why you would target me over an SE when you thought we were a scum team. Now you think the scum team is me and Rob and you still want to rid the newbie scum, why?

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You knew full well it was a sarcastic comment in reply to your comments. Your so angry Rob, and I'll vote when i'm ready.

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Thats how rob plays whatever his alignment, targeting a player early until and keep going at them. That's why he says hes hard to read but also why i dont like his play as a townie

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Just been checking what all the fuss is about with claimnows catch up posts, didn't realise when you click on the link it takes you to a restricted access section. Can't see how this is legitimately a notes folder. I still think Doc is scum but you can't ignore a scum slip

VOTE: claimnow

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Rob i still don't know why you think i didnt contribute on the first day, i was constanly questioning everyone and i was one of few people that could actually see Cyrus might be town, albeit bad town.

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i so i anit that late. emps and docs on my radar till i have sorted them VOTE: doc rub is null to me untill i see where the game gos

Why are they on your radar?

This is the post that is seemingly a scum slip. He quotes himself from post 85 but i don't think he had even joined the game by 85. Then he said it was from private notes but what are the chances a late joiner has 85 postes in pt?

I would have given this my attention sooner but a mix of short time and trying to respond to Robs million comments slowed me down.

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At this point indon't really have much to add, i think me and rob were good potential mislynch and kerset was giving us the best deductions. Im still gutted as at one point i was with him on the Cyrus situation. Fact is i think his lynching was his own fault and he made it easy for scum to get by first night.

Rob im not reading as scum despite his aggro play, doc is probably still my biggest scum, and not really because he came straight for me at the start of be day. I dont like his whole play, appearing randomly, not offering anything and ignoring any questions i pose to him.

Still my vote will remain, while its possible claimnow has 85 posts in a pt after 24 hrs, i think the fact that someone has a confirmed private section gives us the best probability of scum.

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Didn't realise it had been that long since i posted. Honestly as mentioned above, we have someone who posts so much in first 24hrs they mistakenly quote from a private section. Then all of a sudden they are no longer contributing. Short of someone else claiming they are scum i don't see any reason we would lynch anyone else.

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Not got much time right now but just want to say well played getting a scum, will have to work on my reads but the only one i'm certain on is ROB = Town. Would have never noticed the slip myself and no way a half decent scum partner would have pointed it out.

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I'm the Doc slot. Hi, hello.

I want to work with you to crunch down the next tier of your read list (work out "if emps is town who out of myself and Mack is more likely to be town"), but as of right now I think emps is more than likely just scum.

pedit: agreed, Robb is definitely town. When you do have a bit of time Mack, let me know. I can see people's souls so I wanna question you a bit. >:3

Ask away, i shouldn't be to long between replies, I have 5 mins here and there just don't have chance to go through the thread properly.

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I have no experience at mafia but surely a crumb could be planted by scum for later use. Not disbelieving either.

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Vanilla Townie ofcourse, but i would hardly say mafia if i was scum.

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I'm on uk time btw so just got up. I don't know at what point your supposed to have a vote in play. With a real days day it doesnt seem to matter much to me to have an early vote on. When i'm confident in my read i vote, i'm not voting to appease anyone or because i should.

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That supposed to say with a 10 real days day.

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I'll be honest since the cyrus lynch i've not put much effort in. I really need to have a look at the interactions regarding the claimnow lynch as i doubt scum was onboard until it was inevitable.

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Good game, the whole Cyrus situation messed me up, was actually gonna hammer emps last night but thought id wait for a reply. Touch situation in the end.