Newbie 1136: DarthYoshi's Dystopia of Death (Fin--who won?!)

[4nxi3ty]

lol alt ftw.

whats up everyone, going through posts as of now.

[4nxi3ty]

Um could i get a standard layout of what has happened since ghostlin and hiplop were killed? Looking for initial reactions and changes in behavior, please don't give me a list without any content.

[4nxi3ty]

Here is my initial read on D1:

It makes sense that hiplop was killed cause the only person he was attacking got lynched. Hiplop wasn't really tied with anyone else so the town doesnt get info from the NK.

Theam gives off the most scum vibes, constantly switches his attitude toward players and seems to be trying to distract the town. Even if he is newbtown his rage votes could be easily manipulated by scum. A theam flip will give us the most info at this point.

fos CS and Stels

for distancing.

If theam is scum one interesting event was the D1 bandwagon on him. Only three people decided to leave their votes...... CS, Stels, and ghostlin

VOTE: THEAM

RAWR

[4nxi3ty]

Can you please discuss the possibility of CS or stels being scum?

It would help convince me to change my vote.

U don't need to answer me right away. You can take your time if that helps.

[4nxi3ty]

Please hold off this discussion so other people get chance to read.

[4nxi3ty]

Ah, some insulting too while you're at it scum?

My point is still valid, you're wanting a modkill if he flakes? And you're assuming that he will flake after like 5 hours?
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As for your reads... you have nothing? You say that 4nx3ity is your only real read and that we others is unreadable?

No, I didn't finish reads as I don't feel like doing any more today. I've said explicity that I'll do one read/ISO per day.
And why not? kondi flaked in 5 minutes

So you can get more time to fake your reads? And you don't have to ISO someone to get a read on them.

Please hold off this discussion so other people get chance to read.

Why? There is finally something happening and the rest can read this later.

true, but i don't want this getting buried in a pile of WIFOM.

If you want to start discussion now - I would go with why theam doesn't talk about Stels?

[4nxi3ty]

No worries good to have you back.

CS is my third suspicion as scum now that Ghostlin is dead, so I have no problem voting him.
But an L-1 at this point is risky, esp with CS gone for a week.

...explain pls

[4nxi3ty]

Can I get an ISO of my posts when ur done with ConSpiracy's ?

[4nxi3ty]

@johog, not sure if I am asking the right questions.

Your thoughts might help.

[4nxi3ty]

Spoiler: CS iso

3. LYNCH GHOSTLIN, tm vote.
11.Dont lynch Ghostlin, lynch TM
13. Ghostlin only looks contentless. Ghostlin is good tm tunneler, otherwise null. LYNCHTM!!!!!!!!!!
17. Im late, TM is random, Johhogs anticlaim policy like. Ghostlin is town PR, play bad, theam buddying to hiplop, DH-star lacks reads. Scum roleclaim scum, aeryung case, morthas strawman, null, TMSCUM

CS's posts feel weird for some reason, but I can't put my finger on it.

<.< ^.^ >.> potraying CS as town, yet saying u are suspicous of him.

You are a L-1 because your actions and reasons condradict.

Aside from that, Stels is being unsually quiet recently. willing to switch my vote to him if there is a good reason.

[4nxi3ty]

in case anybody missed this.

Today's ISO is......(diceroll)
STELS!

Spoiler: iso

4. Ghostlin vote reason useless. Asks TM for meta, don't bother to read thouroughly, TM diverting attention
5. post shortening, TM digging own grave, Ghostlin 1st point useless, CS 3rd quote isn't content. Connections causes Stels to bleed from her eyes. Nothing about TM and BWKM, I am SE. (longest post here >.>)
11. TM>Ghostlin, With great power comes great HAMMARponsibility,
15.Parroted after hiplop, scummbuddies. *Stels is suffering from confusion!!*
17. IAMIC2!!!! Ghostlin said so.
21.TM is SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM. null tell timezone. Ghostlin. WIFOM. play is like cop.
24. TM MUST BE SCUM, SO NK ILLOGICAL>!!!!
25.Hiplop was easy pickings, explain situation
30.TM IS ANTITOWNAKASCUM!!!!!LYNCHWITHFIRE

[4nxi3ty]

What is the freaking point of rephrasing everyone's ISO?

meh. to illustrate the differences in behavior to certain people.

[4nxi3ty]

EBWOP: differences in * theam's* behavior

[4nxi3ty]

Theam's post style has changed from defensive to aggresive after CS came back, still trying to figure out what this means.( on phone btw will answer questions later probably tommorow)

[4nxi3ty]

If theam self - vote Johog =scum.

[4nxi3ty]

@aeryung or mothras, can you unvote CS for now?( the L-2 is making me uneasy). Will be on in a few hours to explain.

[4nxi3ty]

@4nxi3ty: since you are replacing khondi, what do you have to say for his defense(your slot) against theams suspicions?

flaking in most cases can be argued both ways making it a null tell.

Here is my initial read on D1:

It makes sense that hiplop was killed cause the only person he was attacking got lynched. Hiplop wasn't really tied with anyone else so the town doesnt get info from the NK.

Theam gives off the most scum vibes, constantly switches his attitude toward players and seems to be trying to distract the town. Even if he is newbtown his rage votes could be easily manipulated by scum. A theam flip will give us the most info at this point.

fos CS and Stels

for distancing.

If theam is scum one interesting event was the D1 bandwagon on him. Only three people decided to leave their votes...... CS, Stels, and ghostlin

VOTE: THEAM

RAWR

Town post.
Though I still am curious as to why he thinks I am distancing from theam.
Stels makes a lot more sense as he suddenly stopped with his suspicions today on Theam.
There is more than just leaving votes on him to find distancing.

Can I get an ISO of my posts when ur done with ConSpiracy's ?

Why do you want that?

Apart from that, the ISO's are a pile of crap, cuz it is IioA.
Johhog´s posts seem contentless to me (apart from the theam vote).

Not exactly distancing, just odd that both of you let ghostlin to be lynched while starting a case on theam. Difference between Stels and you was his reaction was more obvious. Also theam was being more cautious towards you.

The ISO's were definitely annoying, but they were the only consistent posts. also wanted to see if they were random.

[4nxi3ty]

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@4nx

: Who are your other scumsuspects?
And deadline is still quite a bit days away. So you don't have to be worried about deadlines.

At first you and Stels, However since theam kept drawing attention towards you I've changed my mind.

Won't be speculating on others til after the lynch.

[4nxi3ty]

hmm... im okay with the early hammer plan

makes day 3 more fun

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[4nxi3ty]

We are now in LyLo, if anybody misvotes they can quick -lynch to win. Nobody should place any votes until we decide who to lynch.

[4nxi3ty]

@CS this actually is my second game of mafia, but I did some reading before and grew up playing strategy games.
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What's this gambit you and Johog are so eager to talk about?

[4nxi3ty]

So are u trying to say CS would be confirmed scum if theam didn't flip town?

[4nxi3ty]

Okay this explaination of the gambit/plan (poor choice of words?) makes more sense than the first one provided.

um why am I scum?

And who is my scumbuddy, it wasn't very clear.

[4nxi3ty]

AeRy, I see what you were saying about CS and Johhog not wanting to threaten each others position. However I don't think it is enough to make them both confirmed scum. Do you know around what page the hiplop-scumbuddy arguement was?

[4nxi3ty]

First game I played was newbie 1107.

[4nxi3ty]

I'm a little busy right now, but I plan to reread the game this weekend with both 4nxi3ty and Stels as main targets to find out who is Johhog's scumbuddy.

With the timing of AeRyung's vote it is almost impossible for Johhog and Stels to be scumbuddies.
Johhog, at least attempt to build a case based on my predecessor's action. Just cause you reapeatedly call me scum won't make it true.

[4nxi3ty]

o.0 how long have you been saving that wall.

Your not even trying to scum hunt, all your doing is trying to discredit me. Not a single quote was placed into context of what was happening at the time.

That was the final straw for me.

HoS: Johhog

[4nxi3ty]

Here is my case for the johhog/stels scumteam:

I'm a fucking idiot and I think that I basically told scum that Morthas was the doc. More content later, I'm a football (the real, European version :p) referee and have a game soon.

Commenting on the NK is a scumtell(according to the wiki). CS already covered this earlier.

And I see CS is browsing the forums (wouldn't he get back tomorrow?) so my

gambit

would've failed even if Theam was scum, I'll assume he had the opportunity to be on-line some time during these days. Wonderful.

I assume that the term gambit is most likely used by scum, correct me if i am wrong.

What's this gambit you

(referring to cs, after rereading he doesn't look as eager as johhog.

and Johog are so eager to talk about?

Look, if we had lynched earlier AND Theam would've been scum, if CS would've been the alone scum member, he couldn't have submitted the night kill. If he was town, scum would either have to:

A) Kill him.
B) No kill.
C) Kill someone else, but CS would be confirmed town because he couldn't submit a night kill.

Well, it didn't work, but that was the

plan

.

this was a red flag for me. it looks like he is uncomfortable with using the word gambit again.

Okay this explaination of the gambit/plan (poor choice of words?) makes more sense than the first one provided.

um why am I scum?

And who is my scumbuddy, it wasn't very clear.

You're mainly scum because of your predecessors play, but also because I find it hard to believe that both CS and Stels is scum.

I would say that Stels is the other one, but I'm not sure.

-ignores my first question, decides to only answer the other two.

FUCK CASES. This ain't the first time I'm considered scummy because of a case, and still people wants them!
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So something you wanna ask me, or what? 4nxi3ty didn't even answer to my failcase, so now I'm completely sure it's him. The other one - well, it's Stels or CS. Probably Stels, but hard to say considering that he haven't posted much lately. Please, I beg of you, look past my case and at my other actions instead. If you find them scummy too - well, not much I can do then, can I?

Why do want only me to answer your case and no one else?

After reading CS's case, Stels has become my other suspect.
He hammered on the first PR day one and on D2 his vote was placed on the other PR. Than when morthas hammered theam he switched his vote before the final votecount.

I'm a little busy right now, but I plan to reread the game this weekend with both 4nxi3ty and Stels as main targets to find out who is Johhog's scumbuddy.

With the timing of AeRyung's vote it is almost impossible for Johhog and Stels to be scumbuddies.

I disagree. It would be a pretty high risk to have the quickhammer happen then already.

your probably right about that tho i would've risked it xD.

[4nxi3ty]

One thing I can comment on is the case Anxiety made. It's complete BS as far as I can tell.

Spoiler:

1) Wiki is wrong. The wiki is so outdated, that it's not even funny to go according to it.
2) Gambit's aren't always done by scum.
3) Nitpicking words.
4) He did answer both questions.
5) His case is based upon you, why would anyone else answer it?
6) My vote on PR's is a null-tell WIFOM. D1 I have no way of investigating PR's even if I was mafia rolecop. Morthas is my policy lynch.

1. I agree that blindly following the wiki is a bad idea,however the info is there for a reason. You are wrong to assume that the info there would never be helpful.
2. I still think gambits are more often used by scum and i haven't found anything to convince me otherwise.
3. Mafia is all about understanding the words people write, how is this wrong?
4. Yup he answer both not all three(maybe thats my fault for poor phrasing).
5.My case is mainly based on johhog, why are you answering that part?
6.Ghostlin claimed - there was no need to investigate. A policy lynch D2 is very scummy.

[4nxi3ty]

Just waiting on CS before making any decisions.

[4nxi3ty]

Prod-dodge. Yeah, I'm not writing more than that because there's absolutely NOTHING to comment on. I'm 4nxious to end this day.

INTENTIONAL PUN! BIGGEST SCUMTELL IN MAFIA!!!LYNCH HIM BEFORE HE CAN THINK OF ANOTHER!

@ stels, you don't need to say aeryung is town it has been the general consensus for some time now.

[4nxi3ty]

vote: johhog

- should probably give him a chance to respond before you hammer.

[4nxi3ty]

sigh... can you please take a stance on johhog or cs. this whole 'idk who is scum' bit is getting old.

[4nxi3ty]

lol don't worry so much.

aery is busy with school and cs isn't gonna hammer early.

you probably got til the weekend to finish.

[4nxi3ty]

want to make a bet Johhog?

if you get hammered after friday afternoon I get to pick your new avatar?(nothing too bad and you only have to use it for two weeks)

of course the same goes for me.

[4nxi3ty]

it is not reckless when you vote obv scum.

so that is a no to the bet than?

[4nxi3ty]

want to make a bet Johhog?

if you get hammered after friday afternoon I get to pick your new avatar?(nothing too bad and you only have to use it for two weeks)

of course the same goes for me.

i guess thats a no from you.

[4nxi3ty]

why are you so hesitant to place a vote on "obv scum"?

[4nxi3ty]

Johhog, a few more hours and you woudl've lost the bet.

[4nxi3ty]

not sure if i was paying attention,

unvote

[4nxi3ty]

thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.

[4nxi3ty]

thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.

Yet AeRyung has been pushing for a CS lynch. Although not as of the moment... hmm.....

nvm i feel better about my vote now.

vote: johhog

[4nxi3ty]

aw good game

[4nxi3ty]

awesome flavour too bad there wasn't another day.

[4nxi3ty]

aeryung was the main reason i was never totally convinced you were town, if johhog was lynched and i survived the night i would've voted you without heasitation.