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[StrangeMatter]

Hello everyone.

VOTE: Dannflor

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Anyways, what’s everyone’s favorite flavor of ice cream?

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I would like to say certainly, but I don’t think it’s in every state.

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I don’t think I have ever tried banana pizza.

Also, please don’t vote yourself. There are reasons to vote yourself but this isn’t one of them.

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Just going to get the backlash to the comment out the way:
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: JamesTheNames

UNVOTE: StrangeMatter

VOTE: JamesTheNames

I'd like you to say more about the topic other than just showing "this is a really bad move, and this is the reason I'm going to vote him."

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VOTE: Salsabil Faria

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This is the most over the top RVS vote I have ever seen, and I’m all for it.

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Why?

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VOTE: Salsabil Faria

this vote is built on really shaky grounds, how serious is it?

More or less is here to make them talk, so somewhat serious but not really. See post #41 please.

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How serious were you about that sheep anyways?

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Also, James is a seems off to me, a self vote and a really random and awful VT claim. That's obviously very scummy, but it feels less like it might just be too scummy and random to be to actually be something scum does.

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Assuming I'm wrong about this, it'll look absolutely bad that I said that.

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Also, James is a seems off to me, a self vote and a really random and awful VT claim. That's obviously very scummy, but it feels less like it might just be too scummy and random to be to actually be something scum does.

The self vote was just RVS fluff.

Still not a good play, even if you say that.

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@Dannflor can you please explain why you scumread both me and Leaven? I saw your post but you never really said why.

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UNVOTE: Ythan Not comfortable with this at 3. Will be back this evening.

Not at E-1 but at E-2 feels a bit weird to unvote at.

Nope? We have 2 scums remember?

I'm wondering, what makes you think scum would reasonably QH this? I could see this at 5 people left with two scum, but not all 9 players in the game.

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Don’t get what you're trying to say here.

What I'm trying to say, is why would you worry about a QH on Day 1, when it would be probably the worst time to do so?

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Don’t get what you're trying to say here.

What I'm trying to say, is why would you worry about a QH on Day 1, when it would be probably the worst time to do so?

Still don't get it, what is QH?
And I'm not worried about anything,

James

thought unvote someone at E-2 is weird, but fmpov it’s not. It would be weird for

Leaven

if they unvote at E-3 or even E-4.

So I just misunderstood what you initially said earlier, but a QH is a shortened term for quick hammers.

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However, I do think it's a little weird to be worrying about a hammer if the person is at E-2 from what I think.

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StrangeMatter, I'm going to answer your question with another question.

Just going to bold for the response to your questions and statements. Just going to respond what I can with this.

What opinions do you have about the game not related to theory about when the correct time is to worry about a QH?

I'm not sure what you're talking about with this.

For the last several posts all your content has been about this detail that doesn't actually seem to be going anywhere substantial

You're still sitting on an ostensibly RVS vote despite voicing some other suspicions and other wagons popping up

You seem more focused on asking specific questions without really following those questions up with thoughts such that it seems you are posting these questions to post rather than try to detect alignments

and your one seriously espoused read in #160 is awfully fencesitty and seems to be designed to allow you to either hop on the wagon if you need to or have plausible deniability if it flips town

Fencesitty? I'm ver confident he's Town who was just doing an awful play. I won't vote James today, that's final. I'm not sure what makes you think it's fencesitty, or why you think I'd hop on the wagon.

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Btw, if

Leaven

flips red,

StrangeMatter

most likely their partner I think.

Well, you’d be wrong about only this, if he does flip red.

Also, do you have Town reads?

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While I agree that anti-town should not be encouraged by either town or scum, I’m not sure what you mean from some parts. The one thing about anti-town behavior is that eventually, they will get voted. None of us are fully letting him off the hook, despite thinking he is town. I already said this, but I’m not policy voting James today and that’s final. At this point I think this discussion is only helping scum from what I think.

Speaking of which, can you give some reads?

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@Leaven any other reads you want to make other than James? It sounds like you have other reads considering he's your top scum read.

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Alright, catching up for right now. See if there's anything that comes up that I might've missed while I wasn't here.

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Hello. Can you read up on the game?

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Policy to me should not take priority over your actual reads though.

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Policy to me should not take priority over your actual reads though.

Leaven has indicated he isn’t really doing that though?

True, but I also noted he said that he'd vote someone else if. The only problem is the last couple posts to me don't come off as someone trying to scum hunt so far, which I still find a little odd, although this might just be their playstyle.

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Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.

I messed up the earlier post, but this is what I'm talking about.

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We have two more shots until we lose, let’s not waste this or a lot of our time. Also, Gamma and Ythan please explain why you voted Salsa again?

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Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

1. The two others in this wagon, (Ythan, Gamma) are scum, and pushed it to waste time over day 1. More leaning towards scum being Ythan here.

Or

2. Everyone who is on this is Town and scum is outside this wagon entirely and let it happen instead, passing day 1 and killing the person I read as Town.

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I have no regrets if he flips green. I’d rather eliminate this now than let him stay, though.

VOTE: Ythan

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Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

1. The two others in this wagon, (Ythan, Gamma) are scum, and pushed it to waste time over day 1. More leaning towards scum being Ythan here.

Or

2. Everyone who is on this is Town and scum is outside this wagon entirely and let it happen instead, passing day 1 and killing the person I read as Town.

This confuses me the more I look at it
Why do I have to be scum with Ythan? This feels like a false dichotomy

Oh I see, I made a mistake here. At least one of you two are scum in my eyes if it is option 1.

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Also, Gamma and Ythan please explain why you voted Salsa again?

Like you can't still read the same posts we could all see yesterday.

So, are you going to respond to this by the way? Yes, I have read the same posts that we could all see yesterday, and I want to hear it from you again.

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And by respond I mean actually answer the question please.

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And by respond I mean actually answer the question please.

Do you have nothing to say to

my

response?

I do, I was waiting on Ythan's answer to the question, but reconsidering his initial response, he probably won't. As for your answer, I kind of want you to explain a little more when you're saying when you mean they didn't play the same when you did a hydra with them. Also, when you mentioned that you thought Salsa was mirroring Dannflor's reads, I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. I noted that Dannflor has reads that are Leaven + SM, and GE + SE, but Salsa had a read that was vote Leaven, and if he is scum I'm his partner. Even then, I read those reads and see them as different reasons that only are mirrored by only the people.

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And by respond I mean actually answer the question please.

Do you have nothing to say to

my

response?

I do, I was waiting on Ythan's answer to the question, but reconsidering his initial response, he probably won't. As for your answer, I kind of want you to explain a little more when you're saying when you mean they didn't play the same when you did a hydra with them. Also, when you mentioned that you thought Salsa was mirroring Dannflor's reads, I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. I noted that Dannflor has reads that are Leaven + SM, and GE + SE, but Salsa had a read that was vote Leaven, and if he is scum I'm his partner. Even then, I read those reads and see them as different reasons that only are mirrored by only the people.

Dann's SR on me came after the mirroring posts I called out, and I don't think Salsa actually gave reasons why her reads were how they were
As for Salsa not playing like when we hydra'ed, she seemed way more serious in the hydra game, while here she was fluffing up a storm.

Do you have any prior experiences with Salsa outside of this Hydra? The only time I've really used Pmeta (Player Meta) as a reason to vote someone (not on this website) is that I know their play style so well that it becomes obvious they are scum. For example, one scum made the risky play of townreading their partner, and then I called them out knowing that the first scum makes risky plays on purpose knowing if one of them gets eliminated they lose. And even then it only worked once, and never ever again.

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Then that reason for voting her seems a bit weak to me then.

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Sorry, very weak not a little.

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I’m confused by what a lot of this means, or what it’s trying to get at.

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Sorry to confuse. Yes, just tallying the counts. Before Dann pulled his vote, it looked like 5 out of 7 had gamma in top 2. With 7 left and 2 scum remaining, 5 is as much of a consensus as you can get. I'll listen to other cases, but a collective first impression hitting 5 for 5 is very compelling to me from a purely statistical perspective. This town is already working uphill against two self votes, including a self hammer. I obviously can't be sure, but it just seems likeliest and talking myself out of it would just be fancy play syndrome. We haven't heard much from Dann or ythan, though. Regardless, when presented gamma/val vs clsr/ythan, I feel safer aligning with the latter given my read of things.

Why are you choosing to align? And with CSLR/Ythan for that matter?

This post reads scummily and I'll explain after he answers.

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Interpreted*

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i'm unsure of what to talk about

what i want most probably is a full explanation of why strange is voting ythan right now
they acknowledge that gamma's evidence for voting salsa is weak, but has not touched on what ythan was doing at the end of d1. i'm wondering if they share the same opinion of ythan's case as they do gamma's

Please excuse me for any mistakes made, it's very early here.

From what I can parse from this, to me it doesn't really seem like a good reason. Strings of Salsa's posts were very fillery, yet I'm not quite sure if their vote was just to get her to be more active in the conversation or something else. However, I think it's less something I would want to vote than Leaven right now. Specifically because I got a feeling like he's trying to cover up for getting a Day 2 miss elimination on Gamma. Along with this, they say they'd align themselves with Ythan and CLSR, which to me seems very off considering what I've seen from above. Another thing I just want to point out is that if he aligns himself with two others, the game would look something like a 4-3 (not saying 3 scum, saying 4 players vs 3 players), meaning if they have a consensus, they'd only need to convince one person to hammer from what I think. However, I'm not sure about this fully yet and will wait to see tomorrow. For now, I'll leave a vote on him.

VOTE: Leaven

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the competing wagons should really be like SM and leaven right now

not this GE/Ythan crap

I've kinda been thinking over my Leaven read because I feel like he's kinda doing a repeat performance of yesterday on some level where his posts seem thought out but on closer inspection there's not much actual meat to them. He's put out like 5 or so blocks of text that feel like casing me but really just seem to be trying to motivate groupthink on my slot.

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what do you think, since you're the one I had what I feel for me was the most engaging discussion on Leaven with D1?

I felt like their discussion feels like their repeating the main idea of what they're trying to say throughout Day 1 and throughout Day 2. However, I'm not sure I'm understanding what his case is supposed to be for, and isn't really compelling to me in the slightest. They just feel like hollow cases covering for themselves for the read on you to me. I also don't think it helps Day 1 they weren't exactly scumhunting, which to me can seem like you already know enough just to talk and let Salsa end up being miselimed while getting through the day. Not to mention from what I poorly worded as why saying aligning themselves with Ythan and CLSR is off to me, which I'm going to try to explain better.

So there are 7 people in this game. If, in theory from what Leaven has said, the game would look something like (Leaven, Ythan, cowsloveSushiroll) vs (Val89 and Gamma). If this is the case and let's just say everyone in both group agree on voting one person each, then the first group would need only either me or Dannflor to go and vote Gamma, while the second group would have needed both me and Dann to vote to eliminate someone. What I'm trying to get at is that in this way it could absolutely benefit scum Leaven. Not to mention adding a scum partner would make this devastatingly bad.

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So there are 7 people in this game. If, in theory from what Leaven has said, the game would look something like (Leaven, Ythan, cowsloveSushiroll) vs (Val89 and Gamma). If this is the case and let's just say everyone in both group agree on voting one person each, then the first group would need only either me or Dannflor to go and vote Gamma, while the second group would have needed both me and Dann to vote to eliminate someone. What I'm trying to get at is that in this way it could absolutely benefit scum Leaven.

Not to mention adding a scum partner would make this devastatingly bad.

it's not 4v3 and suggesting that it is like Leaven is doing is probably worsening the problem
also, could you elaborate on bolded?

My bad if I didn't quite elaborate. What I mean is that with their partner, they get quite a few plays if what I theorize the play as scum goes down. So, if it's scum outside of this they could give a good reason, vote, and miseliminate a player. Also, despite what I've suggested from this post, I am not saying that it will or does happen from that, when it's mostly just theorizing what their scum play could've been from this.

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I'd most likely look towards people who are outside the Day 1 Salsa wagon. Speaking from experience sake if one person that was part of the wagon flips red, especially on Day 1, likely means their partner is outside of the pool. That would be you and Dannflor to be honest. There's also reason to doubt scum would both be in this pool if they eliminate and move it all down to 2. And the only reason they WOULD do this is to do the unlikely option out of what is WIFORM to shake Town off their tail.

What if Gamma flips green then Leaven?

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Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

oh hello I missed this line

You must be

very angry that you couldn't have been here to read Salsabil's mind and someone stop her from self-hammering before she did so?

this feels like a line that comes from scum trying to look good not someone genuinely frustrated or thinking about the situation

I get you hard scumread me this game. However, can you just for this post in particular explain to me how you came to the conclusion bolded at all, or why this is the most logical thing outside of just thinking I'm scum in your eyes and is just bias?

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Alright. Counterclaims? If not we eliminate Gamma.

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Actually, if you have a guilty why did you not say anything until now? Trying to eliminate without revealing you know, or just self preservation so you don't get NKed? I just have this sneaking suspicion this could be fake and it bugs me because it's probably not.

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Reminder to say he's at E-1.

UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Gamma

Hammered

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Wait I didn't read Ythan's post and thought Dann was putting Gamma at E-1 but that's my bad.

And speaking of which, Dannflor you've been pushing me as a scumread since day 1 and at this point I'd like to have Leaven confirm that you're completely wrong and wasted so much time focusing on my slot.

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I am so done with you constantly feeling like you need to look into everything I do as a validation is exactly why I despise how you've been playing.

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Hammer has already been reached Ythan.

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I just looked again and realized it was Leaven who was voted not Gamma. I hate when I read things incorrectly.

I'm so done with this game right now.

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I think I just noticed how much I got wrong when counting up the votes.

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Good morning.

Just want to confirm something, Leaven what did you get for your results?

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Actually who am I kidding, it's probably A1 and they RBed Leaven and went to try to get rid of the Doctor.

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Speaking of which, wouldn't claiming PR at this point of the game be better than staying silent?

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I read the count wrong, but here's what I thought.

With Leaven being confirmed, scum would be down to me, Ythan, Dann, and Val84. If there is a second PR, that would leave 3 out of the 5 people left. Another point is that it's a 1v4 at this point of the game. We can mess up once, and can use that to our advantage. To me this would make claiming PRs as scum basically impossible if the PRs are competent enough to know fake claims. And if they call out a fakeclaim from scum, we can theoretically just vote both of them out if both claim. Also, from my perspective, the game would be solved already since the last two remaining has scum and town in it.

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I'd rather have a chance to win in 1/3 with two conf and later 1/2 with one confirmed right now than just a 1/4 to get it right and a 1/2 to get this right.

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If there is a doctor and they claim then we'll eliminate among the remaining three and the doctor will be killed tonight leaving Leaven and two unconfirmed players.

Also, can you give me a good reason as to why not claiming is better and why I'm wrong?

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For the first, what I said above and also what I said previously that you have not successfully refuted at all. For the second, because everything you're saying is foolishness or intentional deceit that

offers nothing of benefit to the town.

I'm not going to refute what you've said about scum killing doctor if they claim. However, offering nothing to the benefit of the town is not correct. The point of this was Process of Elimination, which in turn means VTs would have only two people to eliminate. Scum obviously has to get the blame onto the other two slots in a row as well.

So if you just don't agree and say it's foolish or decitful, then fine. I'll just bite my tongue and never share ideas like this again.

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We have an advantage if the doctor survives tonight in that the scum will have to fake counter claim doctor, but you're trying to out the doctor today which would mean they can't possibly survive the night.

And if the doctor doesn't survive, what then?

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Because now you still have a 1v2 with the exact same results.

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@Leaven, do you have any thoughts so far? You're confirmed as town at this point.

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Right now I think it's between you and Val at this point. The only thing that I can roughly say why I don't want to eliminate Ythan is from the Salsa wagon day one. This is because to me, the only slots left on it are me and Ythan, and Gamma flipped red. I don't think the other scum would end up being also on this if scum and town eliminated most people on that wagon at this point.

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I could be completely wrong and the second scum is on the wagon, but that's just what I think so far.

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if you had to choose one between me and val right now with no further discusison, who would it be and why?

From #810 I kind of see Val's point about how that you could be testing the water. Especially since from reading your posts you think scum is Me/Gamma and Val84/Gamma, and you backtracked on that and went into tentatively town reading Val84 in post #807. However, there's parts to it that I'm not quite getting that seem odd to be bringing up into this. He talks about you withholding, but I'm not sure how that ties into this in the first place.

Another thing I noted is #771 and #776 are very odd to me. These two posts just seem like the contradict each other just from what I've seen. You talked about not giving scum more information if its not C1, then afterwards say that scum already knows the setup. That doesn't quite add up and doesn't make sense. Why would you make posts that seems to shut down discussion, then suddenly turn 180 and say its fine to be discussing because scum already knows?

So I'm just saying that I'm scumreading you, Dannflor, over Val84 for right now. But if you aren't Gamma's partner then its probably Val then.

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@Val84, what do you mean by "withhelding" in #810?

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I don't think Ythan is likely to flip scum at this point, and while yes I did say that I didn't have a better person I wanted to vote at that point.

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Okay at this point from POE Val is Gamma's partner. Ythan's vote doesn't make sense on Salsa as scum (explained in an earlier post), Dann claimed unCCed Doc, and Leaven is claimed and confirmed Cop.

I could be entirely wrong about Ythan, but really this is the only slot left here. I'll deal with that later anyways.

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If it happens, it happens. Not much I can do about that.

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I can only reassure and confirm later that you and Dann are wrong about voting me.

As for Val89 voting himself, it to me seems like a gamble to get people off if they are scum. If I'm assuming what I think Val89 is assuming about specifically Leaven, I can see why he would do that as Town.

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Speaking of which, I kind of want people to read over my interactions with Gamma before really making the judgement I'm their partner.

@Leaven do you have specific reads and reasons for those reads so far?

Also, I would except I want this discussion right now instead of voting.

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To me, if there's discussion you never give the chance to completely end it by hammer.

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You really only do see player’s scumplays don’t you. I guarantee this won’t help at all, but oh well.

A large part of this is that scum is between you and Ythan at this point of the game. As town, we’d win if both you and Ythan are voted out. Your plan to me could be played from what I think as two different perspectives. As scum, you’d do it as a last ditch effort to get Town to not vote you right now and look more town. If you are town, your plan leaves me, Ythan, and Leaven left. I don’t think, however that I can convince Leaven to vote Ythan who has a compelling case for being town by multiple people including myself.

I’m stuck on a phone for now, but that’s my thoughts. Also, you why do you want everyone to speak out their mind exactly?

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I know that it can be seen as town to be open about your thoughts, but pushing this is actually a little odd to me that you would ask for this in the first place. You wanted to know, but that to me makes it seem like you’re about to adjust your scumplay onto me.

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I'm still basically 50/50; with a razor thin margin towards SM.

As such, this is how I propose we play this - You (Dann) vote me. If either of Ythan or SM hammer me, you take that as a straight up scum claim.

I'm sorry, in what way do you even think that Ythan would end up hammering your slot then? I'm pretty sure from his posts that he has me as scum over you, so this just makes zero sense.

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I don't think we've ever heard your actual scum read on me right now, Ythan.

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Could you explain your actual read please?

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And let me guess, you assume I was Power Role hunting?

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Because what I thought about that was that scum probably already knows who doctor was at that point so it wouldn't have been much of an advantage either way. Even then if a VT is eliminated there's one in two chance that we'd just end up in the same scenario anyways not assuming scum knows who the doctor is.

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Going to throw in my meta here but I NEVER, hunt PRs like this as scum. I'll never make anything really obvious when it comes to playing scum and that's final.

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And what I’m saying is that this would not be how scum goes about it in any reasonable way in the first place.

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Remember, there’s ONLY one scum left. Why would I essentially put myself as scum in everyone’s head in the first place???

You’re looking at this only by how it benefits scum, and ignoring details that are important.

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I’m absolutely done playing this game with you.

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So I'm coming back to this, Ythan what will happen if I flip green then?

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Hm. Can you give a compelling case to me why it could be Val89 then?

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..........

I said it's you and I've been saying it's you. But if you flip town then by progress of elimination it is OBVIOUSLY VAL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE

And obviously I know you're wrong and I will flip town. And I'm saying process of elimination in ELO is practically worthless as an argument for Day 4.

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To me it sounds like you were planning on eliminating me, and look into Val89's slot later from what it sounds like.

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And while I used POE, there's a difference between narrowing everything down to one slot and having only one other slot if you get what I mean.

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I think you're scum you daft clown.

And that's fine that you think that, but that just needed to be pointed out to me.

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Going to bed, see you all tomorrow.

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I'm on the fence tho about SM and Ythan

I think SM has been generally scummy but Gamma's read on SM still bugs me.

What about that bugs you again?

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Considering I’m going to be eliminated, I’d like to say that I think Val might fit under that person who could be scum adjusting to how the game is being played. If you look at his posts, he makes a post about me and saying to not answer, then later makes a statement that goes along with people deciding on voting for me obviously while covering for themselves like they could know I would flip town today.

Ythan saying POE to me about Val89 reads like he is focused on me being scum, and I’m not too sure yet about his alignment but my gut and past experiences say Town usually does that more often.

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VOTE: Val89

The place where you said Leaven should not answer until I explained in #919 because I would according to you need to do this as scum.

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Dannflorr, Leaven, Ythan; one of you hammer me.

Leaven: Vote SM tomorrow. I'm now much more certain he is scum.

Excuse me? Why would you want to be eliminated if you’re certain I am scum then hammer me. We’re both at E-1.

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Actually this is kind of unrelated but also related but me just being bad at remembering votes is kind of due to how I used to have a machine constantly counting votes and keeping me updated as a part of the game.

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Yes, I would. Also warming up to you vs me is just odd because at this point I’m scumread by basically everyone anyways. Like I don’t stand a chance to win in ELO and everyone shouldn’t need me to say that.

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So just vote me and save this trainwreck I made instead of bringing the obvious scummy person in anyways.

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*into ELo.

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Nope, I just don’t want to be in ELo. it’s better than having someone like me stay in this game which scum would absolutely want.

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I don’t care if I you think I stole your “strategy”.

If you’re getting more sure I am scum, then go ahead. I don’t care about anyone’s TR, nobody WILL Val.

VOTE: Strangematter

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You think people will just be like “oh I think Strange is town because of this.” Because it’s NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

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Finally. You think you’ll be right but you’re not.

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Good luck in ELo everyone. You’ll need it.

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Complete trainwreck of a game, and I should just NEVER try to learn how to defend myself.

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I’m not. I’m a combination of sick and tired of everything and absolutely livid that’s what.

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I really should’ve probably have went with my gut on asking why Ythan didn’t want what I wanted to do while now thinking he was town.

Also couldn’t you not have saved cop Dann or note that would’ve been an easy scumplay to blame Val?

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Also yeah somehow 90% of what I think never ever happens as Town.

[StrangeMatter]

Cannot believe both scum was on Salsa lmao.

[StrangeMatter]

I think our problem was we had expected the obvious and it cost us hard.