Newbie 2026 | Space | Over

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i can definitely see where the read comes from.
i think i'm just a glutton for punishment. i'm pretty sure this game will run on.

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it's kerset.

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the bread is really damn good.

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whyyyy does 1013 feel like a scumsliiiiiiiiippppppppp

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VOTE: clark gl

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Assumed this is a miselim: sorry Clarky. Seeya in the postgame.

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Kerset would've jailed you; I think they're amenable to changing their mind if we had a chance to speak about it, but they are above all a sensible player with good reverence for open games & mech play so like. yeah you're unambiguously cleared. sorry for the confusion; I legit thought your d3 had some scum equity.

I guess it's time for us to have some fun. I'd like shelly & ivy to crossvote please.

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iso of porkens/umlaut + ivy

other one will take some work using a super cool trick a friend of mine found.

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iso of tira/willow/shelly + porkens/umlaut

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My Day 3 here was probably my weakest play ever. I legitimately blanked on a ton of mechanical elements of the game, and lost the plot as a result. There was simply no chance of recovering from that without dying or being cleared. And then I misunderstood the gamestate and pushed for the /wrong one/. Bad play all around, my fault.

it's ok; it happens.

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aorn I'm leaning weakly towards voting shelly over ivy but I'm predisposed to bias from earlier in the game so imma do some reading first.

did you wanna towncase shelly to scumcase ivy at all MUSH? obviously the onus isn't on you to carry this f4; we'll share the burden. but us critiquing each others' solves is gonna be what finds the valuable tells here imo.

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how'd you do that worsty? really cool

these three boxes support up to 3 users. Jacksonvirgo pointed out a while ago that you can concatenate the URLs from multi-user ISOs to make one link with as many players as you want

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Spicy. I'd like Ivy to respond to that when she checks in.

I'll hop onto explaining my shelly anxities tomorrow. I think the towntells I'm seeing from her are quite easily fakeable especially given her self-awareness. In retrospect she played D3 in a way that made it veeery unlikely that she would be jailkept (capitalising on your faltering towniness while insisting that she would be absolutely fine with being jailkept herself, without actually pushing against you).

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when hell freezes over, my friend

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eh I'm actively aware I'm paranoid/nervous
it's more a tell that I need to work harder than a reliable tell of your alignment

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now I wanna murder ivy more hmm

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I'm a little busy, ivy should go first I think.

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timestamp scumreads are my jaaaam
as long as they aren't moderator communication timestamps
don't talk about those bad boys

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still busy, still gonna do that when i can

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how will u feel if u lose newbie 2026 to it?

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i have

an opinion

but, yeah, need to recalibrate and get a bias check.

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I can't talk about whether I feel it's an emotional appeal that's town or scum until later. However, you may amuse yourself by considering a situation in both worlds where the timing of the first post was /legitimate/ and the emotional reaction was too.

this is satisfying at some cerebral way, i was feeling something similar.

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how did you feel when you replaced into yet another scumslot?

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I think shelly doesn't entertain counterfactuals regardless of alignment. Sound accurate to you, the worst?

concur heavily.

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what is life, but a jigsaw with one missing duck-shaped piece?

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NO PRESSURE *sweats*
yeah, feel free to go back to work. i'll get onto this when i have thinking time. as opposed to shitposting time, which is near-24/7.

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i think i can see the fulcrum which placeholder 3 swings around, and if i'm reading it correctly i agree that's probably a very seriously important dialogue but not one i'm quite ready for aorn

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huh, i never realised people's roles were in their titles before.


well, that's a wrap i guess.

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fear me, the supreme slanderer

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plot listens & delivers once again. like the santa of newbie games.

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oh i need to actually do deep reading, not just lazily post what i'm thinking rn, so i've made no progress while being at work

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she either can't be bothered or knows it's false, idrt it's relevant

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damn hidden scum triplevoters. we hate to see it.

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I think mush is inviting us to look for what she's seeing

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@Mush, something to think on while I'm still not really able to case: shelly entered d3 with fairly low confidence, and was very go with the flowy. Now that we're in the f4 obviously it has to be her or ivy, but she feels very... Like, extremely confident is one thing. but more importantly, it feels like she feels entitle to duel it out with someone who fhpov is basically just literally confirmed scum. She entered d3 uncertain of how to proceed and has entered d4 ready to *win an argument*. Winning arguments is Shelly's jam, regardless of her alignment. She's good at it as scum.

Her daystart post was clearly prewritten lol

There's been a couple of parts in her posting which haven't felt like someone talking about someone who is confirmed scum to them -- I'll dig them up.

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ooooof

I also find it weird how ivy does not address my self towncase

tbh is ivy's choice to not address my self towncase a TMI slip since they know I am town?

this is a pretty good example.

if she's town, then ivy is necessarily scum. but it feels like she still wants to be seen to be evaluating Ivy's alignment - there's elements of her posting which can be attributed to like, knowing she's right, but I don't feel like her push is /consistently/ coming from a mindset that knows it's right.

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I wrote another version of daystart post if there was no kill over the night.

sure dig them up and I will change your mind because ivy is lockscum

also wanting to duel with ivy is a protown mindset since i want this lim

it is if you're town, sure
but it's also prodcum if you're scum
you need this lim no matter what

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There's no way Mafia has a roleblocker left alive right?

Ivy what were you thinking here?

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pedit: I need it because im town end of convo

I wish it was the end of the convo
(༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ)

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shelly just slipped that she knows it's a townslip
GG gottem

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that's what they all say

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if you don't mind humouring me shelly - what do you consider the difference between your towngame & scumgame? sorry for the cheesy question. I don't want your answer to relate to this game. just in general, how do you think you conduct yourself differently?

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what will it take to convince you that I simply messed up my words

you have to promise that you'll let me win against you next time you roll scum

(for sake of siterules just saying: this is a joke)

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town: more aggressive pushing, actively trying to gamesolve, genuine reads
scum: more manipulative, I have a clear gameplan and in chat mafia I have TMI slipped more than once

my towngame is wack tbh, scumgame definitely better than towngame

I've definitely been this person at a couple of points in my career hmm

generally agree. what if I told you you tmi slipped last phase and perspective slipped this phase?

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What does no NK usually mean as a tactic?

goddamnit both of you have townslipped
both of your preds have weird associatives with porkens
ha haaaaaaa

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I think I just solved this game. but I need to go water my cat. please stand by.

pedit: I'm wifom irl

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Mush, wanna end this game in a couple of hours?

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Spoiler: the answer

I was the last scum all along.

FR though I need to go for like an hour or so

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What does no NK usually mean as a tactic?

I'd also argue that Willow was attempting to ask for town to give

them

a reason as to why there wasn't a kill, as they couldn't give on themselves as it wasn't intentional (it was JK right?)

given Willow's cautious disposition do you think scum does this? over e.g. just not posting at all?

not a leading questions, I'm curious.

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I'm up to solving tonight. My sleep schedule is wrecked anyway, I'll be here.

get excited. scum are gonna be shaking in their boots!!!

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I think kerset is the last mafia and Plotinus pranked us. I'm the jailkeeper.

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walking through a little cheeky storm rn: for reals I think I was dumb and you and Clark are right and it's just ivy.

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I went back and tried to talk through what I saw as towny from ivy and in short it was the nuanced consideration of porkens' opener and basically very little else until her question about the jailkeeper. Given we're in a situation where both slots who can be scum have scumslipped I kind of just need to sideline that and when you consider the net consequences of her evaluation on porkens she just found really stretched reasons to townread him

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I didn't like Tira much but their reaction to porkens was the sum of voting his ass, then lurking. and honestly that's low-key a mood because I think I would she just voteparked him off pg1 too

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D2 fine whatever they were both scummy in retrospect; there's nothing associative clearing with umlaut imo
D3 both underwhelming which is a weak towntell for shelly if she's in the PoE I think, ivy was never under threat d3 and so didn't really have an opportunity to throw is anything valuable
D4 I think shelly's abrasiveness is within the scope of her scum meta but I thhhiiinnnkkkk there's some personality level meta tells that she's not trying to manipulate us

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idk fam I think shelly posts nearly the same if she's scum but probably a bit less and is probably a bit less....how do I put this

in the last game we were in together she was directly hostile towards me on rep in (to the point where I sassed her for it and asked her to have a glass of water and try again ), like she was motivated to make me look like scum in that game so undermining my credibility was +EV but I suppose the point is she approached me with an agenda

here I feel like she is also pushing an agenda and the sum of the agenda is "UGG FINALLY LETS END THIS" combined with "no. stupid. stop." when I'm barking up the wrong tree and it feels more ........ organic?

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if we give credence to the townslips I think Willow's was probably more sincere and conversational than Ivy's but that's whatever.

idk the more I go to argue for town!ivy the more I don't want to

I think her dialogue with shelly today is fine. they both want to win. I don't think there's a tonne of AI stuff to be gained from today, despite me tormenting them both. :3

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Now, can you touch on the emotional reaction covered under Placeholder 3, and specifically the part of shelly's play that might very well affect the timing of Ivy's play? I think I see where this is going, but I want to be 100% certain we're on the same page.

the big thing I'm vibing is that the more vexed shelly gets, the more detached ivy gets - I think it's probably more of a playstyle indicator than an alignment indicator.

I thought placeholder 3 was about agenda-driven/non-agenda-driven d3 play

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Let's fluff a little more to get one or two more pics outta plot

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With my mum atm I'll read soon.

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plot listens & delivers once again. like the santa of newbie games.

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I'm sorely tempted to do just that.

Do you see any holes in my side of things here?

Hmm not particularly. We're reaching the same conclusion from fairly different angles and I actually feel roughly comfortable about that. Does that mean we're about to win the game? I have no idea~~

I do agree the correctly townread thing is easily something shelly posts as town. she's more earnest as town but is as a matter of personality, almost never cautious. she read earnest but not cautious imo.

pedit: good call; I actually think shelly was the opposite of hyperaggressive d3. if anything I felt like the prewritten post thing gave me whiplash on the leap from confusion to hyper laser focus burying ivy

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I feel like, more righteous atm than I think I'll get if I deliberate over this
VOTE: Ivy
hammer's yours, ms. SHAGANA.

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i feel like town in Ivy's boosts probably tries to reason rather than ate here

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which is your m.o. as either alignment here, hence giving me pause. :p

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No, I don't really have any reason, I don't know or think I could get out of this, Plus it's 3 am and I'm really tired, if you want I could post in the morning after able to do one last reread but I'm currently on mobile

it's fine; if you feel like you have something substantial to add I'm happy to unvote (ftpov that it's better to let newbies play the game to their hearts content basically) but I do think it's very likely you.

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Shelly's WIM is thru the roof rn

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WIM = Wants It More.
it's not an acronym used much on mafiascum but it's like, how much someone wants to win the game.

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pls don't troll

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we all know tw/mush was the secret scumteam come on

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One thing that bothers me is Ivy inability to fight. If we happen to have F4 it will be just onesided discussion/interrogation. Maybe the highest odds to win would jail!ivy tactic to let shelly&mush discuss.

sigh

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ggwp town this was super taxing and I just wasted my life on this mylo

my goals when coming in were 1. get towncred asap and lim clark 2. don't get jailed so kerset dies. If I don't get limmed and jailed I found out i had quite a high chance to win the f4.

2/2 it's dawned on me what you're doing in the twilight before Xylo and then I've failed to actually follow through on killing you in xylo. So mad.

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SHELLY
I HAVE FEELINGS
COME ON DUDE

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Thanks for hosting as always Plot. Your attentiveness and professionalism are matched only by the care you take in curating such lovely flavour. <3 happy to replace into one of your games again.

Sorry all. Mostly Clark ivy and kerset. And sorry I didn't try to capitalise on what I was seeing in town!ivy, mush. I feel a bit silly losing to the same scum twice in a fortnight and doing it even more foolishly the second time.

Happy to do some postgame feedback thingoes if people want them!

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worsty feedback please

stop rolling scum or I'll cry

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worsty feedback please

stop rolling scum or I'll cry

eh for real I'm surprised how well you took on the feedback from last game, maybe. I can tell in hindsight that you played to an agenda. I felt you swimming against the tide a couple of times. But when I went back to look for it i couldn't see it as clearly as I could in our last game.

The later replacement might have aided this so don't get too confident, I'll catch u next time >:C

but the other thing I wanted to say is you did really well in subverting linear improvement too. Like you didn't just play an agenda driven game while trying to look cute. Your explanation outburst at the end of d4 makes me think you were actually really deliberate and careful about the way you approached how you handled the game. It's hard to put it into words exactly; I wasn't expecting you to adapt your scumgame to be as considered as it felt this time round.

I think you intuited something about the memory test as well which is basically...confidence > accuracy.

I'll think on of I have any suggestions for improvement. Generally, well played! Also I'm angry and I'm uninviting you to my birthday party.

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Thank you to everyone for playing, and especially thank you to Plotinus for modding. Sorry I couldn't pull it through final day, Shelly you played well, and certainly earned that win.
Lot of fun for my first forum game...
Now gn everyone I need sleep >,>

sleep well. sorry again </3

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the worst you promised something

I promised many things and FAILED

I did try my best to go into this operating under the assumption that the weaker arguer was town, and reach a solve via earlygame rather than hyperfocus on the machinations of the lategame.

I did listen to MUSH a bit (I didn't really read Shelly's cases in a bunch of detail because whatever) but I fucked this up entirely on my own, I promise.

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Gg! Sorry I had to dip out. Once I saw shellac replace in I was like “no worries scum win anyway.”

same exactly and I still fell for it.. smh

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Ooooh welcome back!!
I'll keep an eye out for you and try to sneak into one of your games.

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oh dude hells yes

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I tend to agree with Mr. Dog.

scum is awesome because you can really decide how the game plays out (and hope like hell nobody notices); VT is fun because you can really just scream to your heart's content.....tpr is rough. You need to constantly evaluate how worthwhile your mechanical information is, vs. how much you believe & should push your reads. And because your mechanical info is so valuable, there's a really high cost to misplaying.

I'd rather rand VT than tpr and rather rand scum than town - but I think it'd be interesting to see tpr!shelly too

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tpr in an open is the best lazy role. As long as you don't lurk until xylo, you're confirmable - and then you probably get nightkilled. It takes a lot of the pressure off the game. But I think a lot of the fun in mafia comes from the tension / the thought exercise; unless you're in a lazy mood, tpr is less spiritually rewarding.

Honestly I just want to see your towngame in a non-marathon format.

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Oh the main person saying that was me but I was /very/ loud. Yes her scumgame emulates her towngame a lot more than I expected in practice

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yeah, we lost this at the end of day three. even keeping MUSH in the PoE we really should have jailkept shelly irrespective of the outcome, and I kind of hugely regret not working harder on solving Clark.

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I threw though, if i was jailed or shelly was jailed we'd have won guarenteed. Next time roll me scum so i dont fall into these conundrums

I was tempted to claim friendly neighbour D2 but I'd already distanced from you and wasn't sure if you'd trust me enough