That last newbie with Nobody made me sad
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I'm one of the two SEs. I don't really teach much, although I can still answer some questions. I'm here mostly to keep the game running smoothly.
Could you clarify this? I'm confused about what you're trying to say.martini wrote:I disagree, I can imagine that if this is your first game this might seem a bit offensive, even though I guess you have to be slightly offensive to put some pressure on someone.theplague42 wrote:Vote: brundibar
Definitely trying to throw suspicion without any evidence behind it. I've actually used this before as scum
Sorry if this seems mean, but I mentally lol'd when I read the silent part. Town isbrundibar wrote:It just seemed to me that Quilford had been attacking people since he first got in this game, which I suppose is good, but it also makes it look to me as if he's trying to get all the pressure off himself,what with bringing tons of evidence against others and such. I'm not completely sold on voting him yet, just an observation.
True, but it wouldn't matter after RVS (which I think is what you're saying).[Moonstruck] wrote:@Quilford and Shift- If someone puts down a vote, and everyone else sees it before they vote, there's a chance they might subconsciously follow that person's vote and suspicion would be moved to the person first voted for. It's not really scumtell, just my logic based on the monkey-see-monkey-do nature of human beings added to the fact that we were in RVS and it didn't matter who I voted for.
The lack of voting is definitely suspicious, and adds to the fact that he seems to be fence-sitting in a way. And the wording of "to me," etc is interesting. It seems like brundibar is trying to put suspicion on Quil; if his accusations are challenged, then brundibar can just say "well, it's just my opinion" and move on.Does Bo Know wrote:I've observed some of brundibar's other posts after some suspicion on him with my last post. And, may I say that I don't like his argument, primarily because he's stating that to him Quilford's voting a lot of people and to him it looks like Quilford is taking pressure off himself. I believe that if brundibar actually has this much against Quilford and doesn't have anything against anyone else, that brundibar would've voted Quilford right now. However, he has not. If you have all of this to say about Quilford, brundibar, why are you avoiding him? I've got a FoS going your way, so the answer better please me.
And what's wrong with being offensive? (I'm going to use "aggressive" from now on instead of "offensive" because I generally relate "offensive" to personal attacks and such.) Aggressiveness in both posting and voting is the only way to get reactions from peopel, force scumtells, and win the game.Quilford wrote:All I'm saying in regards to Quil is that he came immediately out trying to point the finger at everybody, so that it seems like nobody would try and vote for him, with him being the first to lay out strikes against others.
That doesn't necessarily mean I think he's scum, he could just be playing very offensively. I haven't had enough experience to really tell other's strategies.
I agree with the first half of your post, but I think he meant that Moonstruck meant less suspicious, not that his (brundibar) vote was suspicious.Hiraki wrote:snipAre you saying your RVS vote wasn't random and there was some reasoning behind it? Not to mention, why does your RVS vote look suspicious?Brundibar wrote:Removing my RVS, as it looks a bit less suspicious now
To be honest, most newbies have that problem of not saying exactly what they want to say.brundibar wrote:However, Bo, you do seem like you're trying to draw a lot from my posts that's trying to make me look suspicious, even though nothing I have said thus far really seems that way to me. Maybe my posts just aren't saying what they need to.`
Scummy as the hot place down under. (not Austrailia)brundibar wrote:VOTE: Hiraki
I suppose maybe if I start voting, you guys will stop attacking me.
Lurking is definitely scummy, or at least anti-town.Jack Forman wrote:But I think I am going to place myVote:martiniI don't know if any of you have seen it but it looks like he is lurking. Tell me if I am wrong, that is scummy.
No, I've used comments like brundibar's before to throw suspicion without reasons.Jack Forman wrote:We are still in the RVS for the most part and Brundibar is most likely trying to get people to talk just like everyone else is doing. So you have very little evidence to vote Brundibar, but you vote him anyways. Why is it wrong for him to do it but it is ok for you to vote that way? You said you have use this before as scum, so since you are doing it again does this mean you are scum again?theplague42 wrote:Vote: brundibar
Definitely trying to throw suspicion without any evidence behind it. I've actually used this before as scum
Meaning that brundibar thought it was aggressive? Gotcha.martini wrote:What i was trying to say is that I could see what Quilford did as playing somewhat offensively, which might seem somewhat threatening/odd to new players, but is usually a useful tool to put pressure on someone and therefore expose scum. So I could see why a newbie might find this suspicious.
My argument is that newbie scum make more mistakes than newbie town. That coincides with the fact that experienced scum make more mistakes than experienced town. I'm not trying to compare newbie-town with experienced-scum. (BTW when I say just "newbie" I generally imply town; I'll try to be more specific from now on)Hiraki wrote:The point wasn't that it was Vi, it was that Vi is a well-known player that is known to be good.theplague42 wrote:Never played with Vi, so I wouldn't know.
Also, anyone else notice that brundibar practically copied a cople of my summaries? He also left out me, which of course I did as well... Thoughts?
I haveHiraki wrote:Theplague: What the fuck? Did you honestly vote me because scum didn't target me? Do you think scum want to just walk up my door nor expecting any traps? Y'know. Like Doctors?
Elaborate, please.brundibar wrote:snip
So we shouldn't try and make arguments to influence others?Hiraki has been making good points all game, I was leaning towards voting Jack, and then he posted his final analysis and I found it convincing enough to hammer.
This is pretty weak. Why would a newbie scum, who is unfamiliar with NK strategy, WIFOM, and PR hunting, leave the most experienced scumhunter alive? Shift explanation above us great, but the IC is usually still the most active scumhunter, this game a common exception.brundibar wrote:I don't feel that newbie scum are necessarily going to think to kill the IC on the first night.
I'm assuming you mean that he was a cop and had investigated you. This doesn't make any sense. He defended you D1,brundibar wrote:I still really don't understand Hiraki's constant defense of me though.It would perhaps make a bit more sense if there was a chance he was cop, but since that's not possible it doesn't make much sense to me, and I don't think it's making either of us look good.
Let's just ask Hiraki directly to clarify.Does Bo Know wrote: Though, Plague brings up a good point, except I also want to know why Hiraki thought Martini was scum in the first place, despite Jack's serious vote on Martini. Actually, no. I just read a few of Hiraki's recent posts, and I think it was because of a frame by killing Quil? Could someone elaborate on what he's talking about before I ask for other reasons he believes Martini is scum?
Your fourth reason is just ridiculous. Your second reason is also invalid. If we lynch Hiraki and he's scum, we win the game. If we lynch you and you're scum, we win the game. Same goes for me, Shift, everyone. It's not a reason to vote for brundibar specifically.Does Bo Know wrote:I think we should lynch Brundibar over Moonstruck.First,he's scummy, so it would get rid of a scummy suspect regardless.Second,we win game if he's scum.Third,if he's town, not only does it question Hiraki's knowing of Brundi's town status earlier, but it would put quite a rip in Shift's confidence toward Brundiscum. This also includes the fact Shift had a vote on Brundi instead of Jack when Jack was lynched.And fourth,if he is town, we still have at least 2 days to search.
So you'd rather have no extra days to lynch scum instead of having a safety-blanket day?DBK wrote:The only thing holding me back is that only Shift is brought in as a new possible suspect later. The fact that we have 2 scummy people and 3 days to find them isn't exactly something good. I feel we need at least as many suspects as days to lynch the last mafia at this point.
So right now, you're admitting to "Pulling a Brundi play," the very same person you want to get lynched! Anyone else see something wrong here?DBK wrote:Pulling a "Brundi play" here, but it's just an idea, and I won't vote for Brundi yet,butI want to see what Shift ends up saying Thursday, as this Brundi lynch has a side effect of bringing him out. Of course, he shouldn't question it since his confidence for Brundiscum is incredibly high. But we shall see.
It was only 12 minutesHiraki wrote:I waited a while for reactions.Plague wrote:Oh, oh God. My confidence in ultra-town DBK was just shot. Hiraki, I'd specifically like your opinion on this as well.