Newbie 800 ~ Mafia: The Reality Show (Game Over!)

[Nikanor]

Good evening my fellows. I shall post tomorrow, since I shant finish reading this whole darned thread by to-night.

[Nikanor]

A note to all: I hate page five.
This is going to take longer than I thought...
Luckily, I have Tuesday and Wednesday off, so I will catch up then.

Haiku time!
I hate walls of text.
Page five gives this conclusion:
You're all Mastin alts.

[Nikanor]

I hope someone place that hammer-vote on onion, this will sure give us more information than any so called post analysis.

Hoping for a hammer when there is still almost a week left on the clock is a scum move, sideney.

Vote: sideney

[Nikanor]

and i vote onion because he seems more near to a lynch this day.

So you're just bandwagonning, then. Going with the flow, as it were. This is usually a scumtell.
If we lynch Onion today and he flips scum, I suggest we keep a VERY close eye on sideney. His pairing of ric and onion is fishy, he may be trying to sew a day two mislynch by bussing his partner (who is probably going to be lynched anyway) and pairing him with a townie, so that the townie gets lynched day two.

[Nikanor]

Onion is lynched and turns up scum. Therefore this D2 lynch is a reasonable arguement.

Just skimming through, and this stood out. Why are you discounting the possibility that Onion is being bussed?

You are flying high with your imagination. Or maybe you are the one that is distancing from onion, even if that is a remote possibility because you aren't on scum-radar of anyone before this post.

How do you interpret this as distancing from Onion? If anything, it could be considered distancing myself from you, and defending Onion against you, an accuser. I have no idea what to make of this....

[Nikanor]

his statement in 165 indicates that Sideney will be less suspicious if i flip town, which does not seem correct.

It's not. That's not what I said. I said that Sideney should fall under more suspicion if you flip scum. I did not give any indication as to who would be suspicious should you flip town.

[Nikanor]

And don't worry people, only lurking because I want to save page five in all it's glory for a new day. That day is tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

I've decided not to read page five. It's just too long, and I feel I won't be missing out on a lot, since one post from me pointing out sideney's scumminess somehow managed to get two other people to look into his play so far and even vote for him.
I'll just be making simple posts, pointing out one or two things per post, since I am really not a fan of walls.
Anyway, back to the topic:
@Raskol: I have something to add to Echo's analysis against you. In post 178, you said that Onion has hurt town more than Sideney has. How exactly is this the case? Onion has been posting often, usually with analsis. Sideney, on the other hand, has been doing some hardcore lurking, popping in now and then to make a scummy comment. How in the world do you think Onion has been more harmful to this town than sideney has?

[Nikanor]

I understand if you're tired right now and aren't feeling up to it, but I really hope you'll reconsider and read it at some point.

I'll probably read it during the night phase, given work and rl doesn't get in the way...

[Nikanor]

The deadline is 7:00pm mountain time, which puts it in the middle of my celebrations. how cruel of our mod. missing just me, won't be too worrisome but if other people will be missing too there might be a reason to be worried.

Vote before you leave, then? And I don't know what could possibly be happening on the fourth that would cause you to be away...

[Nikanor]

Yeah, I'm going to go cooking now, I'll look at the Haylen-Raskol argument when I get back.
Oh, and I still support a sideney lynch 100%.
Clarification shall have to wait; je suis tres faim.

[Nikanor]

I'm townie. Analyze this for me.

Fine. I'll analyze it: you're scum claiming at L-3. Claiming town does not answer Echo's post. You are dodging the question. That analyzed enough for you?

Just to give some perspective: Haylen has posted 26 times on mafiascum since her last post in this thread.

Lurking. Scum. Lynch her. Today.

You want to miss out on Haylen's wonderful long-awaited post by lynching her before she can post it?
And what's up with the argument via repetition?

wait what? youve lost it 5 times? what do you mean 'lost it'?
please write it out on a text file and then save the text file. this increases my suspicion of you

Stupidity is not a scumtell.

Except she DOES have that much time to devote to mafia. Only for some reason, oddly enough, she's not spending any of it in this game.

Gasp. A person wants to spend more time posting in a thread in which the deadline is that day! OMG SCUMTELL 2 DA MAAAXXXXXX.
Tell me, did you even read the threads in which Haylen posted? More than three quarters of the posts you linked to were of a game in which she was at L-1 on the day of the deadline. You blame her for posting in that situation over this one?

Blah Blah Blah.

I agree with most of this (see below).

And if you've completely ignored this game, you're in no position to be making long analysis posts

Trying to discourage long analysis posts? I've been completely ignoring this game for a while. Do you think this post should be completely disregarded because I've been ignoring the thread?

Oh, and I'm still voting for sideney, just because I think lurkers need to die on day one.

---

Any

responsible

townie would RTFT before making cases against people, forming trust lists, etc...which you did just now.

Underlined phrases in the above quote are contrary to Nikanor's personality.

---I have an Independence Day surprise for you.

You never said ANYTHING about Canada Day! Discrimination! D8<

*insert stereotypical-American ignorance-fueled statement about The United States of Canadia here* ~Vi

[Nikanor]

If you want to kill lurker i think that Haylen is the best choice for day one, i give you plenty of post to make you think that i'm scum, surely i'm not lurking.

Yes, you are lurking. And lurkers die. Haylen is not the better choice, because she is not lurking. She is making analysis. You are posting one-liners. Do you see the difference between you two?
I'll make you a deal:
If you can make an analysis post with at least five hundred words in it (that's one page in Word) by Monday (the deadline), I'll love you forever, and might even remove my vote.
Otherwise, I will try to get you lynched every opportunity I have.
Your choice. Post or perish, to quote someone else.

[Nikanor]

Do you really think you can just walk in and expect people to care what you have to say if you haven't bothered to find out what you're talking about?

Never said I didn't find out what I was talking about. I only said that I had been ignoring the thread for a couple days, not that I hadn't read it.

1. I said today, not now. Way to misrepresent.

Sorry, I read 'today' as a real-life day.

Read my wiki, it explains.

I read it.
I then spellchecked it.
Hope you don't mind. ^_^

I don't think "spell-check" is a precise description of what you did... ~Vi

[Nikanor]

I don't think "spell-check" is a precise description of what you did... ~Vi

Well, I added two things....
Haylen can always revert if she doesn't like it.

[Nikanor]

I don't think "spell-check" is a precise description of what you did... ~Vi

'Edit', then.

[Nikanor]

EBWOP: I'm not saying 'edit me' in a snarky way.
Editing is probably a more precise description of what I did.

[Nikanor]

We are going to a no-lynch day?

You wish.
We are not going to a no-lynch, not if I can help it.
I'll votehop to someone else on Monday if it is apparent the sideney lynch is going nowhere.

[Nikanor]

So sideney's at L-1 now? Only need one more vote to lynch.
Ready to claim, sideney?

[Nikanor]

youre not going to claim? why wouldnt you claim? i dont understand this. but yes, you do seem super suspicious. pretty. fucking. suspicious.

I assume he doesn't want to lie by saying he's town. That's the only reason I can think of that someone would not roleclaim when put at L-1 on the deadline.

And the cute nikanor want a role claim!

Of COURSE I want a role claim! You're at L-1 with only hours to go in the day.

[Nikanor]

I'll votehop to someone else on Monday if it is apparent the sideney lynch is going nowhere.

can you talk to us a little about why this is the case for you? what scenarios do you look forward to with an execution elsewhere?

A) I don't want a no-lynch on day one. That would be very, very bad.
B) I do not look forward to a world in which sideney is allowed to live to day two.

[Nikanor]

Somebody needs to hammer.

[Nikanor]

This said Echo can come and kick my Townie ass.

Why Echo in particular? Some last-minute buddying, perhaps?

[Nikanor]

i think that i nice pair can be Lynch - Nikanor.

Why do you believe Lynch and I are scum?

[Nikanor]

Echo, Anticollie, Lynch, Raskol
If any of these people post without hammering, they are scum. Only scum would have reason not to hammer someone at this point.

[Nikanor]

Could be a hint at his scumpartner to bus him. It also sounds like very slight emotional appeal there.

Err, that's what I meant, sorry. Just trying to get as much posts in as possible before leaving for work, as I won't be home before the deadline.

[Nikanor]

I'm here. But I still haven't got a claim out of him.

He has posted twice now without claiming. I doubt he plans on claiming.

[Nikanor]

However i have claimed my role at least in two posts.

You should bold your claims so that people can see them clearly.

[Nikanor]

That's not true - even if I were awake at 2 in the morning, I would have been hoping against all hope that Anticollie would come back 3 hours before the deadline and make his long awaited post.

Yeah, time zones screw me up, too. I was under the impression the day was going to end really soon when I posted that. >_x

[Nikanor]

at the same time i dont want to be JUST defending onion

for the record as of right now my top 3 suspicious list
1 onion (by far for stated reasons)

Vote: ric

for fencesitting, and defending the person who is number one on your suspicions list. By defending someone who you say is most suspicious it seems to me you are trying to defend a scumpartner while being able to say, 'see? He was on my scumlist the whole time' if he is lynched and flips scum.

looking at the end game i find myself a little suspicious of nikanor for being super lynch hungry in a touchy situation and then starting to pre-paint others as being suspicious merely because they werent voting or were voting for SOMEONE ELSE.

Yeah, I was lynch-hungry because I thought day was going to end within hours. My mistake.
But that said, if the day is going to end within an hour, any person who wasn't willing to change their vote to avoid a no-lynch deserves a little suspicion at least.

[Nikanor]

A townie who's got some degree of sanity wouldn't roleclaim either, right?

I don't see any reason why a Townie wouldn't claim when he's about to be lynched. Am I just missing something?

That sounds kinda like an excuse to be not around during the deadline in case anything unexpected happened.

I hate not being around for the deadline.
If a bandwagon starts on me because of someone's case against me, and I'm not there to defend myself, not being around is a bad thing.
If someone says something that is ridiculously scummy, and for whatever reason nobody else picks up on it, my not being there to point it out is a bad thing.
Also: I realise that the time at which that post was made was probably the middle of the night for you, but it was 8:00am my time. So having to go to work for the day isn't that far-fetched when you think about it.

Can someone link me to the post which made both Nikanor and Lynch think the deadline was early? I can't find the post that implies this :/

I think the post where I say that any of the four people not voting are scum if they post without voting is where Lynch is getting his implication.

@ric: I haven't forgotten your requested analysis. I'm going to start working on it now, hopefully finishing it by tonight.

[Nikanor]

I'm afraid of saying something scummy

Only scum should be afraid of saying something scummy.

I'm afraid that by fingering innocents all the time

people will catch on to me.

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It's a scumslip!
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Vote: Echo

[Nikanor]

Nikanor's vote in 366 does not count, as he did not unvote...

Right.

Unvote
Vote:Echo

[Nikanor]

I'm asking for opinions on why lurker lynching is bad, since it is very natural for mafia to not want to post.

Yeah, I realised that it was a hypothetical example after I wrote it. I decided to wait for you to respond to it before retracting my vote though, just to get a reaction, so that my foolishness wasn't TOTALLY useless. Your reaction was town enough to warrant an

Unvote

.

Lurker lynches are bad because it entails lynching someone who we cannot get get a read on, and it provides little information to the town because the lurker in question has not interacted with the town to a great extent.
On the other hand, lurker lynches are good because it's nearly impossible to get a read on them, and it's better to get rid of them before we're stuck with a lurker at lylo.
Also note that a person who lurks by playstyle is different from a person who just lurks in one or two games. A person who lurks by playstyle is more likely to be town, just because a majority of the roles handed out are town, and a bad player is just as likely to get a town role as a good player. A person who lurks in a couple games is more likely to be scum because, as you said, it is very natural for mafia to not want to post.

[Nikanor]

in the form of spreadsheets. I would show them at the end of the game, but I don't now how to and i tend to be the only one who understands them anyway

Don't show off your notes. Ever. Even if the game is over. It pretty much shows everyone exactly how you think, which is definitely too much meta to be giving out to people who could be manipulative scum in your next game.
Just sayin'. C=

[Nikanor]

I really hope you're aware how ridiculous that sounds. But I think I understand what you're getting at. You're saying he talks a lot so he isn't accused of lurking and wont be assumed as scummy because he's participating in the game, correct? If that's the case, please word it like that, it's important in these games that you aren't vague and you explain yourself well otherwise it just sounds bad.

>_<
This looks soooo scummy.
NEVER do this!
If you can't understand what someone says, ask them to clarify the statement for themselves.
You should NEVER clarify for another person; it is akin to answering questions for another person and it can get you lynched in a normal game.

@ric: Sorry that post is taking so long,
<--Slow reader.

[Nikanor]

I see how that sounds now. Going overboard with helping, arent i?

Yes, a little bit.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor? I have a question. Are you finding it difficult to keep up with 5 games at once? Just saying cause if you are and can't post sometimes because of this, there's no shame in admitting it. Well completely understand. Most people manage 3 at the most, i can do 4 at a push. It's quite common for newbies to do that before knowing their limit. Please dom't think I'm dragging myself into your business, i'm just expressing my concern.

Not at all. The reason why I'm posting mostly one-liners in my other games is because I'm trying to read through this one and form an analysis on four different people. :/
And, as mentioned, I'm a slow reader, because I have to think about things as I read them so that I remember them.

[Nikanor]

Just don't overdo things, k?

So motherly.

[Nikanor]

Is it just me, or were the last few posts blatantly buddying-like?

I thought it was just friendly chit-chat. Although it could be interpreted as buddying as well, I suppose.

[Nikanor]

I don't think my advice is bad, it has been what others have given me and what I have learnt myself. I was practising before I become an IC, but now I've been told my advice I bad, I've decided I will make an aweful IC and should stick to just ordinary playing. This is going to be my last newbie game, guys.

Erm, first of all, advice IS subjective, and a great number of people believe that lurker lynches are bad, so I don't see how Raskol can reasonably call your advice 'terrible'.
Second of all, finishing five games on this site does not make you an expert. You may be an IC after completing five games, but that doesn't mean you already know everything that could possibly be learned in this game. Most ICs are still learning about the game, so you shouldn't quit just because you haven't learned everything yet.
Those things said, your post was pretty much just a big ol' appeal to emotion.

@Everyone: I apologize for my lack of activity. My motivation levels for everything go down when the temperature goes up, and we've had some thirty-five degree weather up here for the last week. It's supposed to be cooler this week, though, so I'll be able to get some heavy posting done.

[Nikanor]

Good to see you again, Erik! Looking forward to your insight.

[Nikanor]

Ack! I got prodded!
I'm going to contribute tonight, I promise.

[Nikanor]

Primary fos at the moment goes to Nikanor, for inconsistency and what I think to be inputting on irrelevant issues, and avoiding the main game.

What inconsistency? Provide post numbers please.

[Nikanor]

Sorry, I'm going to be V/LA for the weekend.
I'll be back on Sunday to see if I can't get something intelligent posted.

[Nikanor]

i'm still looking for a good case against Ric. i tried to build one myself but i feel sort of conflicted about it so i'd prefer one from a 3rd party.

What the... third party? o.O If you want me to provide an opinion, does that mean you consider me not of the same group as you and Erik?

the only person that was working on him was Nikanor i think but he doesn't want to help me it doesn't look.

Yeah, something inside of me just wanted to poke my eyes out every time I went to reread ric's posts. No offense meant to him, I just can't force myself to go through his posts.
@onion: Stop trying to get others to post cases for you and post your own!

ric/Erik still remains top on my scumlist due to his incessant buddying of onion; onion is not far behind as a result of his reciprocation of said buddying.
I'm really looking forward to what Erik has to say on the current situation. Until then,

Vote: Erik

[Nikanor]

Welcome Cain!

[Nikanor]

I know people just want to get things moving but Onion seems to be pushing real hard, maybe he wants the day shift over so he can do some night actions, im probably just being stupid and noobish but im willing to risk it.

Scum aren't the only ones who can use night actions.
Stop rolefishing.

[Nikanor]

If anyone has a a good case against someone else they better bring it out quick, otherwise.....

*Ahem* Haylen, you planning on posting that Lynch analysis today?

[Nikanor]

Vote: onion

To put him at L-1. Time for a claim?

[Nikanor]

Erm,

Unvote, Vote: onion.

[Nikanor]

Haylen, your Inconsistencies of Lynch post is ready, right? I don't care if it's unpolished or whatever, just post what you have and EBWOP tomorrow if you're still alive.

[Nikanor]

And just putting this out there: MS.net automatically logs you off if you go inactive for about thirty minutes. So your excuse about leaving the computer on does not hold.

[Nikanor]

Haylen. Please post your Lynch case before nightfall. If you were lying and stalling when you said it was next to ready, then say so. Don't just ignore me.

[Nikanor]

Ugh, okay. I can't really blame you, since I've done the same thing, but still.... Ugh.

[Nikanor]

Bah!
The game ended when I was V/LA! Not fair at all!

Nikanor, you played really well!

Thank you! Your play was less than spectacular, but I was almost 100% convinced you were town. I would have liked to play in day three, but oh well. :/
I look forward to playing with you all soon!

[Nikanor]

This is why scum have such a high win rate in Newbie games. >_<

[Nikanor]

Where is this title thread place you speak of?

[Nikanor]

nvm, found it with two seconds of looking...