Newbie 2085 - Game Over

[Dwlee99]

for like, 7 days, i wasn't in a game with dwlee

That's a pretty long time, don't you think?

[Dwlee99]

I actually did some reading in advance — enough to know that NK was confirmed scum. I won't hammer cause I assume we want to find the last one before that

[Dwlee99]

Yea I saw people saying that but I hadn't picked up on why

[Dwlee99]

I'm actually shocked y'all limmed meg tbh btw

[Dwlee99]

I had nk15 as scum and my slot as town before replace in. This remains the case

[Dwlee99]

I kinda want to have more day to discuss but also let's not out the Mason so maybe I hammer this

[Dwlee99]

Alright I'll hammer in an hour if no objections

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NK 15
Timing was stretched cause I accidentally took a long nap

[Dwlee99]

Why not surprised
To me I thought I'd be a likely night kill

[Dwlee99]

Well STD was off wagon soo

[Dwlee99]

I think this clears t3 as town cause t3 scum should just shoot me tbh

[Dwlee99]

I mean there hasn't been much content for me to look at and I hadn't done any real reading except knowing some of the events of day 1 soo

[Dwlee99]

Cause I don't typically read games on replace in. I like to interact ~live~

As far as discussion... I don't know. I guess people can finally reveal why you're scum (although I think it is primarily cause you were the meg CW when NK counterclaimed, right?)

[Dwlee99]

I'm a reads-based player to a fault. I wasn't going to put my own townreads aside yesterday or today because of who was on/off the Megs wagon.

Tejate being gone today was the worst outcome from my perspective because he was someone to gamesolve with. :/

Part of me wants to heckle everyone into stepping up and start solving tomorrow today. If that doesn't happen I can't really do the work I should be doing. Downsides, though.

It was about hitting mason though, which would happen off wagon

[Dwlee99]

I'm scum I shoot t3 cause he would be the only one off wagon left

If t3 is scum then same to me imo

[Dwlee99]

I'll look at tejate and get back to you

[Dwlee99]

I'd shoot the other off wagon for being a mason lol

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure someone else pointed it out which is how I realized

[Dwlee99]

Where is the t of 3

[Dwlee99]

lap is frozen scum.

this might be the case

[Dwlee99]

I rolled an (unverifiable) die that said laplacian is scum

[Dwlee99]

Votecount 1.14

MegAzumarill (5) -

Not Known 15, Tejate Raichu, WINfried, frogsfrogs, Laplacian

Not Known15 (2) -

MegAzumarill, Save The Dragons

fferyllt (1) -

T3

Not Voting (1) -

fferyllt

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.

yknow it is strange that both night kills were on the wagon of the mason

what's with that

[Dwlee99]

this game will be like twenty times harder if t3 is scum tbh

[Dwlee99]

this game will be like twenty times harder if t3 is scum tbh

[Dwlee99]

T3 when you get a chance can you explain your progression on frogfrog

[Dwlee99]

ok

VOTE: laplacian

[Dwlee99]

I poe'd it. Hbu?

[Dwlee99]

look at that page top, a pro

[Dwlee99]

yea don't hammer

[Dwlee99]

Bruh
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Well unless it's t3 looks like not a fake claim

[Dwlee99]

If he's scum no reason to claim mason here cause it's autoloss

[Dwlee99]

Anyway looking at this page

viewtopic.php?p=13190310#p13190310

Ffery why were you seeming unsure of NK's alignment here

[Dwlee99]

If that's true, then I have more issues with Meg's play than I thought!

Put's Dwlee's unvote in a different light.

What about my unvote?

[Dwlee99]

Tmi that a mason claim in 5p is town? That I shouldn't let someone hammer? Hello?

[Dwlee99]

STD was very townie and iirc was part of hard early pushes on NK before the CC

[Dwlee99]

Looking at it NK spewed STD town so yea

[Dwlee99]

Ffery reaction to laplacian claim looks pissed a mislim opportunity snuck through her fingers

[Dwlee99]

Please do explain why you hammered your mason partner.

Like you couldn't find who to night kill or something cause of this as well

Idk it's a tone thing

I also think that you not reacting as if that claim confirmed laplacian town was an overcorrection for trying to not TMI

That or it's t3 and I'm sorry

[Dwlee99]

:/...? Real mason should claim here, yeah? If we're on a 1v1 that's game win.

If frogs had more experience this quote would ping me

[Dwlee99]

Well I feel like you > t3 in either order wins

[Dwlee99]

Do you want to be eliminated today?

[Dwlee99]

I also thought t3 was the mason yea

hmm

How certain are you on frogs town?

[Dwlee99]

I have been ninja'd

[Dwlee99]

After sleeping finally I am thinking maybe it's just ffery and we need to send it

Winfried had the solve of flip Meg, if town go NK -> Ffery solved

Tejate quoted him and said he agrees

They were the two night kills for a reason, and if it was to setup ffery harder for a mislim it has both not been brought up before and also seems wholly unnecessary given she should be a safe mislim for whoever scum is anyway. and thus:

VOTE: Ffery

[Dwlee99]

NK spewed my slot town with that scummy push that STD responded to with "this is scummy"

[Dwlee99]

I'm also worried about T3 and Dragons/Dwlee, but I still think fferyllt is the safest bet. People who pushed her are dead, and I think NK's cc timing was just too perfect when she was sitting at E-1.

I'm curious who you mean?

WILfried and Tejate were the NKs. I can definitely see WILfried being a good kill for a hypothetical scum-me, but Tejate and I were vibing pretty well from my perspective. T3 and STD/Dwlee were both pushing me and the survivalist in me would have been happy for scum to have taken out either of them, except for the potential of a mason in that group.

Tejate agreed with flipping you after NK

T3 and I are much less predictable slots that you could hedge might change our minds (and given we both decided to push lap today...)

[Dwlee99]

We are also more mislimmable than tejate would be

[Dwlee99]

Have you played with t3 before?

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Mini Normal 2252 | W;ildlife amd strange critters | The ???

i get limmed as vt maybe 80% of the time.
i get limmed as scum maybe 30% of the time (past august 2021)

this is why we can't have nice things

[Dwlee99]

T3 but I'd at least try to hear him out if the cross vote occurred

[Dwlee99]

I'm somewhat surprised to have wound up with Dwlee as my strongest townread here, especially after that eyebrow-raising unvote earlier ToDay.

How did this happen? Why do you find me townier than frogs?

Subject: Mini Normal 2252 | W;ildlife amd strange critters | The ???

i get limmed as vt maybe 80% of the time.
i get limmed as scum maybe 30% of the time (past august 2021)

this is why we can't have nice things

So are you arguing that sane-scum-you would leave mason-T3 alive because you could get him miselimed?

I would have killed t3 cause I thought he was mason but if I knew he wasn't I wouldn't kill him cause of the above

I see your point though cause even if you are scum you probably thought t3 was mason

[Dwlee99]

But I do buy that T3 wouldn't be in the game right now if you were scum for the same reason he'd be dead if I were scum.

Do you think frogs!scum also shoots t3?

[Dwlee99]

I was trying to mason tell at the start of the day/a little yesterday to draw a NK and let tomorrow come down to a 50/50

[Dwlee99]

T3 needs to post before day ends, don't hammer

[Dwlee99]

dwlee has been fairly towny today.

thinking about it, scum you can probably fake this :/

You me or you ffery?

[Dwlee99]

Okay hi

[Dwlee99]

So I think it is t3

Y'all should cross vote and then yell at each other like the good ol days while I watch

[Dwlee99]

Do you think it is me

[Dwlee99]

Okay

[Dwlee99]

That'd be a change from my scum meta

[Dwlee99]

Do you not read when you die

[Dwlee99]

Or... Opposum mafia where we endgamed as scum together which was notable in House repeatedly telling me to just go for the win instead of playing it slow

[Dwlee99]

Y'all know I'm not voting first right

[Dwlee99]

Confirm

[Dwlee99]

Okay so like, I kinda just want to vote t3

But I'll hear you out

Primarily town case yourself, but feel free to scum case frogs

[Dwlee99]

is that your slot

[Dwlee99]

I mean the question kind of becomes why didn't NK15 hammer there

[Dwlee99]

See the thing is frogs felt so stilted and awkward in our last game together and here they feel fine

Whereas we all know my track record of reading t3

[Dwlee99]

Ahhh decision tonight

[Dwlee99]

I ask myself: what would ffery do?

[Dwlee99]

(probably hammer t3)

[Dwlee99]

Not fully caught up but I'm super not liking MegAzumarill's posts I've seen so far + lack of responding to questions. I super scumread hunterr, I'm not seeing better from Meg yet. I don't want ahhlo hammered now.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

I still probably scumread ahhlo, but I dislike the speed that this wagon came together at (I REALLY don't like MegAzumarill's speed wagon comment) and I think this lim gives us

very

little info compared to how juicy a Not Known slot or MegAzumarill slot flip will be.

NK declares intent

Partner unvotes and shades? Hmm

Feels unlikely

[Dwlee99]

While the ahhlo wagon may be easier to push frogs is most likely scum if ahhlo are indeed both town.

Wow mega insightful *that big eyed emoji set here*

[Dwlee99]

Frogs do you just always roll scum? Do you happen to have have town games off-site I can look at?

[Dwlee99]

WINfried, Laplacian : Solid Townreads

Fferyllt, Tejate : Feeling good about them

T3 : Feeling ok about, but they're not caught up yet

Save The Dragons : Do not even know anymore. Scum I GUESS.

Not Known 15 : Scum. Still not super confident about it

MegAzumarill : PR claim, intentionally not ranked

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I'll definitely check back in tomorrow and think about moving my vote. A fresh day start in this game will be so nice lol, can't wait.

I wonder how this makes you feel.

Hmm this is a bad look. NK at bottom of reads list, votes me instead.

[Dwlee99]

Votecount 1.11

fferyllt (3) -

Save The Dragons, WINfried, Not Known 15

T3 (1) -

Laplacian

frogsfrogs (1) -

MegAzumarill

Not Voting (4) -

Tejate Raichu, T3, fferyllt, frogsfrogs

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-28 01:26:47).

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I'll definitely check back in tomorrow and think about moving my vote. A fresh day start in this game will be so nice lol, can't wait.

[Dwlee99]

I am currently entertaining the idea as frogs as scum and prism/nk15 being his potential buddy yes.

both prism and frogs generated early game towntells by going into minute details about binatogs prior games. could have been a case of shared info in PT

Winfried

[Dwlee99]

Okay so going into night 1, scum know NK slot is mega doomed. So they're going to playing to set one person up for winning. Winfried kill just makes sense from a scum!frogs position. If you're t3 then you probably murder tejate before Winfried? Have to review one sec

[Dwlee99]

If somehow ffery isn't aligned with nk15 its probably a heavily townread player that nk15 thought could win solo as the partner

Agape

[Dwlee99]

I have other reasons for suspecting that T3 is town, but I would rather save that for tomorrow. It'll be in the drafts.

In fact, I most likely won't post an updated reads list today. We'll have time to discuss reads on day 3, and I see no reason to spill my spaghetti right now. Do you have a problem with grouping us 3 together, by the by? Do you suspect the second mafia is someone outside of the Meg voters?

And then t3 murderizes this? And doesn't bring it up when asked why town?

[Dwlee99]

I actually forgot to review tejate D1 one sec

[Dwlee99]

Also I'm surprised to say it considering how hard I was pushing their slot but... I feel like T3 is most likely town. In fact, I feel like the original ahhlo wagon likely had at least one scum on it. It would have been a pretty easy mis-elim had it not been stopped.

Incidentally, checking back, guess who were the 3 people on that wagon excluding the dead (Meg)?

Yep. Myself, frogsfrogs, and Laplacian, the exact 3 people I wanted to discuss. Although I believe frogsfrogs pulled out before either of us.

Winfried: suspected frogs, dies

Tejate: prevented frogs lim D1, lives

D2

Tejate: suspects frogs and dies

[Dwlee99]

Yea I saw your response to that post. The problem is both of you have interactions around NK I'd find strange for partners ><

[Dwlee99]

Any thoughts t3?

[Dwlee99]

Okay but bro

How can I trust you that it's "just scum" if you could be scum

[Dwlee99]

Like I kinda talked myself into frogs earlier and now I'm just bleh cause if it's you and I vote wrong I'm CLOWN

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: t3

meh I'll do this

It comes down to some personal philosophy but also I think ffery makes the same choice in my spot so I can't fault myself too much

gg if you're scum (please tell me now)

[Dwlee99]

Bless

gg everyone