Newbie 2115 - Game Over

[AurorusVox]

Oh omi I forgot how much you make me want to vote you. Why is that not RVS?

Bella and Dio are probably town from that tbh

VOTE: patchwork my bro

[AurorusVox]

wait forgot it was rvs mb

Does that change anything?

[AurorusVox]

About omi I mean
Not like philosophically

[AurorusVox]

KK - you don’t think he is?
patchwork, I don’t think Dio’s vote was rvs

@dio now that omi has explained his opening post what are your thoughts?

@catboi - bella and Dio both made a vote I thought about making, so that gives them a town ding for me. Bella weaker than Dio for the reason you identified (rvs) but nonetheless I see them as aligning with my initial instinct = early townread.

I like delta’s posting, seems a genuine attempt to scumhunt. Similar for catboi who seems to be engaging in a genuine way.

Patch hasn’t given me that town ding yet, nor has KK~

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What I will say for omi is that in our recent game together he was very contradictory but also nailed the scumteam D1.

I found it next to impossible to townread him and led 2 wagons on him so I’m trying to be a little more lenient this time…

Nevertheless Delta you’re my strongest townread now, you’re basically me last game.

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Like omi is engaging in a way to try to explain things at least.

@omi I would say though you need to not put people who haven’t even posted in the red! It’s NAI at this point.

PS I know the Bella thing has come up a couple times, but I’m pretty free and easy with my reads at least early on before the paranoia sets in lol, I don’t see the point in being too careful, just kinda share it as it pops. They’re only early reads and likely to change /shrug

[AurorusVox]

Do not answer that question

Wtf omi

VOTE: omi

[AurorusVox]

Blatant pr hunting!

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Like do you really think a mafia would be like “oh let me check, hmm”

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Dodgy af that, omi.

A player new to the site is way more likely to give info about their role as town when asked a question like that than a mafia player because a mafia player already knows they have privileged information that they need to be careful about but a newbie townie either (a) might not realise it’s privileged info or (b) not realise they shouldn’t share it!!

[AurorusVox]

I’m looking after my twins alone today (18months) so won’t be around a lot, but here’s a quick and dirty reads list while they wreck the lounge and I abdicate my parental responsibilities for a few mins

Delta - obvTown is obvTown
Dio - onto omi, kept pressure up

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Catboi- vibes seem genuine so far
Bella - also onto omi but RVS, not moved vote
POD - ++town for being omi’s pr hunt target, vibes are a little off after that

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Kawaii - null. Interested to see what their response to the last game phase is.
Patch - I’m compelled by delta’s arguments but patch does seem to have a defence for most of it.

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Omi - pr hunter is obvScum

[AurorusVox]

And uhh yeah don’t chain lims delta. There’s plenty could happen between now and d2

[AurorusVox]

And then some quick questions while the boys have a snack (distraction tactics )

@bella you asked for others to give reads lists, when will you be providing yours?

@pod why were you so sensitive to a hammer when one hadn’t even been declared yet? You’re the one who put omi at e-1?

@patch you said you retract your townread of omi, are you reading him null or scum?

(Awaiting Catboi/kawaii responses to omi scum)

[AurorusVox]

Coming soon: AurorusVox analysis...

AurorusVox Analysis

- He intervened quickly when I asked Powerofdeath the question that I admit, I did not contemplate the consequences that such questions can bring to Town, I simply thought that perhaps I could discover a newbie scum by analyzing his answer regarding the setup.

You continued asking about setups after I’d intervened…that’s not “not contemplating,” that’s having it explained and powering ahead regardless

[AurorusVox]

I agree that you should have time to get your reads out Omi, and I’m sure delta can wait a little longer while you do so - but in my opinion you’ve been caught red handed fishing for PRs, even by asking if he knows the setup this was you continuing to do so (esp because you were aware that the setup isn’t in the thread and tried to use that knowledge as a bait/trap)

@patch it’s scummy because mafia will know what setup column we’re in and can infer details based on the answer pod could have given, and knowing what prs are out there (and if pod is likely one of them) could be a massive benefit to them (eg knowing if they need to be worried about a dr, knowing who is a good roleblock target etc)

I could have believed the icet 2.0 theory if he hadn’t continued to fish after I’d explicitly laid out why it was a bad idea and why town were more likely to give themselves away than scum.

[AurorusVox]

Why do you assume you are the lim today?

I'm not sure, but I have some hypothesis:
1. I think the principal motive players want to execute me is because my worng question I did to Powerofdeath.
2. Also, some people says that "I do effort to be townie" wich is funny because that's the idea:
- hunt scum (I have done more hunt scum that you Bellaphant)
- Make people see that you are from the town.
- Contribute as best as possible by giving opinions and points of view.

Sorry but I have to use the same words that I used in the previous game:
- My inconsistencies are NOT the inconsistencies of a scum.
- My inconsistencies are from a Newbie Townie.

I’m not voting you for inconsistencies btw. I explicitly didn’t vote you when you were being inconsistent.

I’m voting you for role fishing

And for continuing beyond the point at which you would have stopped if you were town

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@patch it’s scummy because mafia will know what setup column we’re in

.... don't they already know?

They know the column but not the actual setup (ie they don’t know the town prs)

Bella, yeah it’s weird omi shit and I gave him a pass for other weird omi shit earlier, and I’d give him a pass for this too but he kept going on after it was explained why it was a bad thing…

@catboi I didn’t like omi fishing around, he asked why I was voting for him so I said it was pr hunting. I don’t have to go onto the wiki to see that lol. I take your point that it might not be as common a thing as it’s suspected but omi did some crazy shit last game (see Bella above) and isn’t as green as you’re making out. Like he crumbed his role from post 1 last game in a next level move.

It’s entirely feasible to me that this is the sort of thing he would do and what’s problematic for me is that he continued to fish after I’d explicitly outlined why it was a bad idea.

[AurorusVox]

Knowing the setup could be fishing because the question could be interpreted as “do you know the setup we are currently playing” ie do you have additional information at play about the distribution of prs.

Otherwise what were you hoping to gain from asking?

Like, if knowing the setup doesn’t demonstrate privileged info, why did you even ask the question in the first place? How would pod knowing the setup help you catch him out as scum?

You weren’t asking it to be helpful because your next post was pouncing on the fact he knew it, despite it not being in the first posts of the game.

[AurorusVox]

Like make it simple for me

Why did you ask that question?

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also yes I know the setup

How do you know the Setup if MOD didn't put it here?

This is not a follow up post to an innocent question about the setup imo

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vox i'm curious about this, how do you think asking about the mafia prs informs scum more

For example:
If town says they know part of the setup we’re in then they are admitting to being a pr, this in itself is good info for scum

Then furthermore if the player is new and they give further info like “I know we’re in col B” or “I know we’re not in col C” for example, they will be revealing that they are eg a FN or not a doctor etc.

Because maf have more info these small pieces of info that are given out mean much more to them.

Now, surely omi knew that asking about setup would reveal some form of privileged knowledge because he’s claiming to be asking it to trip scum up. I explained why asking these questions was more likely to out a town pr but he continued to ask about setups (yes omi I know your question changed). He’s also now trying to present his second question as innocent and conversational but like…not with the “aha” post he followed PODs response up with. It’s my opinion he was still trying to get insight into how informed PoD was with his follow up question.

I mean. Last game, I know I got hung up on these sorts of things (and said I’d be less intent on them this time) and fine; omi could be doing a weird newbie town gambit. It’s possible.

And look. There’s at least 3-4 things that I would have voted omi for last game.

But what I’ve tried to do is take away the inconsistencies in the posting (as I have come to expect them to be there) and instead I’m reacting to the way he has played the questioning conversation out

despite being warned about the problems with it.

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It’s interesting to me that Catboi has zeroed in on this whole situation making *me* scum, but not any of the other players who found omi’s actions scummy. He’a justified this by saying my posts have been flat, which I’m not sure what that means?

Partly makes me wonder if Catboi *knows* omi is town and is looking for someone to point the finger at, and me being the first one to react to it made me a good candidate. Like he says that what omi did was a wiki tell - he admits that it could be a tell, even if it’s not one that he thinks is common - but doesn’t seem to consider it could be from scum at all, and makes all his arguments from a town!omi perspective.

The very fact that it’s a tell, regardless of how common it is; means that it’s feasible someone (and from the reaction it got, many someones) could see the actions as scummy. And yet that doesn’t appear to enter Catbois rationale at all?

@catboi do you think it’s reasonable to take issue with what omi did?

[AurorusVox]

Maybe reasonable isn’t the right question

Feasible?

I mean you can answer both I guess

[AurorusVox]

@patch, and which townies will have insight into the possible scum prs? Cos it ain’t the vts

@kk have you read the thread or asking us for a summary?

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@bella, limbait what? I purposefully didn’t go for omi earlier for some potentially scummy things because I saw them as NAI given his play last time. If limbat is what I was after then the easier thing to do would have been to push eg his weird opening, his contradictory posting, and the fact he’s threatening to vote you despite having you as third highest town read.

Maybe if I hadn’t been the one engaging with him earlier I wouldn’t be so hung up on this specific thing. But like, I explicitly warned him that what he was doing was more likely to out town prs and he kept going? I mean it could be the same omi being omi but this is what I can’t get past atm. I feel like town omi would have seen that and then stopped.

And tbh I’m getting a little fed up of the suspicion of omi being treated as some sneaky scum ploy when let me check six people thought it was dodgy and scummy af

And I was the first one to respond to that so it’s not like I’m trying to ride a wagon as scum to blend in

I mean objectively speaking at least 4 townies have to have taken issue with it. Yet apparently I’m scummy for starting the push?

There’s gotta be at least one scum in {Catboi, patch, Bella}

Spoiler: Omi is scummy posts

Do not answer that question

Wtf omi

VOTE: omi

Im going to do the unthinkable and put you in L-1 tbh

yes its day 1

also yes I know the setup

VOTE: OMIGRON

in 9 years yea

What Power Role do you think Mafia have?

Bahahahaha

OK that was easy. Who's your partner?

Wtf was that. I'm never down to power elim someone day one but lordy.

omi what [insert the sobbing emoji here] that was absolutely an unreal experience to view

Right, that's a little to unpack. I'll be back to share my thoughts in the next 2-3 hours.

Long and short from a brief glance, holy sh*t that's scummy. More to follow.

Ninja'd:
Stuff on Vox uhh I'll have a look in a bit

Ninja'd Twice:
More stuff on Vox

Ninja'd Thrice:
Ahhhhhh

[AurorusVox]

Of course they will.

If you were eg a Mason or Cop you’d know the scum had either roleblocker or no prs. If you were a FN you’d know they had a rolecop.

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Compared to vt who would have literally no knowledge.

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Doctor existence also confirms that maf have a pr so even something like a newbie saying eg “I know maf have prs” in a misguided attempt to share their privileged info could tell scum that this player is a doctor, for example.

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also i still doubt the omi thing was done by scum to pr hunt because it seems like he was mostly unaware of the implications of his post (hunting town prs)

Except didn’t I tell him those implications and he still continued to ask about setup knowledge?

[AurorusVox]

Okay let me try this

@newbies, are the things I’m saying resonating as something you were aware of, or am I assuming greater grasp of the mechanics then newbies typically have?

[AurorusVox]

Dodgy af that, omi.

A player new to the site is way more likely to give info about their role as town when asked a question like that than a mafia player because a mafia player already knows they have privileged information that they need to be careful about but a newbie townie either (a) might not realise it’s privileged info or (b) not realise they shouldn’t share it!!

This was me explaining why it was bad before omi asked another question about setup knowledge

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@delta, what has omi done to make you think he’s not scum now? Ie what has changed since your declared intent to hammer?

@bella, patch: similar question, is this omi being omi, or is it something more sinister? I’m trying to counterbalance the possibility of confirmation bias here

[AurorusVox]

Ugh, I’m a little lost tbh.

I’ve been reflecting on the omi stuff and although it’s objectively a bad thing for him to potentially out town prs, and although he carried on going after I’d warned him of the risks…

Would he have carried on as scum? Despite drawing heat for it? I’m not sure anymore. Might have been confirmation bias on my part due to (1) how scummy the pr hunting was and (2) paranoia and self doubt from giving him the free pass on other stuff

UNVOTE:

I’ve been super busy today, tbh I’m gonna be busy all week, but will try to get my head more in the game.

I think there were a few things aimed at me-

@delta I’m finding it hard to get a read on patch, they’re latest thing about voting me to get me to answer questions I’m just like what? I would have answered your questions anyway my dude and in fact I had been doing beforehand fwir, so I’m iffy there because it looks like they might have been following Catboi. At the same time I don’t necessarily get a huge scumding. Like last game I was able to townread patch because they townslipped and even then I later doubted it lol

@bella if you mean my {cat / patch / Bella} thing, well the whole sus on me for my omi play, particularly from you and patch, riled me up because like you were pushing me based on something you had yourselves both found scummy from omi. Tbh I think I’d just gotten frustrated that something that was so obviously not a scum play (6 people found it dodgy, so I’m even talking *objectively* not scummy!) was being used to push me and seemingly gaining traction, fmpov scum had to be involved there. I need to see Catboi response to do anything with that read tho. I spoke about patch a little up there. And you never voted me in that period so you’re kinda up in the air for me atm. I dunno tbh.

I need to get a better read on pod in a potentially-town omi world, and I need to process KK since they started posting a bit more. Probably won’t be til tomorrow night at the earliest to get anythint solid, but gut initially says KK’s entrance made them a target for a “limbait” wagon to use Bella’s terminology…

Will try to solidify some things later but there we go, that’s where I’m at for now.

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One thing I’ll ask, patch, you voted KK when they were active lurking? Is that different from not liking omi’s activity based votes?

[AurorusVox]

It reminded me of this your last post lol

But yeah I’d also agree omi more recent posting has been an improvement on the retreat into iso / given up omi

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Town slipped last game I mean

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(Oh lol it was the whole response to my post that you couldn’t comprehend from a scum pov when you shared your ND, I was like yup this guys defo looking at my post from a town pov here)

[AurorusVox]

Hi patch, I got about halfway through your iso and I have some questions

Here you are saying there’s a higher chance omi was pr hunting:

while they wreck the lounge and I abdicate my parental responsibilities for a few mins

lol good luck, thanks for the reads

@patch you said you retract your townread of omi, are you reading him null or scum?

scumlean but more towards a scumread than null, the reason why i consider him as such is that it literally could just be Omi Goofy and he was trying to get an icet 2.0, but

there's also a much higher chance that he was trying to pr hunt

What changed to make you “still doubt” it was that after all? Seems like you maybe got confused about what your read on omi was between these two posts?

also

i still doubt

the omi thing was done by scum to pr hunt because it seems like he was mostly unaware of the implications of his post (hunting town prs)

Then on a different note, here you are understanding the point about pr hunting:

I agree that you should have time to get your reads out Omi, and I’m sure delta can wait a little longer while you do so - but in my opinion you’ve been caught red handed fishing for PRs, even by asking if he knows the setup this was you continuing to do so (esp because you were aware that the setup isn’t in the thread and tried to use that knowledge as a bait/trap)

@patch it’s scummy because mafia will know what setup column we’re in and can infer details based on the answer pod could have given, and knowing what prs are out there (and if pod is likely one of them) could be a massive benefit to them (eg knowing if they need to be worried about a dr, knowing who is a good roleblock target etc)

I could have believed the icet 2.0 theory if he hadn’t continued to fish after I’d explicitly laid out why it was a bad idea and why town were more likely to give themselves away than scum.

ok makes sense

But then you repeatedly say you don’t understand to the point where you have to vote me to get me to answer your questions (which as above, I’d already engaged with answering)

VOTE: vox EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

For the record, if you want to have a look at someone defending Omi absolutely, Have a look at Patchwork's #202 onwards, from which in the space of 4 minutes Patch overturns their viewpoint 180 and sheeps behind Cat on Vox.

also on this because i didn't respond to it,

i wasn't voting vox because i thought he was scum (like catboi), but rather to put pressure on him to answer my questions

. i knew that pr hunting was bad but didn't fully understand why omi was getting shade for it, so i mostly just followed along because i was a little more intimidated by the other players in this game. then, i asked vox (can't remember if it was before or after catboi) about it.

can you explain these inconsistencies please

[AurorusVox]

KK and PoD are up next for me but probably not tonight, will prioritise them tomorrow

[AurorusVox]

This feels like a really disingenuopus deflection to me, I don't buy the appeal to majority argument, of course they can't all be scum but the notion that a popular wagon would not be jumped on by scum, if OMI is town, is really weird to me?? I understand AV still thinks OMI is scum but it shouldn't be hard to grasp someone having the perspective that they think OMI is town who scum jumped on as an easy push

This is a bad argument

Either you’re saying I’m the scum who jumped on the popular wagon (I can’t be - I was the first one to start the push based on omi’s actions) or you’re saying scum jumped on the popular wagon than I started (which implies the scum came later)

Either way you’re saying something that disproves the idea that I’m the scum on the “easy” wagon.

[AurorusVox]

Hi guys, sorry things have been difficult for me at the minute - ill twins, work stress - I’m aware there are things going on that need attention here but not really in the right head space for it atm. I started an iso on pod last night but didn’t have the energy to see it through. I’ll get it finished off this morning if I can but the long and short of it was I didn’t see a huge amount of scumminess from the slot. A few pings but I don’t support the wagon right now.

@catboi - I just can’t with you at the moment. You said that scum are jumping on the popular wagon. The wagon wasn’t popular when I voted it (one vote plus one RVS). It’s like you’re using whatever I say to try to frame it as me being scum. It’s like whatever I say or do you’re finding a reason to paint it as scummy. Your own words deny your argument and you’re still making it?? The people who jumped on the popular wagon would be one of pod, patch, delta. It’s not delta (duh) so one of patch or pod, and whether it’s with a vote on me (again) or your case on pod, imo you’re finding ways to deflect the wagon that was building on patch.

I’ll finish my pod iso and see if I believe your pod vote was genuine, but I have bigger questions for patch than pod atm (Bella I don’t think I’ve been ignoring it, I isod patch and he hasn’t answered my questions yet?)

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Pod iso:

First few posts are contentless.

Reading delta-patch at tvt or tvm isn’t a lot of content either, but pod is consistent in returning to this read and treats it as tvt later on

The next content comes in #10, self conscious e-1 vote and following weirdness around the hammer is potentially suspicious - maybe worried he’ll draw the blame for it? Suggesting he knows omi is a mislim.

This is the worst thing

Who said anything about hammering today, all I did was putting him at E-1, if someone hammer, well, we can judge them on next day cycle.

Also, putting him out of E-1 before he post would be pretty scummy in my eyes.

Sounds like again he maybe knows the hammer would be on a townie hence why we’d need to “judge them on next day cycle” but again, it’s “could mean” this and not overtly scummy. I can see s townie being cavalier about a scumread being on e-1 and dealing with the consequences of being wrong later.

Then I actually don’t mind the interactions with omi after that, re stop isoing and get back to the game; pod also interacts okay with KK (possible easy mislim target for their entrance to the game - also for later reference, patch voted KK early on for activity/active lurking). This makes pod seem more townie to me.

I think someone accused him of narrating events rather than giving reads but I’ve seen a few scum reads in the iso and the Catboi one especially isn’t really a sheepy suspicion (paired with my own growing suspicions of Catboi this also reads as townie)

Bit defensive there?

A quick ISO and I'm not much clearer on where you stand on most people. Has your opinion of Omi shifted, do you have any bad vibes from anyone else etc?

Its his 3rd time saying i have weird vibes so I wanted clarification on it

No I still think Omi is scum, I didnt like the way he approached me right after I started posting here. I didnt like his reaction to being on E-1, he started doing analysis of everyone in the game until he stopped and never came back after being called out on it. Its like hes adjusting on purpose to try his best to not get voted here.

I'm not a big fan of Catboi trying to defend Omi as much, and I'm not a big fan of Bell being a sheep, I would definitely wager that at least 1 scum is in those list of those 3 people.

So not really sure the arguments against him are valid?

Also waiting on patch to respond to my question and Catboi said he had to respond to my walls (he’s now gone back to accusing me of being scum for calling out his bad logic so who knows if he’ll ever actually bother to do that)

My current working theory is patch and Catboi, patch followed Catboi onto me with inconsistent reasoning and Catboi has pulled the wagon away from patch and onto pod. he’s now gone back to voting me because he’s accusing me of manipulating his words (that’s rich when all he’s been doing all game is manipulating my words and actions) Catboi also ignoring basic logic of arguments to push his agenda. I don’t think he’s an idiot, I think he’s scum.

I’d lim either one today but with deadline creeping up this is the right vote

VOTE: patch answer my questions

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Catboi - I’ve been thinking about this on the way into work and what gets my goat is that you’re making arguments that have a general grounding but then not applying it to the specific situation.

And then twisting my words to fit that general situation instead of the specific one.

For example, I’m not saying scum can’t lead a wagon on someone perceived as an easy lim, of course not

I’m saying your argument for finding my participation suspicious was because I “jumped on” a “popular wagon” - those are your words.

And I’ve shown you that the situation did not play out in this way. I didn’t jump on anything. It wasn’t popular at the time I voted. Therefore you misrepresented the situation in your argument to suit your agenda.

In fact. Let’s make it simple. Do you think I jumped on a popular wagon?

If you want to argue that I’m suspicious for leading a wagon on a townie then say that. Don’t say I jumped on a popular wagon then when called out on that misrepresentation claim that I’m the one who’s manipulating your words.

But you don’t want to argue I’m leading a wagon on a townie - why? Because either it suggests you know omi is town, or you actually recognise that omi was highly suspicious for what he did and that there’s a valid reason for starting and pushing him for his actions, and that there’s nothing suspicious about doing so. But of course the latter would dismantle your whole ridiculous case against me.

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Pod do you think your omi vote is doing anything at the moment? We’re only 3 days away from deadline.

Bella - misrepping, bad logic, deflecting from partner wagon*. I agree me vs cat isn’t really helping things atm so that’s why I’m drilling more into patch

*not sure if this actually holds water since Catboi voted me when keeping the vote on pod left him at e-1. Catboi/patch may not be the slam dunk I thought it was tbh. Something I need to think about more.

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@patch/KK thanks guys, lots of coughing and not much sleeping zzz

Actually while I have you here patch, you said you think you’ve actually behaved quite scummy, what do you make of people who have been reading you as town?

I’m eager to see your pod case but can you also answer my questions about your inconsistencies earlier on?

[AurorusVox]

Omigron you wrote your letter to patch earlier if he was town *or* scum, can you just give me a quick heads up. Do you think he’s town?

[AurorusVox]

@pod - thanks, I understand why you’ve not moved your vote now.

Can I ask for a quick rundown of why you see patch as town? Is it mainly because you saw him and delta as tvt?

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@bella, his question about pizza was just ._.

But I have gone through the iso this morning and see a mix of things. I outlined the parts I found suspicious, but also some parts that rang townie. Is there anything you’d like to draw my attention to beyond the woolly (lol) sheeping accusations?

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KK I have two main questions

Spoiler: Point 1

P-edit my issue with patch is their takes just seem wildly inconsistent? Like...they scum read me + the person I'm voting for but also missed this and asked me about my read on pod after ten posts of hyper posting about it. Like...wut

I feel the same, the flip flops don't make any sense to me

If you notice patchwork have in total

93 posts

.

I know the number of posts don't means anything about the alignment.

But, I think is easier identify scum who write a lot than a scum who write few.

You feel it's best to keep a potentially active scum than a potentially inactive scum?

P-edit my issue with patch is their takes just seem wildly inconsistent? Like...they scum read me + the person I'm voting for but also missed this and asked me about my read on pod after ten posts of hyper posting about it. Like...wut

Like how do you miss this? I get missing things but the whole way patch is playing is confusing me

VOTE: patch

Legit think pod is a better lim but these are my lim pool

Want to vote pod with me?

VOTE: powerofdeath

If you were this suspicious of patch why did you derail the wagon on them to swap to pod? How much *more* confident are you in pod scum than patch scum?

Spoiler: Point 2

oops i replied inside the quote, bella, catboi, omigron

Yee I thought catboi but didn't wanna assume, this checks out, I'm assuming you believe mafia to be within these 3? I feel bella is town, catboi is 50/50, most likely is 0mi but Idk I'm divided on 0mi

oops i replied inside the quote, bella, catboi, omigron

Why did you want to eliminate omi so much? What value does the flip give?

That's massively underwhelming. This is why people are saying it's narrative: it's platitudes, it isn't engaging with the game at all.

I asked you specifically to look at a conversation, a set of reads interacting, and you replied with 'sheeping in general '.

Low plays, why is pow playing like this? Pow was only amped to get 0mi eliminated

If you think omi is the most likely scum of the people pod mentioned, why are you questioning his desire to lim omi/suggesting he’s only interested to lim omi (assuming you see this as scummy?)

Can you rank patch, pod, omi in levels of scumminess for me please?

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@av, have you COVID tested? I felt shit over the weekend, positive for the first time ever Monday. I couldn't believe how shit it was/is.

We all caught covid on their first Christmas i think they just have nursery colds + teething, but because there’s two of them, they keep waking each other up when they cough when what they really need is a good nights sleep (what we all need zzzzz)

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Pod at e-2 atm I think

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I’m saying your argument for finding my participation suspicious was because I “jumped on” a “popular wagon” - those are your words.

And I’ve shown you that the situation did not play out in this way. I didn’t jump on anything. It wasn’t popular at the time I voted. Therefore you misrepresented the situation in your argument to suit your agenda.

THAT IS NOT WHY YOU ARE SCUM

YOU ARE SUCM BECAUSE YOU KEEP MAKING THESE TERRIBLE SEMANTIC ARGUMENTS

I THINK YOUR PUSH ON OMI WAS IN BAD FAITH

Dude. Those were your own words. “Jumped on” and “popular wagon”. Don’t act so outraged with me for thinking that the reason you’re calling me scum is because of the thing you said I was scummy for.

VOTE: catboi

Not cop or Mason

Over to Catboi

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Sorry just saw Catboi already didn’t counter. We’ll shoot over to patch in that case.

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@catboi I know you don’t want me to respond to these things since you’re “done” talking to me but I can’t just let you continue to misrep me.

After this, I’m happy to sideline the argument because I’ve tried to move on to engaging with others now.

But -
My point *isn’t* that scum can’t be on that wagon. I actually outright said this in an earlier post - and yes, that would be a ridiculous argument to make

My point is that you’ve zeroed in on only me when your own stated words suggest you should look elsewhere (or at the very least consider others as well). You said about jumping on a popular wagon - okay you’re now saying you said that in general terms, but there ARE actually people who jumped on it when it became popular who you haven’t interrogated.

And then you don’t like me calling you out and holding you accountable for your words. You say I’m nitpicking semantics. I’m sorry but that’s a valid way to find scum; players whose words and actions don’t tally. It’s not my fault you’ve said something you didn’t mean.

@omi he already said he wasn’t counterclaiming earlier, so I asked patch instead

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And Catboi I don’t disagree with your argument that me starting the wagon doesn’t magically make me town.

But I’ve never said that. I’ve said I don’t think me being the first one to vote omi for his potential pr hunting makes me scummy. You seem in that post to have an open mind about it - “whether scum started or took advantage of it is unclear” - but your play doesn’t demonstrate that same open mindedness.

Anyway. That’s me done for now I’m already running late for work.

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@pod while you are here, can you outline for me why you think patch is town beyond the tvt read via delta?

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*via his arguments with delta I mean

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*via his arguments with delta I mean

their*

Sorry patch!

You said you’re caught up but you’ve missed my Q to you about your inconsistencies

Weren’t you doing a case on pod?

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Spoiler: Q post for Patch

Hi patch, I got about halfway through your iso and I have some questions

Here you are saying there’s a higher chance omi was pr hunting:

while they wreck the lounge and I abdicate my parental responsibilities for a few mins

lol good luck, thanks for the reads

@patch you said you retract your townread of omi, are you reading him null or scum?

scumlean but more towards a scumread than null, the reason why i consider him as such is that it literally could just be Omi Goofy and he was trying to get an icet 2.0, but

there's also a much higher chance that he was trying to pr hunt

What changed to make you “still doubt” it was that after all? Seems like you maybe got confused about what your read on omi was between these two posts?

also

i still doubt

the omi thing was done by scum to pr hunt because it seems like he was mostly unaware of the implications of his post (hunting town prs)

Then on a different note, here you are understanding the point about pr hunting:

I agree that you should have time to get your reads out Omi, and I’m sure delta can wait a little longer while you do so - but in my opinion you’ve been caught red handed fishing for PRs, even by asking if he knows the setup this was you continuing to do so (esp because you were aware that the setup isn’t in the thread and tried to use that knowledge as a bait/trap)

@patch it’s scummy because mafia will know what setup column we’re in and can infer details based on the answer pod could have given, and knowing what prs are out there (and if pod is likely one of them) could be a massive benefit to them (eg knowing if they need to be worried about a dr, knowing who is a good roleblock target etc)

I could have believed the icet 2.0 theory if he hadn’t continued to fish after I’d explicitly laid out why it was a bad idea and why town were more likely to give themselves away than scum.

ok makes sense

But then you repeatedly say you don’t understand to the point where you have to vote me to get me to answer your questions (which as above, I’d already engaged with answering)

VOTE: vox EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

For the record, if you want to have a look at someone defending Omi absolutely, Have a look at Patchwork's #202 onwards, from which in the space of 4 minutes Patch overturns their viewpoint 180 and sheeps behind Cat on Vox.

also on this because i didn't respond to it,

i wasn't voting vox because i thought he was scum (like catboi), but rather to put pressure on him to answer my questions

. i knew that pr hunting was bad but didn't fully understand why omi was getting shade for it, so i mostly just followed along because i was a little more intimidated by the other players in this game. then, i asked vox (can't remember if it was before or after catboi) about it.

can you explain these inconsistencies please

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Fair, fair. Didn’t connect the dots there (blame the twins)

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Patch, can you answer omi’s question to Bella too?

Like do you think there’s a relative chance pod is scum fake claiming?

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Sorry just saw Catboi already didn’t counter. We’ll shoot over to patch in that case.

no counter

Sorry, what does "no counter" mean?

Think he means he doesn’t cc tracker / cop / mason

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Right so we’re less than 2 days from deadline, we need to get organised and figure out who we’re limming today, or we run the risk of no lim

Drop the popcorn claiming and if you cc pod then speak up asap (delta and KK I think are the only ones who hsbff eg mr confirmed yet)

My pool is Catboi, patch, omi in that order

Everyone should share their pool in their next post so we can get this sorted before deadline

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*who haven’t confirmed yet

Sorry, phone + 3am crying

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@python didn’t omi outline it should be tracker cop or Mason who can counterclaim?

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@pach agree but delta and KK have barely posted since the claim so still a very low outside chance

Who’s your lim pool?

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As in I think KK hasn’t posted since thhe claim (?) and delta has literally only just checked in to say they’ll catch up properly tomorrow

Ps what changed to take you from decent chance at pod fake claiming to probably town?

No one new has confirmed not Mason/cop/tracker
Just Bella saying probably town the post after yours?

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(K just checked KK has posted but a question as if they didn’t understand what was happening with claims)

Boys are sleeping again so I’m out til morning now I hope

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@patch please

what changed to take you from decent chance at pod fake claiming to probably town *between post 604 and 614?

No one new has confirmed not Mason/cop/tracker
Just Bella saying probably town the post after yours?

*I added post numbers for clarification

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@omi you keep saying it needs to be between me or cat today due to your partner analysis, but you haven’t actually said which of me or cat you think is scummier. Kinda feels like you’re waiting to see which one town gravitates towards before making your choice and gives me a tingle that maybe you might be setting up a mislim dichotomy between two townies.

Between me and Catboi who do you think is scummier and should be limmed? If neither of us are being limmed would there be anyone else in your pool or would you not support any other wagon? We need these questions answered asap because we’re coming up on a fast approaching deadline.

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@KK who’s in your pool for today?

In fact we still need pools from kk, cat, bella, delta and pod, I’ve included them based on previous posts but please correct me if this is not accurate:

Av: cat patch omi
Up: omi KK
Patch: KK omi (cat)
Omi: av cat
Kk: (?)
Cat: av
Pod: omi cat bella
Bella: patch
Delta: patch (KK?)

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I’m gonna be busy with the twins this morning and then out at a friends from 2pm my time so not got a lot of time to dedicate today.

Please can people prioritise getting their lim pools together so we don’t end up with a no lim or a rushed lim tomorrow. I’m conscious we could still potentially wagon on another claimed pr and we need time to pivot to a second choice lim if needs be.

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Then lay a vote down my dude we’re less than 36 hours from deadline

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Based on previous posting (delta cat pod bella - update me in your next posts if the above lim pools are inaccurate) and stated lim pools from the rest of the players (av up patch omi KK), and *not* accounting for orders of preferences, we’re at:

Omi (5)
Cat (4)
KK/patch (3)
AV (2)
Bella (1)

[Pod, UP, Delta (0)]

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Omi you need to unvote pod and pick who you’re voting

Bella, you only mentioned patch as your lim choice recently, please vote them if that’s the case, or share your other candidates

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Update from the loo (tmi sorry)

I’ve put square brackets round the players who haven’t posted yet since I asked about lim pools so theirs is just based on their most recent posts regarding lims.

Av: cat patch omi
Up: omi KK
Patch: KK omi (cat)
Omi: av cat
Kk: omi
[Cat: av]
[Pod: omi cat bella]
Bella: patch up
[Delta: patch (KK?)]

Omi (5)
Cat (4)
KK/patch (3)
AV (2)
Bella/Up (1)

[Pod, Delta (0)]

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@up I am more than happy to see cat taken all the way to a hammer, I’m not bussing here Catboi arguments have been terrible vs me all game and I got fed up of it and eventually and voted them because they seemed smart enough to not keep making such terrible arguments and I feel like like they keep changing the things they’re saying but to try to make me out to be scum

I’m a little drunk now so if you have any questions now I’d a good time to ask

I will swap onto patch or omi to make a lim happen but if there are people willing to go for Catboi first that’s where I’d like to go first

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I mean

4 people have Catboi

That’s nearly enough

Plus a few who weren’t declared

Put your money where your mouth is and have Catboi in your pool and that’s 5

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Sorry if I’m being rude lol

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Catboi has 4 people that’s more than patch or KK so I don’t see this vision you have that Catboi is less likely than those two

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When we’re like 24 hours from deadline people need to consider within the whole limpool I think

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Update:

Av: cat patch omi
Up: omi KK (cat/av)
Patch: KK omi (cat)
Omi: cat
Kk: omi
[Cat: av]
Pod: omi cat bella
Bella: patch up
Delta: patch KK (cat omi?)

Omi (6)
Cat (6?)
KK/patch (3)
AV (2)
Bella/Up (1)

[Pod, Delta (0)]

@mod I know deadline has been paused, is it going to be extended post-replacement or resume from where it was up to?

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The omi back and forth I find really hard to get a read on. I can’t tell if this is omi naturally being swayed by what he sees or, as delta says, opportunistic. Taking a look at the game state above it looks like it’s coming down to cat vs omi so finding a reason to get on cat could be a scum move from omi to save themselves. After putting all that effort into reading me vs cat you throw it away to follow someone else’s argument?

I’m concerned because obviously I’m the one pushing cat, and if omi is being dodgy around it, I have to consider the idea I might be wrong. Like, after concluding me vs cat was tvt who were your scumreads omi - Patch? I wonder if omi knew going for patch was only pushing it to 4 votes (not enough)?

Okay, wild theory time, it’s patch and omi together and omi has conveniently got patch as his second lim choice after someone whose lim has more support.

Anyway those are my three lims for the day. I’d probably swap omi and patch in terms of preference just because omi has really baffled me with his recent posts

(…paranoia brain has entered the fight, now it’s saying maybe he concluded tvt on his partner, saw up’s post that cat was never likely to be limmed today, and thought he could get away with the bus that up was accusing me of lol)

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Don’t think it changes much of my analysis in the previous post but I forgot to add that omi did also have patchwork as his second lim choice to the numbers below, I’ve edited them now

Update:

Av: cat patch omi
Up: omi KK (cat/av)
Patch: KK omi (cat)
Omi: cat patch
Kk: omi
[Cat: av]
Pod: omi cat bella
Bella: patch up
Delta: patch KK (cat omi?)

Omi (6)
Cat (6?)
patch (4)
Kk (3)
AV (2)
Bella/Up (1)

[Pod, Delta (0)]

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And I should have had a ? after both omi and cat “6” in the tally too fml don’t post hungover guys lol

Don’t think it changes much of my analysis in the previous post but I forgot to add that omi did also have patchwork as his second lim choice to the numbers below, I’ve edited them now

Update:

Av: cat patch omi
Up: omi KK (cat/av)
Patch: KK omi (cat)
Omi: cat patch
Kk: omi
[Cat: av]
Pod: omi cat bella
Bella: patch up
Delta: patch KK (cat omi?)

Omi/Cat (6?)
patch (4)
Kk (3)
AV (2)
Bella/Up (1)

[Pod, Delta (0)]

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Guys if you’re debating whether this is me bussing Catboi then get your votes on this wagon. I won’t unvote at e-1, though we would obviously need to wait for the replacement to come in and claim if it got to that.

Alternatively I would get behind omi or patch. Because deadline is paused we’re not at quite the crisis point that we were before (otherwise we’d need a lim sorted in the next 3 hours)

@mod can you give us any indication how much deadline will be left once a replacement has been found for Catboi?

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PS not sure I like what UP setting up here.

It’s omi and cat; failing that it’s cat and av. potentially setting up chaine mislims?

Makes me think omi AND cat could both be town??

I think I might be getting in my head too much tho so not sure what to make of it

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Oh it’s my scumday

Wait no it’s tomorrow ha

Patch what do you mean about history repeating itself?

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Patch who do you think is mafia?

Weren’t you going to look over some things to come to some sort of conclusion in earnest?

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It’s the fact you’re chaining partners by “if x flips town” - as scum you’d know if x was going to flip town.

I think Catboi/omi/patch are scum and have links to each other but if eg Catboi flips town that doesn’t mean I automatically think it must be omi/patch (although to be fair I probably would think that because of how omi has played the cat wagon and now I understand your point so okay I get it)

I get in my own head a bit too much sometimes. Your argument makes sense contextually except for the flaw in that I’m not scum / bussing catboi, and the fact that I’m perfectly happy to see this wagon through to be the lim but I guess that won’t be proven until it happens /shrug

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Patch has kinda been coasting eh

I think I still have Qs to them that they still haven’t answered

@Delta - I’m having my head spun a bit as the day is drawing to a close tbh, I noticed you have brought KK and omi to the table as possible suspects now, and even a nod toward the case vs cat; but throughout it all you’ve remained steadfast in your patch read. Is there any part of you that doubts this scumread? Just trying to get a bead on things from your pov.

@omi - if you see KK/patch as scummy but not partners together, but then have a realisation that cat could be scum, the question is why you didn’t try to drill down between KK/patch first? That’s what seems opportunistic about it (since my tallies had cat at a higher count than patch so he’d be more likely to reach 5 votes than patch OR because you could be partnered with patch trying to swerve the wagon away from him)

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@delta while you’re doing that - theoretically if omi had voted like this for patch would it make you rethink your scumread on them?

I know that’s a weird q but this is kinda half to help me assess your slot and half+ to check my own headspace with what’s going on with omi/cat lol cos omi’s behaviour is making me doubt this cat vote atm ngl

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@mod can we get a prod on KK please?

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Find it interesting they kowah drops a scumread on delta but then it goes nowhere. I know you’re focusing on getting up to speed but can you explain where this came from?

Omi still wanting to push pod!scum despite the claim is weird

Patch - by coasting I mean it’s been low effort and just getting by. Like you’ve put KK top scumread, not really explained why, and haven’t voted them…we’re now back on a timeline so like the time to ramp up the effort is now

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@omi Sorry I thought that was referring to KK?

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Serious question: If Powerofdeath didn't have claimed. Do you really think his behaviour is a townie behaviour?

His better input in this game has been claim. No more.

I consider, Powerofdeath should support a little bit more to resolve this. If Powerofdeath is a really townie I ask you to support town with more opinions.

Same to KawaiiKame and patchwork (whoever town of both you).

This is where I thought you were pushing him as scum still

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This is where I thought you were pushing him as scum still

I'm thinking that the problem with me is my English. Maybe players can't understand me how I will wish.

If you’d said pod in that post where you mixed up the names it would have made sense, it’s not your English

And in the other post you were saying the only thing townie about him is his claim, which to me implied you thought he was scum fakeclaiming

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VOTE: Pod

Fake news.

Should I full claim?

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Like targets etc or just role

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JK
Jailed patch

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Pod/partner probably rolecopped me and so he is throwing a guilty in me to get me out today

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Why would I jail you? You claimed tracker. I wanted your result (if you were legit)

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Okay so, I assume he’s trying to fish out the doctor before he get voted here

Nope just laying down the truth

Why do you think I freaked out so much over omi’s pr hunting lol I felt personally threatened

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why did you not JK me?

Like why would a town tracker even ask this

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I can justify my pr target - patch quick hammered before a claim, highly scummy

Justify picking to track me rather than patch?
That doesn’t “track” (lol) with your claimed townreads yesterday.

Unless you’re making it up.
And in reality you “tracked” me bc you or your partner rolecopped me and wanted to get rid of a pr

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No I literally just isod you to see where your justification would be and there is none

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And if you want to get into that

Why tf would I agree to do both the kill and the rolecop anyway with a tracker???

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A couple reasons.

- Patch was most scummy and I wanted to hit scum
- If we were in the roleblocker setup like the claimed pr suggested, jking patch could stop him roleblocking pod and let him get results. Whereas me jking pod would have prevented that guaranteed.
- Patch was likely to get limmed today; with a tracker claimed, I thought perhaps scum might not want to risk their other partner being tracked and outed

Obviously those scenarios were based on pod being legit. Turns out I was wrong.

As for why he’s pushing me today, we’re in the rolecop column. I assume scum rolecopped me and realised they weren’t going to be able to lim me without a faked result. They don’t want the jk to stop a kill tonight; and they also have the fn to contend with. That’s a lot of town power and not enough nights to work with really. So they have to try to force a mislim through on me instead.

I mean, ask yourself what makes more sense.

Pod tracks me as town because he townreads me but other people find me scummy. At the same time, I decide to do both scum actions (with a claimed tracker in the setup)
vs
Scum rolecop widely townread player then fake the claim to push for the mislim of a protective/blocking pr

Bear in mind scum will know there’s a FN from me being a JK. That means the tracker fakeclaim from d1 has only got so long to be useful before they fuck up and fake a claim on a FN who can corroborate their visits. Much better here to use the fakeclaim to force a mislim through on me today than fake a no visit on delta/their partner and keep hold of it

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KK do you honestly think I’m scummier than pod?
He’s taking his result cos he knows it’s the only way to get rid of my jk

He could have pretended a no visit elsewhere but then they’d have the risk of missing their kill tonight AND a fn to find and kill

This way they get rid of me today and potentially get the fn to out themselves

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*faking

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And it’s blatantly obvious to me that scum shouldn’t do two actions in a setup with a tracker. I made this point in my scum pt from my first newbie game ffs. Why would I do that as scum???

Like, what is my motivation there?

Vs what is my motivation to jk patch
Vs what is pods motivation to “track” me
Vs what is pods motivation to rolecop me
Vs what is pods motivation to fake a result on me

It’s so obvious to me what pod is doing here

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I’m curious why pod hasn’t asked the fn target to confirm whether patch visited them or not. Because a patch FN visit would out me as a liar…but you’ve not contemplated that because you know I’m not lying.

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Don’t like that from Bella. Me and pod are already 1v1; there’s no need to out the FN at this point.

If you mislim me, we have tomorrows lim sorted (pod) and having the fn stay hidden until at least then is far better than outing them and having them nk’d tonight as there’s no chance they get limmed tomorrow anyway.

Obviously limming pod today is better and then I eat the NK unless I can block it (this guarantees our win, btw) and even if I die it protects the fn until tomorrow again anyway. At that point they can claim if needed (ie if they’re getting wagonned). If no fn claims you lim UP and we win.

Re maths if we mislim me today we have to hit scum 2x in a row
- one would be pod
- if no one claims fn then it confirms UP scum and we win
- if fn claims you’re setting up a 1v1 between the two remaining players with fn as kingmaker

Whereas if we lim pod today we have an extra mislim to play with
- I get NK’d (but could possibly block the kill and survive, guaranteeing our win)
- we’re then at 4 v 1 at worst, and have two chances to hit scum

Oh yeah I’ve said it a few times but if I stop the kill then we’ve won at that point as it’ll 99% confirm my target was scum (only edge case is scum NKing but if they do that it’s still to town’s benefit)

Pedit what do you mean KK scumread?
I was talking about omi’s pr hunting?

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I’ll jail patch, if scum want to no kill then it tips power to town anyway~

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Mafia was obviously not gonna send people I fos to do the killing, or send patchwork. I just wanted to inspect someone I said I townread them but had a little bit scummy vibes from other people. Surely enough I caught you.

Who's reads were you using for this?

I can justify my pr target - patch quick hammered before a claim, highly scummy

Justify picking to track me rather than patch?
That doesn’t “track” (lol) with your claimed townreads yesterday.

Unless you’re making it up.
And in reality you “tracked” me bc you or your partner rolecopped me and wanted to get rid of a pr

What's the point of JKing/Tracking patch when they're obviously not going to do the NK?

What's the point of not JKing pod when they're obviously going to be roleblocked anyways and so won't get results?

If you got rolecopped as JK why is pod forcing a 1 for 1 instead of just killing you at night?

No one in specific. Just that it was obvious theyre not sending Bell/Catboi/Patchwork if a mafia is outside that group, so that kinda leave me with Delta/Vox/Dion/Kawaii.
It was between Vox and Kawaii for me.

Also if you analyze this here, you can clearly see that Vox is 100% thinking from rolecop's setup perspective. He never once thought about Roleblocker setup when a real Jailkeeper wouldve took that in consideration. During the night he wouldve assumed Mafia Roleblocker would be on me anyway and JK me as well, and he went in full defensive mode and went "why would I JK you?!"

This is a slip on Vox's part. No matter how you all find me scummy day 1, this is a pretty big slip and people should be hopping on that train.

Are you saying patch couldn’t have been the roleblocker? That sounds like it’s you who’s arguing from an informed perspective, not me

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I doubt he’s going to respond. Maybe to swear at us again lol.

So are we happy with me JKing patch? Cos I’m also thinking at least this way I won’t block a FN. Unless the wifom potential for the no kill is too confusing? Maybe I shouldn’t have claimed it beforehand but I think it’s best to know patch is clear if I do die…

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? Pod, I was the only person in only one lim pool, why wouldn't scum send me??

But yeah, it doesn’t make sense because his thought process is fabricated to fit his agenda.

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I have no idea why pod would lie about his result. Maybe he just hated me.

So I jailed patch like promised. Confirms him as town. Unbelievable, right? Must therefore be 2 of {bella, KK, UP}.

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In fact must be FN + {Bella/patch} because they’re setting up the fake friendly neighbour gambit

Which actually thinking about it means we’re in the roleblocker set so patch could be not confirmed town since they could have roleblocked me and killed and also there’s 2 scum left so I’m dumb and patch isn’t confirmed after all ffs

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VOTE: python

Die scum die

Ps so who’s your friendly neighbour buddy?

Actually I can figure this out myself

Bella didn’t sound like she was preparing to fake a fn claim
Patch can’t claim it due to my jailing him n1
So must be KK

Scumteam found, thank me later (pod you helped but next time don’t fake results pls)

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Ps I know no one is going to believe me (I wouldn’t believe me either) but tbh once I saw pod flip tracker I knew town had lost anyway so I won’t lose sleep over the L due to town pr deciding to do some liar’s gambit. Boredom with forum mafia, maybe.

What I would ask is to look back over d1, and especially d2, and you’ll see that I’ve been working for the benefit of the town throughout. My reaction to pods lies were 100% genuine.

Essentially if no one claims FN we know python is lying and is scum. But I’d say whoever does claim it is gonna be pythons partner. They have nothing to lose at that point because clearly it’s 99% likely I’ll be limmed before them.

@patch I’m 99% certain you’re town now, because if you were scum fake claiming FN you wouldn’t have voted for pod. Would you consider doing python or KK? Bella is like 75% likely town because she doubted the FN existence = very unlikely to be the one to fake claim it.

Hear me out. If NO ONE other than UP confirms the existence of a FN, then we know that what I’m saying is legit; because if I’m lying then one of the remaining players would just come out and call bullshit on what I’m saying.

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Oh and if two people claim to have been visited but no one claims to be the FN then that also confirms those two as the scumteam because lol they’re both faking being visited (obvs)

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Oh fuck pal I’m sorry *them

I was just so keen to get my truth out there before scum came to push a mislim on me :’(

If you’re not scum patch then you need to unvote cos otherwise scum could come in and double whammy me

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Patch don’t do this to me </3

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Tbf I don’t blame you. We can blame pod for the loss either way tbh~

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I wish we could have rode into the sunset together. Many years from now, we’d have looked back on this game and said how unbelievable it was that we navigated the lies of a town pr faking a result.

Scum must have been salivating when they saw the fake result from pod. Can you believe how happy they must have been when they saw it?? Unless you can see it in your heart to see my truth, we’re guaranteed the loss here. My bro, I leave it in your hands <3

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Do what you know is right in your heart <3

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UNVOTE:

You legit are my spirit animal <3

This was a guaranteed town loss if *literally anyone else* had been in your slot, even if we still lose I will cherish the fact that you had enough faith to hear me out~

But real talk I really can’t see it being anyone other than Python and KK at this stage, Bella is like soooo outside chance. Would you be more comfortable going for python or KK today?? I’ll repay the faith you showed in me and be guided by your thoughts here

Pedit: my guy, scum have a town pr who faked a result on me, why tf would they kill me off, they probably assumed it would be a victory for them within minutes of the day starting

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There is no FN, that’s the beauty of it.

Python has like 1% chance of faking the FN claim as town, all other options point to him as scum. I’d say to lose due to two town faking results/roles is just like there’s almost no way back from that.

Bella doesn’t make sense with her play yesterday to be a part of a FN fake scumteam unless she comes out and claims to have been visited by a FN herself today, and that would require python to claim to be the FN to work I think? So if python doesn’t claim fn then we know it can’t be python-Bella

KK makes loads of sense as a partner, he’s stayed in the background and let either python or Bella take the lead for him. I’d wager KK is the scum roleblocker from this. He also snuck the e-1 vote onto pod without announcing it, and let kowah hammer without realising. He also tried to go for me first of all, but then changed with pretty weak justification. This would be scum trying to lim the more dangerous role (jail keeper) but realising they could also use me for their next mislim and switching in an opportunistic way.

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I mean shit, all that will happen if it’s python-KK and we lim python today is that KK will nk bella and set me, you and KK up for the 3p. You even said that’s the 50:50 you’d be presented with.

KK knows I know you’re town now (why would you have unvoted me as scum), so they know they have to convince you that I’m scum, and the best way to do that is keep me alive. They know if they kill me tonight that you will lim them over Bella. And if they are the roleblocker like I think, then I can’t even prevent the kill cos they’ll just roleblock me.

That must be why python did the fn claim, so that the roleblocker could be protected.

I dunno my guy; I’ll be guided by you here. What do you think?

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VOTE: kawaii

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Python-KK scumteam confirmed, wheeee it was a wild ride but that’s a weight off my mind

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@patch, @bella - if KK was really FN why hasn’t he voted me already?

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Python won’t vote KK here in any form, so I need both of you to understand the play they’ve made here

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One last thing patch before you go. Check out pythons posts today, they are questioning KK’s manner of voting yesterday. If KK was really the FN, and python knew this, he’d have to have been visited. So why is he pushing the friendly neighbour he “knows” is town?

Because they’re scum together and this is all fabricated!

Take your time to get your head right. Python and KK are going to try to mislim me today so don’t be surprised if I’m at e-1 when you get back <3

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Notice neither of them have voted for me yet. They're scum hanging back and waiting for the opportunity to quickhammer. They’re probably kicking themselves that they weren’t online together when you voted me lol

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Anyway I’m losing my mind here so I’m going to bed now. I hope to still be alive when I wake up~

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Patch, kawaii thinking I’m town is all you need to see what’s going on here

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vox pls dont mess with my head like this augh
i really don't think pod faked on you, the way they were screeching about how town was illogical is absolutely not from a person who faked a result
and not voting is not ai

So if I started going off on one screaming and swearing at people you’d think I was not faking anything?

I think if he’d realised he was about to get hammered he’d have changed his tune and admitted he was faking for his strategy or whatever. To be fair it’s helped out the scum team (not a strat I would use but in this case it worked lol) unfortunately because kawaii e-1’d without announcing it he got hammered without that chance to admit his lies and explain his reasoning for it.

Kawaii/Python in this case not voting is totally AI. Both of them apparently have 100% proof that I’m scum. But neither of them have voted me for it.

I mean KK even thought I was town. That shows you that he hasn’t thought the fakeclaim through!

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If he was really FN the first thing he’d have done is voted me for cc him

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I mean he still hasn’t even voted me

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Anyways look it’s Mother’s Day, I can’t keep getting on here to check things throughout the day as I’ve got a full day with the twins and my wife.

Patch, if you’re gonna vote me then please do it now so I can put myself out of the misery of trying to salvage this game for town. If you can find it in your heart to believe me then please put your vote down on KK. We still need Bella to hammer it but at least I can relax for the rest of the day lol.

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vox pls dont mess with my head like this augh
i really don't think pod faked on you, the way they were screeching about how town was illogical is absolutely not from a person who faked a result
and not voting is not ai

I think if he’d realised he was about to get hammered he’d have changed his tune and admitted he was faking for his strategy or whatever. To be fair

it’s helped out the scum team

(not a strat I would use but in this case it worked lol) unfortunately because kawaii e-1’d without announcing it he got hammered without that chance to admit his lies and explain his reasoning for it.

I should say here I mean that it’s helped *to* out the scumteam

And that’s me done. Peace!

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I have 2 mins. Checked back in and nothing.

I’d accept them not voting is NAI if they were trying to progress the game forward but they’re not posting any content, literally just waiting for someone to vote me.

Like also if KK is fn how comes python is the only one who can confirm that? If you vote KK I can guarantee that no one hammers it and we out scum there and then.

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[…]do you fake a cop guilty on one of them? Why or why not?

I do that all the time in those mini mafia games I play

Pod literally crumbed his faking of result here

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We’ve exhausted the twins as softplay, they’ve fallen asleep in the back of the car and my wife is currently returning a dress which gives me a few minutes to get this out and go into more detail about that last post while I wait ha

[…]do you fake a cop guilty on one of them? Why or why not?

I do that all the time in those mini mafia games I play

Pod literally crumbed his faking of result here

@patch/bella so you’ve got to either believe someone who has admitted to faking guilties “all the time” could have faked a guilty yesterday on me

- and ps I would assume that the frustration he expressed near the end of the day was because he thought faking the guilty would see him survive through to d3 where he could explain his real results (I suspect in his mind it would have also ensured he made it to d3 because, just like why would scum have killed me last night; there’s no way they’d have killed him either when he’s a proven liar - I see the play he was going for, not something I’d do personally but if it’s in your wheelhouse to lie as town and fake results then yeah I can see the strategy)

- so you either believe the person who admits to faking guilties all the time faked a guilty on me, and that I’m genuine and town…

Or you believe that KK is really the FN, who somehow is only confirmed by python, who also somehow believed me to be town, and who stealth e-1’d the claimed tracker…and I’m just pissing in the wind this whole time for no reason.

I implore you to see what’s going on here, as mad and as illogical and as dumb as it sounds, that is the messed up game state we find ourselves in.

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If patch was the fn then you wouldn’t have claimed to know an fn existed because I jailed him so he couldn’t have visited

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If anything that just verifies my jk claim

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Nooooo
Patch
My bro </3

KK and python (plus pod in a massive way) have done us up there

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Sorry dead townies, I tried to show the people the truth

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im gonna be real fucked up if i just mishammered

Don’t blame yourself brah blame pod
One day our dream will come true

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Let’s get the endgame scene posted asap so we can grill pod on why he lied :’)

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Like patch, pod even admitted to faking guilties yesterday :’(

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ggwp everyone, shoutout to AV for getting pod miselimed

The power went to my head d3 and I tried to survive that too, lol

Paaaaaatch I’m sorry i felt so bad but I thought I could get you onside emotionally because I knew my logic was flawed, I also knew when Bella posted it would be game over for me so it was either push you onto kawaii or onto me and it had to happen asap.

It turns out if I’d not gone so hard and waited for Bella to come back, she’d have backed my claim that KK was faking it because there was no other fn evidence.

But even if we’d done that, python would have been a better lim choice and I’d have had to gamble with who KK would fn that night…get it wrong and I’d be confScum to two people in 3p elo. Get it right though, and wow…that would have been an amazing way to win it ha!

Gg everyone I really just wanted to be town again with patch bella and omi tbh </3

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I actually did it 3 times @python lol

Read the first letter of each sentence…

I doubt he’s going to respond. Maybe to swear at us again lol.

So are we happy with me JKing patch? Cos I’m also thinking at least this way I won’t block a FN. Unless the wifom potential for the no kill is too confusing? Maybe I shouldn’t have claimed it beforehand but I think it’s best to know patch is clear if I do die…

I have no idea why pod would lie about his result. Maybe he just hated me.

So I jailed patch like promised. Confirms him as town. Unbelievable, right? Must therefore be 2 of {bella, KK, UP}.

I wish we could have rode into the sunset together. Many years from now, we’d have looked back on this game and said how unbelievable it was that we navigated the lies of a town pr faking a result.

Scum must have been salivating when they saw the fake result from pod. Can you believe how happy they must have been when they saw it?? Unless you can see it in your heart to see my truth, we’re guaranteed the loss here. My bro, I leave it in your hands <3

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Ugh goddamn it.

Very well played.

Your tunnel Dayy 1 was incredibly ego-driven and damaging for town, try to tone it down in the future.

Disagree with this, you were tunnelling on me pretty hard and just because I was scum and patch was town doesn’t make the play made by either of you any different /shrug

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I think the thing that worked in my favour was the fact that I claimed jk was more valuable than tracker (this convinced KK)

Not sure how KK thought I was still town d3 though lol

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Also I feel kinda bad on pod that he played the night action so well but then still got limmed and asked to be replaced

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But the worst I feel was manipulating patch :’(

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Ugh goddamn it.

Very well played.

Your tunnel Dayy 1 was incredibly ego-driven and damaging for town, try to tone it down in the future.

Disagree with this, you were tunnelling on me pretty hard and just because I was scum and patch was town doesn’t make the play made by either of you any different /shrug

"having a correct scumread is damaging to the game". Okay. That's a wild one.

Again, though, I fairly recognized that I was failing to connect with the other players in the game on a social level and so it did no benefit to me or the other players for me to remain in the game. So tryin to claim I damaged the game with that is really fucking insulting?

My guy I’m not saying you were damaging the game.

I’m saying I don’t think delta needs to be blamed for tunnelling on someone he scumread

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I mean I totally see why both you and delta were not happy about the lack of engagements with either of your scumcases. I just had no reason to help you guys out (you especially cat!)

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It’s a shame it had a negative effect on your enjoyment though, I wouldn’t have wanted that, but I had to keep deflecting from all of your accusations (similar to what I had to do with pod)

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I mean again, I asked numerous times for critique on my Patch case and nothing was compelling enough to shift me off of it. It's a game of persuasion as much as it is one of deception, and neither of us were persuasive enough to force a lim on our read. Frankly I think the fact that you're trying to blame me when you did the exact same is the 'insulting' bit, Catboi, and it detracts from the pretty great job AV, Dion(pre-replacement) and Python did.

Yeah you definitely did try (repeatedly) to get other people to comment on your patch read, asking them to defend patch or support the case. We wanted to keep it bubbling away but also wanted to keep it there for the d2 push, which is why I kept circling back to cat/omi instead of getting behind patch

Also at one point there was a full town wagon on pod with another townie ready to hammer it. I really wish that had gone through lol

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Patch you are my spirit animal, even when I’m scum you make me want to be town <3

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But also the good stuff is that it was true that I had zero reason to do that as scum (this is why we are spirit animals) which let python build their theory up that it was all theatre

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Oh yeah python legit has the power of a mechanics mastermind, and a proper logic lord

I thought I was a mechanics guy but daaaaaamn

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<3 patch my G

And python you were the perfect meticulous foil to my zany stream of consciousness emotive madness when it came to it.

I still don’t know how I pulled that pod lim off lol