Newbie 1136: DarthYoshi's Dystopia of Death (Fin--who won?!)
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1) What alignment and role do you prefer, and why?I like pro-town roles more, as I've a hard time lying and love to take out the bad guys.
2) Would you lynch lurkers?Never. It's terribad to policy lynch a lurker, much better to wait for the replacing.
3) When lynching, do you rely on your gut or your analysis?Nearly only gut, which makes me a highly unusual player. Still I usually catch scum. Basically I use gut to find scum and logic to convince others, because unfortunately "It's gut" is usually not an acceptable answer on why one person is scummy.
4) What is your stanch on using meta?In non-newbie games with more experienced players it is nearly the only way to catch scum. In newbie games however it's possible to find scumtells that are null when they're coming from a more experienced player. There is however a risk that meta will backfire horribly and basically create a quick mislynch, as in [REDACTED]."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Oh, forgot the role part in the questions. Add this:As for roles I'm not sure yet, I'm still fairly new. PRs is fun because you influence games more than as VT. It is however hard for me because you have to hide something, which I suck at. Therefore I suppose VT is my favourite role, as you can be completely honest."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Ibarra wrote:
Why do you seem too keen to jump on a RVS vote and question it immediately.BKWM wrote:Also your Avatars look pretty similar to me, so if ConSpiracy should have a vote for his Avatar, why shouldn't you have one for yours?IGMEOY: BKWN
This is a strange post imo. Ibarra seems to quickly jump on a very innocent remark, which may even be a joke.
ConSpiracy wrote:5) What's your timezone?
6) What is your posting style: A few lengthy posts or a lot of small posts?
7) How much do you expect to post in this game?
5) GMT+1, now during the DST GMT+2.
6) Many small posts, as you'll soon see.
7) At least a couple of times a day if I manage to find something interesting.
Ghostlin wrote:You don't bring people to L-1 less you really suspect they're scum. Up to L-2 is fine--and early wagons are encouraged to see how folks react. L-1 encourages hammers, accidental and not, and we do NOT want Day 1 end early even if we catch scum through RVS/RQS.
I don't agree. As long as they're rare, L-1 wagons can be quite good, and while you shouldn't put someone at L-1 withoutsomesuspicion you don't have to be willing to lynch them imo. That is in theory. In practice L-1 wagons are usually scummy (and by most players frowned upon) so unless you have a good reason for it, don't put someone at L-1 in a Newbie.AeRyung wrote:Hello, I'm new to this game... and I still don't know how to go about it(what to write, etc) I think I will be the least talkative among everyone, I can feel it already XD
And also, Soulblade, what a random reason to vote me. </3?
Hm, this post appears to be from someone who want to look at a newb (and also someone who cares a lot about what other people think about them), and I have no clue why.
ConSpiracy wrote:Let's find that out.
Vote: Ghostlin
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theamatuer wrote:It is because the IC's are supposed to help the newbies get accustomed to the game. The IC would then start to have a sense of reliability around him, and thus if you attack him, the newbies would turn towards you instead.
I'll keep my vote as it is.
You don't want to be accused much, do you?
BKWM wrote:theamatuer wrote:It is because the IC's are supposed to help the newbies get accustomed to the game. The IC would then start to have a sense of reliability around him, and thus if you attack him, the newbies would turn towards you instead.
I'll keep my vote as it is.
I understand that point, and it is very, very wrong. Here is why: there are 9 players in the game, with roles assigned randomly. Ergo, everyone, IC included, has exactly 2/9 chance of being scum. So if IC does something that you would be suspicious of someone else for doing, be suspicious of him. Because on the case that he actually IS scum, the argument you just presented will win his happy ass the game. So don't think that way. Think along the lines of, Ghostlin is the most experienced player here, so he is the best at hiding that he is scum, therefore he is worthy of suspicion on the line of reasoning you just presented.
Also, I'm not saying that he is scum yet. At this point I don't know who is and who isn't. I'm just saying don't stand behind him on the basis that he is IC, because as far as determining whether or not he is scum, that don't mean jack.
:goodposting:"Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Ibarra wrote:ConSpiracy wrote:Disagree. Off course having scum quickhammer means that we loose a townie with a high chance of a second one, but that means that we will lynch scum next day and possibly town at night, leaving town with at worst 4:1, at best 6:1. Coping with 4:1 with knowledge of a scumbuddy and still having the possibility of town PRs existingwithinformation of two nights is a lot better than 2:9 with no information yet and only assured PRs.
But what if town quickhammers by mistake? I've experienced a game wherein a townie accidentally quickhammered and thus was lynched the following day. My point is that we should avoid going into L-1 just on a simple, "let's see how they react" to avoid accidents like what happened to the game I was playing in. We should only get someone to L-1 when we're sure that the target is suspicious enough to warrant a possible lynch.
ConSpiracy wrote:And this is a lesson for every town: Do not quickhammer! If you are voting for somebody always check if he isn't accidentally lynched when voting.
I cannot stress this point enough. Always use the Preview feature. Mafiascum sadly doesn't have the notification for when someone ninja's you.
theamatuer wrote:No, normally I post whenever I'm online and somebody else posts, so I do take a lot of the thread. That's in other forums of course.
And I got lynched in day 1 on other games as well, so I'm kind apprehensive about it.
It's fine to hate being lynched Day 1, but do not try to deter people from doing so with the promise of activity. Activity =/= Being Town
Hm, interesting exchange between Ibarra and ConSpiracy here, unfortunately I don't know what to think of it. There is however an anti-ninja feature.
Ghostlin wrote:Con's eagerness to promote folks to L-1 early seems to be partially dissonant to his 'Don't Quickhammer' stance. (Reasoning: L-1 increases the chance of quickhammering---reason why you avoid it in RVS.)
Day one is the most important day for newbie games. More scum blowouts happen from rushing the process than not.
Theam's stance seems to be more focused on survival (at least past Day 1) versus more important concerns--making sure town has enough information to go on, for instancebeforeyou get lynched is more important. In English: while you should fight against your lynch (if you're Town, you're fighting for the only confirmed townie in the game, if you're Scum, well...you don't want to lose) if you're VT,don't be afraid to stick your neck out.You may get lynched, but since bandwagon analysis is a BIG part of this game...
BKWM: Your argument is something of a logical fallacy why I could be scum, but it's RVS anyway. Also, if there's a 2/9 chance of being scum, there's a 7/9 chance of being Town, with at least a 1/9 of being a town PR in a 2x4.
Out of the things I've pointed out---the inclination towards self presevation is the MOST scummy, so I will:
Unvote.
Vote: Theam
I don't like this vote for some reason. It doesn't seem to warrant a vote.
theamatuer wrote:Ghostlin wrote:
Unvote.
Vote: Theam
theam?
unvote.
vote: ConSpiracy
lets start the L-2
This however is lolno. Reckless bandwagoning and omgusing.
SoulBlade wrote:Great discussion, I learnt a lot about voting and mafia games overall. Sorry I wasn't posting - I wasn't feeling well yesterday.
Fine, but a quick ISO tells me that he hasn't said anything particularly useful since. We need to get this guy to start contributing.
theamatuer wrote:I'm trying to get an L-2 on him, which then hopefully we can pry an acceptable defense out of him, like I said earlier.
What is he supposed to say in his defence, as this seems to be merely a random bandwagoning vote?
After 3 pages, theamatuer is shady, Ghostlin is shady, AeRyung is shady and Soulblade is shady. Oh gosh."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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BKWM wrote:@Soulblade: if you want to look for people trying too hard to blend in, I would suggest people such as yourself or Morthas or paradox, who haven't posted enough for any sort of even semi-effective analysis. Although I will grant that it is too early in the game for that to be an effective argument, and that you have been posting, and that they have legitimate reasons for not posting. I am very actively scum-hunting, although granted, I am not too terribly good at it. Yet. That's what practice is for.
@theamatuer: you are at L-2 as well, good sir. So here is my opinion on you in hopes of hearing a satisfactory defense out of you: You seem to want to be dodging suspicion by pointing the finger at everyone else, and by attempting to get bandwagons going on everyone else, while at the same time, you are at L-2, and have not doneanythingother than barely acknowledge that you were voted for at all. If you weren't already at L-2, I would vote for you. As is,IGMEOY, theamatuer.
@AeRyung: I would side with Ghostlin in that you were being silly in not actually voting for me, but now I'm at L-2 anyway, so I would appreciate it if right now you used your vote elsewhere, so that we are ensured a full and in depth discussion on Day 1.
@Morthas¶dox: thoughts? even if you have no suspicions, you're opinions can only help us find the scum. when you get the time, paradox, no pressure. Enjoy your family time.
Aye, I like BKWM's posting and I like it much. He is as very town after 4 pages and I don't really see the case against him.
BKWM wrote:EBWOP
UNVOTE: AeRyung
VOTE: Morthas for only having one post.
Good call there I guess, but if it's intended to be a pressure vote you shouldn't have said that you voted him just because he only had posted once.
Morthas wrote:AeRyu wrote:I said I find you suspicious because of your elaborateless reasoning as to why you voted for the people you did. But then again, there isn't much to elaborate without a good amount of info. Though, your last post has increased my FoS on you. You are quite aggitated by my post of suspicion, I sensed an irritation in your writing. Here are some reasons why I suspect you. First, you lost your composure to my FoS. Second, you revealed your "plan" (Why?). Third, when you said "unless you are scum, in which case feel free to get so pissed you cant type straight." It sounds like an attempted provocation, or alternitavely, a way to get FoS off of yourself, desperately.
I can see that being truth.
VOTE: BMW
I was going to point out that explaining your plan makes it loose it's effectiveness but there have been enough people who have already did so.
BMW wrote:@Soulblade: if you want to look for people trying too hard to blend in, I would suggest people such as yourself or Morthas or paradox, who haven't posted enough for any sort of even semi-effective analysis. Although I will grant that it is too early in the game for that to be an effective argument, and that you have been posting, and that they have legitimate reasons for not posting. I am very actively scum-hunting, although granted, I am not too terribly good at it. Yet. That's what practice is for.
Trying to deflect, are we?
You are L-2 now, BMW.
OUCH what is this? All the votes on BMKW so far has been terribad.
Morthas wrote:theamatuer wrote:To morthas: don't rely on your gut feelings, or at the very least don't tell anybody that. Try to set facts to go along your suspicions, since that gives a greater amount of believability to them. At the very least, that makes it look less like a scumtell.
...Actually, I'm screwing myself over here, aren't I?
Also, I'm creating bandwagons to help others get defenses, since I myself do not find anything suspicious about anybody YET. I'll be more aggresive later, for now I'll help at bandwagons, even myself's later to get more evidence.
Of course, that is if self-voting does not cause being Slew-By-Darth's-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled)
Wut?
Give me a quote about so i know what you are talking about please :/
This. Were you by any chance drunk when you posted that theamatuer?
[LATER EDIT: Wait, did he just say he wants to help on his own wagon? This is strange as hell, and I was almost going to write it off as newbtown behaviour, but I've fallen for that trick before and won't do it so quick again.]"Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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AeRyung wrote:Ghostlin wrote:BKWM wrote:Ibarra wrote:
AeR: Why haven't you upgraded your FoS on BK to a full vote yet?
I know that if I give good reasons for suspicion, the vote count would increase, resulting into a quick lynch, and with the possibility that he might actually be a townie who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, I'm a bit hesitant because this game is in it's early stages. Regardless, it comes down to his next post.
@BKWM: You haven't posted since there were two more votes on you. You posted regularly before, why not now?
@Everyone: I would like to know what everyone thinks regarding this matter, why he should be lynched, why he shouldn't. Being in depth would be appreciated.
You seem like you want the best of both worlds here, if BKWM flips town you wanna say "I told you it was too fast" and if he flips scum you wanna say "I told you he was scum".
Morthas wrote:paradox wrote:Morthas wrote:paradox wrote:Morthas wrote:Since most people(Ahem, paradox) have posted sufficiently I am going to ask
Who do you think is our scum? (Gut feelings are good too, some stances would be great).
I´ve read everything, the only thing thatseemsslightly suspicious to me is BKWM
Why is he slightly suspicious? If it's because you agree with someone, why are their reasons more valid?
Reasoning without evidence is not as valid as Reasoning with evidence.
Reasoning with false evidence is much less valid than reasoning without evidence. Explain WHY are their reasons valid.
QFT.
ConSpiracy wrote:Ghostlin wrote:Con's eagerness to promote folks to L-1 early seems to be partially dissonant to his 'Don't Quickhammer' stance. (Reasoning: L-1 increases the chance of quickhammering---reason why you avoid it in RVS.)
First:Call me CS dammit!
I hate the abb Con.
Secondly this is not dissonant. I think L-1s are good to test others, but I wanted to tell town that they should always check if they are hammering or not, just to be sure.
theamatuer wrote:EBWOP: if you didn't notice, I voted for etanga (now Marthas). So no, I'm not that scared. But then again, excluding me, there are 5 newbies, just enough for a lynch. So you can't play too complex either, else the newbies just decide to lynch someone instead of trying to understand.
That is not what I meant. Reading back, I meant this:
CS wrote:So you are scared of being attackedbecauseif you voted for the IC?
English is not my first language. I try to keep mistakes at a bare minimum, but it's hard when I'm not very good at English.
Anyways, you were scared as this shows:
theam wrote:It is because the IC's are supposed to help the newbies get accustomed to the game. The IC would then start to have a sense of reliability around him, and thus if you attack him, the newbies would turn towards you instead.
Seems scared to me. And that is a bad reason not to do it. Those five newbies aren't morons to protect their IC for something like this.
theam wrote:EBWOP(again): I just realized that theam was supposed to be me. Well, I am mostly trying to aid others in their attacks for now, since I don't seem to have anyone in mind.
So basically, I'm running a semi-aggressive/helping type of play, and I'll switch to aggresive once I have enough suspicions.
So you are giving yourself a free pass to bandwagon others without reasons?
Morthas wrote:
Why aren't you replacing your RVS vote with a genuine one? I find THAT suspicious.Ibarra wrote:Why are you trying to deter people from voting you by saying that you will post a lot. I find that suspicious.
Good posting.
theam wrote:Actually, no. Selfvoting cannot help your goal, as you are supposed to play to your win condition.
As Morthas said, selfvoting as scum is sometimes useful. I once made an item about this in a game I IC'ed, let me look it up:
Spoiler: Self-hammering, good or bad
Morthas wrote:Who do you think is our scum? (Gut feelings are good too, some stances would be great).
Scum: Theam
Neutral/scum: Ibarra
Not enough reads for the others.
And I won't be able to be online tomorrow, my grandpa celebrates his 80th anniversary.
Some good points here.
hiplop wrote:yoyo guys. I know some of you from other games, but overall fairly new to you all. I've read the thread and all that jazz.
1) What alignment and role do you prefer, and why? Town PR is my favourite, then third party, then scum, and i really hate VT. Not much fun tbh
2) Would you lynch lurkers? Completely depends on the situation; if we can gain information from their death, then sure. But I am against policy lynches for the most part.
3) When lynching, do you rely on your gut or your analysis? A mix of both. I know in my mind what can't be true, and so gut definitely contributes to my play, not in a huge way, though.
4) What is your stanch on using meta? Very much against it, as I know I have been lynched many times due to "playing differently". My playstyle changes rather often, and its more based on my emotions at the time than my alignment.
5) What's your timezone? EST
6) What is your posting style: A few lengthy posts or a lot of small posts? Mix of both, though I have been trying to become more of a waller, but I do like being succinct and to the point; too many walls can be a VERY boring thing, and cause players to lose interest.
7) How much do you expect to post in this game? A lot.
VOTE: PARADOX for being hamtaro! Making me miss my childhood!
I haven't noticed much scum-behavior thus far, but BKWM is my top scum-spect, so im staying away from his lynch atm. TheAm to me seems townie, and quite honestly the reasons for the pressure on him are pretty bad. He looks to me like an inexperienced townie, rather than scum.
Huh? A RVS vote on page 5, why?
AeRyung wrote:AeRyung wrote:Welp.
Vote: BKWM
Meant to do this
Vote: BKWM
*sigh*. Why are you changing your mind now?
theamatuer wrote:unvote
vote: theamatuer
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WTF RAGE. What the hell is this?
Ghostlin wrote:theamatuer wrote:unvote
vote: theamatuer
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Congrats on your scum claim. Let me know how that works out for you.
But then Ghostlin decides to be as fucking scummy as possible. A bit quick on wanting to lynch Theam, right?"Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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hiplop wrote:woo. Now just waiting for his fakeclaim and we can end this.
Is that a good idea? Because I'm not sure I want to hammer this. Is ConSpiracy, Stels or Soul ready to hammer?"Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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But if he claims, and he claims VT, we pretty much have to lynch him. We have to be sure someone wants to hammer before we force a claim. Personally I think he's shady after these 5 pages I've read, but not more than maybe null."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Do you see hiplop? If now neither Stels or Soul is willing to hammer (we'll see though, I maybe is after my catch-up) there is no point in getting him to claim."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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AeRyung wrote:@Johhog, if you can, can you go into detail why you don't believe his claim?
Because it was so obvious he would claim a PR when cornered. Sure, he can be a PR, but it's a low risk that's the case. Remember, scum always claim a PR if they are forced to claim."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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I don't see why we would have to out our real PRs, to me the claim seems like a obvfake. As I said, scum always claim a PR (they have to, VT claims get lynched) and we can't let them live because of that."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Aw sorry for the fence sitting but imo I have a good reason for it. In my book either Ghostlin or Theam must be scum, and both almost can't be, that would be ridiculous."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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The thing is, we can't look at your claim Ghostlin, because we know scum would claim a PR. Instead we have to look if you've been scummy or townish this game. Personally I have a null-scum."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Ghostlin wrote:Johhog wrote:The thing is, we can't look at your claim Ghostlin, because we know scum would claim a PR. Instead we have to look if you've been scummy or townish this game. Personally I have a null-scum.
Fact is, you can't look at my claim at all due to the fact that an astounding amount of claims D1 should be lynched, even VT claims for purposes of confirmation.
Enough about theory. If I'm null-scum, who is scum scum?
That depends on the flip. If you're scum, Soul's replacement (forgot the name) probably is scum. If you're town, hiplop or Theam is scum."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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FYI it's scummy to express suspicion of the player you replaced. To me, if Ghostlin is scum, you are. If Ghostlin is town, hiplop or Theam is scum. As I said, we learn a lot from a Ghostlin lynch.
1) I think it's Theam.
2) No. I guess the SEs (which I think is me, Morthas, hiplop and ConSpiracy) will fill in for him."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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And I think paradox just wasn't interested enough, with multiple excuses for not posting and finally being replaced that points more to him being bored/uninterested than him being scum."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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hiplop wrote:DH-Star wrote:It feels great to replace someone who posted nothing useful and merely parroted at the beginning of the Day before disappearing. /sarcasm, but I started reading back without knowing who I replaced, and even I'll admit that SoulBlade looked scummy. Ah gotta love life.
Hiplop's caught my eye as he has been VERY determined to get Ghostlin lynched, and it hasn't gone unnoticed. IDK how to multi-quote so excuse my supposed lack of evidence, but at one point, Hiplop said he'd love some people if they hammered Ghostlin, which seemed odd. BUT, I'm fairly certain Hiplop's town, I'm just curious as to why he's putting his neck out so much on Day 1. Maybe it's just me, but I would never be so gun-ho on Day 1, just because that's not how I play I guess.
Ghostlin's WIFOM was bad, but not nearly as bad as theamatuer's analysis list thing where he gave himself a 7/10 scum rating. Ugh, some people's kids. Amazingly, I think theam isn't scum ... just very very noobish and/or dumb.
AeRy has seemed very tentative for some reason. I'm keeping Johhog on my radar, simply because he replaced paradox who I was very wary of due to lack of input and blatant lurking for a bit.
Sorry for any stupidity btw, only my 2nd game (technically) and I don't deal well with big blocks of text. Especially since I just read through 13 pages :/.
Two questions:
1) Who's TM?
2) If Ghostlin dies, will he still be active in the thread performing his IC duties?
He's scum, and I know it. Which is why I'm going after him so hard, obviously.
1) Tm is TheaMateur, not sure why the nickname came about
2) No, but ConSpiracy and I (I think conspiracy at least) will be fine in teaching you, I'm a qualified IC and all that jibber jabber.
Glad to see you posting DH
Johhog is interesting, and he'd be my #2 scumpartner for Ghostlin. His latest post in general urks me to the max.
Just because I don't think the player I replaced was scummy? Cmon..."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Hm, possible scumteams I can see right now.
Ghostlin/DH-Star
hiplop/maybe Stels?
Theam/whomever, AeRyung?
hiplop/Theam
Fuck, that's not much. At least it's something."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Ugh, this game is confusing and I'm getting paranoid, I see scum everywhere.
AeRyung, do you think you could sum up your case against ConSpiracy in a few sentences? Sorry if I'm a little slow, but I don't get the main reason why he's scum."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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AeRyung wrote:Also, the reason why I took out the timezone part of the analysis is because Stels informed that scum can talk to eachother before the game starts, so that logic is out the window. But that's IF they talked before the game started.
Also, I see this as a weak scumtell, scum would want to act like they didn't know this."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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ConSpiracy wrote:Ghostlin's claim seems honest to me. His play matches a PR (more of a cop, though).
EXACTLY THIS. Why didn't I catch it earlier? Ofc he wanted to set up a solid cop claim for later but then he came closer to be lynched (and cop claims D1 usually get lynched) and decided to claim JK instead!
VOTE: Ghostlin
No hammering yet, let's wait at least a couple of days."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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If Ghostlin flips town have something like (from scum to town):
hiplopHas attacked Ghostlin a lot, and his defence is mostly "Why would I get so much attention as scum?".
theamatuerI have no clue what this guy is trying to pull off. I had this thought, what if he fakes his strange behaviour to look newbtown?
StelsI know I'm the only one who thought it, but BKWM was very town. Stels was also town from the start, but his recent post seems... fabricated.
MorthasHard to read. Neutral I guess. Could post more content.
DH-StarSoulblade was scum, DH has been neutral, but if Ghostlin flips town DH is likely town.
AeRyungPulls out the newb card a lot and has a couple of scummy posts, but overall town.
ConSpiracyHe is calm, logical and has well reasoned posts. In this game I can't see any obvtown, but ConSpiracy is the nearest thing we'll come to that.
If Ghostlin flips scum:
DH-StarSoulblade undoubtedly had a connection to Ghostlin, and if Ghostlin flips scum DH is looking scummy. He doesn't seem to wanna vote Ghostlin either.
StelsSee my above read of him.
MorthasSee my above read of him.
TheamatuerImpossible that we would catch both scum D1. Probably just a VI.
AeRyungSee my above read of him.
ConSpiracySee my above read of him.
hiplopIf Ghostlin flips scum hiplop is obvtown, I can't imagine a D1 bus here."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Um, yeah. You AeRyung and DH-Star. But no, this is a normal newbie game. Usually it tends to be this much SE's after some replacements, and I don't think everyone is null if you look closely. I mean, do you think Ghostlin is as much town as for example AeRyung?"Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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ConSpiracy wrote:AeRyung calls me scum...
Oh, nah, I didn't agree with that part, only with the "possible buddying with hiplop" part. As I said we don't have any real obvtown, and that's tbh the only thing I can find against you, so you're still most town here."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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ConSpiracy wrote:Anyways, it's scummy that you think I am town although you think I am buddying up to hiplop.
Nope. But if you don't want to continue that discussion for now, fine for me, as I can't see the problem with it. And tbh I thought town was buddying too."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Said what as a defence? Sorry again, stuff is happening in another game (can't give you more details, no discussion about ongoing games).
And what option am I keeping open?
And what are you implying? That I'm scum bussing Ghostlin or that I'm scum knowing that Ghostlin is town? hiplop, clearly you always think I'm scum."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Neither am I.
The thing is, I said what I was going to do if he flips town or if he flips scum, but you didn't. To me it looks like it'syouwho is sure of his alignment."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Ghostlin wrote:Johhog wrote:Neither am I.
The thing is, I said what I was going to do if he flips town or if he flips scum, but you didn't. To me it looks like it'syouwho is sure of his alignment.
Hiplop thinks I'm scum...so are you saying he's bussing me because he knows I'm scum? Or, are you saying that he knows I'm town and trying to lynch me?
Also, what do you mean by #434 and #436?
By the way 'Ghostlin wouldn't be acting this scummy if he was town,' is A, WIFOM, and B, not how I play PRs. I try to keep my head down and non-committal as a PR, particularly a cop PR.
Here. If you want to get a bead on how I act as a PR, these are the games to read:
Cop: 1085: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17140
1072: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=16743
Doctor: 1046: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=15970
To be honest I wrote that post to hiplop quick and didn't really think, so I don't have any real explanation. I can think of many scenarios.
By 434 and 436 I mean it makes it harder for scum if we share our reads.
And why are you sharing your townmeta? I've caught scum with that before chap."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Stels wrote:@Johhog: So me explaining to AeRyung that part of the RQS which she has been talking about is null, me being sincere about TM and replying to CS is fabricated?..
Yeah, it seems.... forced in some way. As I've said I'm one of these few players who only uses my gut and admits to it."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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No no, if Ghostlin selfhammers as scum on L-1, that's good play. Scum can do that if they believe they will get lynched and to cut discussion short for town. But yeah, someone needs to hammer. You aren't voting Ghostlin either Theam."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Being a good IC wrote:Of course, if you're scum then feel free to self-vote/self-hammer. Self-voting/self-hammering as scum denies the town information and IS playing toward your win condition by confusing the remaining townies and allowing your partner to hide in the confusion."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Wasn't about hiplop specific, I wanted everyone to give their reads in case they got nk'd.
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Let me think for a moment now. I was nearly sure that Ghostlin is scum, and when I saw his flip I thought Theam was scum, but this kill is confusing me, almost like scum want to frame Theam. I dunno though, maybe it's a double bluff?"Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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Well, DH-Star is scummy but the Ghostlin flip makes him more town. Still, I can't really find who is scum here. Perhaps you Morthas? I get a weird feeling from your posts, almost like you're... well, I'm sorry, but I can't put my finger on it.
Who was the 2 others who brought it up? I'm afraid I missed it."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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How is that relevant?
Ninja'd: I dunno, you're just feeling evasive, like you have something to hide... mostly a gut feeling, but tbh I don't feel it today so far."Það únga rósarblað vornæturinnar góðu hafði hann selt fyrir korpnaðar skinnbækur. Það var hans líf."
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