Newbie 2037 - Game Over

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Hey everyone! This is a fairly new player list how exciting

VOTE: Italiano

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Hey everyone! This is a fairly new player list how exciting

VOTE: Italiano

Hey Mini How’s it going?

Yeah good. Haven’t played with you in a while looking forward to this game tbh lots of new people

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Let’s make things interesting with some RQS

For those that don’t know, RQS is called Random Questioning Stage and it has its advantages. And this is for everyone in the playerlist. Non answers get scumread.

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

1 Eh it’s okay I guess not exactly experienced but I know how the game works lol
2 Really depends on my mood but most of the time I like playing town as I like picking who I think the scum is
3 Reactions to posts directed at the certain player
4 How well they try to solve the game
5 Difficult extremely difficult lol

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Also Italiano I’m not gonna say it’s a scum read on you but the questions on what people look for when town hunting/scum hunting pings me as something a scum would ask to try and play to the townie way each person describes

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Sorry for the triple post.

ItalianoVD, do you dislike RVS?

Ehh, I don’t prefer it. I’d rather jut get to the scumhunting; Actually I don’t like Day 1s cause there’s not a lot to go on and you usually have to get lucky to get scum on the first day.

Italiano do you feel you can scum hunt easier with RQS instead of RVS?

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Also Italiano I’m not gonna say it’s a scum read on you but the questions on what people look for when town hunting/scum hunting pings me as something a scum would ask to try and play to the townie way each person describes

Is the RQS the basis for your vote or did it influence it at all?

Nah nothing influenced my vote generally a vote that’s made in RVS isn’t influenced by much if anything at all

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Anyways I’m off to sleep night all!

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You really think I’d be asking the town how to scum?

You have a good point there I don’t think you would but I would say the same thing to anyone that asked those questions

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My take on it is that both RQS and RVS are ways to get to know the players. I think RQS is a more direct way and RVS a more indirect way, but to answer your question yes. I feel RQS helps me understand the players better than RVS, which in turn helps in scumhunting and also townhunting.

Okay that’s a pretty fair point but I just think RQS can be dangerous in terms of telling the scum what you’re looking for in a town/scum person but that’s just my opinion

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Where are you Dunnstral?

Have they even posted at all?

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Padwag any chance you could please set an avatar? Just makes it easier to identify your posts

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First!

VOTE: Dunnstral

That move you pulled in the newbie with me and Bailey was foul.

Remind me what you're talking about

Welcome Dunnstral!

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Did not mean to quote that post my bad

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I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

How did this happen 4 pages in?? What is town going to get out of this?

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You really think I’d be asking the town how to scum?

You have a good point there I don’t think you would but I would say the same thing to anyone that asked those questions

Can you explain your comment then?

It seems scummy to do but I’ve played with Italiano before so I don’t think they would need to ask for their benefit

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I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Also why did you make this vote? If you think someone else is scummier why not vote them instead of putting someone else at E-2?

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Like I said in 93, I don't like his read on Billy

Why exactly?

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Padwag any chance you could please set an avatar? Just makes it easier to identify your posts

I don't really know how.

Up the top left of the screen next to the private messages there is “user control panel”. Click on that and then click on the tab that says profile and scroll down until you see edit avatar.


Let me know if you need me to explain clearer

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Well minimegabyte, I got there, but I tried putting in pictures and it didn't work.

That could be because the picture was too big. There is a size maximum

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Where do you find an image to put as your avatar

I just got mine off google

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Sorry I wasn’t active today guys been really busy and it’s now 1am imma head off to sleep but will catch up tomorrow

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Alright so imma quickly do a little bit of catching up before this storm hits as i may lose power which means internet too

What question are you referring to Billy?

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I found 2 questions and i seriously dont know how i missed them my apologies.

Spoiler:

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

How did this happen 4 pages in?? What is town going to get out of this?

What about this is striking to you? Is it the third vote/E-2 or is it something else?

I just find it strange how someone was at E-2 so quickly this early

You really think I’d be asking the town how to scum?

You have a good point there I don’t think you would but I would say the same thing to anyone that asked those questions

Can you explain your comment then?

It seems scummy to do but I’ve played with Italiano before so I don’t think they would need to ask for their benefit

What is your read of Italiano at the moment?

Italiano so far is trying to get the game moving in my eyes, even if it is through weird ways like his RQS so as of now i would say they are pretty townie

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UNVOTE: Unvote

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Facebones, what do you think of rockhopper?

Italiano, what do you think of minimegabyte? (If you have no opinion on them that's fine)

I have a question based on these posts.
Why do you feel the need to ask what players think of others?

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I'm new to this kind of game and strugglong to reads on everyone, these people seem a lot more experienced. I'm trying to learn what to look for

Thanks for the answer but that question was directed at Padwag as I quoted his posts

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VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

Here is my gut scumread

What gives you that gut feeling? Anything in particular or just an overall?

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What is weird about it? And what does that make you think about anything there with respect to people's alignments?

I just dont think i have every played a game where someone got to E-2 so quickly. So it amazed me that it happened so early

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You realize that wasn't the first wagon to get to E-2 this game right? At 78, I put a wagon to E-2. What happened there?

That one happens later in the game though around the time its happened in a couple of my games

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Also, I have no problem with being eliminated, but lets be sensible and give it another calendar day or 2 before we go through the E1 process.

In what universe is town ever okay with being eliminated? Being okay with being eliminated is not game solving at all

VOTE: NorfolkBoy1

That makes it E-1

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I dont understand this. Are you saying that the bakslash wagon that you commented on at 97 was the first E-2 wagon of the game? Because my vote was 78, and it put someone to E-2. I just didn't announce it. So im curious why you commented on this wagon but not the one I voted.

I didn’t realise there was one before that one I don’t go back and count votes all the time

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I am going to catch up as soon as I can. I have just woken up and have to go to hospital today

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Also, I have no problem with being eliminated

I'm Town Tracker.

Um what? I go back to my point of asking in what universe is Town especially a Town PR ever okay with being eliminated????

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There is seriously no way you are actually a tracker

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Hey everyone, I'm planning on reading the game later tonight since I'm somewhat busy rn. I'll give reads and stuff then

Welcome!

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Sorry I’ve been busy all day and I have an early start in the morning I will get on at some point tomorrow but until then I apologise for not being around

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both are still voting for a claimed town PR despite nobody offering a counter.

Well iirc I don’t think I’ve played with you before if I have it’s been a while. I just can’t wrap my head around the thought of a PR that is actually valuable to have to help track down scum being okay with themselves being eliminated especially on D1. And before you go on about explaining the game to me again, I have never played a game with a PR being okay with being eliminated at all let alone a D1 elimination. You say you’re leaving enough information behind for us other townies to work with but Wouldn’t it be better for us to have your help aswell? Until I get an answer to this I am not unvoting

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Mini, what are your reads on everyone?

I’m on mobile right now as I am out so I will post a full reads list when I get home

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mini RVS votes italiano and they have a chat - excellent distancing posting to make it look like they haven't spoken in a while (posts 15, 36, 37)

We haven’t spoken in a while! And because this is a fairly new player list for me it was good to see someone on there that I had played with before

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Also I’m regard to post 351 could you please do post tags so I can actually go back and look at them with light going through the entire game. Thanks

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Also In regards to post 351 could you please do post tags so I can actually go back and look at them without going through the entire game. Thanks

God dam I hate mobile this post I have fixed up the mistakes

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*mini tries to wriggle out of her earlier 'questioning' (post 98)

You really think I’d be asking the town how to scum?

You have a good point there I don’t think you would but I would say the same thing to anyone that asked those questions

Can you explain your comment then?

It seems scummy to do but I’ve played with Italiano before so I don’t think they would need to ask for their benefit

How is that trying to wriggle out of Questioning? I have an answer based on my experience. Sorry if it’s not good enough for you

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We have played together before, but I don't think you were able to play for long so subbed out early. That was the game I referenced a couple of times where someone was E2 within 20 or so posts.

Right! that does make those references make a bit more sense now. Also yeah wasnt in a good place at that time

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Obviously, it's better for town that i'm still involved, but you have to remember that at the time, it was 24 hours to deadline, lots of slots were silent and I was E1 (and don't forget who put me there). I had to claim and I had to explain. I've subsequently been proven right because whenever in the game I flip, there's loads of information to go on.

Right so now that you are starting to make sense to me I am going to start with unvoting.
UNVOTE: Norfolk
I am going to say it still amazes me about how you went about it, however if that is the way you play (and like you said you have been proven right before), then who am I to make you change. I just really hope you are right this time

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As for the post tags, i'll try to do that, but i'm exclusively playing on mobile and using anything other than Quick Reply takes me an age. I'll try to do it from now on, though.

Also thank you. I know its hard on mobile trust me. It just makes it easier is all

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Mini, what are your reads on everyone?

Alright as I said when I got home i said i would give a reads list. Lemme get it from my notes on my computer and post it here

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Current Reads List (Updated since my most recent posts)

Spoiler:

Town

Norfolk

(Non-CC Claim Tracker)

Billy

(AT the beginning it was a bit strange that they had their votes everywhere but as they got further into the game they are probably one of the few people that I know of actually giving the game a kick forward. I see this by them asking a lot of questions and attempting to engage others.)

Facebones

(Asks a lot of questions and tries to get the game moving. Again one of the few people to do so and just seems townie atm)

Rockhopper

(Makes a lot of comments and asks people to gain information through reactions and this to me seems like a pretty townie move along with their post of the unlikely pairings from what they think. It seems as though they arent afraid of sharing thoughts which is pretty townie in my eyes)

Null

Backslash

(Very few posts but there is two of them that really contradict each other one of the posts being the answers to Italiano's RQS 46 and 116 - Though this could just be the truth but to me their answer to question 3 really contradicts their next post after that. While they are contradicting I do think that post 169 is a townie post as they are throwing their thoughts out there. This is why they are null for now because i am just not sure.)

Italiano

(I dont really know what to think about them something seems weird to me but I cant really explain it. Its bad I know i am going to do a full ISO dive on them to see if anything can give me some real direction)

Wiyvern

(Not many posts so really cant get anything from what they have said apart from their read list and its not really somethign i would like to go off of at this point but it is good they shared their reads with everyone.)

Scum

Dunnstral

(Very few posts and barely any content. Now this is going to seem very OMGUS but really look at their ISO they vote Norfolk outta gut-which isnt too bad- and then unvotes Norfolk because of no CC which is fair. However they dont give any reason as to why they vote me apart from the points made from two other players are "good enough for a vote". These are the only content points and one of them is sheeped)

Based on this read list i am going to put my vote here

VOTE: Dunnstral

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Hewwo

Welcome!

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Hi Mini, why is there a wagon on you?

Because people think I am scummy

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I'm liking the look of a mini/italiano scum team and these are worth reading again:

*mini RVS votes italiano and they have a chat - excellent distancing posting to make it look like they haven't spoken in a while (posts 15, 36, 37)

*mini 'questions' RQS and italiano doesn't grill the responses as he did with the Town Tracker (posts 40, 49, 64 and 65)

*both call out Dunstrall in sync (posts 61 and 66)

*mini tries to wriggle out of her earlier 'questioning' (post 98)

*both pressure Rockhopper in sync (posts 99 and 102)

*Italiano chucks out a townread on mini with no reasoning beyond "she's always been town before" (post 171)

Also, both are still voting for a claimed town PR despite nobody offering a counter. Billy at least offered a reason for not believing my claim, even though my claim has a 50/50 chance of being immediately uncovered (which it won't, because it's the truth, as they both know).

Thats Norolks reason

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MiniMegabyte- Scum. I flip flopped on her originally, but after I read through the game more and more, my scumread on her grew more and more. It's mostly because I don't feel like they've contributed much. A lot of their posts(iirc) have been more like fluff posts and/or not related to reads and game advancing stuff.

Thats Wiyverns reason

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And dunnstral just agrees

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Current Reads List (Updated since my most recent posts)

Spoiler:

Town

Norfolk

(Non-CC Claim Tracker)

Billy

(AT the beginning it was a bit strange that they had their votes everywhere but as they got further into the game they are probably one of the few people that I know of actually giving the game a kick forward. I see this by them asking a lot of questions and attempting to engage others.)

Facebones

(Asks a lot of questions and tries to get the game moving. Again one of the few people to do so and just seems townie atm)

Rockhopper

(Makes a lot of comments and asks people to gain information through reactions and this to me seems like a pretty townie move along with their post of the unlikely pairings from what they think. It seems as though they arent afraid of sharing thoughts which is pretty townie in my eyes)

Null

Backslash

(Very few posts but there is two of them that really contradict each other one of the posts being the answers to Italiano's RQS 46 and 116 - Though this could just be the truth but to me their answer to question 3 really contradicts their next post after that. While they are contradicting I do think that post 169 is a townie post as they are throwing their thoughts out there. This is why they are null for now because i am just not sure.)

Italiano

(I dont really know what to think about them something seems weird to me but I cant really explain it. Its bad I know i am going to do a full ISO dive on them to see if anything can give me some real direction)

Wiyvern

(Not many posts so really cant get anything from what they have said apart from their read list and its not really somethign i would like to go off of at this point but it is good they shared their reads with everyone.)

Scum

Dunnstral

(Very few posts and barely any content. Now this is going to seem very OMGUS but really look at their ISO they vote Norfolk outta gut-which isnt too bad- and then unvotes Norfolk because of no CC which is fair. However they dont give any reason as to why they vote me apart from the points made from two other players are "good enough for a vote". These are the only content points and one of them is sheeped)

Based on this read list i am going to put my vote here

VOTE: Dunnstral

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That’s for Norwegian is regards to 393

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Can you explain why? They literally haven’t got many posts and with barely any content

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Can you explain why? They literally haven’t got many posts and with barely any content

That's how they always play.
Why is low content and posts scummy?

It’s what I’ve learnt from me playing my games

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Sorry to cut this short but it’s 11:20pm and I’m off to bed will check in again in the morning night all!

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I’m off to hospital so I will get on when I can but I may be less active

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Where did you get that from? The last post from Micc still had the game paused at 2 days, didn't it?

Yes it did

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Sorry everyone I will catch up as soon as I can I’m just in hospital with a fractured neck and back

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I am looking after myself or let’s say the nurses and doctors are looking after me

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I’m going to see what I can catch up since I’m awake a little just sorry if I don’t so much

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Are those mostly newbie games perhaps?

Yes they are

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Okay I’ve skimmed everything but will post my thoughts at a later time as it’s hard to do on mobile. I might be going home tomorrow so fingers crossed

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Alright everyone I’m going home from hospital I will catch up when I can

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Alright I’m going to catch up right now since I have some time

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I have skimmed over what I have missed and I really dont like Facebone's latest posts. Instead of trying to progress through things, it seems more of a defensive act. They are trying to push the vote onto someone else and that is just looking bad

Yes I think Wiyvern is scummy but looking at the last few pages to me Facebones seems more scummy. However I do see we are close to the deadline so if it comes to it I would be okay voting Wiyvern but I do prefer Facebones more.

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UNVOTE: Unvote

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To be honest aorn they are not as scummy as you or Facebones they are till in my range though

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Are you going to vote someone?

Not at this point

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Are you going to vote someone?

Why are you trying to rush me anyway?

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Well, does mini want to claim intent to hammer then?

Not right now becuase as I said I believe that Facebones is worse than you and as i asked before.

Why are you trying to rush me

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Sorry, I'm not trying to rush you, I was jut wondering if you were going to wanna vote me or face soon

I will when it comes time to

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Being so close to deadline I am going to

Claiming intent to hammer

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Reason for this is because I don’t think everyone will be able to get on to build that wagon on Facebones today. It will definitely be something to look at for tomorrow though. I also won’t be online when deadline hits but I’ll be here for a couple of hours if I don’t get to hammer because Wiyvern doesn’t claim before I sleep is there someone else that can hammer?

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But do you think we should look at Facebones tommorow regardless of what Wiyvern flips?

Look we should probably question them a bit more tomorrow but if Wiyvern flips scum it’s a definite elimination. However on the off chance they flip town we will need to look more into it as with Wiyvern’s posts nothing really pings me as town. On the other hand if Wiyvern does flip town if Facebones is scum they would know Wiyvern is town so it’s something to look into definitely tomorrow regardless of what Wiyvern flips

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What is the link between Wiyvern and Facebones?

Facebones got defensive when a wagon started on Wiyvern

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Just under 6 hours till deadline Wiyvern pleas claim when you can

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Okay I’m off to bed it’s midnight here. I hope someone else is around to hammer

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How does VCA actually work?

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If Norwegian is scum, Norway tracked him nowhere, which means his partner did the kill. He also wouldn’t be the rolecop. Bakslash is a scum partner in every scenario.

So you’re saying Norwegian/backslash as a scum team?

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That could actually be a thing because from what I have skimmed there has been little to almost no interaction between them

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Yes but at least they have responded to some posts by others but nothing to do with your slot

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VOTE: bakslash

Gonna vote here just because they are worse with little to no posts at all but I think if this slot flips scum Norwegian is next

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Wouldn’t you rather get rid of a non poster now and be able to vote out a scummy person knowing they they are very well likely to flip scum at a more crucial point?

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Dam alright we need to have a serious look and see who is best elimination today

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Sorry I’m out with a friend as they are visiting from a 2 and a half hour flight away so I’ll get on later tonight

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If it comes down to it I'll go Rockhopper over Bakslash.

Why?

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I haven't even had an interaction with everyone who was originally in the game.

Good point. Why is this the case?

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not voting for Norw is basically a scumclaim rn imo

Why though?

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So, both Mini and Bakslash haven't posted in over 2 days.

Bakslash has done this, despite being E-1. He hasn't even bothered to drop in and vote Rockhopper, bringing Rocky to E-1.

I might be naive, but scum aren't that apathetic. I can't see him flipping scum.

Sorry I really thought I had posted... my bad

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I'm still not on board with a Bakslash wagon and am not willing to hammer.

Anyone on any wagon/not voting willing to budge if it came down to it?

If and only if it came down to it because of deadline if no one else was willing to move I guess I could but then if rock flips town bakslash will be where my vote goes tomorrow

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I’m here just need a little bit more time before I catch up sorry about the bad timing with my issues

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We have to make sure we are getting the right elimination here I’m going read back and see who the safest option is

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Rockhopper, Italiano and Norwegian you 3 are all voting please give the reasons as to why you are voting the people you’re voting for

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Alright sorry guys I’m still in hospital but I’m going to try my best to help find the last scum

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Alright sorry guys I’m still in hospital but I’m going to try my best to help find the last scum

Hope you're doing alright

Why didn't you come into today thinking Rockhopper was town after what happened yesterday?

I will get there thank you everything takes time

You see I am paranoid a lot and I mean A LOT. This is because in my mind if rockhopper is scum he had a very good buddy and they could have planned that I’m not sure it’s mostly just paranoia because it’s is very crucial we eliminate the right person or we lose. Same for you I’m literally so scared right now of who it could be and I’m hoping we eliminate the right person

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We have like 5 days and I’m getting worried that we are going to run out of time to win this we really need to find the last scum before they win cause we didn’t do what we were supposed to do

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Alright sorry guys I’m still in hospital but I’m going to try my best to help find the last scum

Hope you're doing alright

I’m doing okay home from hospital now but still sleeping a bunch but I’m on here as much as I can be

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Is anyone here!?

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Could that be a shot at distancing? Like if they got eliminated and flipped scum it would have out a good word in for Norwegian but I dunno just a thought at this point

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Look I hate to say this but I’m back in hospital but I am a bit more alert this time so shouldn’t be an issue of me disappearing but just letting you know to be safe

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Dunnstral what are your thoughts

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I would ask rock but they aren’t really around

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Okay I wanna know where rock stands that would help a bunch with a lot

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I’m scared to vote rock at this point in case you’re scum and hammer so I am not voting unless I really have to but I’m literally scared we will make the wrong decision and eliminate the wrong person but I hope not

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Wait, Norwegian is confirmed scum from my pov

Can you explain this a bit more?

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I just don’t understand why they were confirmed scum from your pov you never really explained and then they flipped scum so that really shocked me tbh

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Also Rock what are your thoughts? Where are you these days?

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Fair enough that makes sense sorry for the question I’m just doing a lot of re reading while lying in hospital

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Oh no we are getting close to deadline

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We really need to start actually discussing here

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There is a likely chance it could be either of you i am so literal scared its going to be you

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I just had a thought on something

Could that be a shot at distancing? Like if they got eliminated and flipped scum it would have out a good word in for Norwegian but I dunno just a thought at this point

With me saying this, if Rock is scum they couldve had the interactions they did to put the thought into our heads that because of the way they interacted with each other it couldnt be the other person (in this case it would be the fact that Norwegian flipped scum so it cant be Rock).


Teh only reason i am saying this is because it has just happened in a game I played between 2 players who were both scum

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Im going to see how quick after you said that Norwegian changed their vote

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Becuase that is something i didnt notice

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Just went back and this is what ive collected from those posts around that vote count

Post 825 Dunnstral says they are willing to vote Rock
Post 869 & 870 Norwegian claims intent to hammer Bakslash saying the game is dead even though others were willing to vote Rock
Post 883 Norwegian hammers Bakslash as a "lolhamer"

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Mathematically I think Dunnstral has a higher chance of flipping scum here from my perspective

What makes you say that?

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I don’t understand what you mean rock

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I don’t understand what you mean rock

Basically Monty Hall

Basically what?

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Okay?

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this

That isn't what is happening here though

I’m quite confused by what Rock is trying to say tbh

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Yeah I’m struggling to understand why Rock brought that up to be honest

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Why does this always happpen when I am asleep

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Im sorry Norwegian

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Do have to say though this was one of my better scum games