Newbie 1087: Welcome To The Jungle (Game Over)

[Twistedspoon]

hello guys

I've woken up today and apparently I'm in this game :s

anyways, nice to meet you all

@mod: why do we have 4 SEs?

[Twistedspoon]

And so you fall right into line with my Xanatos gambit.

oh noes, another tvtroper :0

Alternatively: KittyMo's a sparkly, glittering, cute little kitty. Why would you ever want to kill her? SCUM!

Emotional blackmail eh? I like this wagon already

Cuz I'm town.

lsdfkjmfkcvl;
*rage*

no need to claim on L-4 Compadré

well, not as town anyways

VOTE: Frost

[Twistedspoon]

Thats ok i will stick with my rand till i find someone better.

don't let RF influence you 0:

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So it doesnt matter if i get lynched aslong as town beats scum right.

all townies win when all scum are lynched, even the dead ones. Still, you shouldn't not fear the lynch because of that if you are town

Twisted is town, hooray!

from 3 posts of mine
that was quick

But yeah, I'll say it is hard to imagine DBE being town :p
Have I mentioned how she made me lose my first ever newbie game by breaking the golden rule of lylo?
Oh, and for the purposes of my wiki page, DBE doesn't/didn't exist in this game. I am not a replacing in player; i was here from the start

[Twistedspoon]

What'chu gonna do about it even if I do?

what is this i don't even

stop confusing the town with your... confusing ways

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nah, I'm still feeling the ray wagon myself

toxic is just messing around; he can't know anything extra anyways

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Vote: tylerjarvis

Scum.

o rly?

VOTE: RayFrost

You know more than Ray does?

I just don't think scum would be stupid enough to say 'no, I know he's not scum'
However, I admit that's a wifom reason

therefore I approve of the toxic wagon. However, I'm still cool with the frost one for now (cool, frost geddit? xp)

anyways, you might want to explain yourself, toxic

[Twistedspoon]

RayFrost was doing it, nobody cared. I do it and I have to explain myself? That doesn't make sense.

Nice logical fallacy there; Tu Quoque I believe

and yes it does make sense
you showed knowledge of only something scum would have.

I also like how you call me scum yet don't vote; that's because you know I'm not

VOTE: Toxic
one down

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@mod: tylerjarvis and ajolin prods please. They have yet to post

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pedit: Changing quotes is scummy.

true, but jindori's was hardly subtle was it

I'm not going to actually believe that toxic said 'I am scum' despite how confusingly he's played so far

but yeah, misquoting isn't the most pro-town thing to do. I'll let him off this once since it's a newbie game and it was an obvious misquote

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You say that like I was the only one.

"well frosty did it too" *walks off*

yeah, that hardly stops you from being scum now does it?

Mudslinging = scumtell

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Twisted, why did you answer something that was obviously aimed at jindori? On that note, what do you think of jindori so far?

I didn't know it was aimed at him

anyways my read on him is between null and newb-town (which isn't a bad thing)

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Actually, I'm fairly sure Tu Quoque Is more of a "You are a hypocrite, so anything you say is automatically wrong." He was saying that because RayFrost was doing it without consequence that he could do it as well. Similar logical fallacies, but not exactly the same.

naw, Tu Quouqe is latin for 'you too'

he was jusifying his actions on the basis that Rayfrost had also done similar

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...Is all of this serious? If so, could you please elaborate on your second...err, statement.

Rayfrost claimed on l-4

there was really no need for a townie to do so, just paranoid mafia

Did you know that at any given time there exists a pair of antipodal points on the earth with the exact same temperature and barometric pressure?

nope, but it sounds interesting

[Twistedspoon]

'cuz I'm town' has no weight in a game of mafia

there was no reason to tell us that you're town so early unless you're paranoid scum

on a new topic, what is your opinion on toxic?

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This post is saying "I disagree with the reason you find this person scummy but I approve of his wagon... I'm gonna stick with this bigger one for now, though" - Nice Keeping Your Options Open, Scum.

how Am i keeping my options open?

my vote

is

on toxic, whose wagon i approved of

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anyways, there's nothing wrong with saying that i find 2 players scummy, but one more scummy than the other

if that's keeping my options open then why not?

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i like how your last 4 posts have been calling for my wagon yet you don't even vote me yourself

Hippocracy there for you

you clearly want other townies to lynch me so you can keep your hands clean after my lynch becuase you know I'll be flipping town, scum

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dekes, what is your view on this joker?

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Choo-choo on teh spoon.

this is calling for my wagon mate; you're asking others to vote for me on a 'wagon train'

and actually i spelt hipocracy correctly, although your American spelling is probably different to the UK one

other townies? I meant townies as in townspeople if you prefer it that way.

Eh? Could've sworn I had voted....

Oldest trick in the scumbook. Looking to keep your hands clean should i flip town and using the two excuses of yours:
'I could've sworn'
and
'Cuz I'm town'

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So who in your opions scummier ray or toxic.

toxic obviously

unlike ray i actually vote for my top scumread

ray's just annoying me, that's all. We'll see how toxic flips first before i make any dramatic conclusions about ray.

ray defended toxic for mudslinging, so a toxic scumflip would incriminate ray.

toxic is today's lynch in my eyes

[Twistedspoon]

eta?

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we're not in RVS

toxic's folly has made his wagon no longer 'random'

[Twistedspoon]

A wise choice.

fence sitting is hardly a wise choice

[Twistedspoon]

touché

but i though you said you understood the reasons behind toxic?

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there was no reason to tell us that you're town so early unless you're paranoid scum

This is a lie, because if you really believed that you would be voting him and not asking him apathetic questions and voting someone else.

something is a lie because I don't believe it myself?
That's interesting logic.

I find toxic scummier at the moment. That's all

It's bad play to attack players because they annoy you. I understand that if players annoy you, it's more difficult to read them, but there's no reason to be making such silly statements as you're making.

my statements aren't silly

'my logic doesn't revolve around 'cuz I'm town' as another player's does

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Something I remembered while I was here: there's still a difference between my lack of vote and your initial lack of vote on toxic aside from the fact I forgot to vote in contrast to your actively not voting. You don't have any people voting you (Aside from me). Toxic did.

I initially didn't vote toxic

he bacame scummier

then i did vote toxic

simples.

I still think toxic is scum and would be very pleased with his lynch today.

i still don't know why you claimed town unprovoked on l-4 though

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i take it very seriously

I'm playing to win, not let jokers get off the hook for being scummy by not being serious

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so here's the paths in my eyes

twisted roles scum vote day 1/2 rayfrost roles scum day 1/2
vote ajolin or i day 2/3 vote toxic
vote ajolin day 3/4

what the-

you can't just line up lynches like that

things happen and this is an awful way to play mafia

set out 4 lynches after 7 pages. Madness

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basically, lining up lynches is inherently anti-town, as is role speculation

I've got my eye on you (or IGMEOU as we call it in non-newbie games )

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Input by Toxic and Twisted is in order, I think we all agree on that. Also, jindori seems to be slipping under the radar.

c'mon i posted only yesterday

anyways, i still think toxic is scum, even after his last post omgus of me where he doesn't even say why he thinks I'm scummy

the things he said...
I just can't buy the excuse

It makes no sense for town


I'd wager my (game)life that toxic will be flipping scum

I agree with David Xanatos. I don't like how he's dropped off the radar.

gah

I posted just yesterday. How is that dropping off of the radar >_>

balme my timezone if you'd like.

[Twistedspoon]

V/LA for a day would be pointless

but just so you know I'll be V/LA from thursday if you'd like

I'd wager that you'll be flipping scum. Toxic'll flip town.

we'll see

[Twistedspoon]

Beside, I just gave IMO a pretty good case against you, and you pretty much were ignoring it by not being here. There's no reason for you to just not show up like that, and you didn't have V/LA, either.

which post is this? I'll look back at it

but it's hardly my fault that i wasn't here during some parts of yesterday and I've been gone for less than a day, so I'm hardly being unreasonable

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verification I was looking for

If i started answering the wrong post i'd have wasted quite a bit of time

post 190 answer no. 2 correct?

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Also, Twisted's remark about the confusion in #49, then moving to saying it's just messing with us here and THEN suddenly turning around 180^o in #54 just isn't right.

well it is right

the post before I voted had toxic saying 'two wrongs make a right guys'
no they don't toxic
I voted for him then

Twisted himself points out what Ray and Jindori were doing near the end of page one, but acts like that doesn't matter in lieu of what Toxic did, even though Toxic arguably did less than Ray and Jindori as far as looking scum goes. Twisted both points out and disregards his hypocrisy at the same time, not even bothering to admit that he should've put those two on the spot for similar reasons.

toxic mudslinged simple as

and it's hardly hiopcrisy. I never misquoted or made remarks that only scum would know of myself

I can be quite aggressive when I think i have a lead when I'm scumhunting. Some players interpret that as scum flailing or somesuch but that doesn't do them any favours usually. Especially not when I'm town

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And you're a hypocrite for doing it, by not advocating the same accusations (sans the tu quoque argument) against Ray in the process.

that's because my case isn't on ray, but toxic

why should i mention him when trying to justify my toxic vote?

hippocrazy

[Twistedspoon]

i never said you were confirmed scum

but you seem like it to me

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also, I've played 6 games, 2 completed (Newbies 10060 and 1065), 4 ongoing. I'm alive in all but one (my mini normal). Of the two completed, one I played all the way through as town, the other I replaced in as scum (Zor was in the replaced-in game, so that pretty much made me lose)

well if we're talking about past games;

I've played 2 newbie games before. Both as town. Both lynched d1 (or I would have in 1050 had i not claimed doc)
my first ever game as scum just ended too today. My first ever win in a mafia game and a perfect sweep

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i thought waiting for 9000 newbie games seemed a while :p

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eh i rush my posts all the time

I guess that explains a lot

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bah post time and boy do i have one >_>

didn't even let me claim did you. It's common courtesy, but no. Lynching the cop is fine with you i guess

not sure how much I'm allowed to rage in a bah post, so I'll leave it at that

adios

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told you ray was scum ¬_¬

then you guys hammered the cop before I could claim

For TS: although you were correct in reading m as scum, your reasoning behind it was terrible. Please try to avoid getting OMGUS-vision.

It wasn't omgus

it was

'cuz I'm town'

etc.

[Twistedspoon]

eh

my methods of scumhunting are unothodox but effective

they work but they aren't official tells

hopefully next time I won't get hammered page 5 as cop and we can have a real challenge

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I had a lead on ray

I would have followed that lead, even if it didn't make sense, until he slipped and gave away a tell that did make sense

I've done it before.

I tunneled on a newbie for 20 pages when no-one else suspected him apart from em after a weak tell and eventually I got him to keep slipping and when he did flip scum 'twas thanks to me

but whatever. I never get into the flow of games I replace into :/