You are not the one targeted here, I want a proof by Sarg that you know each other from that game. You defend someone that might use your friendship as a cover for scuminess (no offense here). You attitude in this answer is overall counter productive for the town. And btw, I can't find anyone (neither you nor Sarg there)Voidedmafia wrote: Well, how do you want to to prove he knwos me? I mean, Parama, Sarg, and I know each from scorehero.com, and if you look over some of our conversations in the newbie queue, you can see that we're talking about an even on that forum (namely Scorehero Mafia, which I believe is a kind of open game).
If anything, just go to http://www.scorehero.com and look up Sarg338 (I think) and Voidedalive2x.
You are gullible, you accepted the proof of GeryICE far too easily. And though you are being overall Pro-Town, that was not the thing to do. You gave up your clue far too easily. It was D1 so you have to pressure someone hard to get things going.Voidedmafia wrote: HEY! I take offense at being gullible!
My synthesis work isn't finished, and the one I have been particularly monitoring are Sarg338, VoidedMafia, Snowjorden and Primate. This is why I didn't elaborate that much on you, Zensei, Mhi, and mb. Don't worry that will come.GreyICE wrote:Do elaborate some here. You listed two things that aren't pro-town, and then said "probably town." I can't help feeling something is missing from your reads.mb53
Bad habit of masking the OP in his quote. That isn't pro-town.
Seems in control of the game (SE)
Probably town
And why don't you feel the need not to answer it ? Aura of Sanctity ? If that's the case you have the same defense as snowjorden as in here And if you remember well, you would have notice that you did point that scummy behavior of snowjorden yourself.GreyICE wrote:I don't really feel the need to answer it. I've made my points and made my suggestions, but at no point do I think I'm really trying to lead the town around by the nose or something.Otolia wrote:My synthesis work isn't finished, and the one I have been particularly monitoring are Sarg338, VoidedMafia, Snowjorden and Primate. This is why I didn't elaborate that much on you, Zensei, Mhi, and mb. Don't worry that will come.
In the mean time, you could have notice that I also describe you as "being in control of the game" which you didn't feel to answer.
In any case, I'm just wondering what your thought processes were, because I find your reads very interesting.
Sarg338 wrote:Oh, and I RVS'd Voided because... well, it was RVS and I knew him from Scorehero. Keep it cool buddy !
But VoidedMafia isn't the one suspected here, my reasoning is : you RVS your buddy knowing that it won't have any consequences. After the RVS you Unvote and wagonned Zensei, vote that you cancelled because of his absence. Vote-hopping ? Wish Wash ?Voidedmafia wrote:And I did likewise for the very same reason.
Where did you read that I can assemble 5 votes ? Don't transform my writings. I mean what I said as : " Do you want to be the one that I targeted ? " Question that you don't answer once again. Counter-attacking with questions is fine but sometimes it doesn't work.GreyICE wrote:Hmm. I am the one running the town, yet you are telling me that you can assemble five votes to lynch me if I don't start behaving the way you want. Do you suppose that this should scare town? Is it because you are scared of it yourself?Otolia wrote:And why don't you feel the need not to answer it ? Aura of Sanctity ? If that's the case you have the same defense as snowjorden as in here And if you remember well, you would have notice that you did point that scummy behavior of snowjorden yourself.
Were you wondering or are you still wondering ? The only thing you can read from what I posted is that I am pro-active which is in every case mostly Pro-Town. I made a small synthesis, pick the most scummy and work to get him lynch. But you maybe want to take Snowjorden's place on the lynching seat ?
I don't know what I could be possibly scared of, nobody except you as even the small interesst so far in lynching me (Though you will probably use this post to propose that ideaGreyICE wrote:Hmm. I am the one running the town, yet you are telling me that you can assemble five votes to lynch me if I don't start behaving the way you want. Do you suppose that this should scare town? Is it because you are scared of it yourself?
)Since it's a question, I should answer it : Yes, a lynch requires 5 votes.GreyICE wrote:I am assuming that still requires five votes? You and four others?
RVS can have consequences, but you didn't go further than that, thus you seems more like a scum.Sarg338 wrote:Is RVS suppose to have consequences? It was a random vote on someone I know from another site.Your case on that is just stupid.
Sarg338 wrote:Wish-washy? No. zensei is V/LA, so I took my vote off him. Problem?
As you wish.Sarg338 wrote:I posted a link to both of our accounts. If you don't take that as proof, then so be it. I have no reason to go through the site and find a topic where we both posted in. look for it yourself if you really need to see one.
Dare to do a little more to sustain your attack or are you just gonna throw a small vote in order to switch the attention towards you and me ? Because that would be anti-town. Right now the best for us is to lynch the scummiest. As any Town, I am concerned with looking transparent. I have answered to each questions asked, done my best to explain myself. Of course I don't want to be considered as a Mafia, but would you like to look scummy ? Your point is fallacious and I want some proof of yours that you can do better than that - as in : do an ISO of my post of Mammut post if you have to, in clearmb53 wrote:Well I have to disagree with ICE. I find (*scrolls up to look at name*) Oto very scummy. In fact, new #1.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Oto
Read his posts again. See that he is pretty concerned whether people think he is pro-town or not. Only scum should really be worried about that.
Convenient, no ? Defending your scumbuddy without looking like you do. Saying that it's difficult to differentiate scum from newbie is a good way for you as an SE to retake a little more control of the flow of the game, that you lost since my argument with GreyICE. You can't have possibly miss what I said about you and that GreyICE rebound on it whereas you didn't : Instead you attacked me. You count on the IRL buddies to back you up (VoidedMafia and Sarg338) that is a good tactic as a scum because being newbies they are more hesitant to make up their minds (I agree with this post from GreyICE) In clear I hope for you Snowjorden isn't scum otherwise you I can see the D2 win of town.mb53 wrote:Also (this is irrelevant but I wanted to comment)This is very true (at least I say it is) because it is so hard to tell the difference between a scum tell or a newbie tell.Fun fact: It's actually harder to find scum in newbie games
Seriously ? I'm not into pity that much, and I still consider you should be aware of your situation. I don't think that due to the current situation LLD, GreyICE or me will change our mine on your case. You look scummy, very scummy. And it's still D1 so even if you are not, it's better for us to lynch than the contrary. I urge VoidedMafia, Sarg338 and Mhi200 to hop on the bandwagon. If you don't want to hammer until Snowjorden repost again, that's fine. But right now you should be aware that both of you are having anti-town behavior. Lynching is a part of the game, and lynching a someone who is playing a dangerous game (He doesn't want to recognize the Damocles' sword upon him) is a overall good choice.snowjorden wrote:For those who wanted me prodded, well I've been prodded. That being said, I usually only get to see my 3 year old little boy on the weekends as his mother and I don't live together and she usually doesn't let me have him much. I've had him since last night though cause she came down with the flu (due to the fucked up weather here in the midwest the past week or so) ..with that now being known, I'm still active. I will be active. I will be playing. But I won't be on here as much as I was the past couple days. I haven't even read the past like 3 pages of this game, because I simply haven't had the time to. I've logged in, scanned the game to see if I'd been lynched or if I needed to put him down in front of Spongebob and put up a new defense, so far so good. Besides this new "Lady Lambdadelta" being on my ass. But at least for now I'm still in safe range.
So yeah, I'll be fully in with the game by Sunday. Less then 48 hours from this post actually. So no need to prod me again.
mb53 wrote:Oh, and I forgot. I am against this.Lynch all lurkers !
When you will have the decency to answer a post in its entierety rather than trying to extract particular sentences and addressing them to enhance your point of view and naming people in your quotes, I will come up with a answer to your post. In the mean time, I won't waste my time on you.mb53 wrote:[...]
What points ? Problem is he avoided himself in the first place a post of mine addressing some of his previous behavior. I am willing to comment any given point YOU want me to answer but I won't do it for him since HE, in the first place ignored mine. Fair is fair, don't you think ? However I can understand that my post wasn't very clear on which case I felt need to be answered, and I will useLady Lambdadelta wrote:Otolia wrote:When you will have the decency to answer a post in its entierety rather than trying to extract particular sentences and addressing them to enhance your point of view and naming people in your quotes, I will come up with a answer to your post. In the mean time, I won't waste my time on you.mb53 wrote:[...]
Why can't someone be allowed to dissect your post line by line?
I agree, it's tedious, but it does yield good info.
More interesting is how you're using this as a way to avoid answering to any of the points raised.
I indeed meant below. Make a case, an attempt to read their behavior or whatever suits you to move the chains on their case since you said that it was still too early to lynch me. I assume that either you need more information on my case or you will focus on another target.mb53 wrote:I'm guessing you mistyped and meant below correct? If so, you assume correctly. I'm confused with the question. By read, do you mean make a case? *confused*I assume that since you voted against me, I stand in the top spot in your scum list and Sarg and mhi are just above me. Are you going to do anything to read those two or are you gonna wait until the 4th of March to move the chain ?
Observing == LurkingVoidedmafia wrote:I've simply been observing, is all.
By the way, Otolia, on post 276 you mentioned that "both of you are showing anti-town behavior after urging Sarg, mhi, and myself to join Snow's wagon. Were you referring to use or mb and LLD/GreyICE? If it's the latter, then must I assume you meant all three of us?
I'm glad that someone is showing a clear mind here. Primate had nothing to the game, and Snowjorden is your teaching-book obvious wagon escaper.GreyICE wrote:See, all this jibber-jabber we're doing in the thread? It has very little effect on scumteams frequently. You need some serious wagons to build up some serious pressure before you get anything out of them.
Primate's shift to Mhi was extremely subtle, yet very effective. It's exactly what I was looking for if SnowJordan was scum.It's insane to bus on day 1, so the partner is almost always going to run interference if there isn't a wagon showing up. If no interference showed up and no one tried to go "look at shiny person X" then the wagon is almost certainly a town wagon. His last post basically confirmed it to me. Look at how many strong, firm positions he takes.
Finally ! If he flips scum, we will have to wait until the NK to see things clearer. I think that due to the prod and the L-1, we should get more infos on him.Sarg338 wrote:After reading over SnowJordan's ISO, I'm ok with lynching him. If he flip scums, I have someone in mind who could possibly be his scum buddy.
Don't hammer him yet. We need to get him to talk. If he eludes again, then yes one of you should hammer, though I guess that in this case, Mb53 or someone else will hammer him.Voidedmafia wrote:I guess you're waiting for me or mhi to post the hammer? We still need to wait for Jorden to post, and actually claim this time.
Lol ! You seem rather not sure whether I'm Orto or Oto or Otolia, if I'm female or male. So this goes to all of you :Primate wrote:Otolia
Very sure Oto is town. Very transparant posting.
Posting views on all townies when not under pressure to do so is town, and the fact thatsheis finding more people scummy than town speaks well, as generally scum set more people aside as town than scum. I like the fact thathewasanalabout knowing whether Sarg and Void had worked together previously, as I feel that that kind of conspiracy forming is town. I also really like the move to end the day as soon as he enters. It's an incredibly easy pattern for scum to fall into, extending the end of of a day for the sake of it, and arguing for quick end isn't something townies do often. His attack on MB53 is plausible, and I really like the opinion that MB53 is using SE status to make people more uncomfortable in their own reads. I don't agree with it, but it's a clever thing to think and implies the thought behind. I also liked the offhand dismissal of the MB53 rebuttal to his argument, as he is obviously active, so the fact he was willing to do that showed confidence in his views and his position indicative of town.
Quoting this just for comment. Orto, it's a big failing of mafia players in general to assume that people are going to read out of their posts everything they put into them. There's nothing wrong with putting that stuff in there but, don't get pissy when they don't see it and it was important, becuase it happens to us all.[color=#000080]orto[/color] wrote:In red another case of pointless aggressiveness. I don't know how you behave IRL, but I ask you to stop doing that. My post wasn't stupid, it had a purpose, and it's not because you can't understand it that it is stupid.
Would you mind explaining your reasoning behind my scumbuddiness ? Because I launch the train of Snowjorden after you all get frisky about it ?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:K. I want Snowjorden lynched today.
If he flips scum, Oto is scum buddy.
If he flips town, I'm calling Sarg and Mhi200 scum.
Do an ISO. I never changed my vote since I replaced mammut. I also stated that I wanted answers from Snowjorden who didn't feel like it. If you really don't wanna see your mistake here, I will prove it to you.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Sure thing Oto. You were on that wagon for a long time now. It wasn't taking off until replacements came in and voted in it.
Now that it's being considered the best lynch for today, you hop off it and start attacking anyone BUT snow.
Seems to me like the scum buddy doesn't want to bus his friend day 1. I wouldn't.
If I am not mistaken, GreyICE already said that you were very linear and thus easily readable for experienced players. I guess it's the same for Primate.Voidedmafia wrote:In any case, I would like you to explain your read on me, Primate. No sense in giving opinions (content-laden or not) on everyone else and then just skipping over me. In fact, one could think it'd be pretty suspicious to just tread over me like that.
I didn't unvote him, I asked for a prod. Do a ISO, if you are not happy, but you are quite ridiculous on this one.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Otolia wrote:Do an ISO. I never changed my vote since I replaced mammut. ILady Lambdadelta wrote:Sure thing Oto. You were on that wagon for a long time now. It wasn't taking off until replacements came in and voted in it.
Now that it's being considered the best lynch for today, you hop off it and start attacking anyone BUT snow.
Seems to me like the scum buddy doesn't want to bus his friend day 1. I wouldn't.also stated that I wanted answers from Snowjorden who didn't feel like it. If you really don't wanna see your mistake here, I will prove it to you.
So you think the best way to get answers from Snowjorden is to... Unvote him?
I don't know how you can hope to be followed if all you do is saying that people are wrong in their thinking. Convince them instead. What you did there was not convincing.snowjorden wrote:It might look incredibly scummy of me to vote for VoidedMafia, but it was in fact not, nor was it an OMGUS vote. I felt that if he was that hard-up for trying to get me lynched and push a case against me, he must have something of his own to hide. I know my alignment, therefore I know that I'm town. I don't know anyone else's, but am smart enough to realize that the SCUM do know who each other are and who the town people are. Therefore with the way VoidedMafia came at me so hard, it led me to believe he was a SCUM player. So, I wanted to put a vote in on him.Sarg338 wrote:Snowjordan's vote on Voided looks INCREDIBLY scummy, and an OMGUS vote. No matter how many times you say it isn't, that doesn't make it true.Hoping others might agree with my thinking and follow suit.As we can see now, nearly 7 pages after my vote that's not the case.
And again you have nothing to add to your defense. Claiming that we are wrong isn't getting you anywhere. And nobody ask you to prove but to convince, which again you don't.snowjorden wrote:Welcome to the game, first off. Second, let me dive right into your overall analysis you made, specifically towards me. Lame arguments? Fair enough. Poor defense because I claimed? I was only using the claim as a way to show that at this point in a game, there's really no way to prove innocence. It's one word against another. There's no evidence from write-ups to quote and go on. There's nothing. There's simply people and their thoughts or ideas. You call it lame and poor. I call it realistic. Because fact is, there's no way to prove anything at this point. Just like right now, with the fact I'm sitting at L-2 (or was when writing this part of my post) ..I can't do much to defend what others think. I can warn them that they are wrong in their thinking. You are wrong in your thinking. But I can't really offer much that would help sway your opinion.Otolia wrote:Snowjorden
Overall newbie plays of Scum : Lame arguments, poor defense because he claims ...
SCUM - Priority number 1
The probability that one of the people voting for you is a scum if you flip scum is low. Nobody sane buses in D1. However since your lynch crystallize the attention right now, your alignment (if you are lynch today) will give us precious informations.snowjorden wrote:Which is why I think some people currently voting for me need to be looked at closer, instead of just blindly following their lead.mb53 wrote:Well, I still think zen is town. And that jorden is town. Jorden seems like the perfect wagon for scum to ride on for an easy mis lynch.
How can you possibly say that I modified your sayings ? You maybe didn't want us to pity you but you give us an excuse to stall your lynch, which I don't like so I said that I'm not into pitying you because you have things to do.snowjorden wrote:I wasn't asking for pity, I was explaining why I wasn't posting. Is it really that necessary to twist my words? Weren't you the one who complained about that being done to you? (here - something about "Don't transform my writings.") Okay, I wasn't asking for pity. I don't understand how you could think "you look scummy, very scummy so even if you are not, it's better for us to lynch you than the contrary."Otolia wrote:Seriously ? I'm not into pity that much, and I still consider you should be aware of your situation. I don't think that due to the current situation LLD, GreyICE or me will change our mine on your case. You look scummy, very scummy. And it's still D1 so even if you are not, it's better for us to lynch than the contrary. I urge VoidedMafia, Sarg338 and Mhi200 to hop on the bandwagon. If you don't want to hammer until Snowjorden repost again, that's fine. But right now you should be aware that both of you are having anti-town behavior. Lynching is a part of the game, and lynching a someone who is playing a dangerous game (He doesn't want to recognize the Damocles' sword upon him) is a overall good choice.
Okay ..agreed it's better to NOT let a member of the SCUM team survive, but it's NEVER better to lynch a member of the TOWN. With 2 scum, the most possible kills SCUM could have is 1, so if no one is lynched, SCUM kills 1 town so town is just down 1 player. If we lynch a member of the TOWN, and they kill a member of the town, we are down 2. How the hell is it good to lynch a member of the TOWN?You have horrible reasoning and thinking.
You can rethink whatever floatsyour boat buddy ^^ And yeah I was baiting because I was closely watching his presence in the forum. At the time of the post, he wasn't there so I did a little taunting.GreyICE wrote:Not real happy about this post either. It's blatant baiting. The pressure is there in the L-1, the baiting is rather unnecessary on someone who has a bit of a temper. Hmm. Do I have to rethink this town read I have?Otolia wrote:You are still on L-1. LLD is having a bad trip. Sharpen you arguments well buddy.snowjorden wrote:EBWOP: Okay, I'm at L-2 now, apparently. Either way, working on a post starting ..now!!
It's because you don't know what hydra is that you think GreyICE want him out because of his writing style. Hydra-ing (... quite hard to build a ver with that) is a technique consisting on playing a game with 2 persons (or more) on the same account.Voidedmafia wrote:Also, what IS hydrad?
mb53 wrote:Well, it seems everything has stopped. I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now, and we should get talking again.
Otolia wrote:Since I have already expressed my views on Snowjorden, I'd like for Voidedmafia, Mhi200, Primate and Mb53 if he wants to, to analyze this post as well as this one and this one of Snowjorden (if you want to use other posts, feel free to do so) In particular, I want to see your views on :
1. His point of view on the town in general.
2. The risk/reward ratio of him being a mislynch in D1.
3. His defense in general.
I hope that with a good analysis you can provide yourself enough content to decide what you wanna do with him.
If you hate being wrong, you should probably not vote against me. By the way you auto-vote at the beginning of the day is quite interesting considering that :mb53 wrote:GRABLACHLABLENUMUQWEVELLBXIZDOCXJDKVNFMDIERGHFNAEIVPDOL.
I hate that I was wrong.
Vote: Oto
Is random vote-casting your mystical way to get people to talk ? You are right, I am so talking to you right now.mb53 wrote:Well, it seems everything has stopped.
I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now,and we should get talking again.
Come on, buddyGreyICE wrote:And... I do listen to the dead, FYI.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:K. I want Snowjorden lynched today.
If he flips scum, Oto is scum buddy.
That was a huge misunderstanding. Re-read again our argument and you will see that she accused me of changing my vote, which I didn't do.Don't be mistaken, killing scum in D1 is great but it can lead us straight to a LyLo in a D4. We have to pay attention for now, take our time to lynch the scummiest and wait for more input from our Power Role. Also now pay attention to possible breadcrumb as it might help us greatly.Voidedmafia wrote:In any case, we have plenty of time with a 6-1 town:scum ratio right out of D1.
mb53 wrote:Ok, fuck my oto read, I need to move on, especially since it is clear he won't be lynched. That being said...
Unvote, Vote: Primate
Or you already knew Snowjorden was scum because you are one, so you did breadcrumb in order to attempt escaping the next lynch. Plus you did a massive lobbying in oàrder to get us to believe that scum busthrow on D1. Combined with the fact you already knew the pressure were coming your way, that's a pretty scummy behavior.mb53 wrote:Honestly, when I started bread crumbing, it was more of "I better do this just in case snowjordenisscum, because if he is, people are going to lynch me and I want them to believe my claim. And I guess I'll throw one in at the start of day 2 for good measure."
You always found ways to get people on their nerves, do you ? Right now, I kinda despise you.mb53 wrote:No... I'm not mad, I'm glad that I realized it was pointless to pursue your lynch since no one would follow (Oh, andLoL>DotA>HoN)
But yeah oto, mhm, go ahead,keep mimicking what other people are saying.
I was truly pissed off by what Mb53 said. However I find it appropriate to turn the things arund and use it against him, which worked great since he is getting emo. Not that I gained anything from that apart for small hints. And don't be mad over fluff, they are part of the game. IMO you shouldn't AT ALL consider that I'm frustrated, had what I want fron this situation and you obviously don't since you are still mumbling over it yet again (2nd or 3rd post commenting it)Voidedmafia wrote:Oto sounds more like a frustrated town, if not frustrated null. But I HATE this stupid tangent about LoL and DotA and HoN.
Of course you were wrong, I am perfectly innocent. I did kinda screw up in D2 with Mb53 and couldn't backpedal since that would be scummy. But remember that I was the first one to vote against Snowjorden and I didn't change my vote after that. So I called the first scum out !Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Well... I was wrong about Otolia... but I did call Sarg in the Dead Topic.
-shrug- Good Job Town :3
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