Newbie 2122: DRAGONS! | Game Over

[Black]

One scum down. Who is Happy's partner?

[Black]

nah, I'm town
but that just spoils the surprise, doesn't it?
I actually tried this game, never again

How did you try this game compared to other games?

[Black]

Don't tell us your role. Why are you crying?

[Black]

hmmm. I can't tell if this is genuine

[Black]

Would you really be crying IRL over this? I don't want to call you a liar, but that seems like an extreme

[Black]

When i flip you guys... you guys are gonna be very sorry.

You keep going from being uncertain to certain about this. It doesn't feel real

[Black]

The dayvig isn't a thing, happy. Not in Newbie games. I lied to read your reaction, and if you legit cried then I'm sorry for causing you distress

[Black]

I don't think we should vote happy out today

[Black]

I understand your concern but I saw an opportunity to get an honest read out of you and I took it. Aureal just laid the foundation

[Black]

kinda, but now I'm more concerned of you and black being a scumteam and staging this whole thing
the counterargument is that you wouldn't do that as scum

You would also have to assume Shea and I staged getting upset with each other. It's not impossible, but do you really think it's likely?

[Black]

Sure, though I suspect you won't change your mind on me no matter how I present my thoughts.

This isn't true. In this game I think it is your responsibility (if you are town) to do and say things that townies typically do. This involves solving, interacting with players, showing your work so we know you're thinking about the game from a townie perspective, and just being here and available. I would say you've done the bare minimum in regards to all of these things. Do you understand why that makes me question your alignment?

I'm not sure if it's going to be another 24 hours until you post but I would like to know your thoughts on your own meta. Are you often a low contributor as town? Do you play this way as scum?

I think I need to look over some of your old games today. I'm liking this most recent post enough to give me doubts here

[Black]

@Aureal, do you think we should lim happy today?

[Black]

What could Happy's plan possibly be, from your perspective? Either they were genuinely confused, or they were pretending to be upset for... no reason?

Pretending to be upset and confused is something scum would do here to seem townie. That's why I was having a hard time determining if happy's reaction was genuine or not

[Black]

Talking about my own thoughts is WIFOM territory but here you go

I agree but it still helps me even though I know it could just be scum telling me what I want to hear

If it makes you feel any better I think your posts today give me some town feels

[Black]

please, don't be so naive to believe in iavh's fake fake meltdown

I'm not going to think he's more town in regards to it, just don't want a player to actually have a bad time playing a game.

So your opinion of happy's alignment didn't change at all after this?

[Black]

No it hasn't. I could easily see happy believe the whole daykill thing was was real as scum or town. I have wondered why if he's scum his partner didn't tell him to just state he was town, but from the look of the time sigs on the posts there may not have been time to communicate.

Hmm. Ok

Can you talk to me about your jz read?

[Black]

aureal: big contrast from shea, is a bully

oof

[Black]

Aureal, I'm starting to get a little wary of how you're engaging with the game

[Black]

Consider happy's feud with Leek. He started pushing back at Leek, wanting more explanation about reads on people including Mew, a possible defensive reaction to a partner being suspected. Then you tried to start a wagon on Mew and happy promptly moved his RVS Mew vote to Leek. It feels like potential partner movement.

I can kinda see it. Happy has had Mew in null for most of the game. I don't think I put too much stock in him switching his vote to Leek after I voted Mew, though

Are you not feeling any better about Mew since his posts this morning?

[Black]

It kinda feels like you replaced in, immediately townread me, then ignored basically everything else and tunneled in on happy. You refused to give reads at first in fear of Mafia knowing too much but just now you said everyone seems townie except Mew/Happy, so what were you trying to hide?

Something just feels off

[Black]

Oh, forgot to mention, I did look into Mew's meta and he does seem in line with it for the most part. Just posting once a day is normal for him.

So that plus his posting this morning changed nothing for you?

[Black]

I'm hiding that I don't actually have infinite time and energy.

That's fair. I think I would have preferred you saying you're busy instead of pretending to have reads though

Unless you have better ideas?

Do your thing. I just wanted to be honest about how I'm feeling about you. Fwiw I think this post helps a bit

[Black]

I would like to know where you feel we should be looking, though. You don't think we should flip happy today, okay, can you expand on that? You mentioned his meta before. Is that still why you're hesitant?

I think the happy slot will sort itself out. There was something about his daykill reaction that makes me think we're probably safe dealing with him down the road

I think I'd rather go jz or patch today. Maybe Mew, but I'm less confident there now

What are your thoughts on patch?

[Black]

I just realized jz hasn't posted since Tuesday. I think a prod might be in order

[Black]

Are you suspecting scum activity in the calls for you to be more active? If so, who stands out?

jz for sure.

Please tell me we're getting more than 3 words from you today

[Black]

I can't say I really understand the purpose, in this context. It's one thing to fake confusion over accusations made against you, but you and Aureal were joking around about an instant-kill mechanic that doesn't exist, and everyone besides (presumably) Happy knew you were joking. If Happy did know you were joking, then what's the point of faking confusion there? It would be a weird thing to fixate on, especially when the messages weren't accompanied by votes.

I think a good scum player can fake the type of reaction we saw with happy. He was saying things like "should I reveal my role?" and "you guys will be sorry when I flip" or something along those lines. If happy

is

scum here, the sole purpose of these comments (and faking the reaction in general) would be to make everyone think twice about limming him. It's meant to be perceived as genuine frustration and alignment indicative. I'm just not sure if happy is capable of pulling this off

[Black]

As unimpressed as I am with Mew, I think I would rather go patch today. Something doesn't feel right about patch this game and I'm willing to go with my gut here

VOTE: patchwork

That's e-1. Please announce intent to hammer to patches can claim

[Black]

As unimpressed as I am with Mew, I think I would rather go patch today. Something doesn't feel right about patch this game and I'm willing to go with my gut here

VOTE: patchwork

That's e-1. Please announce intent to hammer to patches can claim

Honestly Black, I'm really not feeling patch scum here. I have very little time to dig into things right now but I did skim some patch and Mint stuff while having lunch and it made me feel more suspicious of Mint but not patch. I've really got to focus on work today rather than pop in so that's all I've got right now but I'll try to elaborate more later.

hmmm

[Black]

I'm willing to hear you out but we're not doing Mint today

[Black]

I wrote a good 70% of that in the past two hours, I'm drained as hell lmao. I'll get to responding to mint later i don't really gaf about defending myself right now, especially not when I've got stuff to do. Time to catch up

What are your thoughts on Aureal?

[Black]

I wrote a good 70% of that in the past two hours, I'm drained as hell lmao. I'll get to responding to mint later i don't really gaf about defending myself right now, especially not when I've got stuff to do. Time to catch up

What are your thoughts on Aureal?

i haven't thought much about her in all honesty, and i've mostly glazed over on her play tbh. i'm going to be honest, i have no fucking clue. the only thing i remember about her is her meta'ing me and the happy tunnel

What do you think about her stance on happy?

[Black]

What's this post? "Something doesn't feel right" is not enough justification for putting someone at e-1

Sure it is. I'm trusting my gut here. Patch's solving feels a little inauthentic, like scum that needs to find suspicion in other players but is having a hard time doing so. The vote is some meta, some gut, and some PoE. I don't want to lim happy today and I'm willing to give Mew some room to breathe

[Black]

Same with @Black. I'm not limming patch today, unless you really are able to convince me.

I'm not here to convince you really. It's hard to do that on gut feels and PoE. If you want to towncase patch I'm willing to listen though

[Black]

I like patchwork's analysis on Merlyn. I disagree with it, but it makes me not want to push patch further today.

Can you elaborate here? What do you disagree with exactly?

[Black]

I don't allow to lim patch today. Basically what I'm saying. Either they're honest or they're good scum, but even a good scum can't keep up with this level of thought in the long run.

This flurry of defensive posts regarding patch is a little alarming. I'm not sure what your plan is to not "allow" this lim to go through but like I said, if you want to show me why patch is town, I'm listening

[Black]

Ok, suit yourself

[Black]

jz hasn't posted since Tuesday and is more than likely going to be replaced

[Black]

I'm just wondering what the strategic point would be as scum

If patch is scum, they need to push something here. They dropped a scumread on you awhile ago and have been alluding to an ISO case on you ever since. I think this would just be that promise coming to fruition

[Black]

I'm just wondering what the strategic point would be as scum

If patch is scum, they need to push something here. They dropped a scumread on you awhile ago and have been alluding to an ISO case on you ever since. I think this would just be that promise coming to fruition

Yeah, they did promise a case. But wouldn't a smarter push right now be a competing wagon?

I think patch pushing happy would come across as opportunistic. They stated in their reads that they're not sure what to make of happy, and they didn't include happy in their lim pool. Pushing him now would seem pretty scummy imo

[Black]

opportunistic is also leek's vote on me, after aureal voted me
based opinion tho

Yeah, I'm not sure why Leek is so adamant about not limming patch. Last I checked he had patch in the middle of his list so it doesn't really make sense to me to refuse to lim there today, especially considering a patch flip gives us more info than happy/Mew. I have a theory why Leek might feel this way but I'm not so sure about it

[Black]

Elaborate on this theory, Black, please.

Nah, I'm keeping it close to my chest for now. I want to see how things play out

[Black]

I thought I'm quite transparent with reasons why I don't want to lim patch.

Do you townread patch?

[Black]

I thought I'm quite transparent with reasons why I don't want to lim patch.

Do you townread patch?

Nope. Having my doubts. But more doubts regarding Happy and Mew. Especially Happy now, looking at his recent activity.

Do you disagree that a patch flip would give more information than both a happy and Mew flip? I understand being more confident in those two slots flipping red, but if you don't TR patch, I'm confused why you aren't even remotely considering their lim today. Like I can see being against it, but taking it off the table completely? That's what I don't get

[Black]

1. Do we get more information from a flipped patch or an alive patch, from whom we'll expect certain level of activity, like his analysis on Merlyn? I chose the second option.

Patch is a they. But I think we get info either way, and I think there's a good chance they are scum so I'd rather get my information that way atm

2. What would patch flipping green or red tell you right now? I don't ask you to make a huge analysis, because I don't like to make people do work that might be obvious to them. I'd like you to share your free thoughts.

I've got lots of thoughts in my head about who might be scum/town depending on what patch flips. I don't want to put all my cards on the table, but I'll give you a couple teasers. I think if patch flips red then there's a good chance Aureal/Mew/(mystery guess, will reveal later) are their buddy. Patch feels a little reserved this game and I get the sense that if they are scum, they are being coached up a little in the scum PT. I can see Aureal/Mew being very active there considering their SE status, and that could also be an explanation for their minimal/sporadic activity.

Since I'm talking about this now I want to point out this really weird stance by patch that makes me think Aureal could be their buddy:

personally, out of all the people i’d prefer to lim today, it’d probably be between (mew, merlyn, shea)

. notice that happy isn’t there.
one: mew. mew has done literally fucking nothing this entire game. i would say i think that is actively antitown if they are not scum, and i want to see more from them. a lim on them or a series of pressure votes would do good.
two: merlyn. i talk about this a bit above.

three: shea. shea is currently a player i feel is more towny than scummy, but i include shea because i think their flip could provide information on alignment and pairings between players. i don’t actually think a lim on shea would go through and i don’t really want to lim shea, but i think if my scumreads don’t go through i’d be okay with a lim on shea because at that point i have no clue who else’s flip would be good.

There is something off here about patch including Shea/Aureal in their lim pool even though they townread them. This feels like distancing to me.

Patch also seems really concerned about people scumreading Aureal but they have admitted themselves that they don't know what to think about Aureal

that's great happy, why do you scumread aureal though? just because they did the daykill reaction test, or?

that's great happy, why do you scumread aureal though? just because they did the daykill reaction test, or?

that, and some scumminess from shea

what's the "scumminess"?

And then there's this exchange that I feel like could easily be theatre:

Mint is a town slot. We all know it.
Wanting obvtown out, -1.

What a lousy assumption. Saying "hey I'm starting to notice some things that rub me the wrong way" isn't anywhere near wanting to flip them.

I wrote a good 70% of that in the past two hours, I'm drained as hell lmao. I'll get to responding to mint later i don't really gaf about defending myself right now, especially not when I've got stuff to do. Time to catch up

Thanks for the effort, patch. I'm impressed, there's some interesting analysis there. I've been thinking I should look more closely at Merlyn too since I promptly forget what she's actually done after trying to look at stuff, but just haven't had the time and energy.

Thanks for the effort, patch. I'm impressed, there's some interesting analysis there. I've been thinking I should look more closely at Merlyn too since I promptly forget what she's actually done after trying to look at stuff, but just haven't had the time and energy.

if you look at merlyn ill look at happy?

Why is patch so willing to work with Aureal when it seems like a pretty neutral read to them based on their own thoughts on her? This felt off

There's also some weird stuff with patches/Shea but I want to look more into that. I've been thinking about this a lot and I have other patch associations, but Aureal seems the most likely here

If patch flips scum, I think it's safe to say the Jz slot is pretty much town. I really don't think they push patch for the entirety of D1. Possible, but I'd be willing to throw Jz in the town bin here

This is just some of the information we gather from a patch flip

[Black]

Thank you, it's a great post, made me think a lot. Hmm. Do you scumread a bit Aureal or Mew independenly too, or mostly due to possible association with patchwork?

Also, you elaborated what would patch flipping red mean. Do we get some info from patch flipping green too or not much?

I've been skeptical of Shea's push on me since it happened. I mentioned at the time it didn't feel like he actually scumread me. That could come from stubborn town or informed scum. Aureal replaced in and hasn't done anything super townie either imo. I think as a standalone there's less merit here and I'm still on the fence. If patch flips red the likelihood of Aureal flipping the same goes way up

Mew feels like incredibly lurky town, but could go either way

I need to think more about patch flipping green

[Black]

Busy weekend for me but I'll have time to catch up later today

I did skim a little before forcing myself to get out of bed. Hi Delta!

Also, Leek is scumreading patch now? What? I must have missed that in my skim but what is that about? Two seconds ago patch was completely off the table and there's no way we're limming there according to Leek...

Will check back in later with proper responses

[Black]

UNVOTE:

No hammer before I read

[Black]

Hi patch. I'm about to be swept away for a few hours

I hope you're doing ok

[Black]

Warning: intending to hammer.

Too late buddy

[Black]

@Mew, Mint, Merlyn, Black - same for you with the Patch wagon. 1-liner on why cheers

I don't have a lot of conviction in my read. It's based on gut, a little meta, and PoE. I also think flipping patch gives us a decent amount of information compared to other options like happy and Mew

-Delta questions Leek for not voting a scumread in 1077... I'm assuming this is referring to patch. I didn't really get the vibe that Leek scumread patch. In his reads list he had them close to the middle and then they adamantly refused to even consider limming patches, and actively tried to get everyone to vote between Mew/happy. That doesn't feel like a scumread on patch at all. He's been very on the fence with patch. Leek says twice that patch is either honest town or good scum, and that's why we shouldn't lim them. I don't understand this really. I do understand the thought that talkative scum can't usually maintain this level of contribution though

I don't allow to lim patch today. Basically what I'm saying. Either they're honest or they're good scum, but even a good scum can't keep up with this level of thought in the long run.

How can I be 100% sure about someone's scuminess? I treat eliminations like resources. Especially the first one, when we don't have some ultra pressure for a heroic lim of the possible most active, well playing scum d1. Because you'll agree with me, that if patch is scum, then then he's at least a decent one?

Leek doesn't really correct Delta in 1078 so I guess he does SR patch. That makes his stance on not allowing a patch lim even weirder imo. I like Delta asking Leek why he SR's patch in 1079

black, literally please
like are you kidding me, i am literally actively pushing someone and i have been pushing people early on, it's just that i haven't had the time to actually case someone

My issue isn't that you aren't pushing people, it's that your pushes don't feel real. People accused you of following reads/opinions early and then you came out of no where with a Merlyn SR. It felt reactionary I guess. Idk though. If you are town then I really like this from you. I need to read over your Merlyn case again I think

-I don't really like 1090 by patch. I don't see the pocketing really

-Leek responds to Delta in 1092 and goes over a few reasons why he scumreads patch. This is believable and matches up with some of the stuff he was saying earlier re: patch bringing up their other games. And he puts patch as a slight scumlean here with ig matches his reads list. I can't help but feel like was pressured into declaring a definitive scumread on patch here. He rode the fence until Delta made him take a stance

merlyn.
mint is obvtown, i'm town, happy is a no because i think i need time to think about their slot more (and particularly reread the interactions between you and happy and happy and aureal), aureal is a maybe, mew is a maybe, jz is a maybe

I'm still confused on why you're considering Aureal here? You townread Shea, you said Aureal felt even better, but for some reason you are keeping them in your lim pool for what is it, informational purposes? I can't remember what you said but I didn't understand it when I read it

If we pushed Aureal here would you join?

You have a lot of maybes, patch. It's more difficult for scum to claim someone is scum.

you are asking me who i want to lim? i said maybe on aureal, maybe on mew, maybe on jz. they're undecided. i think they could all be scum excluding aureal.

You don't even think Aureal could be scum and you are open to limming them? Nah, this isn't right. There's no amount of information that would be worth limming someone you're pretty convinced is town. And I don't even believe you think there's that much information to be gained here. What do we gain from an Aureal lim? Please go over this in detail

[Black]

I'm on pg 45, still reading...

[Black]

like, keep in mind you are literally saying "who's your limpool for today" and then list a bunch of players? obviously i'm going to provide my opinion on who i would be okay with limming???

You should

not

be ok limming someone you think is town D1

-I don't really want to comment on the personal attacks on this page


-Delta's vibe is making me feel a little better about Jz. I like 1114 and I've had this exact thought

am keen on understanding the game in full first before committing myself, and I'd additionally appreciate no hammers for like 24 hours or so at least.

I'll be happy to give you the time. I was wondering your thoughts on everyone. No rush to read it all, obviously

-If the solve is just Mint and Merlyn I will seriously die laughing. I TR these two pretty heavy but their interactions on pg 45 (and for most of the game tbh) feels a little like theatre

-Aureal is mad at me... should make this a separate post probably...

[Black]

.........

I feel rather offended that people seem to feel my scum game would suck this badly.

Fail to make any impression on the thread proper with complaints about how busy I am but spend all my effort instead trying to somehow coach patch into not being limbait? I can't even figure out how to make myself not be limbait, how the hell would I imbue patch with this quality?

And what on earth would even make you suspect Mew would do this? I already pointed out that meta seems to indicate low activity is normal there. "SE status" doesn't mean anything in regard to activity level.

I don't necessarily think you're playing bad if you're scum here. Jumping into the thread with a townread on me would be a smart move I think. Focusing on happy would also make sense here considering he's low-hanging fruit and pretty widely scumread. And I think defending patch would be a pretty low-risk move with a decent upside

I think if Mew is scum here then he's purposefully lurking, but that doesn't mean he can't be in the scum PT giving his partner pointers. I have no idea how active he is in PT's as scum, and your meta point doesn't really apply here

Uh, you think a partner is likely to take a "really weird" nonsensical stance that's bound to draw attention to it? That seems like about the opposite of what someone should be saying about their partner.

I think you have to consider the person when trying to think about whether scum would do something or not. I'm not putting it past scum!patch to try to distance in this way

I think those quotes are patch trying to figure out happy as well as me. These are basically the same questions I had for happy that happy just spins around laughing and ignoring when I ask. That is also a part of why I scumread him- it seems like his major solving efforts have all been directed at Leek and my slot. Leek was an easy push for a while with all the heat he got right off the bat and I don't think happy really knows how to pivot off of that when it died out, because his attempts to scumread my slot because "Shea ignored me" makes no sense. When he said that, I went back and looked and saw that Shea actually tried to interact with happy early on, and happy responded to his question with a shitpost. So I brought that interaction back up, thinking Shea actually had good instinct to poke at the Mew/happy interaction there. And was once again blown off constantly.

Yeah, I also am considering this, I just don't really get the vibe that patch is actually trying to solve happy with these questions. I can see it though

Speaking of Mew, why exactly are you wanting to give Mew more time?

I don't even know anymore. We're not getting anything there are we...

[Black]

If you think that level of personal attack is bad, you should never go to pokemon showdown mafia.
Judging by how much time is left, I should make a readlist in case someone kills me

I don't think it's that bad, I just didn't want to comment on it

[Black]

@Mew, Mint, Merlyn, Black - same for you with the Patch wagon. 1-liner on why cheers

patchwork - I feel that there is possible scum here due to what feels like indifference towards major wagons where I feel town would put more care into where their vote is going.

Love the help you are giving us here. Seriously. If you're town, thank you so much...

[Black]

There is something off here about patch including Shea/Aureal in their lim pool even though they townread them. This feels like distancing to me.

I'm not sure if you understood the literal point of putting Aureal in my limpool: while I townread shea (not so much on Aureal, I can never really read Aureal properly), if no other lim goes through, I would be willing to compromise with players like Leek and go for a shea lim. Not because I think Shea is scum, he's more of a leantown, but because I think the information from the flip would be important and help to determine alignment. Like, what if he flips red? Then I'd have to consider that maybe you as his partner. What if he flips green? Then Leek is probably red. Etc.

I already asked for this a couple of posts ago but I want all of your current thoughts on what information we get from an Aureal flip. You don't have to go back and look at things. If you are willing to lim Aureal for the information alone then you should have way more in your head than just me being her partner if she flips red, and Leek being red if she flips green. These are basic thoughts and you can apply these to any flip, not just Aureal's

Also, what do you mean by you townread Shea but "not so much Aureal" ? In your readslist you said this:

aureal does look a bit better than shea atm

[Black]

Delta - I'm not "so sure" about patch. But they were giving some content. It's my approach to the game, that an active person (which isn't trolling) isn't a good target for d1 lim. Reasons I stated before. Alive patch can convince people to their allegiance more confidently. Alive patch would be expected to to keep up with the content. Patch alive for another day could possibly provide more interactions and info on their potential partner.

I am confident with this approach, that's why I wanted to lim happy or Mew instead.

But since patch stopped the quality content and their value alive is getting reduced, I could hammer them now. Also because now I see that I won't be able to build consensus on happy or Mew on d1. It's a social game after all, I can't decide singlehandedly.

I intend to hammer. I guess we're waiting for Delta now.

Warning: intending to hammer.

This is quite the progression from yesterday. Holy moly

[Black]

Leek, I can't help but feel like you're suddenly ok with the patch lim because support for your lim is gathering momentum. This progression doesn't feel genuine. It feels like survivalism

[Black]

Spoiler: Leek does NOT want to lim patches

@patchwork, are you willing to shoot at happy? Please consider this. I recommend it.

Same with @Black. I'm not limming patch today, unless you really are able to convince me.

I like patchwork's analysis on Merlyn. I disagree with it, but it makes me not want to push patch further today.

Mew seems like a better alternate choice today.

I agree and trust Aureal with Merlyn.

So, I'd like to ask everyone in the game to decide if we're going with Happy or Mew today. No more washing out the suspicion range. Decision time.

Happy or Mew? I recommend Happy.

I don't want to consider other candidates today. Hard disagreement. Let's push this game forward.

I don't allow to lim patch today. Basically what I'm saying. Either they're honest or they're good scum, but even a good scum can't keep up with this level of thought in the long run.

jzhenson
patchwork
MintChippo
Merlyn
Aureal

We need 5 to lim. Need to decide on happy or Mew.

Let me know which one you'd rather go with. Let's build a consensus.

I don't allow to lim patch today. Basically what I'm saying. Either they're honest or they're good scum, but even a good scum can't keep up with this level of thought in the long run.

Mint, are you willing to vote for Iavh or Mew today? Or is that a hard no?

Okay. Two things:

1. Do we get more information from a flipped patch or an alive patch, from whom we'll expect certain level of activity, like his analysis on Merlyn? I chose the second option.

2. What would patch flipping green or red tell you right now? I don't ask you to make a huge analysis, because I don't like to make people do work that might be obvious to them. I'd like you to share your free thoughts.

How can I be 100% sure about someone's scuminess? I treat eliminations like resources. Especially the first one, when we don't have some ultra pressure for a heroic lim of the possible most active, well playing scum d1. Because you'll agree with me, that if patch is scum, then then he's at least a decent one?

Welcome Delta.

Also, still to Black:

I consider moving away patch for a day or two since they're providing us with content. If you get that much info from them flipping red in d1 then they'll provide even more content if they're limmed d2?

I don't expect much better or more valuable game from neither Iavh and Mew.

Shea definitely was stubborn. Extremely stubborn.

Also think if you want to postpone patch for more content.

No, I have doubts, but they're providing a lot of content, so I think they're not the best target for d1.

@Delta

As you noticed, happy had a lot of non gameplay related content. Also they did a lot of trolling in previous stages of the game. I don't see any thought progression from them. They're scum hunting doesn't feel deep and dedicated.

It's different with patch. They're making a lot of interactions, a lot of gameplay related content. I'm willing to postpone limming them, to get more of that in order to get more material both for patches' scuminess and their potential partner. Also, I think if patch is indeed scum, it'll be quite difficult for them to keep up with such activity and not look scummy.

That's why I believe the town benefits more from iavh's death as opposed to patch's.

Spoiler: Uhh...I guess he's cool with it?

Delta - I'm not "so sure" about patch. But they were giving some content. It's my approach to the game, that an active person (which isn't trolling) isn't a good target for d1 lim. Reasons I stated before. Alive patch can convince people to their allegiance more confidently. Alive patch would be expected to to keep up with the content. Patch alive for another day could possibly provide more interactions and info on their potential partner.

I am confident with this approach, that's why I wanted to lim happy or Mew instead.

But since patch stopped the quality content and their value alive is getting reduced, I could hammer them now. Also because now I see that I won't be able to build consensus on happy or Mew on d1. It's a social game after all, I can't decide singlehandedly.

I intend to hammer. I guess we're waiting for Delta now.

Warning: intending to hammer.

Oh, sorry. Happened when I read.

I'll vote then.

The only thing that changed between these two spoilers is people started to show support for a Leek lim

I'm going to give Delta time, but I'm suddenly thinking a Leek lim might be better here

[Black]

I just ask you to lim me quickly, because I really want to see the progress of this game.

Ngl, this sounds like something scum would say

[Black]

how is it reactionary? i reread the thread, realized i was giving merlyn too much credit, and reevaluated her as a scumread. and how do my pushes not feel real?

pedit: archeops is cool but defeatist is a horrible ability and i have no idea why gamefreak was so disrespectful towards archeops

I don't really have the energy to go over this in much detail. If you are scum then I think your Merlyn SR is a reactionary read and you trying to come up with something original after everyone accused you of sheeping

(acheops is one of my favs. he was on my Black team when I played through again a few months ago!)

[Black]

Black because they've seen a chance to lim me after Delta's possibly naive wagon change.

What would be the motivation from scum!me here? Shouldn't I just hammer patch in that scenario?

[Black]

If you really are town here then you shouldn't "give up" lmao. You're not even the leading wagon. You have to do better than this

[Black]

-I don't really like 1090 by patch. I don't see the pocketing really

it's the death-defending whiel everyone else is supporting me

Patch why did you ignore literally everything I said about Aureal

[Black]

Yikes.

Can we all maybe just move past this and vote Mew? I'm really confused how nobody really seems to think this is a good slot but somehow nobody is voting there anymore?

Do you think Leek's flip flop on patch is scummy?

[Black]

We can go Mew. I don't think we get any information out of it though

[Black]

VOTE: Mewtaph

[Black]

I think Mew is at e-1

@Mew, I think you should claim

[Black]

GG! Mint I think you played this incredibly well and you definitely have a bright future here if you stick around!

Aureal, as usual, well played. I knew you would pull this one out for us!

Merlyn I'm sorry you didn't really enjoy your time here but fwiw I enjoyed playing with you <3

[Black]

I can't wait to see Mint play as a scum, because those in-depth analyses would be insanely difficult to repeat as a scum.

SAME

GG Leek and thank you for the kind words. I'm sure I'll be seeing you around!

[Black]

oo I wanna read the scum PT

[Black]

Who are you lol

[Black]

Yes! I was jw if maybe you were an alt