Newbie 2109: Taco Hemingway | Game Over

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Space

[Fredrick A Campbell]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate, brother. Dionysus is at E-3.

Not Known 15, Space and CCGeek are voting Dionysus, putting Dionysus at E-2.
VOTE: CCGeek
I don't believe what I quoted was an innocent mistake.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 28 by CCGeek

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate, brother. Dionysus is at E-3.

Not Known 15, Space and CCGeek are voting Dionysus, putting Dionysus at E-2.
VOTE: CCGeek
I don't believe what I quoted was an innocent mistake.

Well, it

was

a genuine mistake on my part. Not Known's vote skipped my mind when I made that post, as well as earlier when I put the vote on him. However, it really doesn't change much. It was the only "non-random" vote at that point available to me. With all the fluff that was being thrown around, I figured I might as well start a proper discussion. And, hey, it succeeded in a way.

Also IMHO, E-2 isn't really "bad" on page 1 of Day 1, and in fact, the person's reaction as well as the future development on the wagon outside RVS may provide an interesting point to analyze later in the game.

With that said, I'd prefer to not retract my vote for now, this discussion has the potential to evolve further.

CCGeek said his saying it was E-3 was a genuine mistake. In the same paragraph, he said he was trying to spark discussion (presumably by saying it was E-3 when it was E-2).

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I suspect:
Space is town.
CCGeek is mafia.
Not Known 15 is mafia with CCGeek.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I suspect:
Space is town.
CCGeek is mafia.
Not Known 15 is mafia with CCGeek.

Why do you townread Space?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 53 by Weuler

I suspect:
Space is town.
CCGeek is mafia.
Not Known 15 is mafia with CCGeek.

Why do you townread Space?

Space's posts in page 2.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 58 by Wayward Son

If I was forced to vote right now, I'd vote Fredrick A Campbell.

I'm not seeing the Town read on Space.

CCG's faux pas looks NAI and irrelevant to me.

Why are NK and CC related?

I have a different scum read. I'm not willing to discuss the whys and wherefores yet. Ill address it soon though.

I'll be around for a while.

many p-edits Catching up.

I don't recall my reasons. I took notes but I didn't write up my reason well enough for me to remember. I'll reasses my reads.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

In my opinion, anyone who has firmly stated that I am mafia with confidence are town. The following are players who fall into this category:
1. Space
2. Dionysus
3. CCGeek
4. Not Known 15

VOTE: Weuler
Why didn't my actions make you suspicious of me?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I retroactively think I was looking suspect.
Regarding why the mafia would not attempt to push me, there is simply no need for them to do so.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, it was also intentional initially. My later posts might appear suspicious, but that is not intentional.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Precisely

New scumreads:
Wayword Son and Weuler

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 90 by Weuler

I retroactively think I was looking suspect.
Regarding why the mafia would not attempt to push me, there is simply no need for them to do so.

Why would there be no need? If no mafia voted you, and you are town, then 5/6 of the remaining town needs to vote you for a lim. That's a lot

And why would the mafia be attempting to get me executed?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Yeah

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 109 by AurorusVox

If I'm getting this correctly, I believe Campbell's logic rn is something along the lines of: Scum wants to leave a "scummy" person alive till D2 for a better push. It's a rather interesting approach to a newbie game.

I would much prefer you to let Frederick answer for himself rather than putting words in his mouth CCG.

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I’m not a fan on the way Frederick is playing things out here. It’s anti town at the very least and could signal flaily scum. I find it strange that he is saying scum won’t be pushing him but then scum reads one person who has voted him and another who has been questioning him…

In fact on the scum not pushing him angle, it feels like everyone in the thread has now expressed suspicion of Frederick (except the replacement slot by virtue of not being here). From town!Fred’s view, at least one scum must be pushing him, but he hasn’t considered that angle at all. That’s the biggest red flag to me in the whole scenario.

I’m also conscious that a theoretical scum!Fred would either have to be partnered with Froggy-slot or is being bussed thanks to the fact everyone seems to be on his case. We should wait for the replacement to post either way; but I note with interest the fact of Dio voting and saying he would unvote if it got to E-1.

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@Dio: why have you ignored everything I have said about you?

Also: what acronyms are you wanting to know? Have you checked the wiki?

Wayword Son didn't really even push me. The same goes for Weuler.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Weuler is town now in my opinion

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 124 by KingTroll

Spoiler: relevant posts

I’m not a fan on the way Frederick is playing things out here. It’s anti town at the very least and could signal flaily scum. I find it strange that he is saying scum won’t be pushing him but then scum reads one person who has voted him and another who has been questioning him…

In fact on the scum not pushing him angle, it feels like everyone in the thread has now expressed suspicion of Frederick (except the replacement slot by virtue of not being here). From town!Fred’s view, at least one scum must be pushing him, but he hasn’t considered that angle at all. That’s the biggest red flag to me in the whole scenario.

I’m also conscious that a theoretical scum!Fred would either have to be partnered with Froggy-slot or is being bussed thanks to the fact everyone seems to be on his case. We should wait for the replacement to post either way; but I note with interest the fact of Dio voting and saying he would unvote if it got to E-1.

Wayword Son didn't really even push me. The same goes for Weuler.

[/vote]CampbellVOTE: To me it seems like he's dug himself a hole that he cannot get out of. I don't like the minimal answers that has been provided so far, and I cannot see why town would play in that way.

This is E-1 I hope this gets them talking.

Weuler is town now in my opinion

Weuler is town now in my opinion

Why do you now Town read Weuler? What has changed?

Campbell is currently giving townreads like candy to anyone who votes them, which I doubt the effectiveness of.

Dion, hello! Do you have any thoughts about my entry to the game (I'm especially interested in what you might have in mind about my reads on Campbell and Wayward) that you'd like to discuss?

{P-EDIT: 123! Thank you for welcoming me! Reading back to 78, you do pivot directly onto Campbell after backing off of CCG, and it is a post I like. I'm more under the belief that Campbell isn't flailing and instead refusing to speak about their thought processes regardless of the pressure put on them, maybe even clamming up more out of spite, with a Mafia!Campbell having tried to go on damage control long before they get hammered early day one. I am still interested if you have any other thoughts on my other reads that didn't involve you, if you'd like to chat about them!}

Campbell, do you think that you're a town wagon being pushed by other townies? In that case, who is off your wagon that must be wolf? Do you believe that the Dionysus wagon is similarly town ran, or that one or both of CCG and Aurora must be wolves on his wagon if yours is town? And, as a side note, why are you still voting Weuler if you are now town reading them?

Before your argument, I was thinking the mafia would know I am town and would thus be hesitant to push me. I have since reconsidered and think it should be more on a case by case basis.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 146 by AurorusVox

I like KingTroll’s entrance for the Wayward Son suspicion. I never really got a satisfactory answer from WS regarding his wooliness around the Frederick vote. Actually I can see why FAC would say WS hasn’t sufficiently pushed him (here’s a thought: this could be a possible bus/distancing in both directions, and actually the more I think about it the more this scenario plays out and makes sense)

However I’m not sure how I feel about KT’s view regarding Frederick. How can you distinguish between anti-town bad play as Town vs anti-town bad play as Scum? That’s the question mark that is hovering over FAC for me and I’m not sure how you can be that confident that it’s one or the other.

Frederick what is your read on KingTroll?

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I feel like my Dio vote is outdated. I don’t mind his interactions with FAC or KT on this page or so. Not a townread but the fact he has not unvoted does make me question the strength of my scumread.

I’m not averse to hammering on Frederick but I’d like to see more from Space and CCG before that point. I note Space’s recent post, and we definitely need to see more there.

In the meantime: VOTE: Wayward Son

Let's just say I don't trust KingTroll. Seems very confident I am town when most players don't think I am. A standard player would at least feel some pressure to follow the norm.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

post 148 by Space
My very first post was a lie intended to make myself suspicious.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I am a vanilla townie.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Campbell, can you answer my question to you yesterday?

I thought it will make the game an easy solve.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

AurorusVox is probably town.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

AurorusVox is probably town.

This is based on AurorusVox's attempts to figure out alignment.

Also, I am sorry to everyone that I decided to not spend time here in the past few days. I was lacking motivation to do anything.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It is best that I don't form a read around KingTroll, as my read will definitely be biased.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Right now, I am quite null on everyone else. I'll be rereading and evaluating these players.

VOTE: KingTroll

I'm not sure if I'm overcompensating my bias.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Based on post 82 and subsequent posts, Weuler is probably town.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Post 47 is my reason for thinking CCGeek is mafia. I have since come to reach a different interpretation of post 28's first paragraph's last sentence.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It was while writing post 47 that my opinion became that he is mafia, before switching back to maybe he's not later.