Newbie 1060: It's a Murder Mystery (Game Over)

[mb53]

First off, my name is Sarg. No 'e'. Thanks.

Funny, people always spell mine "md53" or "mb54" etc. (mb is fine)

Second, fuck your walls. I hate walls. Walls are absolutely stupid. I will probably skim it at best.

I hate walls of paragraphs. Walls of quotes are good though =P

Third, I'm a man a few words

Wow, we have a lot in common =P. I usually will respond to things with 1 or 2 sentences, not 1 or 2 paragraphs like expected.

I usually leave my laptop on 24/7, and as such, you will see my name as browsing this forum. I'm not lurking, I'm usually either asleep, at my computer, or in class.

Same thing happens to me, which is why I have my name hidden.

Now I shall continue with the similarities by

Vote: Voided

, for talking too much in the queue.

[mb53]

Apparantly annoyed by my talking in the Newbie Queue. Do you have a problem with that?

No, but vel probably doesn't like having to scroll through extra non-relevant posts. All the pictures are kind of annoying though =P

Ah, I didn't see you there in the player list ICE. Sorry for killing you last game .

Dayvig: Sarg

Ok, done with silliness for now.

[mb53]

I disagree. I like the pictures. Adds something to an other wise pure text game. Makes Walls easier by breaking them up too.

I like pictures too, but not 10 in one post. Personally, I'm a fan of the ORLY? owl.

Seems to be laid-back

Last game he wasn't very. "Blah blah blah, theory, blah blah blah, you're scum"... etc. *shakes head*

[mb53]

Not a big fan of bandwagons at all. Usually they are filled to the brim with SCUM. So; FOS: Primate

Bandwagons are usually a good way to pressure people, and get the game started. Useful in certain times, scummy in others.

So he acted completely different last game? What was his role?

Townie.
Linkity link. Or, more specifically: ISO. He did miss RVS in that game however, so that could be the reason for his chance at silliness now.

Hopefully you guys don't post an outrageous amount of stuff for me to have to sift through.

Well based on the current speed of the game, we will probably be up to like 15 pages.

ORLY? (cwatididthur? just for you.)

<3

[mb53]

Well if you're going to kill

THAT

bandwagon,

Unvote, vote: mammut

[mb53]

Oh yeah, asking questions to figure stuff out... sooooo scummy.

[mb53]

I am comfortable with having my vote remain on mammut as he is lurkish, and because I like bandwagons early game. Based on ICE's case, snowjordan warrants and IGMEOY. I've yet to put out much content, hopefully I'll have time to make a nice post tonight/tomorrow.

mb53 hasn't reacted to much. He seems to want to be helpful, but generally stay out of things. He was much more aggressive last game, but meta can be very fail. You have to tune your approach to the people you're dealing with. In the last game, we had a good half the town lurking and a lot of stalls, so the game required aggression to keep things around. It was pro-town. Here, things are moving well enough. I'll be watching him, you should too, but he's null.

Pretty accurate actually. I like replacing into games, because I fail at finding good things to comment on in the beginning. Around page 7 or so I'll start doing well and get aggressive. Gotta watch things go down first.

[mb53]

Sarg, your case on Zensei is terrible.

His very first post accuses Voided of not "catching scum", only 1 1/2 pages in. It was also his VERY FIRST POST, so you could say he was doing the same thing he was accusing Voided of.

No, he is trying to catch scum by accusing voided...

His second post is also all questions, directed at Voided. No content or his thoughts on anyone, just questions. Why not make a post explaining any thoughts YOU have instead of asking everyone else?

Asking questions is a good thing...

Bam. Case destroyed.

[mb53]

Ok, here we go. ISO of sarg.

0. Intro
1-9. Fluffy.
10. Addresses ICE's meta, but doesn't elaborate on his thoughts of it later.
11.

How can someone be "filled to the brim" (I.E. Full) with scum if there are only 2 scum? 2/5 isn't filled to the brim

12. Unvote
13. Woohoo a little bit of content.
14-15. Calls snowjordan out for FoS
16. BS case
17. Pushes for votes on zen
18. Stupid accusation.

Fluff and a terrible case. Thats enough to earn my vote.

Vote: Sarg

Preview edit:

I never said asking questions was WRONG, but not putting his thoughts together isn't helping the town catch scum either. It gives off the vibe that he knows who is town and who is scum, and he's just asking question to see who other people think are scum, and to jump on that.

You don't seem to understand the point of questions. You ask people them. Then you decide whether how they respond is pro-town or not.

And again, accusing someone of not catching scum 1.5 pages in? Really? Pretty sure we were still in the RVS, or JUST got out of it, at that time.

Fluff

really

doesn't help town.

[mb53]

-_- why don't you guys understand?

You don't seem to understand the point of questions. You ask people them. Then you decide whether how they respond is pro-town or not.

How is he supposed to have content other than questions before he has anything to go by? And remind me again why you aren't voting for him void?

[mb53]

Really jorden? Not even going to

try

to come up with a defense?

[mb53]

And what do you think of my case on sarg? Sargs case on Zen? etc?

[mb53]

My real time thoughts while reading jordens last post:

I have no need to come up with a defense at this point. It's not like he (GreyICE) has any sort of solid evidence as to why he suspects that I'd be "scum," he just simply said that he thought my posts were fishy. Okay ..well ..cool glad you think they are fishy. It's just me being, me. I'm eccentric or whatever you want to call it. No more so then the dude who continues to post pictures in every single reply he makes.

Well, this no defense stance seems like a good defense to me, he sounds pretty relaxed.

So defense? No ..no thanks. If you guys choose to try and move forward with this lynch ..well, that's a mistake and the town will lose. If there's 2 scum and 3 townies .. and you get rid of me, that leaves it at 2 - 2 and if the scum kills one of you cause you miss a block or something, end game instantly. Wow ..that'd be smart.

Oh... well now hes freaking out and already talking about lynching after just 1 vote...

So no, no defense. No need for one. Now I'm having a cigarette break and going to bed for the night. G'day boys.

Oh, done with the post already? Not even going to respond to what I asked you?

/bad.

[mb53]

Therefore with the numbers being 3 TOWN and 2 SCUM

No. There are 9 players. 7 town, 2 scum.

Preview edit.

the concept of putting a vote on someone is to have the intent to get them lynched.

Not always. You can vote someone to g et them to post content if they are lurking, or vote someone to see a reaction and see if its scummy, etc.

Also, I believe snowjorden is using AtE as a defense (correct me if I'm wrong)? Could just be from newbieness though.

Okay, your case on Sarg.. Not real sure if it holds weight at this point. You are basically saying that because he's voting for Zen for asking questions, that makes him seem scummy.

Don't forget the fluff... Tons and tons of fluff.

ISO is when at the bottom of the page you select "Display posts by user: _________", and see all of their posts in ISOlation.

we are all three TOWN.

Which three? Sarg, you, and I? Or zen thrown in somewhere there?

Getting a townish read from jorden now.

[mb53]

Mod, I think we need some prods

I've got a new idea, will hold back for now though.

[mb53]

Or you can, you know, actually build a defense to prove to everyone your not scum?

...Nah, you're right, that's a crazy idea.

Or you can, you know, build an actual case against him, prove to everyone why he

is

scum?

....Nah, lets just pressure him into roleclaiming by yelling at him to build a defense when it is impossible to instead.

[mb53]

I think both voided and snowjordan actually came out of that argument pretty well.

I would agree, but role claims this early aren't very good.

VOTE: Unvote: vote Mhi200

Also, snowjorden seems to be painting a target on anyone who is currently or will in the future attack him. A townie should be focused on finding Maf, dying on day one as a townie is not a very big loss to the town tbh (and is very liely to happen either way)
With there only being two Maf, on the other hand, they need to focus on staying alive, and maybe cause the occasional mislynch to accelerate the process of killing off the townies. While saying there is no need for defense, snowjorden seems to be very defensive, constantly claiming town.

I'd like to know who specifically you feel snowjordan was "painting a target on". Just the people, not why at the minute (feel free to say why as well if you want).

Also, Voided's (relatively)sudden unvote seems suspicious.

Why do you feel it suspicious?

So you guys remember back when I said I had an idea? Yeah, its that mhi is scum (I wanted to see what would happen with snowjorden first though).

Too many examples of agreeing with everyone (without making it too obvious)

I agree with this.

So you never thought he was scum? =/

So mhi sees that vioded doesn't want to push a snowjorden lynch anymore. About 2 hours later, an unvote.

Also, Voided's (relatively)sudden unvote seems suspicious.

Yeah, it would draw much less attention if you unvote 6 hours after the wagon stops. Even though you still think hes scum. Mhm, just keep lying low man.

Voided is either town or quite good at this game.

Kind of taking this out of context, but I read this as a compliment to your scumbuddy (since, you know hes not town because hes your buddy or something)

[mb53]

Oops forgot

Unvote, Vote: Mhi]

[mb53]

-_- Tirple post...

Unvote Vote: Mhi

[mb53]

Anyone remember us having a wagon on Mammut? If so it was pretty lame, I didn't see any L-1.

I believe i was a L-2 vote, but then it disbanded because he stopped posting and the wagon wasn't going anywhere.

And, hi voided.

[mb53]

You didn't say anything about me in your last post.

[mb53]

Why any Mafia compliment a mafia buddy in the thread, and not in the mafia PM?

I thought there wasn't any day talk.

So you guys remember back when I said I had an idea? Yeah, its that mhi is scum (I wanted to see what would happen with snowjorden first though).

Link please?

Too many examples of agreeing with everyone (without making it too obvious)

Perhaps I just don't want to bother repeating other peoples obvious points? I don't have a lot of time to play this game(Almost none at all), except at one time of day (About the time of this post)

What does you only being able to come on once a day have to do with anything?

="Mhi"]

I think both voided and snowjordan actually came out of that argument pretty well.

I would agree, but role claims this early aren't very good.

Oh? And what about:

I read this as a compliment to your scumbuddy (since, you know hes not town because hes your buddy or something)

?

Or is that another of those ambiguous-due-to-the-fact-its-the-internet things I hate so much...?

What the hell are you talking about?

[mb53]

EBWOP

Why any Mafia compliment a mafia buddy in the thread, and not in the mafia PM?

I thought there wasn't any day talk.

So you guys remember back when I said I had an idea? Yeah, its that mhi is scum (I wanted to see what would happen with snowjorden first though).

Link please?

Right below here when you followed the obvious easy wagon

Too many examples of agreeing with everyone (without making it too obvious)

Perhaps I just don't want to bother repeating other peoples obvious points? I don't have a lot of time to play this game(Almost none at all), except at one time of day (About the time of this post)

What does you only being able to come on once a day have to do with anything?

I think both voided and snowjordan actually came out of that argument pretty well.

I would agree, but role claims this early aren't very good.

Oh? And what about:

I read this as a compliment to your scumbuddy (since, you know hes not town because hes your buddy or something)

?

Or is that another of those ambiguous-due-to-the-fact-its-the-internet things I hate so much...?

What the hell are you talking about?

[mb53]

jorden claimed VT. At like L-3. Claiming isn't really a good thing and narrows down possible power roles for scum to target.

[mb53]

I think both voided and snowjordan actually came out of that argument pretty well.

I would agree, but role claims this early aren't very good.

As in, the argument would have been good if it didn't end with a role claim. And where did he say it was a joke?

[mb53]

Well I have to disagree with ICE. I find (*scrolls up to look at name*) Oto very scummy. In fact, new #1.

Unvote, Vote: Oto

Read his posts again. See that he is pretty concerned whether people think he is pro-town or not. Only scum should really be worried about that.

In red another case of pointless aggressiveness. I don't know how you behave IRL, but I ask you to stop doing that. My post wasn't stupid, it had a purpose, and it's not because you can't understand it that it is stupid.

Funny, I thought it was pretty stupid too. Cases with something that happened in RVS are usually BS. And I don't know how whether Sarg and voided really know each other would change anything (besides, its pretty obvious they do).

Also (this is irrelevant but I wanted to comment)

Fun fact: It's actually harder to find scum in newbie games

This is very true (at least I say it is) because it is so hard to tell the difference between a scum tell or a newbie tell.

[mb53]

Two replacements on D1? This is going to be fun...

In this one-- nevermind. Damn, I hate the no talking about ongoing games rule.

[mb53]

Well, I still think zen is town. And that jorden is town. Jorden seems like the perfect wagon for scum to ride on for an easy mis lynch.

[mb53]

Lynch all lurkers !

Oh, and I forgot. I am against this.

[mb53]

Massive response/dissection of oto's last post.

Dare to do a little more to sustain your attack or are you just gonna throw a small vote in order to switch the attention towards you and me ?

Actually, the whole point of voting you was to see your reaction, rather than immediately try to lynch you.

Because that would be anti-town.

Not really.

Of course I don't want to be considered as a Mafia, but would you like to look scummy ?

Not really, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if I did. And no one was considering you as mafia when you started trying to convince everyone you were town, which implies mafia trying to not look like mafia.

Your point is fallacious and I want some proof of yours that you can do better than that

Well, personally, I think this overreaction for 1 vote adds to it.

do an ISO of my post of Mammut post if you have to, in clear be pro-active.

Maybe I will later, but I don't feel I need to right now. I'm not making a case on you, I'm trying to get reactions so that I can make a case on you.

You are an SE, which means you should have more experience than the newbies. Thus it makes perfect sense for you if you are scum to attack me.

Can't you say that about a SE attacking any newbie? Invalid point.

It's a gamble because if Snowjorden is a mafia, then a BIG FoS is coming your way from GreyICE, be assured that I will back him up in that particular case. If Snowjorden isn't scum then we will need another approach.

Scumslip? How would you know what ICE would do? Why are you talking as "we"? Scumteam?

Convenient, no ? Defending your scumbuddy without looking like you do. Saying that it's difficult to differentiate scum from newbie is a good way for you as an SE to retake a little more control of the flow of the game, that you lost since my argument with GreyICE.

What? Like seriously, what? I haven't been controlling the game ever, and I don't feel the need to either. What does your argument with ICE have to do with anything either? ???

GreyICE rebound on it whereas you didn't

Maybe I didn't because he already did?

You count on the IRL buddies to back you up (VoidedMafia and Sarg338)

Stop saying that you know what I'm thinking. Because you don't. As said before, I just poked a little vote on you without much evidence to try and get a better read on you. Even

now

I still don't want to lynch you yet, so you saying that I think voided and sarg will help kill you is stupid.

In clear I hope for you Snowjorden isn't scum otherwise you I can see the D2 win of town.

Stop lining up lynches. It isn't concrete that snow will be lynched today. And now you are saying if we do lynch him, everyone will for sure lynch me. Who's trying to control town now?

You look scummy, very scummy. And it's still D1 so even if you are not, it's better for us to lynch than the contrary.

You think its ok to lynch someone even if they aren't scum? Oh wait, you're the one who said lynch all lurkers. Easy scum tactic.

I urge VoidedMafia, Sarg338 and Mhi200 to hop on the bandwagon. If you don't want to hammer until Snowjorden repost again, that's fine.

I urge you all not to. It is still way early for a lynch, and, he is urging you to lynch him whether he is scum or not.

But right now you should be aware that both of you are having anti-town behavior. Lynching is a part of the game, and lynching a someone who is playing a dangerous game (He doesn't want to recognize the Damocles' sword upon him) is a overall good choice.

Lynch this early, I am against. Lynching isn't just part of the game, its the super important part. But what is more important is making sure you lynch the scum. And lynching someone who is "playing a dangerousness game" isn't necessarily a good choice. Lynching scum is.

This is also why, I wish Equinox could start to look for a replacement for Primate as I don't think that the attitude he displayed so far has been good enough in order for newbies to understand the game better.

Equinox can't just decide when to replace people.

Gah sorry, I thought that said should not could.

People have different views on lynch all lurkers. Personally, I think its a stupid policy. Town lurks about as much as scum does. And the goal is to lynch scum, not waste a lynch on someone who isn't helping as much as he could.

Currently, I think Oto would be the best lynch now. It is still early in the day though.

[mb53]

naming people in your quotes

At the top of my post, I said it was from you, and if you read it, it is very obviously all from you.

answer a post in its entierety rather than trying to extract particular sentences and addressing them

No, my way is much clearer as to what I am talking to. If I were to talk to your whole post without quoting, I would have no idea where to start.

Yeah, not reading someone's post addressed to you is pro town. I don't like voided's pictures, but I still read all of his posts.

No, I will not make a new post, as that one took me

so

long to make.

[mb53]

I'm perfectly fine when someone dissect my post, but not by selecting whatever he wants and ditching the rest.

I think I talked about

every sentence

. If there is something I left out, I probably felt it was irrelevant.

On which particular subject to you want me to step forward and speak ?

Everything I spoke about in my post.

I will make a organized post comparing my OP and the problematic post of mb53.

I can't wait.

Also, on defending other people. In newbie games, I don't find defending other people scummy. I made the mistake of defending someone else in my first game.

[mb53]

Can you come forward with proof that I was trying to over-protect myself from an attack ?

When you come up with a 4 paragraph response and counter attack at a 2 and a half line vote.

First one knows the complete setup, and second one is more experienced. Why is this important right now ? Because he is stalling the wagon of Snowjorden (the biggest right now) by asking me questions. In this point in the game, it is more useful for the town to corner Snowjorden and to get slips out of his text. But he doesn't do that.

1. Actually, mafia doesn't know what power roles are in the game. 2. I think snowjorden is

such

an easy target for mafia, so I would not like him to get lynched right now.

On the third answer, he seems a little mad. Yeah, I'm trying to understand what he is thinking because that's my only weapon with my vote. Sorry if I use it, maybe he doesn't want us to think for ourselves ?

You can think, but you shouldn't think as "Hey guys, hes going to try and lynch me. He is also going to try and get those two guys over there to help." Because there is absolutely no proof to that, and you are trying to read someone's mind, which unfortunately, doesn't work.

I think that the most townie behavior right now is to corner Snowjorden. Who is doing that ? Not a lot of people and I strongly regret it.

I think that is the most scummy think to do, and is an easy way or scum to get a mis lynch.

So yeah I hope he will be lynched because I think he is scum. Isn't that normal to lynch the most scummy player in the town ? One can never be (scientifically speaking) sure that someone is scum or town until the end of the game or his death, so one has to make a choice and mine is done.

Sounds like tunnel vision.

Again he is stalling the lynch which is (at least for me) anti-town at this point.

So pushing a lynch because he is scum= OK, but stopping a lynch because he is town= me being scum?

But if we don't lynch someone in D1, we will favor the Mafia very strongly.

I understand that we need to lynch on day 1, but day one has so much time left in it, I don't think there is a need to lynch ASAP. I say the opposite, lynch as late as possible.

Ok... So Sarg is the new Gandalf. Mhi the new Shotty.

But I like gandalf =) and mhi isn't as terrible as shotty.

Speaking of sarg and mhi, I would also be happy with a lynch of them, as they are also my top suspects.

[mb53]

I assume that since you voted against me, I stand in the top spot in your scum list and Sarg and mhi are just above me. Are you going to do anything to read those two or are you gonna wait until the 4th of March to move the chain ?

I'm guessing you mistyped and meant below correct? If so, you assume correctly. I'm confused with the question. By read, do you mean make a case? *confused*

[mb53]

Uhm guys?

What's with the activity?

We were doing so well.

[mb53]

Spoiler:

So, by obvious mislynch, do you mean "he's the one that we really shouldn't lynch today" or "He's certainly not going to flip the way we might expect if he's lynched"? Or some other option that I don't know of.

Obvious mislynch - the person who is town, but who is most likely to just get lynched for non-responsiveness / general newbishness.

You learn to separate them from scum eventually, but it can be a royal pain in the ass.

Exactly, you think mhi is the mislynch, I say jorden is.

After reading over SnowJordan's ISO, I'm ok with lynching him. If he flip scums, I have someone in mind who could possibly be his scum buddy.

Vote: SnowJordan

L-1.

I'm sure that "somebody" will be me.

Sarg's vote is very scummy, whether jorden is town or not. If he is town, than its a very scummy bandwagoning vote. If he is scum, this could easily be a last attempt to bus and look town since it looks like snow jorden is going to be lynched >_>

Mb53 or someone else will hammer him.

I don't plan on it.

GUYS, can we plz focus here. Serious business !

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[mb53]

Dude... You don't bus your scum buddy on Day 1 in an open set up with only 2 scum.

It has been done before.

Preview edit: Ugh, long post by jorden, don't have time, I'll comment on it next time I'm online.

[mb53]

O.o ok wow, on my last post, I didn't even realize there was a page 15. Sorry, Will read tomorrow.

[mb53]

I lied.
Don't have much to respond to though after reading that page... (Oh, and by "I lied" I mean i did it tonight instead of tomorrow) Couldn't you guys post something that I could address? Well, this is the best I can do:

EBWOP: Okay, I'm at L-2 now, apparently. Either way, working on a post starting ..now!!

You are still on L-1. LLD is having a bad trip. Sharpen you arguments well buddy.

Not real happy about this post either. It's blatant baiting. The pressure is there in the L-1, the baiting is rather unnecessary on someone who has a bit of a temper. Hmm. Do I have to rethink this town read I have?

Yes.

The probability that one of the people voting for you is a scum if you flip scum is low. Nobody sane buses in D1.

I repeat, its happened before.

=/ thats all i got.

Oh, and inb4 votecount =P

[mb53]

Well, it seems everything has stopped.

I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now, and we should get talking again.

[mb53]

GRABLACHLABLENUMUQWEVELLBXIZDOCXJDKVNFMDIERGHFNAEIVPDOL.

I hate that I was wrong.

Vote: Oto

[mb53]

GRABLACHLABLENUMUQWEVELLBXIZDOCXJDKVNFMDIERGHFNAEIVPDOL.
I hate that I was wrong.

Vote: Oto

If you hate being wrong, you should probably not vote against me. By the way you auto-vote at the beginning of the day is quite interesting considering that :

Well, it seems everything has stopped.
I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now,

and we should get talking again.

Is random vote-casting your mystical way to get people to talk ? You are right, I am so talking to you right now.

My mind has been on the marathon weekend. Expect little of anything until its over =)

[mb53]

@mb53 : Don't use that kind of arguments to elude what I said. You did the opposite of what you said you'll do and I expect better response from you. Until you explain yourself, I cast : FoS : Mb53. I am also waiting for GreyICE to deploy his arguments as he sais he would take another look at you if Snowjorden turned out to be a Mafia Goon.

... I

will

... Just wait.

[mb53]

Ok, fuck my oto read, I need to move on, especially since it is clear he won't be lynched. That being said...

Unvote, Vote: Primate

Ok, first off, you don't say anything about why you think I am scum. Your vote is just obvious bandwagoning. The only thing that you have said about me previously, is that I am scummy for having a change of heart and defending snowjorden,

which you were going to do too

. The rest of the game, you have been lurking, and providing little content.

[mb53]

I suppose it is time for me to claim.

GRABLACHLABLENUMUQWEVELLBXIZ

DOC

XJDKVNFMDIERGHFNAEIVPDOL.

I lied.

D

on't have much to respond to though after reading that page... (

O

h, and by "I lied" I mean i did it tonight instead of tomorrow)

C

ouldn't you guys post something that I could address?

[mb53]

Ok ICE. The setup is 2 Mafia goons because one was lynched, and there was still a death last night. I am the doctor, and I protected voided because everyone seemed to be in agreement he was town. Anyone want to counterclaim saying they are a cop or a doctor? If so, you can lynch me, then lynch them, and game over, town win. If not, there is no reason not to believe my claim.

[mb53]

However, if this claim IS true, that leaves the question of who you tried to save last night, assuming you weren't roleblocked. Which is apparantly me. And how do you know there's NOT a roleblocker? There could be a cop here and they roleblocked him instead of you.

There is no roleblocker because there was a kill last night.


Preview edit: They can? O.o

[mb53]

Oh, I see. Still though, anyone want to counter-claim?

[mb53]

mb53, let this be a lesson to you if you're town: Don't breadcrumb when scum is going down and then at the start of day 2. Do it in the third post of day 1 or something.

Ok... I've never played a PR before =P Even if I'm an SE, I'm still learning too.

[mb53]

Honestly, when I started bread crumbing, it was more of "I better do this just in case snowjorden

is

scum, because if he is, people are going to lynch me and I want them to believe my claim. And I guess I'll throw one in at the start of day 2 for good measure."

[mb53]

Ok, fuck my oto read, I need to move on, especially since it is clear he won't be lynched. That being said...

Unvote, Vote: Primate

Honestly, when I started bread crumbing, it was more of "I better do this just in case snowjorden

is

scum, because if he is, people are going to lynch me and I want them to believe my claim. And I guess I'll throw one in at the start of day 2 for good measure."

Or you already knew Snowjorden was scum because you are one, so you did breadcrumb in order to attempt escaping the next lynch. Plus you did a massive lobbying in oàrder to get us to believe that scum busthrow on D1. Combined with the fact you already knew the pressure were coming your way, that's a pretty scummy behavior.

This is why , I'll VOTE: Mb53. Plus I don't wanna hammer now that the game is becoming interessting and I want to see you cornered.

No... I'm not mad, I'm glad that I realized it was pointless to pursue your lynch since no one would follow (Oh, and LoL>DotA>HoN)

You guys don't seem to understand. Seriously. Scum in that situation would be much better off bussing than trying to defend...

P-Edit: Prim, I think he is talking about what I'm saying, and that scum could very possibly have bussed jorden.
But yeah oto, mhm, go ahead, keep mimicking what other people are saying.

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Voided's ISO: First off, all post numbers are wrong, because it starts at post 0 (In case of confusion). In my response, I'm using the real numbers (In case of confusion).

Post 3 and 4 are not fluff.
Oh you skipped post 5, so the numbers are correct now.

ISO 13: Tries to correct Snow on the number of people, explains another way of how voting is used, points out Sarg's fluff (some of which was with YOU, I might add) and talks about ISO, and first says Snow has a town read.

I had 2 posts of fluff. Sarg has had over 10.

ISO 19-20: Imo complains that I didn't talk about him at all when arguing with Snow or a little after that.

I wasn't complaining... You left out me in your opinions of everyone.
28 wasn't fluff, especially considering we had a small discussion after I said it.
34: Telling people to kick up the activity isn't fluff.
37 had a purpose... therefor wasn't fluff
39 isn't fluff either... I am questioning whether you know what fluff is.

Honestly, after reading your ISO on me should make me seem more of a townie than before the ISO... You didn't really point out anything scummy that I have done.

Marathon Games

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Fair enough I guess, I've been thinking of unvoting because

it's obvious we aren't going to get a majority.

Unvote

Also, Voided's (relatively)sudden unvote seems suspicious.

Yeah, it would draw much less attention if you unvote 6 hours after the wagon stops. Even though you still think hes scum. Mhm, just keep lying low man.

Orly?

Anyone remember us having a wagon on Mammut? If so it was pretty lame, I didn't see any L-1.

I believe i was a L-2 vote, but then

it disbanded because

he stopped posting and

the wagon wasn't going anywhere

.

The difference is I never thought he was scum, I just wanted a bandwagon to get the game out of RVS.

Seems a bit unconsistent, doesn't it?

[mb53]

EBWOP, Sorry.

Fair enough I guess, I've been thinking of unvoting because

it's obvious we aren't going to get a majority.

Unvote

Also, Voided's (relatively)sudden unvote seems suspicious.

Yeah, it would draw much less attention if you unvote 6 hours after the wagon stops. Even though you still think hes scum. Mhm, just keep lying low man.

Orly?

Anyone remember us having a wagon on Mammut? If so it was pretty lame, I didn't see any L-1.

I believe i was a L-2 vote, but then

it disbanded because

he stopped posting and

the wagon wasn't going anywhere

.

The difference is I never thought he was scum, I just wanted a bandwagon to get the game out of RVS.

Seems a bit unconsistent, doesn't it?

The difference is I never thought he was scum, I just wanted a bandwagon to get the game out of RVS.

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Yes, you asked what marathon games were.

Post 3 (or 4 in my ISO) is not, post 4 (5) is only if the vote is not because of RVS.

I thought it was clear that I did that to bandwagon out of RVS

What? The whole breadcrumbing thing? Doesn't seem to be much of a link beyond the fact that you apologized for what you said here in your BC post.

It was for the purpose of breadcrumbing, and apologizing for my post not having everything I wanted.

Fair enough I guess, I've been thinking of unvoting because it's obvious we aren't going to get a majority.

Maybe if you said because he is town I might believe it wasn't scummy.

[mb53]

It got quite. :*(

[mb53]

unvote, vote: oto

[mb53]

I assume you mean these two?

Wow ...this has slowed down tremendously.

It got quite. :*(

First off: snowjorden was hammered for that because he had a ton of stuff to respond to. I already responded to everything (if I missed something please direct me to it). Second, activity=good.

Ah, ICE is voting me again. For wagon hopping? First off, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has ever voted oto. Second, I gave my own reasons for voting primate, therefor I wasn't just following the (1 vote) wagon.

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Fine, fuck it, lynch me. Lynch Primate tomorrow.

[mb53]

Oto is mainly gut. So I doubt you guys will lynch him even if I do attempt to bring forth a case.

But seriously, just lynch me. I'm done with this game, just lynch me than prim.

[mb53]

Then*

Meh, I'm just sucking a lot this game.

And why I voted there... You read his post right? I don't care if it was a joke, my gut is still telling em its scummy as hell.

If I'm wrong and neither prim or oto is town.... Then I am never following my gut ever again. I was wrong with jorden gut, and gut reads last game with you ICE.

[mb53]

I'm just sick of this game, I played it very stupidly. Depressed, no. Happy, no.

[mb53]

I'm not discouraged, I just know this game is done for me. Need to move on. Oddly enough, this is like my 3rd return to the site. Each time I came back, I did worse and worse =P

I don't plan on leaving though.

Tempted to self hammer. But I won't.

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By the way, you didn't answer my question as to whether or not being the hammer vote two times consecutively is a good or bad thing.

It depends really. The game ICE and I were in, someone in town quick(ish) hammered both of the scum. But if you quick hammer two town, it can very much be a bad thing.

P-Edit: Holy crap, lots of new posts right away.

[mb53]

I've said everything I want to before this hammer.

[mb53]

Bah/Happy birthday (again) ICE!

[mb53]

At least I caught onto sarg (in the dead thread). I sucked this game, but its all good =)

[mb53]

The world may never know...