Newbie 774 - Spegezzironi: Game Over! TOWN WINS!

[Johoohno]

Vote: Rustythepirate

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@ Lamont_Cranston:

Do you see any risks with having ckool at L-2 on page two in a newbie game?

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The question was aimed at Lamont, however your response is noted.

Lamont?

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@ Lamont_Cranston:

Do you see any risks with having ckool at L-2 on page two in a newbie game?

Now I'm wondering what the relationship might be between Johoolno & Ckool...

FoS:Johoolno

Besides the fact of me being unwilling to put him at L-1? Am I to interpret your being ready to lynch ckool? I'm not ready, far from it actually, to cast any lynching votes. We haven't even heard from everyone.

@ Lailai:

Any comments of what's been said so far?

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@ SensFan:

What's with the change in play style?

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@ SensFan:

What's with the change in play style?

What change?

At the first page of this game you seemed eager to get it on the move from randomness to content, whereas you on this last page has added ICish information only, and no content.

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@ SensFan:

What's with the change in play style?

What change?

At the first page of this game you seemed eager to get it on the move from randomness to content, whereas you on this last page has added ICish information only, and no content.

You've been around more than long enough to not use crap attacks like that. At the time of your question, we had been on this page for about 12 hours.

You seem to be watching the thread (looking at the time stamp you replied both my posts in an amazingly timely manner), but avoid posting content (only said replies and IC-info, and it goes back on page two). It is not the feeling I got from your style on page one.

Also,

Unvote

[Johoohno]

I refresh my list of games probably at least 10 times an hour, for the most part. If there's a new post, I'll read it. If its a question to me, I'll answer - especially an IC-question. Otherwise, a couple of times a day I'll sit down and really hammer out some posts. Yesterday, I was involved in a heated debate in another game, and that took most of my time.

Fair enough. On another topic, what do you think of Lamont_Cranston following you on pretty much everything?

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@ treeshavenotongue & Perpetuum:

Are your votes on each other just left there since the random stage or do you see any reasons for them? (this could also be considered a "I'd appreciate it if I saw more of you in the game-post")

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@ SensFan:

Care to answer my question in post 91?

@ cpe:

Why the rush implied in your quote below

As I still like the idea of a fast-ish lynch, I'm going for Lamont_Cranston out of my two suspects as he already has some votes.

@ Lamont_Cranston:

I too want to know how you came to the conclusion that the two bandwagons have been chasing villagers?

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The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

Was it cpe's vote in post 97 alone that made the bandwagon too easy?

The fact that you are at L-2 and two people that aren't voting for you have named you as their greatest suspects doesn't make you want to defend yourself? If you want more reasons, here you go.

Your vote is the only one I consider serious although I don't really see where you should be suspecting me as being Mafi.

@ Lamon_Cranston:

What in Sotty7's vote makes you doubt the seriousness in it? You can actually comment on cpe's vote on you too while you're at it.

@ Perpetuum:

post 92 hasn't been commented by you yet.

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I'll give Perpetuum some time to answer the prod, and if nothing fabulous comes from him I'll be ready to hammer Lamont_Cranston.

But I'd like have a bit more interaction from Perpetuum this day before Night.

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@ Lamont_Cranston:

Use your time finding scum by doing a re-read! Appealing to emotion won't work, but finding scum and stating your tells might do the job.

(And if you're lynched and flips scum, a final analysis of yours will give us plenty more to go on day 2.)

[Johoohno]

EBWOP: flips town (but an analysis will be handy no matter your alignment)

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@ semioldguy: Welcome, I didn't get the chance to say that last day.

I don't disagree with your vote on L_C, I most likely would've hammered him myself, but I would've liked to get more info on you before you rushed the town into the night.

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@ semioldguy: Welcome, I didn't get the chance to say that last day.

I don't disagree with your vote on L_C, I most likely would've hammered him myself, but I would've liked to get more info on you before you rushed the town into the night.

What info do you think we would have gotten?

We didn't get the chance to ask him any questions and see him in action more than those two posts. I see it as valuable to make yourself accustomed with a players playstyle a bit, it mught help you in understanding statements and interpret them as character or alignment. In my opinion semioldguy made sure we wouldn't get to know him that much before we got into night 1. I see that as possibly scummy.

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@ Rustythepirate:

Why do you think muzzz was killed?

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Since you are voting for me I wanted to see if you are using crap logic or not, but you came to the same conclusion as I on the muzzz case.

Care to explain your vote on me?

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I'll give Perpetuum some time to answer the prod, and if nothing fabulous comes from him I'll be ready to hammer Lamont_Cranston.

But I'd like have a bit more interaction from Perpetuum this day before Night.

Did you ever explain why you were so willing to hammer?

I had my reasons: L_C was the most suspicious one to me, and since the town was pretty much united I felt that it couldn’t be fuelled only by scum, and it happens that towns don't really dare to lynch in the end due to the risk of a mislynch and a no-lynch isn't the play D1, therefore I wanted town to know that I would be willing to hold the hammer. Furthermore my volunteering might have sparked some reactions to interpret (it also did so to some extent, sotty7 got uncertain and unvoted. I find it a bit scummy).

@ Lamont_Cranston:

Use your time finding scum by doing a re-read! Appealing to emotion won't work, but finding scum and stating your tells might do the job.

(And if you're lynched and flips scum, a final analysis of yours will give us plenty more to go on day 2.)

Almost as if you know he is going to flip town. Also why did you feel the need to post the info in brackets? If LC was scum it would be unlikely he would have given us anything of value if he did do an analysis thanks to your heads up.

Is there a reason for you to skip my EBWOP right after the one you quoted?

@ semioldguy: Welcome, I didn't get the chance to say that last day.

I don't disagree with your vote on L_C, I most likely would've hammered him myself, but I would've liked to get more info on you before you rushed the town into the night.

What info do you think we would have gotten?

We didn't get the chance to ask him any questions and see him in action more than those two posts. I see it as valuable to make yourself accustomed with a players playstyle a bit, it mught help you in understanding statements and interpret them as character or alignment. In my opinion semioldguy made sure we wouldn't get to know him that much before we got into night 1. I see that as possibly scummy.

It's either scummy or it's not. What's with this “possibly” stuff? Also you stated back at the top of page 8 that you would hammer LC after a bit of interaction from Perpetuum now semioldguy. He posted his thoughts and hammered, why is that scummy to you now?

Is anyone else agreeing with sotty7 here? I see a definite distinction between my willing to lynch after some more interaction, and semioldguy surfing in and hammering right after his appearance to cut off any further discussion of day 1. As you also see, both in my post 260 (quoted above) and in this post, I was hoping for more info D1 and wasn't prepared to end it just when it happened.

I don't really see a crystal clear scum candidate just now, which kind of tells me that at least one of the scums have to be an experienced player. However I will list what my general feeling of the different players are right now:

ckool:

Feels like newbie, even if he refers to having played before. His playful comments sometimes feel as a cover up to appear more jovial and not to be taken serious.

cpe:

He is basically following others on their choices.

semioldguy:

As I've said now a few times I really didn't like how he hammered D1. Furthermore his appearance D2 has been very reluctant almost. Just posting for the sake of appearance almost. I deem Semioldguy as one of the scummier in this town.

SensFan:

D1 I didn't got any read at all on SensFan, and I still can't tell his alignment. I haven't been in any game but this one and for now I really don't see why L_C held him in so high regard.

Rustythepirate:

I got a really good town feel of Rusty at the start of D1, but as time went by he seemed a bit more scummy. D2 he voted for me early on and then didn't put out a reason for it until asked for it by both me and sotty7. It felt almost as if he wanted to check out if others would join on this (like cpe just followed on SensFn's ckool vote). I wouldn't be very surprised if he was scum.

sotty7:

I liked sotty7 D1 most of the time, she seemed to be following the game closely and made good observations. However, along the day I got this nagging feeling she might be scum just playing with us, plus she unvoted when I volunteered to hammer, even though the town was pretty much united.

My top scum list then is (from most to least): semioldguy, Rusty & sotty7.

I haven't looked for any connections between players yet, but I don't remember any at the top of my head, meaning none blatantly obvious D1.

I would like to see scum lists from everyone. But preferably only the top three or four candidates from each one.

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EBWOP:

SensFan:

D1 I didn't got any read at all on SensFan, and I still can't tell his alignment. I haven't been in any game but this one

with him

and for now I really don't see why L_C held him in so high regard.

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@ Rusty:

He seems to be doing so consistently through out this gaem, putting his vote immediately to put preassure and show where his suspicion lies. As I said before, I don't see his alignment at all, and would seriously want some analysis from him.

You on the other hand have explained your votes or I could follow your reasoning more clearly, but D2 you just hand out a vote without any explanation.

@ everyone:

What about those lists of suspicions? I'd prefer if we got them from everyone. That would lead us to 5 unbiased lists and 2 lists made by scum. That woul give us a bit of information to discuss. And discuss we must if we're to find scum.

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I've been busy. A more substantial post than this will appear during this weekend.

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Johoohno

, what is your opinion of cpe?

He feels like a newbie to me, his eagerness to get to night quickly (as I interpret it in the beginning of D1) was something I also showed in my first game, because I wanted more hard facts to crunch from having had one night. As you saw on my scum list, he is not one of my top three suspects.

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Also: I'm a page and a half back yet, and I don't have the time right now to get up to date with everything. I'm hoping for the coming week to lend me more time for this game, but I'm not certain it will (though after that things should clear up a bit).

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I hate doing this but I must request replacement. I don't have the time at the moment for this game (things looked differently when I started out this game). And my not being able to participate is really detrimental to this game.

@: semioldguy: As I said in my analysis of all players on page 12, I found ckool's humoristical style somewhat disturbing since it kinds of clouds his opinion. I see two reasons for that:
1. either he is like that, trying to bring humour in the game
2. he uses it to seem less of a threat and that gives him mandate to just post to add some witty remark, without actually posting content.
Right now I'm leaning towards the first.

Now, since I'm leaving the game due to workload, I will not put in a vote that then might be used by scum. But if I were to vote now It would probably on semioldguy (though keep in mind that this vote is based on the information in posts before my analysis on page 12, since then I really haven't had the time to take in what's happened.

@ sekinj: Once again I apologize for my abandonment of the game, thanks for modding.

This is my last post!

[Johoohno]

God job town, and thanks for replacing in for me Santos!