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Re: Newbie 1977 - Day 1
Sent: Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:52 pm
by 72offsuit

Hi all,

I've played a few mafia games online in short form on another website and enjoy playing social deduction board games, such as secret hitler, the resistance, bang! , but oddly never werewolf.

Vote: Yodavader

- anyoneone with vader in their name must be evil.

Happy New Year everyone!

[72offsuit]

@72: Plus, I have Yoda in my name, so that must mean that I'm cute and lovable and would hurt no one ever, unless you are trying to hurt my dad and then I will force choke the crap out of you

Overly defensive, plus a threat to my life! Scum found already - gee I'm good at this game

Who is your partner in crime? *uses Jedi mind persuasion trick*

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Yodavader

[72offsuit]

Hi Non Imh,

Welcome to the game. Thanks for replacing a player.
What is your experience in playing mafia online and in real life?

[72offsuit]

It's a hidden role card game (there is also a dice game version). Its a spaghetti western theme. Sherriff role is exposed as a point of reference. All other roles are hidden.
The Deputy (vice) is on his team, several outlaws and a renegade are on opposite teams. Its not so much social deduction as it is a hidden role game.

[72offsuit]

I love Bang. I have the Bullet.

Nice

[72offsuit]

Indeed, very difficult to hide as scum when you are constantly under pressure to post and contribute to discussion - eventually scum slips up the majority of the time

[72offsuit]

Which one was that? I've had so many good ones this year.

LOL - zero modesty xD

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mercutio replaces RS, who never picked up their Role PM.

Hi, that's me!

Replacing in is a little more exciting of an entrance than I thought I'd get so if you all feel moved to applaud I will understand.

I'll be catching up on the thread later tonight, but a little bit about me: as a teenager I used to play a lot of mafia and other such games online but mafiascum wasn't for me because of the slow pace. Now I'm a full-ass adult (they let me teach high school for some unknown reason!) and everything I do is slow, and I thought I'd try my hand at getting back into fun internet games.

Looking forward to meeting you all!

Hi mercutio, welcome.
Thanks for replacing in to the game.

Just a few questions for you:
1) Do you prefer playing as a member of the town or mafia team?
2) What do you think of OMGUS votes?

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mercutio replaces RS, who never picked up their Role PM.

Hi, that's me!

Replacing in is a little more exciting of an entrance than I thought I'd get so if you all feel moved to applaud I will understand.

I'll be catching up on the thread later tonight, but a little bit about me: as a teenager I used to play a lot of mafia and other such games online but mafiascum wasn't for me because of the slow pace. Now I'm a full-ass adult (they let me teach high school for some unknown reason!) and everything I do is slow, and I thought I'd try my hand at getting back into fun internet games.

Looking forward to meeting you all!

Hi mercutio, welcome.
Thanks for replacing in to the game.

Just a few questions for you:
1) Do you prefer playing as a member of the town or mafia team?
2) What do you think of OMGUS votes?

Why not ask these questions to all players instead of incoming players?

I don't think it is a bad idea to pressure the lynch, because the other two SE's are on it and the blatantly friendly relationship yoda has for former. I think there could potentially be some useful information we could get out of that. That's just my thoughts on the matter at this second, I learned D1 I tend to change opinions.

I wouldn't say that my relationship with Fish is friendly. I have just played a game with him. I've also finished a game with Egix, so there's that too.

How many games has everyone played with each other? Don't need exact numbers, just a rough guess will do. As for me, those 2 are the only ones I have had a past game with. Everyone else is new to me.

In my experience of playing games like mafia, the resistance, there is almost nothing to go off from the start, so I wanted to get non/low posters to respond and participate.

If you think a question is of a general nature and worth answering, there isnt anything preventing you or others from answering it too.

[72offsuit]

Indeed, very difficult to hide as scum when you are constantly under pressure to post and contribute to discussion - eventually scum slips up the majority of the time

Adding to this, what does everyone think about Lynch All Lurkers? I know it's very early in the game and this shouldn't be a problem right now but I just want to see what the general consensus is.

Admittedly, if you look at my 3 other games on this site, I was always the one with the lowest post count. Usually well under the number of the Mod, themselves, until closer to the end of the game. That being said, I am trying to talk more so we'll see how this plays out.

I am inclined to put more pressure and put the finger of suspicion on lurkers.
Policy lynching lurkers is not a great move in my view.

[72offsuit]

I don't think it is a bad idea to pressure the lynch, because the other two SE's are on it and the blatantly friendly relationship yoda has for former. I think there could potentially be some useful information we could get out of that. That's just my thoughts on the matter at this second, I learned D1 I tend to change opinions.

@DJR why does 2 SEs being on a wagon make it a good wagon in your eyes?

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I don't think the wagon is good, one of the SE's said that. I think it could give information which would benefit the town.

If you think ithe wagon will give useful information, does this not define a good wagon then?

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NDMath u said:
I have a townlean on Alexcellent for asking good questions.

Sry im having issues doing the quote thing for some reason.

@NDmath What is the purpose/aim of posting a townread this early?

Just seems odd to me: 1) to have a confident read so early,
2) why you would make a potential mafia feel more comfortable so early
3) make it easier for mafia to see what wagon will fly more easily so early

[72offsuit]

On D1, I don't mind taking people to L-1 but if anyone hammers without acknowledging that they are going to hammer (lolhammers/quickhammers), I automatically scum read the hammerer. So for now, I'll play along.

VOTE: Fish

Cool. Who's my counterwagon going to be? I still like the guy who self voted and then replaced out, so I'm sticking there. Who's with me!?!

What are your thoughts on the player who is actually here replacing said spot?

[72offsuit]

almost never get to hammer

Is there something in your play style that makes you less likely to get hammer? Do you tend to vote early or jump on a lot of wagons?

[72offsuit]

The preview button helps a lot, I have to say I am so much more engaged than the first game I played.

What does the preview button do?

[72offsuit]

I don't think the wagon is good, one of the SE's said that. I think it could give information which would benefit the town.

If you think ithe wagon will give useful information, does this not define a good wagon then?

No, mislynches are bad, but then can give info.

Policy lynches are bad and also give no info.

I sort of agree sort of disagree.
Certain policy lynches are bad as they are random and more of a scapegoat vote - eg on epicmafia mafia games there tends to be a " lynch the no avi (avatar) " policy lynch.

In situations where i am devoid of any genuine scum/town reads i AM more inclined in general to pressure and subsequently vote for players who appear not to be good at scumhunting / who seem will not be helpful to town.

[72offsuit]

Indeed, very difficult to hide as scum when you are constantly under pressure to post and contribute to discussion - eventually scum slips up the majority of the time

Adding to this, what does everyone think about Lynch All Lurkers? I know it's very early in the game and this shouldn't be a problem right now but I just want to see what the general consensus is.

Admittedly, if you look at my 3 other games on this site, I was always the one with the lowest post count. Usually well under the number of the Mod, themselves, until closer to the end of the game. That being said, I am trying to talk more so we'll see how this plays out.

I'll vote in favor of this to try to challenge myself.

NDMath u said:
I have a townlean on Alexcellent for asking good questions.

Sry im having issues doing the quote thing for some reason.

@NDmath What is the purpose/aim of posting a townread this early?

Just seems odd to me: 1) to have a confident read so early,
2) why you would make a potential mafia feel more comfortable so early
3) make it easier for mafia to see what wagon will fly more easily so early

I generally try to push my reads out early, usually it's while several players still find it unreasonable to make reads. One reason for it is that I think more posts than not are alignment indicative while I've heard of someone who thinks the average mafia player only makes 3/4 AI posts a game. As for the information aspect, theoretically it benefits town more in that not saying reads town has no clue what you're thinking but mafia can usually determine the gist.

The preview button helps a lot, I have to say I am so much more engaged than the first game I played.

I agree? Probably because I'm not concerned about our SE's flaking this time.

I was more querying the timing of your read, and it being a townread.

the mafia already have information, whereas town are in the dark so obviously the more information the better. Certainly letting town know where you stand regarding scum suspicions is important, to prevent scum from being able to just hedge their bets and just vote for the easier lynch.

Why do you think mafia are more likely to have 'the gist" than town?

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I find your unvote odd egix. We are talking about putting on pressure via wagons and then the unvote. Noone was stating they actually found fish to be particularly scummy - noone was threatening to hammer. I believe a townie would be more likely to vote for a scummier player (however slight the scumread) than simply unvoting.

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I just don't see the connection between us. Is it because we both didn't want to lynch early?

I don't see a connection either, but its moreso odd that you didnt questiom his read to find out further why he thinks you are scummy and what links the 2 of u

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Wow, this game has just exploded.
On initial read, I think the claim is genuine. Wasn't very keen on the dsjstr wagon. I don't think the OMGUS vote on yoda was a scum thing to do at all, i thought it more of a towny thing to do.

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DJstr's eagerness to claim way too early, makes me feel like he is actually tracker and that he wanted the heat off him ASAP. Very unfortunate that he claimed so early, with noly 1 player asking for a claim, but whats done is done.

I really hate Fish's 'intent to hammer' post despite not having hammer, enough so that:

Vote: Fish

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ngl, gun-to-head, dsj/egi could be a thing just from first glance
past 1am here, bye for reals, gn everyone

Ay Non, can you expand on this read?

their behaviour was odd for them, two birds one stone by pairing them up

So you are basically saying nothing links them, you simply think they are the 2 scum?

[72offsuit]

Reads right now
Townlean Yoda alex Former 72 Egix Merc Imh Dsj Scumlean

Yoda's posts are coming off as more genuine(?) than the others. Genuine as in it feels in line with what he as town would probably be thinking.

Can you repost this with scum reads and town reads on seperate lines?
Its all on one line so i must b interpreting it wrong but every1 is a town read and noone is a sumread

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My View of DSJstr in iso is as follows:
Warning Wall of Text:

Key/Legend:
(P = post #) (+ = townie, - = scummy)

p77: reasonable response re: wagons
Townie vibe: +1

p112: slightly scummy post but I believe was overblown by fish (who was desperate to look for an alternate wagon) and merc hopped on for same reason.
The Non-Imh post had almost zero substance so I’ll give slight benefit of the doubt to DSJ
Scummy vibe: -1

p113: scummy BW to pressure and exit RVS, now scummy?? Inconsistency
Scummy vibe: -1

p116: reasonable resp re: connection between slots
Townie vibe: +1

p 119: Town-Reads (TRs) me

p126: yoda OMGUS vote feels like frustrated townie to me
Townie vibe: +1

p130 and 134: odd - explains yoda vote: reason was due to him jumping on a wagon (on him) but then states was purely emotional? Inconsistency
Scummy vibe: -1

p134: BW sign of mafia – perhaps why didn’t hop onto wagon earlier, but sort of approved of it?
Not too sure what to make of this

p142: reasonable response Re: members on wagon
Townie vibe: +1

p160: tracker claim
Felt genuine to me and feels consistent with how he has behaved with votes on him

p176: resp to Alex’s questions
TR on Math reasonable
Reasonable read on yoda
Townie vibe: +3

Non-alignment-Indicative (NAI) Posts:
10,11,13,15,30,34,62,67,74,79,87,101,125, 127,130,132,136,138, 140,152,153,154,180,181,185.

Summary: +7 – 3 = +4

TLDR: Townread on DSJstr

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Math ISO:

p8 Votes for DSJ

p63 : TR on Alex which i agree with, ‘dusnt rag on non imh’
Townie vibe: +1

p146: reasonable resp my qs
Townie vibe: +1

p148: TRs Alex, which I agree with, but don’t really agree with other reads
I don’t see what yoda has done that is indicative of being Townie, nor the same for Former
I don’t agree at all that DSJ is the scummiest player.
Good in that he is posting his reads, and is not hedging his bets, (though if Matrh is scum he is simply doing what he said he would do early on when I questioned him Re: posting Town reads in early-game-phase) however I don’t really agree with a lot of his Reads
Therefore overall scummy vibe: -2

NAI posts: 8, 20, 149, 196, 197

Summary: Not a whole bunch of posts to go off, but overall Neutral currently (0)

[72offsuit]

Dam, re-reading ISOs took way longer than I thought, only ISO'ed 2 players so far. Its 4am, im off to bed lol

[72offsuit]

Fish ISO:

p49: Feels a little scummy to me because it feels a bit forced, “I’m all blasé, whatevs lynch me, like I don’t care if im lynch, because im on town team and can win even if im dead”
(my paraphrasing of the vibe this post gives me)
Scummy vibe: -1

P84: I find it odd Fish responds to this question given I asked it of DSJ

P115: Votes for DSJ – at this time reasonable given I agree the DSJ post was a bit scummy, but not really a strong townie vibe given he is pretty desperate to get the wagon off him, but I guess given the scarcity of scumminess other than lurking to this stage of the game, was a reasonable place to put a vote.
Townie vibe: +1

P117: asks a good question about egix slot independently
Townie vibe: +1

P128: Discussing the votes on DSJ, I don’t like the rather nebulous phrase “other minor tells” as part of his reason to vote for DSJ. If you have tells you should elaborate esp if you are voting for a lynch and its not an RVS vote but an actually intent to have lynched vote.
Scummy vibe: -2




@Fish: Are you able to elaborate on these enigmatic “other minor tells”?




P133: “He was the 4th vote on your wagon, why focus there?”
I thought it was more than reasonable to focus on this 4th vote.
I would say Fish’s p133 unfairly paints DSJ with a bad brush / unreasonably criticising DSJ’s focus on yoda – the other 3 votes on the wagon were an RVS vote, 2 votes for the scummy dodging joking post by DSJ. If I were in DSJ’s slot I think I would’ve done the same.
Feels like scum pushing an agenda, something that fits a neat narrative, rather than looking for scumminess
Scummy vibe: -2

p156: Scummy as post - demanding for a claim by someone in NO position to ask for a claim.
1) Did NOT have hammering ability
2) Was the other wagon, so totally biased in the votes
3) Wagon included an RVS vote, and a lets wagon for the sake of wagoning vote, was not full of actual FoS voters
Scummy vibe: -3

P173: “PR CC should NOT claim” – say what? This is fishing at best, bad advice at worst. If there is a CC to this then we have a guaranteed mafia – if the lynch was going to proceed and everyone agreed DSJ was super scummy then yes CCing PR would stay quiet, but if the lynch of DSJ was NOT going to proceed, then yes CCing PR would have to CC
Scummy vibe: -2

P174: more role fishing
Scummy vibe: -1

P175: even more role fishing
Scummy vibe: -1

NAI posts: 14,16,31,48,86,88,91,94,109,111,129,135,137,139,157.

Summary: Scummy as. -10

[72offsuit]

It's interesting that you mention that 72o has a weird way of posting because I was thinking that they basically just posted what me and Alex already said. I have to say that because they waited to say that I seemed town until after I outed seemed town. They didn't want to risk being seen as protecting mafia in case I was actually mafia and it would make them seem like we were together. I also don't think Yoda would be a good lynch right now.

UNVOTE:

The reason I didn't state that I thought you were town earlier was because at that stage you were at neutral for me. It was really only AFTER post 160 when you claimed tracker and it felt genuine PLUS post 176 which i felt was a very townie post, did I actually think that you were town.

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Alex ISO:

P61: I agree, good question asked of Fish
Townie vibe: +1

P68: Questioning re: joining wagon – trying to keep DSJ to be accountable
Townie vibe: +1

P161/163/167: I had the same impressions re hammering coming out of nowhere, Alex Querying Fish’s hammering intent
Townie vibe: +1

P165: Seeks clarification Re: Non Im reads
Townie vibe: +1

P168: Asks good pro-town questions Re: his reads on others that haven’t been discussed much
Townie vibe: +1

p194: Alex takes a stance Re claim and I agree with this – scum will most likely claim PR top fish, but yes, I do agree that DSJ is most likely to be town
Townie vibe: +1

p200: Yes, the ‘Placeholder’ vote sounded weird, another good pro-town question
Townie vibe: +1

P202 – I got a weird vibe from this interaction with yoda – I can’t really place my finger on it, but it just seems a bit off to me. Seems like an odd response to just say “fair”. Idk, just rubbed me the wrong way.
Scummy vibe: -1


@ Yoda, how does this placeholder vote differ to your vote on DSJ?


P206 – Alex’s reads feel similar to my sentiments Re: scumscale overall prior to ISOing everyone.
Townie vibe: +2

P207 – discussion with yoda continues on from p202, still feels a bit weird. Idk.
I don’t really agree with merc’s post being too irksome – seemed reasonable to me.
Scummy vibe: -1

NAI posts: 17,18,69,70,166,169,193,208,210

Summary: +7. Town Read.

Hm this points system is a bit arbitrary, I have more of a TR on DSJ than I do on Alex but the points system has Alex in front, I guess some of these +1’s should be more like +0.5’s etc if I was to arrive at how I actually read the 2 players in relative terms overall.

-10 for Fish is probably overly high a number for how much I actually FoS Fish, too, in relative terms.

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@ Fish - You've obviously read my post since you are denying the role fishing that I stated.
I'm still awaiting a response Regarding what "other minor tells" you had on DSJ.

[72offsuit]

Your system also sucks because it takes no account for posters with low counts.

Like if you have a confbias towards me I'm going to have a significantly higher scum score under your system because I have a lot of posts and you don't like a lot of my posts.

What you lack is a reason why scum me acts the way that you say is Making me scummy.

Also, admit that me talking about what potential prs should do as a result is not role fishing. With the tracker claim there are 3, yes I missed one, but really it doesn't matter because the friendly neighbor can't do anything to protect the claimed tracker, so there would be no reason for them to out today anyways.

I just conceded that this points system I'm trialing, doesn't work exactly how intended.

Yes, the system does have flaws, I agree - yes i can see a key limitation is ppl with low post counts will score a lot less
I just stated that I don't feel you are as high as '-10' on the town-to-scum scale

No, I'm not going to be solely basing my decisions on the # value that comes up, its just helping me keep a bit of a track of my thoughts

Re: the PRs role fishing. OK i guess the missing a potential set-up could have been an oversight.

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Yoda ISO:

P66 I liked how he is getting players to take stance on lurkers, so that down the track someone doesn’t just say “super lurker, im voting for them” when earlier they say lurking isn’t very high on their scummy-actions-scale
Townie vibe: +1

p63 : TR on Alex which i agree with, ‘dusnt rag on non imh’
Townie vibe: +1

P76: votes for fish

P131: Still don’t see anything of note posted by Yoda Re: reactions to wagons, the whole reason he says he is voting on all the wagons - Only some rather superficial view of the actual player being wagoned, but not of the other players.
Scummy vibe: -1

P179: I don’t think this is a very townie-vibe type of read of the tracker claim. It’s like he is saying that he believes the claim due to meta-reasons of what ppl in general do, rather than actually trying to read into the specific case in front of us, the actual statements made by DSJ and the vibe given off by him.
I agree with Alex, scum is more likely to claim PR.
Scummy vibe: -2

P182: Still don’t really get the placeholder vote.

P198: asks pro-town question of Math.
Townie vibe: +1

NAI posts: Most of his posts – 22,24,26,27,28,32,37,38,46,50,54,64,65,78,80,99,102,107,123,147,178,183,190,191,195,199,201,230,204,209,211,232,235,237,238.

Summary: Overall neutral. A lot of posts, but feels a bit like not a whole lot of substance

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Non Imh ISO:

P97: I don’t like this “Taking time to read” post but then doesn’t post anything substantive after this so called in depth read.
Scummy vibe: -1

P100: @ Non Imh: Echoing Yoda’s post, I’m still not understanding this post – who is the new player taking the role of leader?

P108: Not sure what to make of the DJs/Egi read. Good in that he takes a stance to FoS someone but 0 substance behind it.

P155: Random Alex vote, but if Im getting the gist he is doing it to “hear more from the guy”

NAI posts: 40,41,42,85,89,90,98,164,170,171

Summary: -1, but I have an overall neutral read. Simply not much substance

[72offsuit]

I scumread all of 212/214/216.
VOTE: Egix96

Offsuit has a weird posting style.

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First one: I hadn't yet seen that I wasn't supposed to explicitly say that, so my bad.
Second/third ones: I'm not really seeing what you're getting at here; you think that I'm scum for defending Former? I feel he's town now.

Also, what do you find weird about 72's posting style?

What makes you feel Fish is town Egix?

[72offsuit]

Egix ISO:

P103: Felt like a premature unvote off Fish, still think this was weird. If Fish is ever lynched and flips scum, potential scum duo – as in wanting to have a record of voting for Fish at some stage
Scummy vibe: -1

P104: TR on math’s post which felt like a genuine townie read
Townie vibe: +1

P144: reasonable response to my query of his unvote, but as stated above it still feels weird, not sure if im over-reading into this.

P145- TRs me

P214: hard for me to put my finger onto this one. I guess depends on if Fish is ever lynched, what he flips as. If he flips town, this post seems pro-town, questioning Yoda’s criticising of wording re claim – intent to hammer pretty much asks for that. I agree, in that I don’t see an issue with Fish’s wording of it, but rather the action of intent to hammer despite not having hammer. Therefore I see this as a scummy post if Fish flips as scum.
Scummy vibe: -0.5

P228: TRs Fish – but little explanation regarding the read given. I don’t see Fish as being pro town at all.
Scummy vibe: -0.5


NAI posts: 44,105,106,143,144,212,213,215,216.

Summary: Overall neutral, perhaps slight scumlean

[72offsuit]

Merc ISO:

Not much to ISO at all.

P 120: votes for DSJ with ok reasoning.

p150: I also would like to know more Re: what yoda believes we have garnered following his wagon hopping
Townie vibe: +1

NAI: p58,121

Overall neutral feel given zero content/lurking

[72offsuit]

P 120: votes for DSJ with ok reasoning.

What's "ok reasoning" to you?

Have you checked out the post i made in response to your rather aggressive request for me to respond yet?

Love to hear what you think about my reasoning for voting Jstr when I did.

I've already answered this in my ISO of you.
I said that I thought your reasoning for the vote on DSJ at that time was a townie move\ and i accordingly assigned you a +1 in my much=maligned points system...
I likewise saw DSJ's 'dodge' post as scummy.

Your explanation of the "other minor tells" now makes your choice of counter-wagon much more understandable.
I don't really get why you didn't just post these reasons earlier however.

[72offsuit]

When you say they are playing into scum hands do you mean my hand? I completely agreed that a scum wouldn't be pushing early which is why I made the comment that you looked scum only because you targeted a PR. But if I was a mafia why would I claim a PR when it could get CC'd immediately. I basically killed myself tonight... I clearly am not the best at this game because I just started, I can't tell if you over/under estimating my ability. You basically forced me to put you at L-1. I really would have rather put pressure on someone who hasn't spoken much. If you still thought it was me why are you not voting me? FUCK you were 1 of 3 people I thought could be the other PR.

VOTE: FormerFish

L-1

but I do think people are just saying what looks good. What I mean by that is that Former looks bad because he made a PR reveal, and that people are going to agree with me because I outed as a PR.

No, I've said your claim is to be believed until something happened to change that scenario, like a counter, which we'd examine if one came.

I was saying that town voting me is doing scums bidding because they know getting me out of the game early is better for them. The more time I get and the more interactions I have the tighter the town block I'm going to build. At least 1 scum is pushing me right now, I would say it was whoever started doing it second because they were embolden by the 1st personz who's probably town by the way.

I doubt the 3rs person is scum, probably just excited town.

I don't think that both scum would be pushing me right now because when I flip town, which they know I will, it would put a big target on the people pushing me for tomorrow's lynch.

Could I get your reads brah? My take away from this post is that you're scum reading Yoda.

Yoda's placeholder vote on me feels a little more suspect right now on second thought.

I'd concur with this, I'm not a huge fan of the casual "leave my vote here and see what happens" approach he was taking

Also @Fish, could you tell me about your mentality with the whole declaring intent to hammer on a wagon you're already on. You totally dismissed the question last time I asked it as if it was a joke. If you're town, treat it as a learning experience for me to understand the town motivation behind it.

Likewise, I'm eager to hear a response as this is the primary reaaon for me voting for Fish

[72offsuit]

Alright calm your farm m8, no one here's hating on you.
I always thought a hammer test was more actually pretending to hammer someone when they couldn't be hammered to see reactions and not straight up asking for a claim. Is this a regular thing that I've missed in my games or is it more just a playstyle thing you fancy personally? I'll dig through your ISO when I can be bothered and have a check in any case.
Thank you for answering.

lol, what he said in a nutshell ^

[72offsuit]

Nah I'm from Aus

I'm from Melbourne. You?

[72offsuit]

y'all want to kill me off? kk, I wanna hammer.
great acting, Former/Yoda? idk
smarter than he lets on, jk? idk
voted cuz ND tr-ed me for no good reason IMO
skipped them, no offense, glad he had fun tho
kek
green, maybe

don't make me read anymore, nearly 1am, need sleep

p-edit
figured jk/cc/scum, then scum?, idk, too self-aware

I've understood almost nothing of this. Can you please explain further or is someone able to translate this for me...

[72offsuit]

What does everyone think of this claim?

I dislike it but obviously don't hang him.
UNVOTE: Dsj

Why don't you like it? Is there a reason you think that DS might be lying?

Also means that we have either a Jailkeeper or a doctor.

If we have a Jailkeeper they should be trying to stop the kill by picking scum.

If we have a doctor the doctor should either be on Jstr or maybe not? Wifom of course means that scum will be forced to not kill Jstr to make sure their kill goes through.

No other prs should out themselves. And if for some shit reason the next person run up is the other or don't say which one please.

If the other person is the jk they can just say it (if at L-1 and intent to hammer)? Because the mafia would already know it's a jk.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Please explain a little more for me.

First Part: Those are weird questions? DSJ is lying if he's mafia and I was scumreading him before he claimed.
Second Part: If DS is town and mafia have a roleblocker the mafia know it is a jk. Saying "I am either the doctor or the JK" is bad because mafia can deduce which one whereas town can not.

Agreed. I just find it a bit strange for an SE to miss that. Granted it's probably just an honest mistake.

I see no possible agenda for missing it.

I scumread all of 212/214/216.
VOTE: Egix96

Offsuit has a weird posting style.

I've been thinking about how if I was vt then would everyone not be as suspicious about Former?

A vt claim is still negative for town. Outcome of the claim doesn't matter in terms of scumreading former because he had no way of knowing what you would claim unless you two are w/w which is unlikely.

@NDMath
OK... you have commented on the posting style.

Do you have any thoughts on the content in my ISO posts?

[72offsuit]

Awaiting Merc's thoughts on the game.

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Guys, it was a riff on dont hate the player, hate the game.

Im not saying that anyone literally hates me. I think you guys should drink your own koolaid and relax.

Hmm... koolaid... sounds tasty. Are you offering some?

[72offsuit]

Sigh... Id really like us to wait for mercs replacement before wany more intent to hammers please.

[72offsuit]

I felt like this was going to be a solid game.
Now with all the replacements and trolloling it feels like the game has taken a nose dive.

It sorta feels like non imh is maf and merc left because he was partenered with him, lol.

The vote for fish by GBJ looks like jumping on a wagon with votes, no real analysis added.

After all the effort of d1 it feels like we r resorting to a policy lynch of a lurker / unhelpfultown-worst case scenario-mafia-best-case-scenario in nonimh

[72offsuit]

What is everyone's read on GBJ so far?

[72offsuit]

*psst*
*whispers* I think that's your cue Fish

This definitely sounds like caught mafia trying to pretend who their partner is.

[72offsuit]

Is ndmath still here? Does he need to be prodded?
Last post was on Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:24 pm ad far as i can see.

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@ndmath who r ur top 2 scummiest?