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Post #86 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:20 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 38, bugspray wrote:Seems like trying to pocket me by extending various pointless conversations to build rapport
In post 42, Luca Blight wrote:The former for putting effort into answering the RVS questions
Gimme a break here, the game just started and I was getting antsy to post. Not a lot I could have worked with. Plus I had 4 hours till my next lecture.
SL. The way you handled your wagon seemed overly defensive, just for getting to L-2.
Like,
In post 71, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Honestly, if your all town scum should just quick hammer me for lols so the host can get a scummy for the game with the quickest Day 1 lynch.
Or has that already been beat?
But it's not very confident right now. The only thing that's throwing me off, is that, if there aren't scum on your wagon right now, wouldn't it be a very opportune time to bring it to L-1? Or, who's his scum partner pushing a counter-wagon?
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Post #151 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:26 pm
Postby GeorgeBailey »
Ok, so first off. Sorry for absence. (Just got a new job and I bit off more than I could chew with these games. That's all on me, and i'm trying here.)
Second, the TSE wagon is stagnant, I haven't been a fan of TSE's recent response to his wagon (i'll get more into that tonight) But I think there should be a little mix-up. Chazary has been a bit under the radar.
VOTE: Chazary
I understand scumreading TSE for the Mason claim, (in a noob game, always follow poe's law), but I don't see many other reason to scumread him right now. And the way he reacted to it, didn't seem opportunistic. JacksonVirgo obviously knows him and said that's his style. (Oh god the Town Of Salem Forums look really bad though). TSE is still a scumlean but that's not a hard scumclaim.
In post 146, Chuck Shurley wrote:Did anyone else notice that Jackson is simultaneously tactically distancing themselves from AND emotionally buddying with TSE? This is calculated behavior and I'm curious about the motivation behind it.
Jack and TSE do have good scum equity together. Or they could just be good friends that find it hard to distance during games.
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Post #155 (isolation #8) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:42 pm
Postby GeorgeBailey »
Although most of Jackson's posts were chit-chatting with TSE, then townreading him for meta reasons. And Jackson has been doing most of the buddying too.... Big think time.
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Post #256 (isolation #16) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:05 pm
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 249, bugspray wrote:tse youve been more towny lately which is good but i dont think ill trust you until you're on a wagon that flips scum
Man, trying to read TSE right now got me acting strange. He's playing really different from his scum game last game. He seemed to be overly aggressive and taunting.
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Post #335 (isolation #17) » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:41 pm
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 266, Luca Blight wrote:He isn't a fan of TSE's response, but decides it isn't worth pursuing because the wagon is stagnant? Since when has a stagnant wagon been a reason not to pursue a scumread?
A stagnant wagon can mean one of two things: 1. It's a scum-driven wagon that's only gaining traction/being pushed by scum, or 2. We're hitting Scum and their partner is pushing a counter-wagon.
I don't scumread Chaz, I actually nullread them before. Which is why my vote stayed on him for pressure.
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Post #340 (isolation #21) » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:06 pm
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 339, Luca Blight wrote:'Oh, maybe Luca/Bugs are scum driving this wagon, let me vote Chaz instead'
That isn't my point.
I did it for a few reasons. I wanted to see if Chaz would become the counter wagon to TSE. And because I believe Chaz's interactions with Chuck weren't sufficient for a TR. He was null at the time. I think he's TL now.
And Chaz didn't really become the counter-wagon since no one was really pushing it.
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Post #342 (isolation #22) » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:22 pm
Postby GeorgeBailey »
Jackson Virgo, most of their ISO is heavily defending TSE, and they haven't tried to do a lot of sorting either. Their current vote is even on someone scumreading TSE. I think this more likely to come from scum than from town, contrast to Chazary's opinion.
1. This could be scumteam (that would be kinda funny given that they're friends) and their partner is going full damage control
2. This could be scum pocketing town, and then when a mislynch happens they reap townie points.
In post 293, chazary wrote:
I don't understand the point of this. So you're confident about your read on TSE but don't want to L-1 him yet. And then you try and convince the rest of us why we shouldn't be afraid of L-1ing if we're confident in our reads. Like, yeah but who says any of us are confident in our reads. And we're probably all thinking the same thing as far as waiting for more activity from other players. So why feel the need to urge others to L-1 someone?
Putting someone at l-1 even if they flip scum and getting an early night is still not an optimal situation for town. We have a lot of quiet slots who we should want to hear more from before the deadline ends.
to +1 this, we're in a newbie game right now. Lolhammers are real and they happen lmao.
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Post #379 (isolation #28) » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:02 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 367, DkKoba wrote:imma be a bit weird here but this entrance post after subbing in gives me weird vibes, like I see defusal here + with the lack of interaction with bare mentions of bugspray, and bugspray's similar avoidance of interacting with you + your slot having voted bugspray right away(not rly that big but small coincidences add up), I am semi confident about this, at the very least I think u 2 are the same alignment
So you're scumreading them because of their lack of interaction with each other? You gave a point for volxen, what's your point for scumreading bug?
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Post #382 (isolation #29) » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:14 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 368, Aloratom wrote:Overall, TSE and JV give me equal slight scum vibes, and while I'd rather lynch actual scum, I don't mind a mislynch to put it to rest.
Yikes, why are you fine with a mislynch on someone you don't think will flip red? I mean, JV is my top scumpick, and you said you'd be willing to vote for them. But you seem really passive about it. Like you know there's a good chance they'll flip green.
In post 368, Aloratom wrote:This is a strange post. First, the part about always following Poe's law. Context is key. Adhering to strict rules can get you in trouble.
Context is key, but it's lost on Newbies in this type of setup. Following poe's law let's Newbies know that it's a joke.
In post 368, Aloratom wrote:After reading it, I'm really not sure where GB stands with regard to TSE and Jackson Virgo
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Post #629 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:28 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
Looking at DK, I think his initial stunt would have been far-fetched if he didn't actually have provable meta behind it, but he does. The recent flame-war
So now it comes to Volx.
Volx just seems like a low-activity-null-read right now. He could just be struggling to catch up (As Alora mentioned, but voted him?). We should probably give him a bit more time before putting at L-1/Hammer.
I'm still more comfortable with JV right now, their distancing with TSE seems really reactive and i'm confident they will flip red.
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Post #635 (isolation #41) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:55 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 632, Aloratom wrote:Geez. I don't want them at L-1 right now. That's reckless.
UNVOTE: All
I mean, I understand this mentality initially, but there's not really anymore newbs in this game. This is no one's first game. Lolhammering this early is pretty much a scum claim. And keeping Volx at L-1 would have been good pressure.
I agree that both George and TSE look scummy at the moment. The former for putting effort into answering the RVS questions and building rapport, and the latter for his ‘claim’.
In post 328, bugspray wrote:I really feel like gb is struggling to be himself this game VOTE: gb
I don't care if policy lynching is a spook, every lynch is a policy lynch it's just some policies aren't as universal
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Post #639 (isolation #44) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:10 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
oh and why/how. I think you answered the questions DK threw at you quite well. The whole flame-war looked more like a miscommunication error than scum struggling in a fight. And I think it was quite likely TvT.
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Post #647 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:51 am
Postby GeorgeBailey »
In post 646, chazary wrote:So what have you garnered from the most recent wagons?
Nothing substantial, a flip gives better insights on wagons. If Volx flips scum, ok, who interacted/ didn't interact. If he flips town, was it co-ordinated by scum?
If he flips Town, then we can look at the TSE wagon. Was Volx a counter-wagon to TSE?