Otolia wrote:I don't know what I could be possibly scared of, nobody except you as even the small interesst so far in lynching me (Though you will probably use this post to propose that idea
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And I don't think that telling my thoughts should scare anyone. People don't like to be manipulated so my assumption is more likely to back-fire since most people won't admit to themselves such a fact. But more precisely, I had the feeling that you control what happen through your writing skills and numerous well-placed posts. It doesn't mean you are scum, but I'd like to see you more in global scum-hunting than just playing like a freelancer. That said, I can't deny that you are doing a pro-town job with me right now.
Heh, I like you already. You noticed I've been guiding the discussion, and called me on it, and then correctly judged my motives after pushing me to see what I intended. You have different reads than me, but that doesn't make me right and you wrong. Threatening people can produce results, but be careful. Especially in a newbie town it can backfire, and there's quite a few scum players who've made it a habit to try and guide the town. They typically get lynched around day 3 when someone realizes what's going on, but by then they've left such a mess that their partner (or partners, if it's not a newbie) can carry the rest of the game.
You don't seem to have that intention, you seem to want to push an agenda that's protown.
Time for some cards on the table, I owe people a reads list:
Town
Voided Mafia
I have got to admit, I've been nosing around voided for a while, trying to suss him out. However, he's very, very linear and does not like to question what's beneath the surface. Voided, be careful with that. That's going to KILL you in LyLo situations, since LyLo is where everything becomes a total mess. To quote the wiki, frequently the way to find scum in 3 man LyLo is to vote for the person you think is most town. Things become much, much weirder. Question assumptions. Question everything. If you think someone is scum, stop, reread, ask yourself what's going on and what else is sliding. This is a game of total deception - wipe your slate blank. If you say "Olivia is def. town" stop, reread, and imagine Olivia is scum. If you see 3 people of varying degrees of scumminess posting a lot, and 1 person who you haven't seen much of, but seems vaguely town, stop, reread, ask where they are. Watch our bandwagons. We haven't had a competitor to the SnowJordan wagon. If it's a scum wagon, why? Are they that ineffective? Is he being bussed? Is he town and they're content to let him be mislynched? Watch frequent V/LAs. Tunnel only to the extent necessary.
Also, read more, write less. One effective paragraph is worth more than an entire wall. I've nearly gotten someone lynched before with a three sentence post (I'll link to the game when it's over).
Sarg
His posting is just too natural. Too, too natural. For a newbie, that's very hard to fake. Try faking jokes and banter when you have to fake scumhunting and fake town reads. This takes an accomplished poster. You have great Town instincts, and I am quite willing to bet that you're horrible obvscum when you pull the scum PM. If you've managed to fake me out, that's incredible.
Leaning Town
Otolia
Yeah, you got there in less posts than anyone except Sarg. And you're a good player. Please stick around, you will be a lot of fun. I appreciate how much effort you put into replacing in. This is not buddying, feel free to keep thinking of me as scum
If you're scum, you probably have the best scumgame out of anyone here. That doesn't make you scummy, FYI, it just means you get more scrutiny than, say, Sarg.
Zensei
I stand by what I said before. We called him on not liking his "scummy" playing style, and he explained what he was doing, and told us he didn't find any advantage to altering his playstyle to make us happy. That is such a goddamn town response. Good scum can fake it, bad scum can insult you and yell at you, or start apologizing. I'm gonna just drop him in the town bucket.
Meh
(yes, this is a category)
mb53
Townish, with ONE caveat - he's never parked his vote on SnowJordan, and
ISO #12 reads like an ugly piece of distancing with no vote switch. At the time of that, he was voting for Sarg. In fact, he floats off Snow fairly quickly and goes after Mhi. This is still townish behavior due to Mhi's posts - unless Snow flips scum. Then he needs a SERIOUS second look.
Primate
I typically don't like to lynch the IC on day 1 because first, I think the play experience is worse for everyone, and second, the IC is under pressure that usually only scum is under - they have to alter their playstyle to guide newbies through the town. He has a lot of power to push the discussion in certain directions, which can wreck the play experience, and kill the town. Even if he's right, he gets NKed night 1/2, and then the town is left without any real leadership. Plus, townies turn on ICs that have mislead them - they're more experienced. They should know whether the person was scum! So they alter their playstyle and filter their opinions in a way that's going to make them scummy.
Fun fact: It's actually harder to find scum in newbie games. You're ALL slightly scummy to very, very scummy. (well, except Olivia). And this? This is
one of the best newbie towns I've ever seen.
You have no idea how bad it can get.
That being said, LUUUURRRRRKKKKKKK
Scummy
Mhi200
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2799983
Goddamn it that post just tells me he hasn't been reading the game. Could mean he's really bad at scumhunting. Could mean he already knows who the scum is, and doesn't need to read. His lack of jumping to defense of SnowJordan, or anything really related to Snow could be distancing. And it could be newbieness.
Scummy scum
Snowjordan
My initial impression of him trying to fit in stands. My impression of him being insanely defensive and threatening the town (if you lynch me, you lose!) stands. Since the wagon on him died down, he's been lurking - he hasn't made a real post since thursday. I really want to know why he comes off well to primate, because that just hurts me inside.