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Banana.
Random question: Is banana ice cream a thing in the states? I went to Arkansas a few years ago and never found any.
PS. Not banana + toffee or banana + _____. Just banana flavoured.
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Post #22 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:53 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
In post 20, ClarkBar wrote:As a kid I was all about Rocky Road. These days anything vanilla with a little caramel is my go to. Ben & Jerry's "Americone Dream" is perfection.
I have strangely never heard of Banana ice cream. Seems like an obvious flavor too. So is the backlash about this or you not liking pizza? I'm confused by the self-vote.
a player with that level of verbosity and apparent dedication to analysis can spare a few words to at least attempt to get some sort of conversation going on a useful game level
In this case, the amount of words read to me as a nervous cover for rolling scum
Compared to 3 votes with no initial justifications?
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Post #127 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:51 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
In post 126, Ythan wrote:Maybe you did. You shouldn't do that in the future. Everyone telling you that knows what they're talking about and newbie games are for learning things like this.
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Post #130 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:04 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
In post 129, Dannflor wrote:assuming you are town, you have made it easier for mafia to hunt down PRs, and if you are lying broke down any trust you will have with the rest of the town
furthermore, the game was already going, there was stuff to talk about. Why didn't you engage with the rest of the game first?
Are you implying the game develops better when there is only 1 thing going on, 1 thing to consider, or just because it was your push on Val89?
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Post #133 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:10 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
@Ythan why did you retract the vote on me by the way? Between your vote and your unvote my only posts was reiterating why I claimed, and me saying how many posts had to do with my claim.
Would it be possible to walk through some hypothetical answers for why you did it that would be surprising?
Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.
Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?
The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.
If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.
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Post #168 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:19 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
In post 160, StrangeMatter wrote:Also, James is a seems off to me, a self vote and a really random and awful VT claim. That's obviously very scummy, but it feels less like it might just be too scummy and random to be to actually be something scum does.
In post 160, StrangeMatter wrote:Also, James is a seems off to me, a self vote and a really random and awful VT claim. That's obviously very scummy, but it feels less like it might just be too scummy and random to be to actually be something scum does.
The self vote was just RVS fluff.
Still not a good play, even if you say that.
It wasn't intended to be a good play it was fluff. It was the 16th post.
In post 146, JamesTheNames wrote:Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.
Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?
The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.
If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.
Maybe I lack imagination, but this explanation reads worse.
J says he claimed VT recently and it had a decisively bad result for himself and team. So he immediately does it again. What makes him think the same won't happen again? The upside to building a meta by claiming VT as VT would be for when he eventually wants to claim VT as a non-VT I presume?
So either:
- He's dumping this game again as VT for an even future scum game (worse than last time because of how last time went)
- This is that future game where he's scum (cashing in on the last game to take this town down)
- Given the value of a PR and how badly it went last time, the least generous conclusion would be assigning him as PR here, although that would likely be the least surprising next revelation.
I'll go with the most generous conclusion which is that this is the cash-in game.
VOTE: JamesTheNames
I will not be retracting my claim, nor claiming a PR further down the game.
In post 232, ClarkBar wrote:Hey, I should have mentioned that weekends are extremely busy for me. I will try to make a substantive post today, but honestly weekends are a bear.
alright! thanks for checking in UNVOTE: JamesTheNames
i gotta look at what's going on around james and convince myself that this isnt an unwarranted tunnel
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
Until I replaced into 2064, you were basically a consensus scum in that game. So this is incorrect.
Not to mention, if you were town you'd be able to give reasoning outside of meta. You are trying to play into the "too scum to be scum" category.
Posts: 80, 83, 111, 208, 223, 286, 306. All ping me that way.
I also don't buy the whole unvoting at E-2 nonsense.
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Post #318 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:49 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
@cowsloveSushirolls would you like to explain your opinions on me claiming VT? I don't want you to directly quote anything I want it in your words please. I'm already aware of other opinions.
In post 318, JamesTheNames wrote:@cowsloveSushirolls would you like to explain your opinions on me claiming VT? I don't want you to directly quote anything I want it in your words please. I'm already aware of other opinions.
for what it's worth i think it's genuine, but you've done a bad job explaining what it was supposed to do and you continue to make these self-centric actions but almost refusing to solve slots with the information you've gained, despite having 42 posts
if you mean in a more general sense:
listen to what people say lol, i think this is a good lesson for you to absorb unless you're going to exclusively play mountainous games when you get out of this queue
the case i'm assuming you have on me will probably help with sorting your alignment and thought process so i want to see it
if you arent satisfied with this explanation i'm sure you know why
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In post 146, JamesTheNames wrote:
Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.
Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?
The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.
If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.
i think the largest bit of confusion people have w/ you stems from this post, james
can you go through each of your hypothetical answers in a bit more depth?
I thought it was obvious in which case it was my bad. The hypothetical stuff was sarcastic, not serious.
If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
Until I replaced into 2064, you were basically a consensus scum in that game. So this is incorrect.
You might be overselling this one a bit James. Given the "will see how townie I am all the time" comment came in response to Leaven suggesting that a refusal to vote you for your VT claim is laying a red carpet for scummy behavoir - I
think
she might actually have been saying in a sarcastic manner "I've been known to do scummy things as town myself", not "I'm always read as town".
In any case, her ISO in that game before you replaced her is literally 6 posts, and I think "consensus scum" is a wildly overstating the matter. I wasn't in that game, but reading it back quickly it looks like there were 3 slots expressing mild reservations about Salsabil, which had translated into one vote, at the point you replaced in.
This isn't to say that Salsabil hasn't done things that do warrant attention in this game. I'm still trying to get my head around what her CCing your VT claim means for her alignment; I literally don't know where to start with that one, which is why I haven't approached it until now; but I don't think that comment and the 2064 game are going to be helpful in sorting her.
In post 324, Val89 wrote:This isn't to say that Salsabil hasn't done things that do warrant attention in this game. I'm still trying to get my head around what her CCing your VT claim means for her alignment; I literally don't know where to start with that one, which is why I haven't approached it until now; but I don't think that comment and the 2064 game are going to be helpful in sorting her.
they've been saying that they are bored a lot this game, i think the action is in line with that along with maybe their relatively high posting
i just think salsa leans town for their earlygame
#78, #111 i felt were pretty town. before these posts i just townbinned them for laughing at me (#37, response in #77)
looking back the rest of the fluffposting is comparatively 'empty' to the towny posts i pointed out
i guess i'll know if it's gonna be helpful in sorting them when i start reading
I'm bored af
Let's hope the next game is fun and you aren't complaining every other post. UNVOTE: Ythan VOTE: Salsabil Faria
She's purposefully going for the too scummy to be scummy vibes.
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Post #364 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:44 am
Postby JamesTheNames »
In post 363, Salsabil Faria wrote:I change my play style if I want to change it, not because what other people think I should do as any alignment.
It’s nothing wrong what you're saying, I am just stating that if you want to eliminate an anti-town player, you need to find/understand the agenda behind it, not only because they are playing anti-townie way.
If you can't get rid of scum for whatever reason you should aim for Hammer or lose without anti-townie people. Purposeful anti-town behaviour, such as yourself, isn't indicative sure, but it benefits town to hammer them still.
So tell me, why are you playing off the "What I'm doing is anti-town but doesn't make me scum?"
Do you intend to play in a way to benefit town? Do you have any arguments as to why you're town instead of "meta" and "anti town =/= scum"?
In post 412, Gamma Emerald wrote:149 was about another game entirely
why are you trying to point out rulebreaks within other games outside of discussing ongoing games?
He said he did it in another game and got speedwagonned so he's going to try it again.
In post 412, Gamma Emerald wrote:149 was about another game entirely
why are you trying to point out rulebreaks within other games outside of discussing ongoing games?
He said he did it in another game and got speedwagonned so he's going to try it again.
If you want to read the game you can.
Meta is for nerds.
Not telling you to analyse anything, I also hate meta and think it isn't in the spirit of the game but you can see what happened or just read it?
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
In post 412, Gamma Emerald wrote:149 was about another game entirely
why are you trying to point out rulebreaks within other games outside of discussing ongoing games?
He said he did it in another game and got speedwagonned so he's going to try it again.
If you want to read the game you can.
Meta is for nerds.
Not telling you to analyse anything, I also hate meta and think it isn't in the spirit of the game but you can see what happened or just read it?
Note that I'm not voting you and haven't been for quite some time. My diatribes toward you about your play have nothing to do with the bearing of your antics on your alignment.
I'm not doing this for alignment but I can't say what I want because I don't want to be in a grey area with the rules again.
has only done theory stuff so far. Yes, they are a SE but also a player but instead of playing they're actually teaching everyone so far. If they really take the SE stuff seriously, they should concentrate more about practical stuff (meaning play the game by implementing the theory they have been teaching about), not only focus on correcting the theory talk of others.
That's been said, I think they are scum who are using their SE position as a shield.
UNVOTE: Leaven
VOTE: Ythan
imagine the slightest pressure from a replacement and someone completely folds.
In post 441, StrangeMatter wrote:Policy to me should not take priority over your actual reads though.
Leaven has indicated he isn’t really doing that though?
True, but I also noted he said that he'd vote someone else if. The only problem is the last couple posts to me don't come off as someone trying to scum hunt so far, which I still find a little odd, although this might just be their playstyle.
This is hilarious!
What is with this string of filler.
I think from the start she was trying to be "too scummy to be scum", but got called out on it and she is now flailing.
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
This is scummy.
i assumed that salsa was joking because of the laughing emote and constant talking about how anti-town actions do not equal pro-scum, which stems from personal experience more than anything (?)
Re-read my all the posts, you'll understand.
How about you do something proactive? What posts have you made in your eyes which would help us understand?
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Post #522 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:58 pm
Postby JamesTheNames »
Hi. I don't like this self vote. All it makes me certain of is that we have not hit a PR. Self-hammering only benefits scum, it makes it harder to detect bussing or not-bussing, it gives your partner less room to mess up, also depending on the roles, can have varying success. If I had to guess right now, I think we've hit a Mafia Goon, and that we're in Column C. Assuming they don't know who any PRs are, it would be wiser to give the PR less time to work out scum. (especially in Column C where there's either 1 or 0 night actions).
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