Newbie 934 - Game Over!

[mb53]

Howdy folks, I would like to kick off the game with a few questions.

1. Do you like RVS or RQS more and why?
2. How would you describe your play style?
3. How much mafia have you played before?
4. What goes through your mind before you make a post?
5. Are you nervous when you play mafia?
6. What time zone are you, and when do you post?

And @nacho, why do you play in newbie games?

Answering my own questions:
RQS for sure, RVS is very pointless in my opinion.
Well, this being only my second game, I am not sure yet. Hopefully more aggressive then my last game, I was told I should be.
This is only my second game on this site (and my first I sadly had to replace out, life got too busy hope it doesn't happen again), but I have played real life mafia some.
I try to keep in mind all possibilities before I post. Possibilities from different scum combinations to reasons why I could possibly regret making a post.
I am in U.S. Mountain time which is GMT-7 I think. I can post a lot on weekend, and I can post a lot this week (spring break). After this week though, I will only post 3:30pm to midnight my time.

Also: I like super smash bros. too.


I think my questions are pretty similar to SSBs, so feel free to skip over duplicates. One thing that my questions didn't answer: I joined mafiascum because it is fun.

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Also: I like super smash bros. too.

I don't no whether this came out wrong or not, but I meant the video game .

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@ Travis:

Read http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=RQS and http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=RVS

I also suggest reading as much as possible in that wiki.

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Oops, meant to put this in the last post, but it would also really helped if you (and anyone else out there) got an avatar.

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Its easier to associate posts with a picture then a name, especially since avatars, unlike names, really jump out at you.

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@ everyone that said that they like RVS more, just because I asked some questions, doesn't mean you can't still do some random voting.

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Well, I have done plenty of talking. I will burst into a lot of posts (one of the things that hurt me last game, but that is how I play) after everyone has answered my questions.

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but you haven't answered any of the random questions yourself

Wait wut?

1. Do you like RVS or RQS more and why?

RQS, I feel that it gets more info out of it. But RVS the scum tends to vote each other

2. How would you describe your play style?

One of those people that can't really explain it that well but know what I'm doing

3. How much mafia have you played before?

Lets see, I played in..uh.. this will be my seventh.

4. What goes through your mind before you make a post?

The perfect post, that nails the scum in one blow. But I usually don't. Note question number two

5. Are you nervous when you play mafia?

Naw, its just a game, its for fun

6. What time zone are you, and when do you post?

EST, I will post quite a bit on weekends if possible, and in the afternoons during the week.

1. Why did you join Mafiascum?

Cus its kool

2. Have you have any previous experience in Mafia?

Note question 3 on quote 1, and if you mean before this site, no I haven't.

3. Do you like the concept of Random Voting Stage?

Like, I said, scum usually vote for each other but ya like thats going to be determined during then. I like RQS more.

4. How long have you've been playing Mafia for?

Since December 2009

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@Robocopter87: You asked for it and my vote is below.

After reading the entire thread, I've officially decided on a vote.

Vote: Matteh

I know everyone is excited about the game and all, but I've seen the least of this from Matteh. It seems like he wanted to answer both mine and mb53's question just because he felt obligated to. Also, he has shown questionable grammer.

Seriously? You are voting on him because we asked him something and he answered, and he had bad grammer... I hope you know that you spelled grammar wrong.

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I have read some of a game with razorback...

Also: I just realized that everyone did answer my questions. Will post thoughts about the answers sometime tonight.

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Also, you called him out for not posting much

In fact, he called him out for calling other people out for not posting enough. He thought he was being hypocritical, which he later found out that he wasn't.

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I think that RVS can still continue until someone really does make a serious vote (As in to really pressure someone or because they think that person is scum. Lets face it, SSBs was not serious).

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OK, that analysis that I promised, and in no particular order too!

Eklipse

:

Looks good to me. In my question number 2, he says that he jokes some, which typically mafia wouldn't want to do, and says that he can be aggressive. I am curious to see if he sticks to these, or not. Also says that he gets nervous. Someone who is scum trying to act town would be more likely to say that they have nothing to be nervous about while a townie would be more likely to answer truthfully.

Townish read.

CT

Hhhmmm, I have a feeling he is trying to act more newb then he really is. He answered SSBs question about random voting, but asked me what they were in my question. Then when I answered him with the wiki, he quickly answered (in under a minute). And he started in November yet says he didn't know what those were.

Why do you like RVS more?

Scummier read.

Robo

Well, I get nothing special from his answers, but so far his play seems the same as the games that I checked with him in (both town those times)

Not much of the read, leaning towards town.

Charlie

=/ nothing from his questions, need more posts before I can find anything with him. /cry at the people who preferred RVS since there answers were shorter and I couldn't get anything out of you.

No read.

Nacho

You had

too

good of answers. You said nothing that I might be able see you contradicting yourself. ICs are hard to catch if they are scum =(

No read.

Matteh

=/ Answered questions just to get them over with, so I've got nothing on him so far.

No read.

SSB

Posting and scum hunting more then scum would. Also admits to being nervous more in games.

Townish read.

Shadsticle

Attempting scum hunting, and every post has been constructive and content full.

Townish read.




Seeing him as the most suspicious, I am

Voting for: Coach Travis.

Something I thought that I would add: I don't make many paragraphs, I try to get my point across in a few sentences (see above) and a bunch of quotes.

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Oh, and my answer wasn't in less than a minute:SSB explained it a couple minutes before you put the links up, and I immediately responded to that.

Ah, I see, my mistake then. But you still seem the most suspicious at the moment, so my vote is staying.

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I really don't like SSBs latest vote. He said it was random, yet he gave a real reason (at least one that

he

thought was real. (lurking)). And if it really was random, why eklipse when he already had 2 votes on him? Not liking it.

FoS Super

(I'm calling him that from now on.)

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Or just another thought that popped into my mind after posting that, it could be subtle distancing early game that doesn't mean much. It could still be something however.

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I'm slowly liking super less. It is very likely that something just came up with him (nacho), and hasn't gotten a chance to post. Also putting the IC (or anyone really) at L-1 because he posted in awhile is not smart.

What is questionable about robo?

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I'm slowly liking super less. It is very likely that something just came up with him (nacho), and hasn't gotten a chance to post. Also putting the IC (or anyone really) at L-1 because he hasn't posted in awhile is not smart.

What is questionable about robo?

EBWOP

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Unvote

Vote: Super Smash Bros. Fan

I do not like your reasoning behind suspicious/votes at all. You are jumping around way too much, with no reasons. Lets review.

First suspicion: Matteh because of grammar and not liking RQS. This was a real vote btw, not RVS.

Second: FoS on shad because he only posted twice (while people still only posted once), missreading, and not being impressed with his initial defense (whatever that means...) Next post he unvotes.

Third: Jumps back to RVS, voting eklipse (putting him at L-2 which he claims he didn't know he did. How could you not know?), even after he made a real vote. Yet even though he says it is RVS, he gives a serious reason.

Fourth: Unvotes, FoS on Nacho for not posting enough, and FoMS on robo for his play style (confusing weird posts. By the way, I love your play style robo, keeps the game fun.)

Too many flawed reasons, too much jumping, and goes back into (the pointless) RVS, which just wastes time.

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Wait he did say why he didn't know. He wasn't keeping track of vote! Yet he is suspicious of robo for being lazy... hmm...

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I'm an very honest person

... Just no. I think everyone can see what is wrong with this. This is mafia, a game based around lies.

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Super, please include the answers to these questions in that analysis that you said you would do tonight.

Who do you find most suspicious now and why?
Why do you think that this game is confusing? How do you think that it got this confusing?
How informed do you think that your vote on Matteh was?
Do you think that votes this far into the game mean much? What about 2 or 3 votes?
And then a statement that I would like you to respond to: You seem to be directing a lot of your posts at me.

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Notes on Charlie:

Possibly busing super, since he really doesn't have a case on him. His case is: "yeah, what he said. VOTE!" Which brings me to the possibility of a nacho-charlie scum team.

Just trying to keep every possibility in mind, like I said I would.

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EBWOP: Good luck tomorrow badger.

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In your eyes, am I scummy?

No, I find you the least scummy right now (partly a gut feeling).

Is charlie scummy?

If SSB flips town (that is, if we do choose to lynch him) I would find him scummy for jumping on SSB without contributing anything against him.

What makes you think this? Do you know what bussing means?

Rereading, I realize how dumb I sound saying it could be bussing, that seems unlikely. Less unlikely than a Nacho-Charlie scum team. And even that isn't very likely.

In my experience, scum follow good-sounding cases brought fourth by a townie; they're normally too afraid to follow something presented by their scumbuddy so quickly. Do you agree with that?

And yes, I do agree that scum wouldn't normally follow a partner that quickly, especially a SE would not be likely to do that.

If SSBF flips scum, who is his most likely scumbuddy? Why?

Hm, if he flips scum, I could only guess really.

No idea what I was thinking in 104 honestly...

Super:

He's probably spending his free time making another eclipse, let's get him back on the game where he belongs. And he did say he might be a lurker.

ctrl+f does wonderful things. It was in his random vote against eklipse. That makes me really not like eklipse's post, misquoting on purpose. He clearly (at least in my mind) jokingly put a vote on you, to make sure you spend time playing instead of writing books.

Also you say that CT has made good posts with content. But looking at him in iso (that is what it is called eklipse), there is not that much content. He echoed some people, and defended himself when he didn't have to. not much scum hunting going on, or nice juicy posts.

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Coach Travis is my second, based on my earlier post. Nerves - double, and triple posting, and defending and justifying things that nobody has asked you to are usually good scumtells in my book.

I think part of my nervousness comes from the fact that I'm coming off a game where I was a townie, and was the first lynched, no matter how well I was doing defending myself. So the early vote here scared me(because it felt like it could be deja vu), and it made me overly cautious, I think. I'll try and avoid that as we go on.

Anyway, I agree with the case on Super:His voting hasn't really made sense, he really should have noticed the state his vote would put Eklipse in, plus the whole promising a big post and then never doing it. I still don't want to vote him yet, because I know from experience how an early L1 can be bad, but It's a definite cause for an

FOS:Super Smash Bros. Fan

there is not that much content. He echoed some people, and defended himself

when he didn't have to

. not much scum hunting going on, or nice juicy posts.

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Regarding Eklipse's 'misquote', according to mb53... I'm not entirely sure it was a misquote really, or that SSBF was referring to writing books when he voted for Eklipse. SSBF's Eklipse vote still seems strange to me as a meld of random/serious. Also interesting though, is how quickly Eklipse folded on this point in his 117.

I think that the thing that happened was that I didn't understand eklipse after he didn't understand super. It's cleared up now I think.

What do you think of mine and mb53's analysis?

Honestly I don't think mine was that great, as it was only 3 pages in, and people had only posted once or twice. Yours was OK but partly based off posting habits. I'll try to get another one of mine tomorrow, I am too busy today to do one. But super has sort of gone down on the scummy meter, so I think that I will unvote for now. If I end up finding him still scummier then someone else during my analysis, I will revote for him. But I think that I have a new target. Actually, I will try to get my analysis out there today, but it might not happen. I'll give why I don't find him as scummy in my analysis, so don't bother asking me.

Unvote

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Yet another analysis, this one alphabetical!!

Charlie

I am expecting more content from him. He doesn't look scummy but he could contribute more, and he said he would here:

.I suppose what you intended to say is "Charlie looks like he's piggybacking on Nacho's case". It is true, for now.

for now.

I want moar!
No read, slightly townish, but it is just gut feeling.

Coach Travis

Scummiest right now. He really hasn't contributed, well, anything. I am still sticking to what I said:

there is not that much content. He echoed some people, and defended himself when he didn't have to. not much scum hunting going on, or nice juicy posts.

And:

comments on Super were all just repeating what had been said. It's like he's actively lurking:pretending to be helping, and posting occasionally, but not adding anything substantial. I don't have enough on him to vote, but I'll be watching him, and I think he needs to start contributing soon.

Hypocrite much?
Scummy read.

Eklipse

I can't find anything on him that looks scummy. There was some miss communication between us and the "lets get him back into the game" thing, but he has been active with nice posts, and he has defended himself well with some scum hunting.
Towner read.

Matteh

Smaller, less helpful posts then most, but has tried scum hunting a little and promises to make a content-full post soon. Until then:
No read.

Nachomamma8

Very good posts, looking like the best scum hunter in this game. Could defend himself for not posting, and quickly picks up on scummier things.
Towner read.

Robo

He looks OK to me. He has been asking questions, and giving towny advice.
A bit iffy. [/joke] (I have been following that game btw)
Towner read.

Shad

Similar to robo. Has been asking good questions, some nice scum hunting.
Towner read.

Super

His play hasn't been super, but he has clearly been trying. He stayed calm when he got votes started on him, and has stayed calm. All of his mistakes also could be explained by newbieness. I don't feel confident enough to call him town, but I no longer find him quite as scummy. So:
No read.

That being said:

Vote: Coach Travis

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Could anyone explain how robo's iso 15 is rolefishing?

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@Robocopter87: By "Do as I say, not as I do", he's meaning this.

He doesn't want you to exactly be an copycat of what you're doing but he does want that thing done.

Let's take this as an example. We both live in an house and we both clean. I like to clean the bathrooms first, go clean the kitchen next, make the living room spotless, fix up the bedrooms, and then clean up the other rooms.

One day, I need to do something important and I can't clean house. However, you don't need to really do anything. Thus, I ask you to clean the house by the time I get back. However, I say to not to clean up the bathroom, the kitchen, the living room, the bedrooms, and other rooms in that order because I will be watching from a security camera I bring with me. Rather, I challenge you to clean up the house in your own way, therefore, you are following my orders and cleaning up the house, but not doing it in the exact order as I do.

Hopefully, this helps explain the meaning.

mhm, I thought the same thing to. It certainly didn't help.

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mhm, I thought the same thing to. It certainly didn't help.

I think I get the gist of it now.

@ SSBF:

'Do as I say, not as I do' does not mean what you think, exactly. It's the idea that someone will tell everybody to do one thing, then do the opposite. Like if your parents tell you not to smoke, when they go through 60 Marlboro a day, they'll tell you to 'do as we say, not as we do.' Yah?

In other words: a hypocrite?

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offer a little evidence in the form of quotes so everyone can follow his argument/case against people.

You want quotes! I'll give

you

quotes!!!

So backing up my reads on people!

Eklipse:
My read:

I can't find anything on him that looks scummy. There was some miss communication between us and the "lets get him back into the game" thing, but he has been active with nice posts, and he has defended himself well with some scum hunting.

Example:

@ElectricBadger- Good luck to you with your surgery.

unvote

since RVS is over and there's no reason for a vote to be on him at the moment. He doesn't seem suspicious at all imo.

Anywho, sorry I've been absent a lot. As I said, I work on Wednesdays so it might be a tiny bit hard for me to get on and post anything of quality towards the game (or read anything over to be honest. But alas, I am here.

Is there any game style that's against it?

I'm not too familiar with everything, but I don't really think that there's any type of style that's against it. I could be really wrong though.

can you quote where he said he would lurk?

*sigh* I'm supposing he's taking that me saying I tend to get labeled as a lurker that he actually meant that

I would

be a lurker and lurk this topic. Which isn't necessarily the case, and I do try to be as active as I can be. Promise.

let's get him back on the game where he belongs.

Mind explaining what exactly you meant by getting me back on the game where I belong?

I also don't understand all the hype from SSBF about trying to put an FOS on people who haven't posted frequently. I mean yeah, sure, that could be labeled as lurking, but we're still

soo

early in the game process that trying to place pressure on someone who isn't attentive to the RVS just seems like sort-of a ridiculous gameplay. If it becomes an increasing problem I can see the issue, but as of now it just seems like you're trying to do one of two things i) place pressure on those who aren't active and get them to post more

or

ii) push for a lynch and try to move the game along quickly. Which personally comes of as scummy in my mind because you're attempting to (what it seems like) get a quick lynch and start the night process. Nachomamma wasn't active for 48 hours (or whatever), but in the grand scheme of things that isn't really that long of a time. It's generally the quality of responses over the quantity of the posts which are added to this game.

@SSBF- I'm confused at certain posts and points you've made in the game so far. While you do post a large

quantity

of responses, I'm not exactly sure I understand what some of them mean let alone why you're choosing to say certain things such as:

To be fair, I had no idea that I actually was putting Ekclipse at L-2. It's probably because I'm not too familar with the F11 setup (I talked to people about it in the Muppet Mafia in Smash World Forums and people tore me up because of it, leading me to being the closest to lynch now, but that's a converstation for another day), so

maybe that's why I did an RVS vote on Ekclipse.

and even after Shadsticle asked about this, I still don't understand your thought process. You seem antsy for a lynch. I agree fully with what mb53 stated in his post (91.)

I dislike just typing and all, but at this point I don't feel inclined to put SSBF at L-1. I do find him suspicious, but I'd at least like to give him some time to answer some questions and such. *directs more attention to this game*

Matteh:

Smaller, less helpful posts then most, but has tried scum hunting a little and promises to make a content-full post soon. Until then:
No read.

But now, nice analysis (I don't think I need to quote that), so towner read.

Nacho:

Very good posts, looking like the best scum hunter in this game. Could defend himself for not posting, and quickly picks up on scummier things.
Towner read.

Just read him in iso, you will see what I'm saying.

Robo:

He looks OK to me. He has been asking questions, and giving towny advice.

ISO #11 for towny advice, and

Six pages in and you're liking a lynch?

is a question I believe. Looking back, no he doesn't have that great of content, and is fluffly, but he still has more content than Coach Travis. I still want an answer from you guys about this though:

Could anyone explain how robo's iso 15 is rolefishing?

Shad:

Similar to robo. Has been asking good questions, some nice scum hunting.

Coach Travis and Robo vote are good examples of scum hunting, and

Six pages in and you're liking a lynch?

Quote where I said that?

also

We are just bandwaggoning people, whats up with that?
People are just jumping on wagons and when that wagon dies down they jump on the next one. I hope this bandwagonning does not continue.

What does this mean? Bandwagons form and disband in these games all the time. How would the town get anywhere without them? Pressure encourages slips from scum, and better quality posting from town. Win-win. Or are you referring to a specific bandwagon?

for asking questions.

Super:

His play hasn't been super, but he has clearly been trying. He stayed calm when he got votes started on him, and has stayed calm. All of his mistakes also could be explained by newbieness. I don't feel confident enough to call him town, but I no longer find him quite as scummy.

I can't really provide quotes for that, just reread the thread to get what I am saying.

As for Coach Travis and Charlie, I quoted them in my original analysis. Oh hey, new post by CT just now! Hm, would you look at that, more hypocriticalness!

his previous lack of anything helpful

I have found him way more helpful then you this game. Where is your scum hunting!? The rest of the post is repeating what he said earlier. Being totally useless right now CT...

Wow, longer post then I thought it would be =P

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Hum, rereading Coach in ISO I found THIS!

Robo:Not sure right now. His first few posts were jokey, but once the game got serious, so did he. He's done a bit of scum-hunting, though not as much as some of the others, but I agree that bandwagoning is something we need to be careful to avoid, unless we're completely convinced that someone's scum. Overall, a bit null compared to some of the others, but slightly town.

So right now, my two most suspicious are Matteh and Charlie, but I need to see some more before I can make a vote.

Alright, Matteh delivered his big post, so obviously I don't consider him as scummy right now(his previous lack of anything helpful was really all I had against him). As for Robo and Super:I can understand the cases against both, and do somewhat agree with some of the points, but I'm still not entirely convinced to vote for either one, and as I've said previously, I won't make a serious vote until I'm very certain, because I don't want to make a halfhearted vote, and end up lynching a townie.

All of a sudden Charlie is a past suspicion, and robo is suspicious. And yeah, as Super just said, there is only super with 2 votes, and robo with 1 vote, it isn't really that dangerous to vote.

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And yeah, as Super just said, there is only super with 2 votes, and robo with 1 vote, it isn't really that dangerous to vote.

Looking back, super was wrong. He has 3 votes and robo has 2. Still, if you think someone is scum, hunt them, not say "well I want to but a vote on him, but I don't want to lynch town. You know what, I'm just going to wait around some more."

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Hmmm... where did CT say he wasn't suspicious anymore? From my understanding of the post, I gathered that Matteh dropped out of his suspicions, and that he agreed with the cases on Robo and Smash, nothing more.

Hm, I see what you are saying. What I gathered was that he was listing his suspicious, but from rereading, I would have to say your explanation does make more sense.

Still don't quite like the robo-wagon.

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Nice OMGUS robo...

Will post my thoughts on some ISOs I did later, this is all I have time for now.

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I won't just read him in ISO! I'll post what I see in his ISO! And yes, from newest to oldest like you said. GO!

ISO 0 (latest)
Explains to robo that there really

was

a case on him, and that it wasn't just for an uninformed vote. Then explains what he does not like about robo and votes.
Towner read.

1 Answers Matteh's questions and starts a case on robo.
Towner read.

2. Contradicts himself from earlier on (his vote on nacho) telling CT

His lack of contributation according to you could also be due to his relatively busy lifestyle.

Scummer read.

3. Directly from Matteh:

the most long-winded analogy EVEEEEEEEEEEEEER.

Null read.

4. Asks what everyone thinks of my analysis and his, and tells Matteh that if his post his good, he might consider him town.
Null read.

5. Says he will be V/LA until sunday.
Null read.

6. Threw something else onto his case on charlie.
Towner read.

7.

Looks like I just learned that I should never bring up power roles in an Mafia game, no if's, and's, or but's.

Null read.

8. Says that power roles don't want to be lynched, says that CT isn't scummy (I'll address the reasons later in this post)
Null read.

9. Says he deserves the wagon he is on.
Null read.

10. Explains that he vote on Eklipse was completely RVS and answers some questions well.
Towner read.

11. His analysis. He is suspicious of robo, but says that some of his posts are good, so he votes for Charlie instead. Decent analysis so
Towner read.

12. Answers Matteh, saying he accidentally put Eklipse at L-2.
Null read.

13. Bad post by him. Says the game was getting confusing and he wasn't keeping track of votes.
Scummy read.

15. The start of his suspicions on robo.
Towner.

16. Unvotes Eklipse, says we might need to put nacho at L-! until he posts, yet doesn't vote for him.
Scummy.

17. RVS on Eklipse.
Scummy.

18. promises to make an analysis. (again)
Scummy.

19. Asks Matteh something
Null read.

20. Over politeness.
Null read.

21-22 Double post, points something out to Shad, "" fail.
Null.

23. Unvotes Matteh when questioned.
Scummy.

24. Unnecessary FoS on Shad,
Null

25. RV on Matteh.
Scummy

26. Over politeness and says that he next post will be informed (wasn't)
Scummy when combined with 25.

27. Says next post will be informed (only difference from 26 is that he added another line saying thanks for posting everyone!)
Scummy.

28. Talks about self-lynching and

Your three suggestions will help throughout the game. But also note that I will spare no mercy as well.

Null.

29. politeness.
Null.

30. I see what you are saying. (that is all that is there)
Scummy null.

31. asks why I want avatars.
Null.

32. Fluff.
Null.

33. Explains RVS and RQS and says double posting is welcomed.
Null.

34. Answer my questions, tries being friendly with me
Null.

35. Asks questions.
Null.

Over he starts null, goes scum, then goes town IMO.

Charlie: (oldest to newest this time, IDK why charlie wanted me to do newest to oldest )

0. Answers questions.
Null.

1. RV on Eklipse
Scummish

2. Vote on Super. Just says "yeah, nacho is right"
Scummy

3. Says that a vote on you isn't pro town, corrects me.
slightly scummy trying to get teh vote off him.

4. Asks questions.
Towny.

5. unvotes.
Null

Overall, he hasn't contributed much or been helpful, and has done some scummy things I think.

Coach:

0-1 answers questions.
Null

2. Says he likes RVS more.
Null.

3 RV on Eklipse, says people automatically think he is scummy (?), and explains why he likes RVS more.
Mostly null, but a little scummy.

4. fluff.
Null.

5. Explains one thing that I thought was suspicious about him.
Slightly towny.

6. Repetitive unnecessary fluff.
Scummy

7. Says he will be watching charlie.
Null.

8. Unvote.
Null.

9. Restates why everyone thinks Super is scummy, throws an FoS on him, and tries to explain why he is nervous (not that we can belive him)
Scummy.

10. Says Matteh needs more content, defends himself, and answers a question.
Scummy because of hypocrite.

11.

Just by looking through everyone's posts so far, one thing sorta stuck out:Matteh has yet to contribute much of anything. He's asked a few decent questions, but hasn't really done any mafia hunting, and his comments on Super were all just repeating what had been said. It's like he's actively lurking:pretending to be helping, and posting occasionally, but not adding anything substantial. I don't have enough on him to vote, but I'll be watching him, and I think he needs to start contributing soon.

Super hypocritical.
Very scummy.

12. Slightly town read on robo, says he is suspicious of charlie and Matteh for having no content.
Scummy

13. suspicious of robo now, doesn't want to put a vote down though. No longer suspicious of Matteh.
Null, slight scum.

14. Explains why he doesn't want to vote, and says he is still watching charlie
WOW A TOWNISH POST!

Back to reasons Super doesn't find CT scummy:

Coach Travis was one of the first people who actually stepped up to the plate and answered questions from both me and mb53 and nothing he has posted has really striked me as scummy for now. I'll re-read his posts thought, in case I missed something.

First off: technically I was the first person to answer all the questions =P. Second off, just because he answered first in no way makes him seem towner. And see above for things he has done scummy. I find him to be the best lynch today, he has been very hypocritical, and is just trying to coast by to get robo or super lynched, without being on the wagon to avoid being suspicious.

And robo: You are a bit iffy now (no [/joke] here..), especially with your latest vote.

Again, didn't expect this post to be so long lol!

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You said that we should become more active and more productive, which is what we've been doing.

Coach Travis hasn't. Robo has been way more active and productive then robo.

[mb53]

EBWODP

You said that we should become more active and more productive, which is what we've been doing.

Coach Travis hasn't. Robo has been way more active and productive then Coach Travis.

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Who do you think is the 2nd most scummiest person in this game and why?

Charlie. I feel that him and CT are just trying to coast by as you guys yell at each other, hoping that they won't get noticed.

I WANT CONTENT. IN THE NEXT 3 POSTS. GOT THAT? You guys really aren't helping town at all.

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Question for Coach Travis, Eklispe, Charlie, and Robo (the non-voters):
Who do you find the most suspicious right now? Why aren't you voting for that person?

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Yes robo, I think that everyone has quotes down by now =P
@ Charlie please make a summary of your reasons for voting on Super, it will help us. And yes, scum hunt. You do have a point about Eklipse lurking, he hasn't posted since Thursday =O

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Has the SSBF/Robocopter8 argument changed your view on their scumminess? Do you still think that they could be scum together? In your eyes, who came out looking better from the argument?

I think that now robo is slightly scummier (I saw some good points against him), and super slightly towner. And when did I ever say that they could be a scum team (to answer, no I couldn't see both of them scum.)?

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Has the SSBF/Robocopter8 argument changed your view on their scumminess? Do you still think that they could be scum together? In your eyes, who came out looking better from the argument?

I think that now robo is slightly scummier (I saw some good points against him), and super slightly towner. And when did I ever say that they could be a scum team (to answer, no I couldn't see both of them scum.)?

see, when someone puts @matteh, that generally means the question is aimed at me

i typed some stuff up on word last night and was sure i posted it, must have been supertired lol. gimme a few minutes.

Sorry, was tired and got confused since Matthew is my real life name

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Also, don't understand how Robo's ISO 15 is rolefishing at all.

Yes, shad (who attacked him for that) still hasn't answered me about this yet. I asked why that was role fishing twice. (150 160). So I'll ask it a third time.

Shad, how is robo rolefishing in ISO post 15?

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L-1 = 4

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I think that deer is one of the more town players here. Even Eklipse made good posts, but then had to be replaced. I do not think that a vote is necessary. Deer is scum hunting, and you can't say that he is lurking. Lynching deer at this point would be stupid. My vote stays on CT, but, as said before, Charlie is second in my opinion.

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Noticing: Charlie, your vote is still on Super. Care to summarize your case on him? You've still never presented one.

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Ah, a decent post by Carlie. Slightly went down on scummyness, but he is still my second for:
1. Voting Super without

much

any reasoning of his own.
2. His overall randomness (not exactly a scum tell, just play style. But if you guys can use robo's play style as a reason why can't I? )
3. Lack of content.
4. Lack of a better person I can target.

Just want to throw out there that I doubt there is a charlie-CT scum team.

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I don't like CT saying that he has nothing good to comment on. There is 11 pages, try to find

something

.

If I realized I'd be this bad, I wouldn't have signed up.

I feel like he is trying to make us think "aawww, I feel bad for him. Can we not lynch this poor newb?"

So a question to you: where did you play before this site?

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I think that they both look scummy in their own special ways, and I see no connection at all.

Yet

. You can never be certain in this game, but I think that Charlies vote on CT was genuine, and CT was going for charlie because he is newb town, and doesn't know what to do, or is newb scum and is going for the weakest target (which in my opinion, charlie is the scummiest [other than CT]. I simply don't see a good case against robo) I am just not seeing C+CT=scum.

If CT flips town, charlie scum is possible. But if he does get lynched, I think anyone on the wagon could be scum.

If charlie flips town, it would just slightly raise my suspicions of CT, for as I said, going for a currently easier target.

If CT flips scum, I just don't see charlie as scum. And vise-versa.

Hopefully that got across my ideas, any confusion just ask.

Oh, and P.S.~ Charlie is looking slightly less suspicious in my eyes after the last few posts.

And P.P.S~ Thanks for reminding s of Shad nacho. I totally forgot about him.

Mod I belive we need a prod on Shadsticle. He hasn't posted for 3 days

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Thanks for reminding us of Shad, nacho.

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Welcome LC. I hope you aren't scum again >.<

Day One ends Midnight PST, April 19th.

Mod, could you clear that up? Midnight=next day right? Meaning that the night in-between 18th and 19th is final time to post day 1, correct?

If the above is true, we have a little under a week to find scum. If it isn't true, we have a little over a week.

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his laid back posting style has already been discussed if my slightly leaky memory of the thread is correct, it could be a clash of posting/thinking styles, or he could have scummier motives.

See post 267.
I think that CT's latest post was very good. I'll try to make another analysis sometime soon, but right now my computer is broken (I'm using one that I don't own right now). So if I don't post for like 2-3 days, don't worry, I'll get on ASAP.

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Cool, I got my internet working faster than expected.

I guess this is a typo and CT = Charlie, otherwise can you point out what recent post CT made that you thought was good, cheers.

No typo there, although Charlies latest posts

have

been good. I guess I'll pick apart why I thought this post was good:

Everything I've done this game can be explained off by the fact that I'm a confused newb(as stated previously, my prior experience hardly counts, it was that bad). At this point I won't make a big defense against an impending lynch:I'm not disinterested in the game, but if confirming that I'm a townie is more helpful than I can ever be, so be it. I want the town to win regardless, so I don't care if I have to be the first to go.

I still need to see more from LC, but at this point it can go both ways:I'm still somewhat suspicious of Robo's actions, but going through again I can kinda see how he was just overwhelmed with all the games he was in, and was maybe a bit unfocused on this one. His unvote certainly isn't as scummy as Super makes it sound, especially when he unvotes while still finding him scummy, something that's more suspicious. Though I would still like an explanation from LC of why he feels Super's vote was "forced".

I've kinda switched between finding Super suspicious and thinking he's just an excited newb, but some of his recent posts do lean back towards the former. Still not ready to make a vote at this time, but I'll make sure to do so within the next few days, if I'm not gone already.

All off this post is true. His actions

can

be explained by newbyness. His point about willing to die for town makes me think him of more town by

just a sliver

. Scum could easily say this without it being a risk. Also, CT actually is attempting scum-hunting here (which I notice Matteh has been lacking lately. Will address this later this post), and on

two

people! I feel confident that this is the most town post he has made.

Matteh

Start off slow, made a few great posts, and then goes back down. I see this posting style as scummy. He isn't doing a whole lot, just gliding by and trying to stay out of my scum-o-meter with a few big posts.
Overall: Not liking very much.

Coach Travis

My other arguments still somewhat stand, but I think got weakened after the last post. I'm not quite sure enough to keep my vote on him.
Overall:

Unvote

Just so it is seen =P

Shadsticle

Has been constantly contributing/scum hunting, asking good questions, etc.
Overall: Town so far.

Charlie

Well, there is those 4 points that I made on him earlier, they sort of apply, but not as much now. Like CT, his latest posts have been much better.
Overall: Could go either way.

Nacho

Most pro-town player here.
Overall: I will freak out if you are scum.

Deer

Well, I thought that Eklipse looked good, and combined with your posts, I think that
Overall: Town

Lord Chronos

I can't be sure yet. Robo's slight scummyness, could be explained with the reason he replaced out.
Overall: Need more posts.

Super

He has kept on switching from scum to town for me. Gah, I can't decide with him yet.
Overall: Could easily go either way.

Not enough yet to vote on Matteh, but I will be watching him, Super, CT, LC, and charlie veeerrryy closely. Just an FYI, I was tired writing this, so I might correct my thinking's on it tomorrow

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Oh, I saw that quote too, I meant to include it in my last post. I do not like that he makes it sound like he might have a power role by his posting style (which honestly, I don't see). And it is nonsense to say shad is breadcrumbing. He bolded the T because nacho left it out when he spelled his name.

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Sigh. I was planning on not to post until Matteh did, but I got impatient and it got close to deadline.

Vote: Matteh

The way I see it, Matteh has been trying to slide by, and stay out of trouble. He hasn't been helping town much, but has made a few decent posts to make sure no one is suspicious. I really do believe that he

was

rolefishing. And he certainly has not ben doing this:

i tend to take who is acting scummiest and build a wall-of-quotes case against them and then see how they react.

A small part of it is gut, I feel like his posts are trying to seem nice and friendly to subtly make us think he is town. (I don't know if I'm paranoid, or w/e but that is what I think)

I would be happy with a CT lynch too.

P.S. Happy Birthday Matteh

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Whoops, I forgot to answer the scum team question: No clue. I don't even know who one of the mafia is yet, let alone who both of the mafia are.

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Unvote Vote: Coach Travis

I found that vote to be EXTREMELY scummy. You threw your vote on someone who honestly wasn't too terribly scummy. I thought he was just barely scummy enough for me to vote on (which is why I wanted to wait for another post by Matteh, because I admit I didn't have very much), but you brought absolutely nothing new to the case, and the vote was hypocritical.

Reasons why I think that Coach Travis is scum:

1. Lack of content.
I will admit that he last few posts have brought a little content, but that doesn't make up for the lack earlier.

2. Lack of scumhunting.
None. Whole game, none. Because you are bad at it. At the start of this game I thought I was a really crappy scum hunter (feel free to see newbie 916 if you want to know why I thought I was), but I put forth an effort. You really, really haven't been trying.

3. Hypocritical posts.
All of his votes/suspicious have been for lack of content. Hypocrite.

4. "I'm a newb"
I am pretty sure I didn't play that card in my first game. Sure some of your mistakes

could

be newbyness, but I think not. I think most of them are scummy, not newby.

5. "Lynch me today to prove I am town"/I wouldn't have joined if I new I would be this bad.
I thought that that could be either a towny thing to say, or a scummy thing to say. Now I am leaning towards scummy. For the I wouldn't have joined, as said before, I think it was a really lame defense. Which brings me to my next point:

6. Unable to explain his actions.
All of his defenses were: I'm newb/trying to make us feel bad for him/lynch me today, it'll prove I am town/I am not a good scumhunter.

I think that is more then enough to put my vote. Also: I still suspicious of Matteh. If CT is scum, his vote could be a last minute attempt to make his scumbuddy look town. What I think is that if CT is scum, Matteh is scum, and if CT is town, Matteh is scum. But I truly believe that CT is scum.

Another thought: if CT is town, I think that almost confirms LC to be town, by his last post. If he is scum, I will have to decide between LC and Matteh actually. So based off of the above, I think that we will get the most info off of a CT lynch. Oh, and my vote puts him at L-1. (I swear that every post I find something I forgot to mention earlier, and can't find a good spot for it so I just stick it at the end =P)

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Also, you say that you think Matteh is scum but berate CT for voting him and say that Matteh is just barely scummy enough for a vote? That makes no sense either.

I explained that. I said that I didn't like CT's vote because he brought in nothing new and just did one of those "yeah he has a point. VOTE!!!". And the reasons he voted were hypocritical. I was seriously debating whether to vote Matteh or not yet, and as I said I wanted one more post by him to see if I could squeeze in another reason for voting. It was also close to deadline and I thought I should get voting.

Contradictions are scummy. The first part of this quote says that you believe Matteh is scum regardless of CT's flip. The second part says you think that if CT is scum you will have to decide between me and Matteh. These to statements are mutually exclusive; they are a contradiction if both are accepted.

Notice my "actually". I changed my mind. I thought that at the beginning of day 2, I should re-read from 2 different perspectives. Matteh scum, and you scum. After that I might rearrange my top suspects, and rethink who I should go after. I decided that it would be smart for me to not be thinking that Matteh is definitely scum. I think that we all need to keep our minds open.

Why does CT-town = me-town?

The way I see it, you look town. Unless CT flips scum. I can see a you-CT scum team, but I can't see you really being scum with anyone else yet.

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You think Matteh is scum either way, yet still criticize me for voting him, and switch your vote to me?

He is my #2. You are my #1. I think you are both scum right now. But as said before, I will need to re-read day 2. Also, see my first paragraph last post as to why I thought your vote was scummy. I can see a LC-you scum team because: you have found him scummy all game, until just a little bit ago, when you found him town. I feel like if you are scum, you were distancing him, then decided to make him seem town.

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Coach Travis: Who is the best lynch today and why? Do not say yourself.

[mb53]

None. Whole game, none.

Once. Whole game, just once. Because you are bad at it. At the start of this game I thought I was a really crappy scum hunter (feel free to see newbie 916 if you want to know why I thought I was), but I put forth an effort. You really, really haven't been trying.

The point still stands. And yes, I do think that Matteh is scum, but you are scummier. The scummier person gets the vote.

unvoting someone you actually think is scum just doesn't seem right to me

Well voting someone that you aren't fully convinced is scum is just as bad, if not worse right?

[mb53]

Where you just suddenly unvoted someone you were convinced was scum, to hop on a bandwagon. It sorta makes me think you are scum, baiting me into that vote just so you could have a reason to switch your vote back to me like that.

I unvoted you to find other options, voted Matteh because I thought he looked scummy, then you made a very bad post. That post convinced me that you are the best lynch for today, so I unvoted Matteh, and voted you. And how did I "bait you into voting for Matteh?"

Okay, so I think I know when speculate scum teams. Looks like I was wrong and you guys were right.

@Coach Travis: You can't even use the "I'm a newb." excuse. This was your very first post in the game:

2.Yes, but on smaller forums where most people were new to it, so it was strange. I've completed one game, and am now in a second one, probably going to lose tonight.

Maybe you're new to Mafiascum games, but you have played AND completed at least one Mafia game.

I noticed this to, and he responded:

Nowhere anyone here would have heard of, but that's irrelevant. It was less than the equivalent of a newb game, that's all you need to know.

[mb53]

I noticed this to, and this is how he responded when I asked him where he played before now:

[mb53]

I think CT is due for a lynch now. We only have a day left, I really hope we don't get a no-lynch.

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I understand that Matteh was my main suspect before, but I re-read a few times and found some things on Shadsticle I thought was scummy.

You're lamenting lack of talk in the thread, but you haven't answered any of the random questions yourself. I'd rather be posting more often too, but if only half the players start doing most(or all) of the talking, Mafia have ample opportunity to hide or, simpler still, just coast to a win.

I found this scummy now that it is later on. If he was scum, and he thought not posting early was scummy, he would post early. Now that it is later on, he hasn't been posting much at all.

ISO 5 he complains about robo, then votes for CT.
ISO 7-9 talks about Super's past experience with self voting. Totally pointless, like he is trying to get some content out there.
ISO 12 Unvotes, because he says he understands why CT is nervous.
ISO 14 says that CT is his second. I find it odd that he unvoted, then says he still finds him very suspicious. Also says that robo was rolefishing (which I

still

don't understand…)
ISO 18 ISOs robo and throws down a vote.
19-21 fluff…
ISO 22 Says that some of Super's tells weren't tells. Yet earlier he was very suspicious of him.
ISO 30

I thought Robo calling out Super for mentioning PowerRoles the way he did and tacking on a big "NO ROLEFISHING PLZ!!!!" was a bit suss, on top of the stuff I knew I was sure of.

Explanation of why he thought robo was rolefishing… still doesn't make sense to me.
ISO 33 Unvotes robo after he replaces out, and goes back to CT.
ISO 36-42 No content. And right before lynch too. What's up with that!?

Reading Shad made me suspicious. Looking at vote counts, it seems he was just an extra vote on every band wagon. There wasn't very much content or scum-hunting, but he made it seem that way by voting for almost everyone.

Matteh:
Overall, not really any content, other then a few good posts to remain off of the radar. Unlike shad, his vote was only ever on Super, or no one (at least going by EB's votecounts). My feeling is that he as trying to stay on everyone's "good side". I can't decide who is scummier (heck, maybe they are both scum), so my vote remains off of both of them.

And Matteh. Why do I "need to be looked at"? The only one who ever showed suspicion on me was CT, and when I read his post about me being suspicious, I heard a OMGUSy tone.

I think it was obvious nacho was going to die today. =( sadly he had to be the doc too…

I await both of your posts (the reread by shad and the "look" at me).

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I think Nachomamma8's kill drags LordChronos's suspicion up very high. Nachomamma8 directly said that as of his last post, LordChronos was his top suspect. From the moment he voted LordChronos after LordChronos's two day grace period to the very end where he was obligated to vote Coach Travis, all of his posts has been going after LordChronos. I'm suspecting that LordChronos may have used the oppertunity to kill someone who knew would be very helpful to the game so he can reduce the town's strength and help scum wins. I also find this kill suspicious because he failed to use the oppertunity to create suspicion on me by not lynching Deer, another person who was on my bandwagon. Given that this bandwagon is sucessful, all this will do is backfire for him.

I'd also like to add that Robocopter87's very scummy game play in my opinion still has an negative influence on him. Remember, if he is scum, then so is LordChronos.

Vote: LordChronos

I don't agree with the nacho death thing. Nacho was the only one who everyone decided was town correct? I don't know about you, but I would have killed him too. The post seems scummy, as if you killed nacho so that you could frame LC for it first post today.

FoS Super

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I don't quite understand why everyone thinks that LC is scummy. Can someone sum up their case on him?

[mb53]

Well, first I would like to say that I understand not everything in my iso on you was scummy, some was just proving a point. Like 18, it was backing up what I said of being on everyone's wagon (you were voting for CT second vote count, then had a vote/FoS on super

, then a vote on LC after nacho found him suspicious [who's following what he said?], then a vote on CT after the wagon got bigger. Those were the only wagons, I consider that a vote on every wagon.). I think that you defended yourself very well. Some points (like the one that you said was a mis-rep) got cleared up, and I understand now. Now that those are out of the way, I think that your town posts conquer your scum posts, thus making me

Vote: Matteh

for now.

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Quick question to Matteh before I summarize my case on him.
Could you please link the other game you were in?

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@everyone: If LC flips scum, big FoS at Matteh. I just iso-ed 'em.

Yes, those are my top 2 suspects and could likely be a scum team.
Who do you think could be a scum team if he is town?
I would say Matteh and.... maybe super. Mostly for the NK WIFOM part.

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@shadsticle LC=Robo. Same person. And you had voted for the super, robo/LC, and CT. This

was

every wagon.

And fine. Scummy posts: 36-42
There were more, but you defended them very well I think.

My thoughts:
TOWN
Shadsticle
Charlie
Deer

NULL
Super

SCUMMY
LC
Matteh

Waiting on Matteh before I act....

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Uhm, LC? I made the first post

before

people explained why you were found scummy, and the next post

after

everyone said why they find you scummy. I see their point now.

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Mod: Matteh needs to be prodded

Gah, hurry up and get in here Matteh.

since my poorly executed

That

really

makes it sound like you killed nacho to frame LC...

[mb53]

*sigh*....
It looks like Matteh isn't going to be lynched today. I may build a case on his replacement later, but he can't defend Matteh's actions, so I'll have to wait and find more scummy things....

Now I need to decide if I want to go for LC or super. Super has been increasingly scummy today. Hmmm, I will think things over today, my next post might have a vote. I don't remember if I was voting Matteh yet, but

unvote

in case I was.

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That's incorrect. Shadsticle only FoS me, not voted me.

Already explained.....

(you were voting for CT second vote count, then had a vote/FoS on super

, then a vote on LC after nacho found him suspicious [who's following what he said?], then a vote on CT after the wagon got bigger. Those were the only wagons, I consider that a vote on every wagon.)

For whatever reason, I am getting very mad at super. I would vote him, but I don't think I should before presenting my full case.

That will come tonight (I hope)

Oh, why oh why do you say Matteh isn't going to be lynched today, mb53?

Well, it just doesn't look like it. Some of his scumminess could be from RL stuff, and, as said, his replacement can't defend against his scummyness. If his replacement continues the scummy trend, I am fine with the Matteh lynch.

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Yes, I have read some razorback threads.
Just decided to check the thread, don't have time to make my case on anyone, or to respond to shad's points. Sorry, busybusy.

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@super
I was assuming policy lynch.

Again, no time to make case, it is really early and I have to leave in about half an hour.

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Vote: razorback

Calling Matteh a moron won't help you.

but i'm dam well going to hunt down the scum in this game

How 'bout you start?

i'm not the same player

You are the same role though.

i don't know why i should have to prove anything

Uhh, so we know you aren't scum..?

my tag came up as town when i got my role and that's all i know

[sarcasm] Obviously you know nothing [/sarcasm]
Why do you use that same, lame defense even after Charlie said it was a horrible one?

Just this

one

post deserves a vote IMO. Combined with your other posts, and Matteh's posts, you are back up from #2 to #1! /cheers

@shadsticle: Don't worry, I will show you the scum tells when I make my case on super (This week has been busy, I am shooting for getting my case out on the weekend)

Overall: Razor has been repetitive (in five posts?), using lame defenses

and grammar

, and thinks that saying "all i know is that im town" and "the slot i replaced into is a moron" and "why should i have to prove anything" will help him. Guess what? it is doing just the opposite.

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He is only at L-2 not -1. Only me and charlie has voted him I believe.

[mb53]

@All

Do try to make sure that if razor gets lynched, it isn't a policy lynch. We really can't afford a policy lynch right now, and from the way some people were posting, it seems like they want to policy lynch him. I also don't like the sudden momentum towards his lynch. It smells of scum pushing a wagon on an anti-town townie.

I think I gave good enough reasons for it not to be considered a policy lynch. And my assumption of Charlie's vote being a policy lynch was proven wrong in 440.

@ Charlie: I could have done a lot meaner things that I reaallly wanted to, but I decided that it would only hurt not help me.

@ Razorback: I await your post on LC.

@ Shadsticle: Is LC still more suspicious than RB?

@ LC:

Instead you say that there is no need to pursue a case on me, implying you think I am town, but leave me on your scum list.

Well I am sort of doing the same thing with Super. I really don't

need

to post a case on him, since I would prefer to keep him over RB/Matteh at the moment. I still do have plans to present a case though.

@ Super: Obviously Matteh/RB is scummiest to you. Who is second on your scum list?

@ Deer: Uhh, I can think of something to say to everyone but you.

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So... RB is having web problems, but can post just fine, says some shit about cum, says that saying you are town is pointless (but he has said he is town)

Great post in my opinion.

[mb53]

*facepalm*

Super case will come today.

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I do not want to risk an quick hammer this early in the game.

Well... you can always unvote it too many votes start to pile on, and if someone

does

quick hammer, that person will certainly be lynched tomorrow.

I really do not understand why people are finding charlie suspicious, he is one of the few people that I can confidently say is town.

[mb53]

Or, maybe you are paranoid.
Or, maybe you and Super are scum buddies trying to find a way to make it so one of you doesn't get lynched.

[mb53]

Unvote

Vote: Super Smash Bros. Fan

I do not like your reasoning behind suspicious/votes at all. You are jumping around way too much, with no reasons. Lets review.

First suspicion: Matteh because of grammar and not liking RQS. This was a real vote btw, not RVS.

Second: FoS on shad because he only posted twice (while people still only posted once), missreading, and not being impressed with his initial defense (whatever that means...) Next post he unvotes.

Third: Jumps back to RVS, voting eklipse (putting him at L-2 which he claims he didn't know he did. How could you not know?), even after he made a real vote. Yet even though he says it is RVS, he gives a serious reason.

Fourth: Unvotes, FoS on Nacho for not posting enough, and FoMS on robo for his play style (confusing weird posts. By the way, I love your play style robo, keeps the game fun.)

Too many flawed reasons, too much jumping, and goes back into (the pointless) RVS, which just wastes time.

I think Nachomamma8's kill drags LordChronos's suspicion up very high. Nachomamma8 directly said that as of his last post, LordChronos was his top suspect. From the moment he voted LordChronos after LordChronos's two day grace period to the very end where he was obligated to vote Coach Travis, all of his posts has been going after LordChronos. I'm suspecting that LordChronos may have used the oppertunity to kill someone who knew would be very helpful to the game so he can reduce the town's strength and help scum wins. I also find this kill suspicious because he failed to use the oppertunity to create suspicion on me by not lynching Deer, another person who was on my bandwagon. Given that this bandwagon is sucessful, all this will do is backfire for him.

I'd also like to add that Robocopter87's very scummy game play in my opinion still has an negative influence on him. Remember, if he is scum, then so is LordChronos.

Vote: LordChronos

I don't agree with the nacho death thing. Nacho was the only one who everyone decided was town correct? I don't know about you, but I would have killed him too. The post seems scummy, as if you killed nacho so that you could frame LC for it first post today.

FoS Super

I still don't like his random vote on Eklipse, I don't believe that you can accidentally put someone at L-2.

His case on robo I thought was weak and scummy. I felt like he was just following others.

Overall, I'm not exactly convinced that Coach Travis is scum, but he is acting a little scummy in my eyes. Some of his posts have been good, but not so much. I'm not going to be placing a vote on Coach Travis quite yet since I don't find him that scummy yet, but I will be watching him closely.

Two posts later:

Coach Travis: My top lynch candidate of toDay. He has been guilty of contradicting himself, constantly using "I'm new to the site" as an excuse, etc. I also didn't like his original cop-out for not contributing, even thought it looks like he's finally starting to get it. Also, he has never made a serious vote in the entire game. Now you can't just jump from vote to vote like I was doing, but making a couple of well-informed votes with good reasons does not hurt you. Looking fairly scummy to me.

he votes for him... there shad, a without a doubt scummy, not newby thing. And nothing by CT in between those posts changed his mind, since he never posted in between those.

No, that isn't much of a case

and a rather unorganized one too

, but hey, I am tired, and there is a reason that I am voting for RB over him.

@ Super and Razorback: why do you guys find charlie scummy?

[mb53]

You didn't answer my question. Why is Charlie scum?

[mb53]

Oh noes! mb53, did you know that badgers bite? They can be pretty dangerous in the wild, but on the internets they are of the electric species! They can sting you. The second post of the game says some things are a no-no. I believe you've merely made a mistake and in a perfect world everyone is your friend. Alas, in our not-so-perfect world, we need to be cautious not to use small text.

Wow, oops. I knew that part about invisible text, but forgot about small. and it wasn't supposed to be so small that you couldn't read it (I really should preview posts)

[mb53]

I don't think that lurking is much of a scumtell.

Razor, so your case is "charlie is looking for an easy lynch". Hm, not much of a case but I will look into it:

Lets see, a second RV on Eklipse. OMG he must be trying to lynch him.
Wow, and now a vote on Super, yet warning people not to lynch him yet. How scummy.
Then a vote on CT telling him to explain himself. Then he keeps his vote there all day.

I think that I just destroyed your case.

electrical

rodent weasel

Badger

Just in case it wasn't understood

@Razorback: maybe I don't understand what you think that an easy lynch is. Make a better case if you are town, if you are scum, keep it up

@Charlie: You and razorback in the same game really makes my game play change ^.^

[mb53]

@mb53: It's LordChronos he's talking about (He forgot to correct a mistake). Regarding easy lynches, I think he's either saying he's wanting a quick lynch or go with the flow. I really doubt it's either. But I still don't like his case on LordChronos, who has clearly been contributing more then he has (Let alone Matteh).

And I don't think LordChronos is doing either a quick lynch or going with the flow here. He's been suspecting me since the moment he made is first content-filled posts. As a matter of fact, I'm starting to think that LordChronos is actually townie.

No, he is talking about charlie doing easy lynches, and he has been for the last page.

you don't you don't see the pattren that seems to be showing with up with Charlie now do you deer ? if you haven't notice he keeps jumping from player to player and now he wants a easy lynch so he can cover his role as a townie. and you wouldn't see it if you weren't looking close enough at thread to notice his actions through out the game.

i'm not in the mood to i.s.o. but i see a pattren that has become very clear to me and if nobody will listen and look for themself then that's not my problem. all you want is a easy lynch so you can look like you are town and i'm not going to give that to you charlie.

The only thing razorback got wrong was the part about charlie saying he was useless, LC said that apparently.

[mb53]

Busy day for everyone I guess.

All I can really say before more talking starts, is that razorback the scum. He has failed to defend himself well.

[mb53]

He has failed to defend himself well.

and all i can say is go ahead and lynch me. i won't flip scum no matter what the town thinks.

Seriously?...
*sigh* I am tired of people not trying hard enough in this thread.

He has the worst defenses ever.
I pretty much destroyed his case on Charlie, and he ignored that post.
I ask him to make a better case, and he fails to.
Combined with that, and Matteh's scummyness, I am forced to conclude scum.

and all i can say is go ahead and lynch me. i won't flip scum no matter what the town thinks.

What I pull from this post, is that razorback refuses to try. He makes a desperate attempt not to get lynched, by saying something similar to what CT said, and make us think that maybe I am wrong about him, and he is town like CT.

razorback, charlie is your scummiest. Who is your 2nd and 3rd choice for a lynch today?

[mb53]

Holy shit, 6 scummy votes in a row?

Reasons for voting please?

[mb53]

Mod, Shadsticle is due for a prod

So who do

you

think is scum shad?

[mb53]

5 days until deadline.

I am considering switching my vote to Super, but my case on him isn't nearly as strong as my case on razor. But then again, he is like this in most games. I hate you razor >.<

I would prefer to wait see what shad/his replacement has to say.

[mb53]

i'm a townie so go for it lynch me.

I took this as a claim.

[mb53]

Wow, something I just realized:
He has been suspecting charlie this whole time, yet is voting for super.

That is scummy, even for razor.

[mb53]

i am just ready to go to the gallows i'm not going to fight anymore i'm to tire of getting scummy slots. and you know that always seem to happens to me when i replace in.

He gave up on page 21...

[mb53]

Just by the way to everyone:

Yay shadsticle

should

be back tonight. (Newbie 935)

Also, just because you claim town multiple time doesn't mean we're convinced you are.

Well, he was sorta asked to claim again (wow, my spell checker considers sorta to be an actual word...)

i'm just siting back and watching the game

Why don't you ask to replace out or something if you don't want to play?

[mb53]

EBWOP: Yay shadsticle

should

be

is back.

[mb53]

mb53 - dislike of his earlier post switches and his case vs me (OMGUS be damned, I found his FoS = vote thing especially weak, a casual and brief fingering [ahem] should not be considered a vote or being 'on someone's bandwagon' imo)

"earlier post switches"... I don't know what that means.
My case looked better before you destroyed it >.<

[mb53]

Gah, all of a sudden I am getting a gut town feeling on Razor. Even if he is town, I sadly believe that he is the better lynch today =/

[mb53]

Oops forgot this:

What I outlined in my ISO 47. Especially if you apparently consider an FoS as good as an actual vote, it makes your vote pattern early on D2 look very opportunistic, or at leasttrying to cover every angle.

Thanks for explain, I see now. Sadly, I have to agree with you, that that is scummy >.>

[mb53]

That makes it sounds like you are claiming cop. If that isn't the case, then care to explain your actions?

[mb53]

Grr! Razorback, do you find my unvote on you to be scummy?

SSBF,give us your opinion on razorback's recent posts.

Deer:

Razorback, I have no idea what you're talking about.

So here's a bunny with a pancake on its head.

Razorback, you are very confusing.... I really can't decide if I want to lynch you or Super now D=

[mb53]

Bah
Bah (black sheep, have you any...)

[mb53]

=(

Very well played by Deer, I thought for sure he was town. Was suspicious of shad/adrien.

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/tF4X39DdVrEPb

[mb53]

Overall, I am very proud of my improvement from my first game... even if I did lose.

[mb53]

You complain too much about your name being spelled wrong... lets look at where mine was spelled wrong:

Questions by mb54:

Possibly busing super.

What makes you think this? Do you know what bussing means?

Which brings me to the possibility of a nacho-charlie scum team.

@Coach Travis & Mb50

I agree with mb50 and his comment on Coach Travis.

mb530 wrote:

@mb50:

mb50 criticism is scummy