Newbie 1143 - Game Over

[Porochaz]

I should point out, Im V/LA Friday to Sunday this week.

[Porochaz]

Welcome, Porochaz!

Our lynch deadline is 3 days from now on Saturday, so hopefully you can get up to speed and let us know your thoughts before the weekend.

Hello there, Thank you for volunteering yourself, you can help me by telling me from your point of view, what the biggest things that have happened in the game so far and your opinion on them. I should point out that at this moment in time, I'm asking you and don't want to hear from anyone else. So no pressure.

[Porochaz]

The two people you suspect now are not the 3 or even 4 you suspected in your initial thoughts, why the big change? (If its replacements then ignore me)

[Porochaz]

Thor I havent read the game yet, as I say Im on V/LA at the moment.

[Porochaz]

The person Im staying with has the same computer as me, so Im using his cable. So depending if I have free time, Ill read day 2 tomorrow/sunday. Im only really checking q's towards me and starting my own discussions atm. Thor, if you like you can answer the same question I asked before.

[Porochaz]

Apologies, I was away, (I did say) and Im now full of the cold. I do plan to get to this today though, let me update my own games first.

[Porochaz]

Prodding TravisB and Ozzie72.

I cant remember who I replaced but I might be one of these, but combined with the no kill which I think is probably just as likely as a successful block, these 2 immediately jump to the front of the scum queue

Hullo,

If this slot is already voting than I'll currently endorse that vote because, hey, I like do different things and watch the shocked reactions.

"I like to do different things so I will keep doing what my predecessor does."

[Porochaz]

Long post where I speak a lot.

I dislike this a lot, a lot of your reads are fairly superficial and I disagree with a large amount of your assessment in all of them, my last post was a joke but Im not liking you much as of now.

[Porochaz]

Also I think my opinion coincides with Haylen, lurking isn't a scumtell, active lurking is, but its not a good one, but it has to be dealt with.

Too many buts.

[Porochaz]

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I hate these new quote tags.

Anyway, lets talk about you. You are like the annoying kid in class with his hand in the air going "I JUST WANT TO BE LIKED", its interesting, in an earlier post in day 2 I got the feeling you made a decision on a players alignment just because the tide was turning that way, but you did it so blatantly that it upset me a bit. However you are pawing at Teacher Haylen, which is refreshing as I get the feeling she is getting a free ride. Which is bad, Haylen is a good player, she may act like "HELLO NEWBIES, HUGGLES!" but she will rip off your head with her teeth as soon as she has grabbed you in her vice like grip. But again, I actually haven't seen anything suspicous about Haylen and this post is about Gen. Again the way you approach her, its very "going through the motions". I don't feel the belief behind it. Which worries me.

[Porochaz]

I apologise Im going to be making 1000's of posts.

This is a terrible reply, and actually it wasn't needed, because the case was so bad in the first place.

The other is effortless, and although he has answered questions well recently, we did suspect him on day 1 and he was close to a hammer! Maybe we were right first time round?

vote: effortless

This is shockingly bad logic. Not only is it a bad idea to go with "maybe we were right yesterday" but I wasn't even that close to a hammer. I had 3 votes and it was early in the day when people are less likely to go through with a lynch. Finally it was for something that YOU thought wasn't suspicious.

You might be showing that there is hypocrisy in gen_wolfs posts here but it comes as an after thought when reading firstly, I've seen lynches happen on page 1, so don't get too cocky, star fox. However your so blase (there is an accent on that e) about it, "I had 3 votes, it was early on, I knew I was unlikely to be lynched" is an absolutely terrible reaction. I would vote this right now, if I wasn't convinced this is who I replaced.

[Porochaz]

Out of curiosity (whatever else I think of her slot) I agree *strongly* with Lunita that there is one scum in Thor, Lizk, Lunita, Gen Wolf, and Effortless. Do you understand the logic we're using to draw that particular list of scum? Also, with that as an idea do you have any particular scum reads from that group?

Yeah well I think there are 2 scum in this group

Quilford Ozzie72
Gen_Wolf
Porochaz lizk000
effortless
Lunitawolf TravisB
racerman13 Daybid saldyn
Thor665 Hazard with a Glove (SE)
Haylen (IC)

With 8 players in the game, there is more than likely going to be one scum in a random list of five names, your making superficial statements again thor.

[Porochaz]

End of page 18,

vote thor

for what was said before and this exchange...

Also, wow, one entire Day and it's Lunita and me.

Hey, Lunita, wanna sheep me a bit and be promoted to obv. town just for participating?

Also, wow, one entire Day and it's Lunita and me.

Hey, Lunita, wanna sheep me a bit and be promoted to obv. town just for participating?

Yay, I love promotions!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gen_Wolf

Now that I'm confirmed town everyone should follow me from here on out.

I'll go back through the thread too to give you more thoughts on Gen and address effortless/Lizk.

[Porochaz]

Gen_Wolf, how old are you? On a scale of 1 to 10, how mature would you say you are? I ask because I think it would help me work out your alignment.

Thor is scum and townie looking lunita is a blind sheep and its very upsetting to see her being led astray.

Haylen looks like she's lurking...

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Wow, you went right on the crazy defensive train there, Haylz. (Haylz makes you sound chavvy, I won't be saying that again) Its not a good look for you.

Quilford entered the game well but his statements of fact whilst townie aren't actually fact, he's drawing on experience but the lesson that should be learned is a lot of things in this game depend on so much, the situation, the player, even the time of day. A perfect scum player will play exactly like town. So making definitive statements about things can lead you into trouble.

I like effortless's line of question, you have my town prize at the moment.

Post edit - No, sorry, I saw your large post and using the dyslexic excuse I could hardly get through it, with multi-quote now, it means there is no real reason why I should confine everything to one post. I comment as I read. I can't maintain posts in my head (although Im trying harder as can be seen by this post), my posts aren't overly long, so should be okay to read. I find them better now, than quote stripes. I know it can be annoying, hell, mastin and fate do it all the time and it winds me up no end. I just plan to do this for my reread and then I'll post a bit better when Im caught up.

[Porochaz]

Thor I havent read the game yet, as I say Im on V/LA at the moment.

Well, if you want *my* breakdown of the events of the game, let me know

What I'd like from you is (and I know this will hurt, walls ahoy, dear sir) another third party look at the Thor/effortless thing. I'm fairly certain you and he are town, so I want your take because;
1. I suspect I can trust it.
2. You're experienced enough not to slurp around with newb tells and probably figure out the fact/opinion debate.
3. Either he or I are town who are being headbanginly stupid (I think it's him) and I want a referee to make a call on the flag on the field so hopefully we can move forward functionally.

Also - your scumreads, when you get there. Those would be good too.

Ok I think Ive made my thoughts on this pretty clear, I would go further with it though, whilst effortless has my best town read, the points been made and needs to end, the whole conversation is now very dull. I think that its detracting from other lines of enquiry specifically the much more interesting Haylen/Quilford chat. I've read, I've landed on the side of effortless, now Im watching Haylen fail and Lunita being questioned over sheeping you which Im glad about.

[Porochaz]

Guys, does anyone have any questions for me?

Yes, why have you done fuck all this game so far?

[Porochaz]

Ok finally list of everyone from town to scum. For those who want it.

effortless
Quilford
Lunita
Gen_Wolf
Haylen (IC)
racerman13
Thor665 (SE)

@BBM, Im IC status

[Porochaz]

Hi guys! I'll be Daybid's replacement, racerman13.

Need to read the thread in depth, but skimming, I don't think Gen_wolf is scum. At all.

Wow Quilford, that was one badass wall-o-post. Nice job.

I think Haylen is scum for not being able to keep her thoughts straight. Haylen keeps contradicting Haylen's self. Haylen seems really scummy, scummy enough for me to put a vote on Haylen. (no, I don't know Haylen's gender. Lol.)

Vote: Haylen

I'm guessing there's no chance of a Haylynch today, so I'll look for the other scum . Haylen is still my top suspect, though.

Ok guys. My top two suspects are Haylen and Thor.

Vote: Thor665

Filing for V/LA until tomorrow.

Will post content tomorrow. Hopefully.

Guys, does anyone have any questions for me?

Its been 9 days. I expect something more than a very weak Haylen vote.

[Porochaz]

We could talk about active lurking, if you like. However I think its easy enough to state that not much of a case can be made on someone who isn't trying and giving him a free pass for that would be wrong.

[Porochaz]

I will think about it (look at her day 1 posts) at the moment, no.

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Fantastic.

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I won't be makinjg a list. I've seen Haylen play extremely well but also badly and I dont think Ive seen the other two play. My point is it usually depends on the game. I know in the confines of newbies I've played absolutely shit and Ive (almost) single handedly won the game as town before and those games were running simultaneously.

[Porochaz]

It was as I was reading. So it wasn't up to date.

[Porochaz]

Hey, Poro - am I scum because you think my reads are superficial or because I ask people to sheep me and they do? I'm not quite sure what your accusing me of.

Also - still on record for wanting your take on the effortless/Thor exchange.

Also, also, you're lizk, not effortless.

Any post I made regarding you (barring the first one) is why Im voting you.

I thought I already commented on that in my list of posts?

Yeah I knew who I was when I wrote the list of players out.

[Porochaz]

Hey, Poro - am I scum because you think my reads are superficial or because I ask people to sheep me and they do? I'm not quite sure what your accusing me of.

A lot of what I read from you was useless in regards to reads, the reasons didn't have any meaning behind them. The pinnacle of this was when you listed 5 out of the 8 players and suggested there must be one scum in there. Well duh! It's padding out a post of nothing.

The sheeping was scummy for both of you, but with you it was so blatantly getting someone on side with virtually no reasoning and the way you did it was terrible as well. I kinda feel bad for saying it but Lunita gives off an impressionable vibe and you took advantage.

I wont be changing my vote any time soon. I suggest people join me on the thor wagon.

[Porochaz]

Well, Haylen might have been scum fishing for soft support, so in some minor way I agree he should have reacted negatively. But, yes, his defense is very questionable and my belief is Gen is far more independently scummy than Haylen (who is mostly scummy for fail at game and weak accusations and sidelining).

Out of curiosity (whatever else I think of her slot) I agree *strongly* with Lunita that there is one scum in Thor, Lizk, Lunita, Gen Wolf, and Effortless. Do you understand the logic we're using to draw that particular list of scum? Also, with that as an idea do you have any particular scum reads from that group?

Its not scumhunting to say that. Sorry.

I also always say if you know your own meta then its useless. Its also not meta to point out reads with no reasoning behind them.

Also spot the difference between

"I suggest people join me on the thor wagon"

"A Wolf vote would be very beneficial right now"

and

"Hey, Lunita, wanna sheep me a bit and be promoted to obv. town just for participating?"

And let me be clear, I have no problem with the second statement.

[Porochaz]

I recognise that and I recognise your defence hence why I haven't been as tough on you as I could have been. Having said that regardless of what you do after still doesn't change thors actions to begin with.

[Porochaz]

Hayl, I think its safe to say your vote is useful anymore. You have a choice between thor and shadow here.

[Porochaz]

A large part of me wanted to say Odin...

[Porochaz]

Ok lets not waste time here, then.

Sorry shadow, I know its your first game, but you replaced into a scummy slot, hopefully someone will take kindly on you. It's just the way things go sometimes.

vote shadow

[Porochaz]

Whoops forgot about that. Meh, as I understand it, claiming in this setup doesn't really help anyway.

[Porochaz]

Not if he gets here before the mod.

[Porochaz]

And hey, look on the brightside. We just learned your blatantly town.

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And if he doesn't its not the end of the world.

[Porochaz]

Im not really, Im more dismissing it. Your making me be defensive about being defensive though, which could be a long and confusing one.

However its the next steps you have to worry about now. What I did may be a lynch-worthy mistake. Im under no illusion that its going to have to be a talking point tomorrow and I will defend myself against that.

[Porochaz]

I apologise for my actions. I genuinely forgot, I ask you to wait before you vote.

[Porochaz]

Thanks but we should still no lynch today.

[Porochaz]

More information. For all I know, your scum faking a gambit.

vote no lynch

[Porochaz]

You know there is a difference between non scum lynch and no lynch. We are in MYLO, a mislynch is going to cost us the game, we are in the same position tomorrow except that we get more info and the fact we can afford to no lynch today.

[Porochaz]

regardless of counterclaims it still doesnt mean your cop, there is additional reasoning why we should no lynch, who the scum kill will give a hell of a lot of info

[Porochaz]

regardless of counterclaims it still doesnt mean your cop, there is additional reasoning why we should no lynch, who the scum kill will give a hell of a lot of info

The scum kill is WIFOM.

Its still info.

We dont lose anything by no killing today.

[Porochaz]

Lynch Today: Thortown is lynched, scum win.

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Im not saying thor is town by the way but its best to make sure.

[Porochaz]

You are becoming scummier by the second.

[Porochaz]

Three votes, three to lynch?

That says Bah or something.

[Porochaz]

If this is correct, which it looks then yay! If I were scum though, I'd have kept Haylen alive and killed probably me off instead. Its a risk that she outs both members, but her being left alive puts serious doubt onto whether she is actually telling the truth or not. I was surprised you killed her. One mislynch was all you needed. In the end though you condemned thor to his death and Quilford revealed himself when he picked lynching over no lynching and then the vote the previous day.

[Porochaz]

The aim of the no lynch was to pressure scum into making a hard decision on who to kill, I don't know if I mentioned it, but it was the intention.

[Porochaz]

You got the guilty the night before you claimed? You probably did the right thing. Although I am of the old school way of thinking that a guilty should be claimed if it can't be convinced otherwise. I wouldn't have played it differently, I would have gone for the no lynch, I don't see you as being nk'ed there, so you could have waited but its risky and there is no point in waiting as far as I can see.

If scum hadn't have killed you, I don't know, I think I would have lynched thor anyway. Confirming you and you would have an extra investigation leading to a second scum/another confirmed town, leaving town in a strong position. So yeah, I'd say you claimed at the right point.