Newbie 870 - Game Over

[Shrinehme]

Not shocking. I've played two games with Brothernature before, and he dropped out of both of them.

I've started to read the thread, but I'd like to for everyone to restate whom they're voting for, why they're voting for that person, and how strongly they feel that whom they're voting for is scum [compared to other players].

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Haldo, all. Even though it's traditional to start with the whole random vote thing, I really despise it. Here are some questions for you all to mull over - I'll give my responses after everyone else has.

Why did you think the town was better off with this method, moreso than the RVS?

Do you actually expect us to answer those questions? Wouldn't that be a tad revealing?

I guess questions 1, 2, and 7 could be. Why were you concerned about it being "revealing", Ace?

Answered them, although I think it goes against the story of the townsfolk. Seems quite scummy if you ask me, despite your seemingly logical answer.

Vote: Netopalis

I don't get it. What did you mean by "story of the townsfolk". And what seems scummy? The questions in general, or a specific question?

random vote kirby_is_kyaan

Why do you want to tell everyone that it's a random vote?! Scum won't jump if they know that your vote doesn't have any real, erm, pressure behind it.

Okey, for Q.7: I'd suspect the loud player. They're covering up for something. Now the real question is: how many roles were given?

First you say that the person who asked the question in the first place is scummy [enough to merit a vote!], then you turn around and answer it?

Also, why didn't you answer the questions that Netopolis asked you about your vote?

vote: bv310

Also, what do you mean by "how many roles were given"?

hey guys, im so pissed off that theres two mafiosi in our presence, seriously get a life and stop killing ppl.

Interesting intro post. Trying to seem innocent by badmouthing scum? I'm watching you. Like this

I agree with this, a bit. Trying to go out of one's way to look Townish without really doing anything, well, Townish. I think it's a small tell.

Okay, my top two picks for scum are chauchau and TKaBN, and reading through the last page and a half I am more sure about

Unvote, Vote: Tokillablockingnerd

Why?

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Oh and shrinehme, keep reading the thread, I've already answered all the questions you asked me :p

Alright. I was busy today [yesterday], so I didn't get around to it. I figured it'd be better to let everyone have insight into my "passing thoughts" as if I were actually playing one post at a time, rather than reading and knowing everything that happens everything first.

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BillyBailey's Post 137 looks scummy to me. Both Ace and TKaBN has posted discussion-worthy cases that he could have commented on. Instead, he dodged the more worthwhile scum-hunting discussion, and homed in on Nikanor about the Mafia Roleblocker tell that he [Nik] had only mentioned very briefly [and it was a bit obscure, in my opinion]. It show that he's obviously paying close attention to the game, but is avoiding allowing us to get reads on him, by not giving us his opinions.

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I checked back on Page 10, 11, and 12 really quiclky just now to scope out anything else that BillyBailey had posted, and I found absolutely nothing. He's also not up for replacement.

Is he away?

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Vote: BillyBailey

Hey guys ive been trying to analyse everything but i cant seem to find many scumtells. OK so these are my thoughts:

ACE 5993 seems active and opportunistic but my gut says he is innocent

BROTHER NATURE hasnt really said much that is substantive, but benefit of doubt that he is innocent

BV310 im neutral on

CHAUCHAUDOTCOM has been encouraging discussion, think shes innocent

KIRBY_IS_KYAAN hasnt really contributed anything sunstantive, think he might be lurking

NETOPALIS seems quite logical and active in his attempt to find scum, i think he is innocent

NIKANOR seems helpful and innocent

TKABN i am neutral on but would say his vote for ace was based on a weak argument

He's being passive here! Avoiding conflict!

basically yea thats how ive analysed things so far, theres not really much to go on

Yes there was! Plenty. Netopolis' questions, Ace's case against TKaBN, TKaBN's case against Ace, ect.

Saying "there's nothing to go on" is a deadlock in itself. If there's nothing to go off of, it's Town's job to make more discussion and make something to go off of.

If you're unsure about whom to vote for with deadline approaching, we should probably be offing a lurking player at the very least. At least with active players, you have more information about them to discuss later in the game. If you leave a lurker alone and bring him into the endgame, your lack of read on him'll severely hinder your ability to make the right decision.

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Oh, whoops. So he's being replaced for inactivity, yes? Or was he the one who requested replacement?

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Are you voting BV for the reasons I did [his early play], or does the vote relate to his recent actions?

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I really don't understand the ace wagon. I'd bet money that there's at least one scum on that there wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Tokillablockingnerd.

Why did you think this? Why did you change gears so suddenly [heavy questioning of Netopalis, whom you made a good point about, and then a TKaBN vote]? Why did you target TKaBN rather than Brothernature or bv310?

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TKABN:
Random lynch suggestion
Attacking Ace for refusing to answer questions when he himself stated that he didn't want to answer certian questions
Weak reasoning
Following flow of the game without providing a great deal of independent analysis
Only defense "I don't think that the arguments are valid"
Claim that a roleclaim will only hurt the town...right after he claims.
OMGUSing everywhere

I didn't catch any of this... not even the claim [which is probably why I can't fathom how he has 3 votes...]. Can you refer me to the posts in which he did all of these?

Also: Belated responses to Shrine's questions:
Not voting because I want to be free to hammer if needed.

Why is it important to you to be able to cast a hammer vote?

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Post numbers are much easier to follow for me than ISO numbers...

If it came to it I'd go instead for a totally random lynch... the math should favor town because even if its only a bit under 20% to get it right, if one of the two mafia is lynched, then town is in a great position.

any thoughts on this latter reasoning?

This is the random lynch suggestion, yes?

Looks like noobtell. Not scumtell. I don't think Scum would try to spin the Town into consenting with a random lynch.

Why do you feel BV is stronger lynch candidate than TKaBN?

I also don't think that your point: "Says a roleclaim will hurt town... right after he claims". Holds merit. You pressured him.

Then again, if there's one more vote against me, I'll roleclaim.

Unvote, vote: To Kill a Blocking Nerd

- we need to lynch before deadline.

Alright, there's the extra vote.

Im a vanilla townie.

He probably doesn't think claims help the town [aside from a significant investigation result, they don't], but you [he also set himself up, sort of...] really put him into a position where he had to. He already had said that he'd claim after another vote. What if he'd turned around after you voted him and said that he actually didn't have a plan to claim?

I'd probably give a scumlist and more thoughts on players, but so close to the deadline... nah... Even though I'm still not fully situated comfortably into the game, I'm doubting TKaBN lynch is the way to go.

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Why did you think this? Why did you change gears so suddenly [heavy questioning of Netopalis, whom you made a good point about, and then a TKaBN vote]? Why did you target TKaBN rather than Brothernature or bv310?

Because I don't want to succumb to tunneling on one person for the rest of this game?

Well that's nice and all, but it doesn't answer my questions.

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I'm okay with this bv310 lynch.

Seemed a bit fast though...

Chauchau: Your post 391 is WIFOM... P:

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Why are you asking for my opinion of you just before the start of Night Phase...?

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Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; the lynched player may not post during twilight but all other living players may continue to post.

We may still post.

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Why not?

Gives tips to scum for NKill targets.

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vote: danakillsu

Looking forward to seeing your first post.

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NikolaSama, what's your read on Nikanor?

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Actually, the above question applies to everyone.

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Nikanor.

About the Brock wagon, I really don't see any merit in it (see my conclusion on Brock's behaviour in my stances post). I'd switch over for a deadline lynch, since I'm not 100% convinced he's town, but I'm confident enough in his townieness that I don't want to see him lynched today.

P.S. I'm not hammering Brock, even if it comes down to a possible no-lynch. I just don't see Brock flipping anything other than town. Heckle me about this all you like, I'm not hammering someone I think is going to flip town.

What changed your viewpoint [specifically]?

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I'll make that a

vote: Nikanor

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@everyone: Why are you not here yet?

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If you mean, 'Why weren't you willing to hammer Brock at deadline,' the answer is that I still don't know why he was lynched. It wasn't a very good wagon, and I fail to see why you all seemed to think he was scum.
Busy day today. I might post later, who knows.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being highest, how much effort would you say you put into preventing Brock's [whom you firmly believed was Town] lynch?

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Clarification:

About the Brock wagon, I really don't see any merit in it (see my conclusion on Brock's behaviour in my stances post). I'd switch over for a deadline lynch, since I'm not 100% convinced he's town, but I'm confident enough in his townieness that I don't want to see him lynched today.

Here he says that he fairly strongly believes that Brock is Town, but will consider switching to Brock for the sake of a lynch at the deadline. For reasons, he refers us here:

Brock - His reaction to the 'Posting is scummy,' misinterpretation gives me town vibes. Seems more like pouty (for lack of a better word) town than frustrated scum.

Basically a gut read. "town vibes", "seems like" give me the impression that he's not very confident in his Town read on Brock here. I wonder, how does this turn into "Town but will consider lynch at deadline" and then into, "I'm not hammering Brock, even if it comes down to a possible no-lynch."?

Nikanor, I meant: What made you go from "I may lynch Brock at deadline" to "I refuse to lynch Brock at deadline"?

[Shrinehme]

It's a very complicated game.

What makes you say that?

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What are your thoughts on your predecessor [BillyBailey]?

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Netopolis/Danakillsu/Nikanor have posted in many other parts of the forums today, which is particularly interesting since the former two promised they'd catch up and get back to us.
Ace posted in a some other game several times yesterday, and only once here.
TKaBN hasn't been here since his last post.

Duly noted/sadface.

If it helps get discussion moving any, I'll mention that I'm willing to bet there's at least one scum between Danakillsu and Nikanor.

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@almightybob: Netopolis'/Nikolasama's last posts were on the 14th. Is it too early to request prod? If not, would you mind prodding them?

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Ace looks pretty town to me. P:

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Hey, Ace, what do you think about my few points against Nikanor?

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@Town: Stop lurking. You're significantly hurting our chances of winning.

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Ace, can you compile the case against TKaBN into one post? I still don't quite understand it...

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Shrine would you mind elaborating on why you read ace as town?

The way he posts.

Examples:

Everything he says here looks earnest. The deadline was approaching, he did express preference for the TKaBN wagon, Brock was the strongest lynch candidate by far, and he did express beforehand that he wouldn't mind hammering BV [Post 382; he didn't surprise us with a quickhammer]. Everything checks out. He's being honest.

He had almost the same sentiments on chauchau that I did [except I wasn't under the impression he was Cop]. My last few posts Day 1 were intended to look like I was iffy on chauchau [he was the last person I wanted to see NKilled], but I was pretty sure he was Town. He's looking at things from a Town perspective.

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I'd like to see a list of thoughts on each player from everyone. Please.

Done reading yet, Nikanor?

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EBWOP: Or at least a simple scumlist.

I'd also prefer that danakillsu or NikolaSama post theirs before anyone else does.

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I will hold off on posting, then.

Why didn't you ask me why I chose those two specifically? Not curious?

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NikolaSama, It'd be great if, after you read over the thread, you posting your thoughts on players and, perhaps, complied all of the in a list of 'Scummiest' to 'Towniest'.

I said that before, but I'm not sure if you missed it. Just making sure...

Nikanor! Do you realize that you've posted nearly 0 content in about a week?

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Replacing Danakillsu?

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Thank you for subbing in, Navi.

Your first post looks very town to me. I'm glad you came out with a list immediately rather than beating around the bush.

I'm surprised to see that you think I'm more focused on keeping others talking more than myself though... I've mostly been trying to spit out my thoughts as they come to me.

My list is more along the lines of:
Ace - See what I wrote about him a few pages back. You could classify it as a gut read, but I'm not getting any scum vibes from him at all.

Navi - Town standing alone; would've chased Dana relentlessly, though. Hoping to see more from you.

Netopolis - His most recent post read extremely town to me. Overall having trouble seeing him as Scum.

NikolaSama - I think that, as Scum, he would be a lot more subtle. When he replaced, he blatantly said that he didn't feel like reading the thread... I think that hr would've tried to at least fake some effort if he were scum.

TKaBN - Not sure. I think the case against him last phase was weak, but I think I need to read into him a bit more, since I'm at a loss for other suspects.

Nikanor - See my case against him. Imo, he only 'read' bv as Town and didn't jump on his wagon to earn Townie points... At the end of the phase he comes out with "I'm having trouble seeing bv flip anything but Town", but he did next to NOTHING to actually stop the wagon. And now he's lurking like mad.

[Shrinehme]

This is ridiculous. :v

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Nikanor

: I'm actually more interested in getting responses to 425 and 426 and getting an immediate reads list than seeing an isoread [but that's nice too, I guess].

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Have a nice one yourself, Mr. Mod.

Still would like to see reads lists from your guys. Deadline is slowing but surely approaching... we can't wait forever. We can probably decide on a course of action after we see where everyone stands.

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Vote: NikolaSama.

Nikola is a neutral leaning scummy read to me at the moment, so I have no qualms about lynching him at deadline. If he flips town, though, I suggest everyone keep an eye on Navy tomorrow.

I guess it's nice to know your read on him now that deadline his here and he's a pretty easy lynch.

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I guess I won't mind hammering, but I'm not sure when the exact time of the deadline is... I don't see it listed anywhere. Does anyone else mind? [

Can you keep deadline in vote counts from now on?

]

Oh, and Shrinehme, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that you wanted to hear from Dana and Nikola before the rest of us posted because you didn't want to give the lurkers pre-fabricated reads to use against everybody else. It was clearly the right play, and I endorse it 100%.

Yeah...

If Nikola flips Town, and I die overnight, please please PLEASE look at Nikanor or TKaBN tomorrow. <.<
[^ just in case I don't have a chance to make another post before Night]

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Scum these days are so

rude

!

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I was going to attack Nikanor because the Nikola lynch looking like a complete bus to me.

And then he killed me. RAAAAAGE.