Newbie 1346 -- Game Over

[Bacde]

/confirm

[Bacde]

that's 8 people we are playing now

woo-hoo!

[Bacde]

Vote: MNIJ

lynch all liars

[Bacde]

Wow! Sorry guys I can completely forgotten I was in this game.

Rereading now!

[Bacde]

Yay ! Start !

I don't random vote; I random question (though the percentage of randomness in these questions remains to be seen).

@Snooperfax

: Why have you not confirmed yet? Are you a lurker?

@Bacde

: Why is MNIJ a liar according to you?

@SafetyDance

: Why so eager?

@MadWitch

: Why a raccoon? Why no badger?

he said he'd get an avatar

[Bacde]

Point 1 ~ If I said someone was "not scum" does that not equal the same thing? Do you also think, that a read that's got one post, around 24hrs into the game, is one to have full confidence in? Do you think if Bacde comes in a spills the sauce more, my reads won't become more dynamic?
Point 2 ~ Well it's the same thing you're doing. Least you're not a hypocrite I suppose.
Point 3 ~ No, does it? Seems to be your story here. Personally, I don't consider V/LA as lurking. But then some people still think the Earth is only 6000 years old.

lol ok safety dance is town

[Bacde]

sorry sirdanilot i realize I'm outting reads I hope thats going to be ok

I'm still figuring out if you are scum or town so hold up

[Bacde]

oh wow I just realized that if I voted sirdanilot that he'd be at L-1

who is down for a quicklynch?

Vote: sirdanilot

[Bacde]

pretty sure you are at L-1 still so you should somewhat be on the defensive right now

besides me, who else is mafia sirdanilot?

also, why do you care so much about pretending to be town?

[Bacde]

Oh no JK unvoted I guess the pressure's off

@JK What are you gonna do with your vote if you don't want to leave it on sirdanilot?

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:
Bacde what the hell was that?

its called playing mafia

as town you

HAVE

to make proactive moves to see other people make alignment-determining reactions and interactions

[Bacde]

Just been through the thread. Bacde seems to be trying to put attention anywhere but himself...

Vote: Bacde

lol, seeing how I came in, quadruple posted, and then blatantly voted the top vote-getter and even included the word "quicklynch" in my post with the vote, I'm very obviously fine with being the center of attention

I'm not necessarily against your vote on me, but your reasoning is outright false. Maybe you should admit this is just a gut feeling based on the way I ran up the IC to L-1?

[Bacde]

Bacde also joined the opening day jokey vote on me for lack of an avatar. Trying to sort an avatar now.

yes, I did do this.

are you saying that my RVS was alignment indicative? How and why?

[Bacde]

tbh I

AM

suspicious of you, my vote on you was not without reason.

If there is a mostly-random BW on you, then isn't me voting you a good thing?

If I had voted someone who wasn't you (which would have been dishonest bc I am most suspicious of you right now), then you would still have 3 (useless) RVS votes on you!

Look at how JKmatt instantly unvoted when I voted you. He has been thrust out of the RVS stage of the game, and is now forced to consider where he actually wants to place his vote with

reasoning

. His panic-unvote will be

very

alignment indicative as the game progresses and we see some role-flips

I'ma read madwitch to see if I possibly agree with you about that

[Bacde]

^^Yeah I agree, MW was definitely not a bad vote

Makes me wonder about my read on sirdanilot

its a potential bus vote, but I'm still feeling better about sirdanilot-scum than MW-scum

[Bacde]

Ugh the thing is, MW posts can be seen as scummy but not at all for the reason that sirdanilot voted MW ("misrepping")

When I read sirdanilot I just can't feel anything besides that he is fake scumhunting

[Bacde]

Bacde also joined the opening day jokey vote on me for lack of an avatar. Trying to sort an avatar now.

yes, I did do this.

are you saying that my RVS was alignment indicative? How and why?

Using long words seems a bit scummy to me.

since "a bit" is a bit vague, do you think you could tell me how scummy on a scale of 1-10?

[Bacde]

Bacde also joined the opening day jokey vote on me for lack of an avatar. Trying to sort an avatar now.

yes, I did do this.

are you saying that my RVS was alignment indicative? How and why?

Using long words seems a bit scummy to me.

you also avoided my question

[Bacde]

I do not know what an RVS is. Could you explain?

RVS = random vote stage

basically, my first post of the game

[Bacde]

Are you one of those pro mafia players I have heard about Bacde?

yes I am absolutely the best on this entire website

[Bacde]

At least an 11.

I'll give you a 5/10 in humor

[Bacde]

Thanks. Ok, I get it is a random vote, and I also get that you and the other dude are trying to keep the conversation moving in here for the sake of us newbies. But I just don't like the cut of your jib.

this is the post I was trying to force you to make

I was wondering if I should move my vote over to you but as it stands I think sirdanilot is much more likely to be scum than you

[Bacde]

^^lol I have no idea what this post means

nor have I even attempted to get you to move your vote

[Bacde]

^^Meh usually early hammers aren't protown but the

THREAT

of the possibility of an early hammer (achieved by putting someone at L-1) gets some really good reactions, and creating those reactions is protown

[Bacde]

zzZZzzZZzzZZ

[Bacde]

Dude, I have reasons for suspecting you

its just, before I wanna out my reasons I wanna hear from other players in this game

Celer Deius comes to mind

so does MadWitch

not stating specific reasons does not equate to scum, otherwise the scum would be me (for voting you for unstated reasons), and MNIJ (for voting me for "not liking the cut of my jib")

I've noticed that you ignored MNIJ though

in fact, I say I'm suspicious of people to gauge reactions

all the time

, so I'm not sure why you are trying to construe that as something illegitimate (wait you are scum aren't you)

[Bacde]

how can you simultaneously believe that its important to not out your townreads

but also someone who doesn't out reasoning for scumreads is mafia for sure

[Bacde]

if we get an unexplained hammer from someone random in this thread then you are 100% scum

what I'm saying is that you need to go through me since it looks like I'm town leader at this point

[Bacde]

since sirdanilot is at L-1

Usual protocol is someone who wants to turn the game from L-1 to lynch will declare "Intent to hammer", and then we get a claim from sirdanilot and then we make a new decision right there

But I'm seriously worried by the lack of contributions or individual scumhunting

[Bacde]

Where is everybody

are you gonna push on me or suspect me of being mafia or something?

Because it really feels like you don't actually suspect me

[Bacde]

since sirdanilot is at L-1

Usual protocol is someone who wants to turn the game from L-1 to lynch will declare "Intent to hammer", and then we get a claim from sirdanilot and then we make a new decision right there

But I'm seriously worried by the lack of contributions or individual scumhunting

MNIJ you motherfucker

[Bacde]

i like MNIJ

he's might still be learning the etiquette of this game but he's got potential

[Bacde]

You could at least say 'oh, wasn't I supposed to hammer before asking for a claim? well gosh I'm sorry'.

But oh whatever

I'm guessing you were scum?

[Bacde]

bumping to the top

[Bacde]

I'm pretty sure if sirdanilot was town he'd have said his last words by now

[Bacde]

thats what I suspect right now

just getting that out there since if sirdanilot flips scum then I'm the night kill for sure

[Bacde]

Welp, there goes my buddy

[Bacde]

All that abuse I got and I nailed a mafia! Do I get a badge?

you do realize that your last post said "you better be right Bacde or we are coming for you"

meaning that you shifted responsibility

but are now accepting credit

[Bacde]

hello?

I need someone to come in and towntell for me because my townread just died

[Bacde]

seriously I was super excited this game since I got a maf d1 but now I'm just super upset that I'm still alive since it feels like no one wants to try to find scum

[Bacde]

Of course:).

Why didn't you state

intent to hammer

like I specifically asked yesterday?

also, what motivation did you have to switch your vote over to sirdanilot? before you moved your vote you seemed most suspicious of me, why would you then vote alongside with me?

[Bacde]

I'm waiting on MNIJ to collect his nerves and make up a fake answer

[Bacde]

A+ guys

I would totally kill the only guy who townread me

...

duh I have "acid in my tongue" when I'm speaking to MNIJ. His hammer on sirdanilot looks too obvious to be a scum panic-hammer yet every move MNIJ makes blares "I'm scum" in neon green lights

[Bacde]

Fuzzy, I'm following your logic here on Bacde. Seeing as how he is reacting towards MIJN after a scum was lynched is odd. An important fact that sticks out to me is when he came into the game SirDan was already sitting at L-2 and his vote made him L-1. A tactic to scare off the town from hammering so early in D1? Seems legit.

I think between Bacde and Bizzy we'll find the other mafia.

man this post sucks

did you not notice how I was the only one to pressure mafia yesterday

maybe you missed the random hammer for no reason that looks scummy as shit

[Bacde]

whatever, I can't be blamed for having people replace in who think I'm mafia for finding mafia d1

MNIJ your vote right now looks opportunistic as fuck

remember how you said "You better be right

or

we'll be coming for you!"

I was right dude, why are you still coming for me?

You also didn't answer any of my questions

Vote: MNIJ

[Bacde]

So what are we saying? Bacde and Sirdinalot are scum. Bacde places what he thinks is a safe vote on his fellow scum until some idiot (me!) comes in and lynches Sirdinalot. Like it. Like it a lot.

VOTE BACDE

How is it a safe vote when I was pressuring sirdanilot more than anyone else in the thread?

Also, how was my (surprised, upset reaction) bad after your vote, when safetydance (who is now confirmed town) had the exact same reaction?

[Bacde]

Alright, everyone, I'm off work and can post my thoughts.

I think MNIJ is suffering from newbness when he hammered, and just happened to get lucky that SirDan was mafia.

As to his partner though, I'm thinking we'll find bizzy to be the guilty one. I'll bring up some quotes once I figure out how to use this format, but his comments on D1 about giving out reads is a bad idea seemed coached and fell right in line with what SirDan had said as well. I disagree. I find it helpful and generally pro-town to voice your thoughts on the other players in the game.

vote bizzy

I disagree 100%

MNIJ's hammer looked like a scum panic-hammer, it did NOT look like a newb-town hammer

[Bacde]

Fuzzy, I'm following your logic here on Bacde. Seeing as how he is reacting towards MIJN after a scum was lynched is odd. An important fact that sticks out to me is when he came into the game SirDan was already sitting at L-2 and his vote made him L-1. A tactic to scare off the town from hammering so early in D1? Seems legit.

I think between Bacde and Bizzy we'll find the other mafia.

Agreed. Who do you think would be the top priority today?

lol I don't want to upset you

but this post is some of the worst horseradish I have ever seen in my life

pass me the ketchup

[Bacde]

"Guys I don't like the way bacde came into the game, pressured and lynched scum, and is pressuring the guy he said he was suspicious of yesterday. Why would Bacde be suspicious of the guy who hammered scum

WHEN IT LOOKED JUST LIKE A PANICSCUM VOTE

?"

I like how MNIJ is getting a free pass for having no thought process yet Bacde is receiving pressure for being the only proactive, anti-scum, pro-town player in the game

JKMatthews where the hell are you

[Bacde]

Fuzzy, I'm following your logic here on Bacde. Seeing as how he is reacting towards MIJN after a scum was lynched is odd. An important fact that sticks out to me is when he came into the game SirDan was already sitting at L-2 and his vote made him L-1. A tactic to scare off the town from hammering so early in D1? Seems legit.

I think between Bacde and Bizzy we'll find the other mafia.

I realize I'm posting a lot in a row but let me explain something to you:

if you don't want someone lynched, the

WORST

thing to do would be to vote for that person and pressure that person

I have never once in my life heard of someone voting for someone else to "scare off the town from hammering"

MAYBE

you could call it a bus but definitely not a tactic to "scare off" votes

[Bacde]

Earlier today it was not a "scum hammer" and now it is. Seems a little bit fanciful that if I was in a scum team with Sardinalot that he would let me do something so moronic. And do you have to keep spamming this thread?

are you seriously trying to pretend that my activity in this thread is in any way incriminating

When did I ever say that it was not a scum hammer? I'm pretty sure that I've been pushing the idea that your vote was a scum-panic hammer since

BEFORE SIRDANILOT'S FLIP YESTERDAY

[Bacde]

Vote: MNIJ

[Bacde]

You have already voted, you cannot vote twice. Guess you just did that because

I showed you up

. I'll get you a ticket for the mongboat.

[Bacde]

ETL is town btw

[Bacde]

blizz needs to be replaced

Oh, sorry, I thought

I

was modding this game. My bad.

[Bacde]

^^phew

[Bacde]

peeps be replacing into my game

considering me not obvtown after I get the scum lynched

stressin me out

I was considering just rage-replacing out but things are looking good in the world again

[Bacde]

like if you actually read this 8 page game

I don't think its possible to not have an "obvtown" read on my playerslot

lynching scum on its own doesn't make me obvtown but the context of this game does

[Bacde]

^^No, I didn't

hammer

sirdanilot

I def lynched him

I'm gonna wait until you guys are ready to lynch MNIJ too

[Bacde]

Bacde just because you become indignant doesn't mean that you're town. You're an experienced enough player to know that it truly isn't that farfetched to believe that a partner would vote his own to make the town hesitant to hammer on D1, especially with SirDan crying out about a speed lynch. It worked enough to get one player to unvote. Your reaction to MNIJ when he actually did hammer is what sticks out to me. Way too early for such an obvious bussing between MNIJ and SirDan, and the way you tried to twist it after it happened looked scummy to me. A difference in opinion. I'm certainly happy that we lynched scum D1.

Anyway, besides your reaction amusing me, my vote is still on Blizz because I still maintain that I think he is the other mafia member. His continued silence is only making that feeling stronger.

its not too early at all

imagine this scenario: you are scum

everyone is voting your buddy

your buddy is at L-1

other people are saying they want to vote your buddy

what are you going to do, try to defend your buddy or panic and hammer your buddy?

MNIJ's reaction to the BW looked like a scum-panic reaction

Especially considering that he was suspicious of me yesterday since he "didn't like the cut of my jib". Why would he join the bandwagon I was pushing if he was suspicious of me, if not to get quick town cred?

[Bacde]

The more I look at blizz, the more I see scum motivation behind him. Naturally, I would think scum to become frantic at a time like this. That's what he looks like to me. I'm going to stick with MJIN for now, but I'll

FoS

Blizzy

How is blizz being frantic? He hasn't even posted in a long-ass time

MNIJ looks more like he is having a scum reaction. He voted me again today, despite saying that he would "come for me" today if I was wrong about sirdanilot.

I was right about sirdanilot, but MNIJ doesn't care anymore

He is not producing any ideas of his own, he is just following behind others and hiding behind the town credit you guys are giving him for the hammer

[Bacde]

ugh, I guess the phrase "green as grass" is kinda awkward, there is SOME merit in the suspicion behind blizz

why not wait for his replacement and question him then?

[Bacde]

so remember all those reasons you wanted to lynch blizz

all of the "I'm so new look at how new I am" reasons?

MNIJ is doing the same thing

AND he panic-hammered

[Bacde]

The reasoning behind Blizz and MNIJ are different. Blizz looks scummy because he says he is new yet knows something about the dynamics of the game which happened to be in line with what SirDan had said about giving reads as anti-town.

Why are you tunneling so hard on MNIJ right now?

because I think hes mafia

the goal of the game is to get the mafia lynched and win

[Bacde]

The reasoning behind Blizz and MNIJ are different. Blizz looks scummy because he says he is new yet knows something about the dynamics of the game which happened to be in line with what SirDan had said about giving reads as anti-town.

Why are you tunneling so hard on MNIJ right now?

because I think hes mafia

the goal of the game is to get the mafia lynched and win

Bacde, obviously, but how can you be so sure?? I'll tell you why I'm not, and maybe it's not a valid reason, but it's what I think. In my first game,

I did the exact same thing

, except the guy I quick hammered ended up being town. I was town, too, but the day was dragging on and on and on. And I wasn't sure one way or the other; I thought a no-lynch was bad on day one, but I didn't realize it was better to talk it out rather than just quicklynch. I was wrong then, and MNIJ is wrong here, despite getting scum in the lynch, but it just doesn't scream scumMNIJ to me. I just cant fathom a newbie playing scum this way at all.

I really want to hear from Blizzaradi.

I'm taking everything you are saying into account

and I don't think you are being unreasonable

I just disagree and think MNIJ is mafia

The fact that MNIJ voted me yesterday, then switched his vote to vote alongside me and hammered sirdan, then placed his vote back on me the very instant that a few people expressed suspicion of me today tells me that he does not have a strong internal thought process, which is indicative of being scum

I'm willing to wait and hear from our replacement though

but my vote will stay for now

[Bacde]

also, Blizz being replaced

AFTER

the night and not

DURING

the night is indicative of him being a vanilla townie

[Bacde]

I don't think that a quickhammer necessarily means scum, but in the context of this game you're going to have a hard time trying to convince me that this quickhammer wasn't scum

[Bacde]

The fact that MNIJ voted me yesterday, then switched his vote to vote alongside me and hammered sirdan, then placed his vote back on me the very instant that a few people expressed suspicion of me today tells me that he does not have a strong internal thought process, which is indicative of being scum

I'm willing to wait and hear from our replacement though

but my vote will stay for now

Now

this

is more of a reason. I must have missed this. I definitely need to look a little closer when I get home tonight.

Also, as far as when the player got replaced, do you really think this is useful for finding scum? I mean like timings and stuff.

if I told you I was 100% I'd be lying

but you have to take everything into account and decide if it fits into what you think the situation is

so far all of the evidence fits my predictive model of the game (MNIJ being scum) really well

[Bacde]

The reasoning behind Blizz and MNIJ are different. Blizz looks scummy because he says he is new yet knows something about the dynamics of the game which happened to be in line with what SirDan had said about giving reads as anti-town.

Why are you tunneling so hard on MNIJ right now?

because I think hes mafia

the goal of the game is to get the mafia lynched and win

Bacde, obviously, but how can you be so sure?? I'll tell you why I'm not, and maybe it's not a valid reason, but it's what I think. In my first game,

I did the exact same thing

, except the guy I quick hammered ended up being town. I was town, too, but the day was dragging on and on and on. And I wasn't sure one way or the other; I thought a no-lynch was bad on day one, but I didn't realize it was better to talk it out rather than just quicklynch. I was wrong then, and MNIJ is wrong here, despite getting scum in the lynch, but it just doesn't scream scumMNIJ to me. I just cant fathom a newbie playing scum this way at all.

I really want to hear from Blizzaradi.

this

IS

true

its

HIGHLY

unlikely that a newbie would have hammered on his partner,

ESPECIALLY

if his partner was the IC

but the other evidence towards MNIJ being scum I think is stronger

I don't think the mafia had a doc-read on Safetydance, I think he was just killed since he was my townread (random thought unrelated to who the scum is)

[Bacde]

Unvote

[Bacde]

Okay, my thoughts so far:

Just gonna throw this out there: if you guys have questions for me about blizz's behavior, the answer is this: I don't friggin' know. I only share a role with the guy. I don't share his mind.

Anyway, back to being productive.

My top suspicion is MNIJ. I don't care how lucky you are, quick-hammering is never a good idea, especially without even getting a claim. The mere fact that he's not eating rope for that alone astounds me.

Moreover, he's providing little to no actual analysis. From what I skimmed, his posts are sporadic and there's next to nothing in the way of scum-hunting. The only thing he has going for right now is that he hammered scum D1, but seeing as how he did literally nothing but sheep Bacade, I don't give him an inch of credit.

Really, the hammer to me looks too much like a scum gambit to get him confirmed as obvtown early. Don't think it worked.

Though on the flip-side, Bacade is null to me. I can see town and scum motivations for his current rage-state. Sure he started the pressure but it was more of just completely random. I don't give him town cred for it.

Anyone else not specifically mentioned is null or null-town. Questions?

Edit: MNIJ self-voting? Is he just trolling?

this post reeks

"everyone in the game is a null-read for me, I can easily have different opinions later in the game and not be suspicious. Also I'm setting up a lynch from MNIJ to bacde"

[Bacde]

Can't say any more than I've said. Quicker I go the quicker you'll go after Bacde.

I don't think you realize how town I am

Just because I'm suspicious of you doesn't make me scum (if you are town)

In fact, if you are town, then self-voting and telling everyone to go after me tomorrow is the

most anti-town

thing you can be doing right now

[Bacde]

Yeah I don't even know what to do with that. MNIJ what is going on with you? Come on, defend yourself with more than just "I am new", most of us here are.

What's your read on the self vote? Scummy? Null?

"What are your opinions about things? I just wanna make sure I agree with you and not stand out too much"

Hey, Zaradi, what are

YOUR

opinions about ANYTHING that has happened in this game?

You said you don't give me town-points for the way that I got sirdanilot lynched.

ok, do you give me scumpoints?

Getting sirdanilot lynched was either town-motivated or scum-motivated, and its your job to

make a specific call and be able to support your conclusion with evidence

as town

but it looks more like you are trying to slip in and set up other lynches that aren't you, without using sound reasoning

[Bacde]

So do you actually have a response that pertains to what I wrote instead of what I didn't say?

Everything I've posted is a direct response to exactly what you said

I'm waiting on you now

don't slip

[Bacde]

Okay, my thoughts so far:

Just gonna throw this out there: if you guys have questions for me about blizz's behavior, the answer is this: I don't friggin' know. I only share a role with the guy. I don't share his mind.

Anyway, back to being productive.

My top suspicion is MNIJ. I don't care how lucky you are, quick-hammering is never a good idea, especially without even getting a claim. The mere fact that he's not eating rope for that alone astounds me.

Moreover, he's providing little to no actual analysis. From what I skimmed, his posts are sporadic and there's next to nothing in the way of scum-hunting. The only thing he has going for right now is that he hammered scum D1, but seeing as how he did literally nothing but sheep Bacade, I don't give him an inch of credit.

Really, the hammer to me looks too much like a scum gambit to get him confirmed as obvtown early. Don't think it worked.

Though on the flip-side, Bacade is null to me. I can see town and scum motivations for his current rage-state. Sure he started the pressure but it was more of just completely random. I don't give him town cred for it.

Anyone else not specifically mentioned is null or null-town. Questions?

Edit: MNIJ self-voting? Is he just trolling?

So... you don't give MNIJ town-credit for sheeping me

But... you don't give me town-credit for the lynch either

Look, at least

ONE

of us deserves town-credit, there's no way that we are both scum

...does

ANYONE

deserve town-credit for sirdanilot's lynch or was it completely random and lucky?

[Bacde]

Also, "not scumhunting" is a dumb reason to be suspicious of MNIJ

if he is town, its obvious that he has no idea what he is doing, so we need to look at other pieces of evidence to assess whether or not he is scum

I was thinking that him voting against me yesterday but then voting alongside me was a pretty good indication of that, but now I'm not sure since Zaradi is scum-central

[Bacde]

Also, my pressure on sirdanilot was

NOT

random, I even emphasized that yesterday when I was voting sirdanilot

so you can't say that my pressure on sirdanilot was "null" due to it being "random"

[Bacde]

First thing you've got right all day Bacde - I've no idea what anyone is!

MNIJ is transforming right before my eyes

its like, suddenly this looks really genuine

[Bacde]

My vote on sirdanilot

wasn't

random--I said that explicitly in #237

do I really need to go back through the 8-page thread and point out my reasoning for voting/pressuring sirdanilot to prove that?

don't accuse me of not reading your posts when you clearly aren't even reading my shortest ones!

sirdanilot would

not

have been lynched without my pressure

the fact that you are so unwilling to make the call that "MNIJ is town" or "Bacde is town" makes me think that you want to lynch both of us this game--that you are scum

[Bacde]

You asked for my opinions. I already gave them. If you wanna respond them instead of just saying "it reeks", be my guest.

No, you didn't give any opinions. Your big long post basically just said

"I'm willing to vote MNIJ right now. Everyone else in the game is a null-read to me"

In fact, you even summarized the things I did with a few paragraphs, and said "this could be town or scum", which is a whole lot of words to say

absolutely nothing of substance

[Bacde]

First thing you've got right all day Bacde - I've no idea what anyone is!

Then read! Do stuff! Form opinions! Ask questions! Do something!

Why are you coaching the player that you think is scum?

Are you hiding the fact that you maybe don't think he's scum? Are

YOU

the scum?

[Bacde]

Just got back from a debate tournament, let's catch up with more of Bacde's misrepresentations:

The fact that I'm not explicitly calling you town doesn't mean I want you lynched. By that logic I want everyone lynched since I've called everyone either null or scum and haven't called anyone town.

You're also trying to tell a guy who just got into this game a few hours ago that having one scum read and the rest null isn't townie enough.....'kay. Seems legit.

Also, just because you have a massive tunnel-hard-on for me with no actual reasoning behind it, that doesn't mean that my analysis didn't have substance behind it.

Moreover, are you really calling me scummy for

trying to help someone be a more productive townie?

IN A BEGINNER'S GAME!?!?! Is this a real thing?????

@Bacde: Will you put an actual case against me together or are you just gonna keep spamming this DP with 5 posts at a time?

I'm pretty sure thats a slip

in other news I gave this game 24 hours to breathe on its own without me but no one even posted so yeah, I'm gonna say that I'm town leader right now

So does anyone have any good reasons to

NOT

lynch Zaradi at this point?

if not then sheep me,

Vote: Zaradi

[Bacde]

Just got back from a debate tournament, let's catch up with more of Bacde's misrepresentations:

The fact that I'm not explicitly calling you town doesn't mean I want you lynched. By that logic I want everyone lynched since I've called everyone either null or scum and haven't called anyone town.

You're also trying to tell a guy who just got into this game a few hours ago that having one scum read and the rest null isn't townie enough.....'kay. Seems legit.

Also, just because you have a massive tunnel-hard-on for me with no actual reasoning behind it, that doesn't mean that my analysis didn't have substance behind it.

Moreover, are you really calling me scummy for trying to help someone be a more productive townie? IN A BEGINNER'S GAME!?!?! Is this a real thing?????

@Bacde: Will you put an actual case against me together or are you just gonna keep spamming this DP with 5 posts at a time?

I gave you 24 hours, what are your reads now?

I've read the same thread you have, so you should be just as capable as me of coming up w/ reads at this point

[Bacde]

^^lynch this

[Bacde]

Just got back from a debate tournament, let's catch up with more of Bacde's misrepresentations:

The fact that I'm not explicitly calling you town doesn't mean I want you lynched. By that logic I want everyone lynched since I've called everyone either null or scum and haven't called anyone town.

You're also trying to tell a guy who just got into this game a few hours ago that having one scum read and the rest null isn't townie enough.....'kay. Seems legit.

Also, just because you have a massive tunnel-hard-on for me with no actual reasoning behind it, that doesn't mean that my analysis didn't have substance behind it.

Moreover, are you really calling me scummy for

trying to help someone be a more productive townie?

IN A BEGINNER'S GAME!?!?! Is this a real thing?????

@Bacde: Will you put an actual case against me together or are you just gonna keep spamming this DP with 5 posts at a time?

I'm pretty sure thats a slip

in other news I gave this game 24 hours to breathe on its own without me but no one even posted so yeah, I'm gonna say that I'm town leader right now

So does anyone have any good reasons to

NOT

lynch Zaradi at this point?

if not then sheep me,

Vote: Zaradi

in this post you called your top suspect a "townie"

as though you had knowledge that MNIJ is town

discuss

[Bacde]

So I see you ignore my call for you to make an actual case, instead insisting that I "slipped" without any sort of explanation as to how that's a slip. That's understandable though, seeing how it isn't a slip so there wouldn't be any justification that you could make.

Moreover, asking people to sheep you is scummy as fuck. That's definitely not something you should be encouraging people to do if you're town. If you were scum, however, it'd be nice to have townies sheep you so that you didn't have to worry about anyone disagreeing with you and not voting in your favor.

I'll also tell you what. Since you gave the game 24 hours to "breathe" even when I was calling for you to actually get your shit together and make a case against me for me to respond to,

I'll show you mine if you show me yours

. Otherwise, have fun convincing people I'm scum with no actual case for why I'm scum.

tee hee

[Bacde]

No...that post doesn't have any prior knowledge implied...in...any way.

Moreover, even if he is my top suspect, I still fail to see how it's scummy to encourage him to become a better townie. This is a beginner's game, we should be encouraging them to become better in their play, regardless of their affiliation.

Also, still no case? Why are you putting it off? If I'm as scummy as you say there should be plenty of stuff just lying around. Wouldn't take more than 5 minutes. What's the hold up?

And,

@Mod: Can we get some of the others prodded? As much as I like being the only person active, along with Bacde....

there is no hold up

everything I've posted since you replaced in is a case against you

and you haven't responded to anything except to say that my evidence isn't good enough for you for some reason

well its good enough for me, so unless you convince me otherwise I figure you're getting lynched

[Bacde]

I'm starting to have second thoughts about lynching Bacde next. I think if we take out a couple of others with no luck then we can turn our attention back to him. The nagging doubt I have, is why was he not killed by the mafia? Did the mafia kill give away their role?

The mafia killed safetydance--someone else who was essential for the lynch of sirdanilot

the kill made sense to me, especially since it was likely that I was night-protected last night

[Bacde]

fuck yes lets do this

first of all, my vote on sirdanilot wasn't random at all, and I will explain that to you as soon as I'm done with yardwork today

[Bacde]

and, hell yeah I deserve credit for the sirdanilot lynch because my vote

wasn't random

I was the only guy pressuring sirdanilot

in fact, my pressure was

SO PRESSUREFUL

that other people

UNVOTED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE PRESSURE WAS CRAZY

[Bacde]

and, hell yeah I deserve credit for the sirdanilot lynch because my vote

wasn't random

I was the only guy pressuring sirdanilot

in fact, my pressure was

SO PRESSUREFUL

that other people

UNVOTED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE PRESSURE WAS CRAZY

Your vote was random. I proved it was random. Balls in your court now.

I really don't give two fucks who was pressuring sirdinalot since that's not my argument at all. The pressure was still random.

lol @ you saying that you "proved" it was random

you can't "prove" it was random--since it wasn't

Still going to show you why I voted sirdanilot later today

[Bacde]

Reasons why Bacde voted sirdanilot

Just got my pm. Was thinking of declining since I'll be moving, but I don't think it should be too big a deal since Day 1 is three weeks long.

Wait so you think it's okay to get into a game while you know you're going to be v/la? How is this pro-town behaviour exactly?

Weird pressuring of a player who was going to be V/LA

Also I forgot to react on this interesting bit

(1)Bacde is town for joining a wagon + trying to gauge reactions
(2)MadWitch trying to pressure a guy who's going to be v/la. Hmmm
(3)MCD not understanding that lurking is bad! Lynch All Lurkers!

1. Firstly, telling who you find town is generally not a good idea. It doesn't help the town team in any way, while it does help the scum team as they know who is generally viewed as town by town and thus threatening to them. In games with more experienced players (which does not exempt you or anyone here, it remains to be seen at what level you guys play, despite the fact that it's a newbie game) people saying that others are town are usually scum, because they know damn well you shouldn't be going around telling people are town and it does make them look more town themselves without actually contributing. This strategy is called 'buddying'.
2. Whether this is iffy or not depends on context. I see no reason not to question snooperfax right now.
3. Doesn't this contradict point (2)?

pointing out page 1 contradictions is scum behavior more often than not

IC-stuff: If I or anyone else uses an obscure abbrevaition that isn't in the list on the wiki, just ask me

sirdanilot doesn't seem to like it when people get some townie vibes from some players... While I agree the focus should be on the mafia hunt, it's not that much of a deal if someone thinks someone else is more town. I mean in such a small game I expect it would be obvious after some time anyway. And it's at least some kind of statement after all. But that's just me.

Seems you don't like it when other players could get some kind of safe hold in the game?

Hold it right there.

vote MadWitch

That's a misrep (misrepresentation) of what I said. What I said is that outright stating that X and Y are town is not a pro-town thing to do. Don't misrep !

That doesn't mean that you cannot think yourself that X and Y are town; indeed, you can use this info yourself to narrow down your scumhunting on more suspicious people. But saying that people are town is just not a very good town tactic. It is, however, a good tactic for scum as it makes X and Y feel cozy and warm towards that person (buddying).

Rather than explain why he thinks the misrep is scummy, he explains why one shouldn't misrep. It was weird that he moved his vote if this is all he could say about it

ALL OF THESE REASONS MADE ME VOTE FOR SIRDANILOT, BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE AFTER I VOTED

unvote

vote Bacde

This is idiotic. Quicklynch on page 3 is the WORST THING TO DO FOR TOWN. You miss out on heaps of discussion, half the votes are random so unreadable.

If you guys are actually serious about this, I should at least get a chance to claim by the way. If someone hammers before I claim, they are 100% scum.

OMGUS vote to my mostly-joke suggestion of a "quicklynch", speaks to me as though I am town even though he is voting for me

Says he should get a "chance" to claim rather than just claiming immediately

pretty sure you are at L-1 still so you should somewhat be on the defensive right now
besides me, who else is mafia sirdanilot?

also, why do you care so much about pretending to be town?

I count 3 votes on me. Look, if you seriously want to threaten me, that's alright and perhaps even a pro-town tactic (except for the fact that there'd be a claim on PAGE THREE and half the bandwagon is still RANDOM). Problem is: you don't seem to do it because you find me scum. All you said about my alignment was 'reading whether sirdanilot is scum or town', and then 'oh he's at l-2 so let's vote him and try for a quicklynch', basically. When the wagon dies down now you can easily slip away pretending this whole deal never happened. And if the wagon would succeed you could easily say 'ah but I was only gauging reactions' as soon as I flip town. Except I don't let people like you get off the hook that easily.

As for who else is scum: I was thinking MadWitch (my vote before you barged in). Still awaiting a response.

and this post was just bullshit since I never "slip away" since I prefer being in the spotlight

-------------

Also, I want to say to you that if you truly believe that my vote on sirdanilot was "random", then you would

HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT I AM TOWN

, since scum

NEVER

busses their partner "randomly"--

it is ALWAYS done with the goal of gaining town-credit

Basically, there is a LOT more going on in my head than I get out, since it is SUPER beneficial to get reactions out of people and see how they hold up against what you think is happening. I've told you multiple times that my vote on sirdanilot was

NOT

random, and the fact that you are really pushing this is ridiculous!

Also, you seem to not be fully aware of what is happening in the thread (not being fully aware is often a symptom of cognitive dissonance, which occurs in scum).

YOU

are the one with 3 votes right now, thus I really have no motive to try to "stick my hands in my ears and try to make you go away"

[Bacde]

Unvote

What the butt, guys

[Bacde]

ETL is so town it hurts

[Bacde]

I'm starting to have second thoughts about lynching Bacde next. I think if we take out a couple of others with no luck then we can turn our attention back to him. The nagging doubt I have, is why was he not killed by the mafia? Did the mafia kill give away their role?

The mafia killed safetydance--someone else who was essential for the lynch of sirdanilot

the kill made sense to me, especially since it was likely that

I was night-protected last night

Bacde, where does this assumption come from?

Uh, I'm not sure if you've read d1 but go ahead and look back and tell me who safetydance's (the doctor's) top townreads were

[Bacde]

I honestly don't feel like any player was more town than I was on d1, if I was the doctor and d1 happened, I would have protected Bacde

thats where the assumption comes from

[Bacde]

If I didn't agree with Bacde's opinion on Zaradi, I'd vote Bacde.

However,

VOTE: Zaradi

forgive me for being 100% sketched out by you at all times seeing how the last game we were in you just blew in and quickhammered me

[Bacde]

If I didn't agree with Bacde's opinion on Zaradi, I'd vote Bacde.

However,

VOTE: Zaradi

forgive me for being 100% sketched out by you at all times seeing how the last game we were in you just blew in and quickhammered me

<3 No hard feelings?

Well, dude

you replaced into another one of my games and are throwing suspicion at me w/ every post and you aren't even explaining yourself

I'm still kinda sketched

but I think you are town this game

Who did you replace again?

[Bacde]

Ah, madwitch

you are probably town then

[Bacde]

Ughhh

that AtE got me

it really did

it feels genuine

[Bacde]

also it was at the bottom of the page

i could see missing it

I didn't really notice there was no night kill until you two started arguing about it

[Bacde]

Was not sure whether to show my face here after getting it wrong, sorry guys. Back to my original thought that Bacde and Sirdimalot were playing us from the start.

VOTE BACDE

You need to scumhunt

not just blatantly accept other people's thoughts

but actually ask other people where their thought processes are coming from, and try to determine which one seems scum-motivated

[Bacde]

For instance, I considered just voting you right off the bat here as well MNIJ

but what if we are both town?

Then this town will be reduced to 3-player lylo with no real information

We need to find the most suspicious player outside of the 2 of us, just in case

[Bacde]

by the way, I've been sort of assuming that the next two lynches will be, in order

MNIJ -> Bacde

but if MNIJ isn't scum, and I'm not scum, then town will be reduced to 3p lylo and we need to scumhunt outside of MNIJ and myself just in case

[Bacde]

MNIJ why did you hammer? You gave no reason other than that you were sheeping my suspicions.

If you are going to vote for bacde, would you mind, please, collecting your reasons and evidence into a post for us?

now do you understand why I was suspicious of him yesterday?

Please reread D1 and don't act like the quickhammer was a surprise

[Bacde]

Hmm. just noticed that. what do you make of it?

you are being awfully passive

what do

YOU

make of it?

[Bacde]

That wasn't me being passive. That was me asking a question. What do I think of it? Stupid scum, obviously. They needed the kill last night, but didn't take it. Why would they do that?

*shrug* I have to admit, though. MNIJ's hammer was rather suspicious. I did something like that as scum once, but I got away with it. I don't want that to happen again, but, like bacde said, I think we should hunt outside him for a while to gather our own reads and organize them a bit more.

NOW you guys are saying that MNIJ's quickhammers are suspicious?!?

NOW you guys think MNIJ might not be thinking clearly?!

Did ANYBODY read d1?

geez

[Bacde]

yeah no way would I have killed MNIJ

I probably would have killed you tbh

[Bacde]

or maybe fuzzy since he was suspicious of me yesterday for some reason?

[Bacde]

MNIJ you sly dog

I told you I have high hopes for you

You have a lot of potential buddy

BTW, now you have to either:

A) Argue why you'd be the nightkill target

B) Counter-claim JK

C) Argue that the mafia must have no-killed (this option means you have to scumhunt--very difficult)

[Bacde]

You forgot D) Give up and admit scum defeat.

Actually MNIJ has been playing a really good game

He got us off his trail on d2 and he handled my pressure really well

I wouldn't recommend he take option D, it takes the fun out of the game

[Bacde]

I am a vanilla town. Does that mean ETL is lying, or is there another possibility?

What do you think of my post where I offer you 3 options?

Did you find it funny?

Did you find it offensive?

[Bacde]

I am a vanilla town. Does that mean ETL is lying, or is there another possibility?

Where did you hear the term "vanilla" from?

Its not on any of the front three posts

[Bacde]

Vanilla is mentioned in post two of this topic. Either you are blind Bacde or just a bit special.

Woah, why so hostile?

Am I poking at a sensitive area?

[Bacde]

Vote: MNIJ

BTW

I hope the scum didn't target him

[Bacde]

Fuzz mr bacde here hasn't even voted. Don't you find that odd, considering his push on MNIJ the past two days?

lol is it odd that I wanted to give MNIJ a chance to respond?

[Bacde]

lol if MNIJ isn't scum and ETL isn't scum and I'm not scum then this game is probably lost

MNIJ, if you were town, it was your job to try to find the other possibility of who was mafia. Self-voting was not the correct option regardless of your alignment.

ETL, please jailkeep me tonight

[Bacde]

actually, JK whoever the hell you want

[Bacde]

I wouldn't be surprised if ETL is mafia

You shouldn't have self hammered MNIJ

Thats the same as giving up.

You should have grown the backbone

[Bacde]

Things change

Like how yesterday I completely changed my opinion as to who the mafia was--I switched to Zaradi--but I was totally wrong

When you asked me if I was "One of those pro mafia players I have heard about" I answered yes--but I was being sarcastic.

I have no clue what is going on in this thread--just like you have no clue

I'm just doing my best.

I never gave up though.

I'd love to play a game with you again if you'd take these ideas to heart:

1) The job of finding scum is yours and yours alone
2) Don't ever give up

[Bacde]

If you had even tried to argue your way out of this lynch I would have listened to you.

Thats why I didn't vote you until your post that basically said "Is there another possibility?" which is your way of saying "I don't want to try to figure out who the mafia is, does anyone else want to?"

The best thing you can do right now to salvage this game is tell us who you think the mafia is

RIGHT NOW

before the thread is locked

[Bacde]

I've seen people go from L-1 to obvtown in a few short pages MANY times

Don't ever give up ever again MNIJ

[Bacde]

Fuzz mr bacde here hasn't even voted. Don't you find that odd, considering his push on MNIJ the past two days?

Now I understand why you made this post

you are setting me up aren't you

Ugh if you win this game then you deserved it

[Bacde]

welp

[Bacde]

this is gonna be a rough d4

[Bacde]

Vote: No Lynch

[Bacde]

eh I completely didn't realize or forgot that we had a confirmed town

Unvote

well if you guys wanna explain your gut go ahead and tell me why so I can help you see why its wrong, otherwise I bet its wisdom because I don't like how he's talking to you like he is confirmed town too

if you read the game you can see pretty clearly that I was the deciding factor in sirdanilot's lynch. That doesn't clear me at all, but I think its a good starting point when unraveling the mystery that is newbie 1346

[Bacde]

why would I convince you that its fuzzy when I think its you

[Bacde]

well if you are town and you lynch me you lose too buddy so you are just as motivated to not mislynch as i am

if you are indeed town

[Bacde]

me probably

i actually thought ETL was lying and was mafia before today happened so I'm really out of the loop right now and completely unthreatened by the thought of being lynched

ETL probably actually thought that I was the mafia when he saw MNIJ flip town

[Bacde]

maybe he did maybe he didn't

either way I don't care since I'm town and it doesn't affect my knowledge base in any way

All I know is that his jail failed to prevent a kill

[Bacde]

so you basically are completely sure that wisdom is town is what you are saying

because that is the only reason why it would be odd for me to not want to make a case on you right now

[Bacde]

tbh in my one scumgame where I made it to lylo I pushed myself being town since "I know I'm town" pretty hard

I don't understand why there seem to be people sketched out by me, if you'd like to explain your suspicion further I'd love that

I honestly think that there is something to be gained from d1, if you could both reread d1 with a fresh set of eyes with regards to our three slots I think we may be able to find the scum

I'ma do the same myself

[Bacde]

wisdom, what do you think happened

you are asking a lot of questions and not giving a lot of opinions

[Bacde]

and do you have any questions for me about what I was thinking during this time or anything?

i know I just talked about you asking a lot of questions but its ok if they are for me

[Bacde]

Now that I saw that, I probably agree with fuzzy.

welp

im not sure what you are agreeing with him about but just the fact that its you two agreeing about something indicates to me that a townie has got something wrong

[Bacde]

it has something to do with my thought processes coming up to the lynch on d1

you can always, ya know, ask me

instead of do whatever it is that is causing the one of you two that is town to be incorrect right now

[Bacde]

lol that was me thinking that MNIJ was being funny

[Bacde]

I like things that I think are funny

[Bacde]

I feel like I should explain further

at that point in time, I still thought that MNIJ was scum

saying "I like him he has potential" was more meant towards MNIJ as a person, though at that time I thought the slot was scum

[Bacde]

based on the number of facepalms on this page I'd guess that wisdom is scum

I've never seen him do that shit before

He's pretty bad at reading me and he knows it, and hes quoting shit that makes me look good, not bad

so fuzzy, if you want to win the game go ahead and ask me my thought processeses during the game

I'm the only one who has been here since d1 so you young whippersnappers have no idea what I've been through

Yes, I still claim credit for lynching sirdanilot. I see that Wisdom quoted where JKMatthews said "Bacde you didn't lynch sirdanilot, MNIJ did" but that is completely wrong. MNIJ just hammered tbh, I was the one who pressured sirdanilot and I was the one who got the OMGUS vote, and my vote was powerful enough to get JKMatthews to unvote before he was ready to vote again

So yeah, I've played strongly this game and I'm proud of my play so far, and whatever parts you are quoting trying to find little holes in my thoughts or whatever are completely misguided since I'm town

Why was I so convinced MNIJ was scum? Mostly because I had just finished this game

[Bacde]

forgot to link the game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25862

basically, in that game I was scum, and I immediately panic-hammered when my partner made it to L-1. I assumed I was seeing the same thing

[Bacde]

So I'll reestate that the possibilities after the JK claim are:

1. Bacde targetted MNIJ
2. fuzzy targetted MNIJ
3. Bacde no-killed
4. fuzzy no-killed

MNIJ had just quick-hammered for the second time. It feels weird that anyone at all would target him. If I was fuzzy, I would probably kill Bacde (Bacde was starting to accuse fuzzy). I cannot see why fuzzy would kill MNIJ over Bacde, it makes no sense. Not that it makes much sense for Bacde either, but I don't see who else Bacde would shoot; He was buddying ETL so he didn't need to kill him, fuzzy was being a nuisance and helping with the mislynching, and the other two (xDiablo and JKMatthews) were inactive. So maybe. And if we assume no-kill, Bacde is the more likely scum again, since he's more experienced and it makes more sense that he would think it might be helpful than that fuzzy would think that.

this post indicates to me that you either haven't read d1 and d2 and d3

or that you are obvious fucking scum

there's no way in hell I woulda shot MNIJ, my primary FoS, who I was able to make other people suspicious of too

MAYBE I woulda NKed, but I doubt it considering that there was no indication of a JK existing at that point in the game

imo maf targetted MNIJ and failed

[Bacde]

So I'll reestate that the possibilities after the JK claim are:

1. Bacde targetted MNIJ
2. fuzzy targetted MNIJ
3. Bacde no-killed
4. fuzzy no-killed

MNIJ had just quick-hammered for the second time. It feels weird that anyone at all would target him. If I was fuzzy, I would probably kill Bacde (Bacde was starting to accuse fuzzy). I cannot see why fuzzy would kill MNIJ over Bacde, it makes no sense. Not that it makes much sense for Bacde either, but I don't see who else Bacde would shoot; He was buddying ETL so he didn't need to kill him, fuzzy was being a nuisance and helping with the mislynching, and the other two (xDiablo and JKMatthews) were inactive. So maybe. And if we assume no-kill, Bacde is the more likely scum again, since he's more experienced and it makes more sense that he would think it might be helpful than that fuzzy would think that.

this post indicates to me that you either haven't read d1 and d2 and d3

or that you are obvious fucking scum

there's no way in hell I woulda shot MNIJ, my primary FoS, who I was able to make other people suspicious of too

MAYBE I woulda NKed, but I doubt it considering that there was no indication of a JK existing at that point in the game

imo maf targetted MNIJ and failed

[Bacde]

Bacde just because you become indignant doesn't mean that you're town. You're an experienced enough player to know that it truly isn't that farfetched to believe that a partner would vote his own to make the town hesitant to hammer on D1, especially with SirDan crying out about a speed lynch. It worked enough to get one player to unvote. Your reaction to MNIJ when he actually did hammer is what sticks out to me. Way too early for such an obvious bussing between MNIJ and SirDan, and the way you tried to twist it after it happened looked scummy to me.

Damn I love my predecessor, it's like he's in my mind.

Are you fucking kidding me?

When have you seen someone vote their partner with the intention of making other players not vote their partner?

Wisdom when did you become retarded?

Oh you are scum aren't you

[Bacde]

also, Blizz being replaced

AFTER

the night and not

DURING

the night is indicative of him being a vanilla townie

Why would you speculate about that? Rolefishing attempt.

lol

The last time someone quoted

all

of my posts and there was like a "scum motivation" behind every single one he was scum

Wisdom how could you man

[Bacde]

Usually wisdom doesn't care about affecting other people's opinions but in this game I can see he's playing fuzzybutternut like a lute

help me tne kenobie, you're our only hope

[Bacde]

The nagging doubt I have, is why was he not killed by the mafia?

lol I never thought of this.

If Bacde was really such a strong townie, why was he not killed? Why is he still alive?

I wanna facepalm that I just now thought of this.

how is it suspicious in any way that sirdanilot was killed d1 instead of me? He was also essential to the lynch of sirdanilot

and explain to me why it makes sense for

any

player slot to have targetted MNIJ d2? It doesn't. Although it makes even LESS sense for my player slot to do it considering that going into d2 everyone was thinking "Well its either Bacde or MNIJ"

And duh it makes sense that the claimed JK would have died before me

Basically I can tell you aren't thinking about this specific game and these circumstances that we are in when you throw out your generic blazen reasons for thinking I'm scum

[Bacde]

The nagging doubt I have, is why was he not killed by the mafia?

lol I never thought of this.

If Bacde was really such a strong townie, why was he not killed? Why is he still alive?

I wanna facepalm that I just now thought of this.

how is it suspicious in any way that

safetydance

was killed d1 instead of me? He was also essential to the lynch of sirdanilot

and explain to me why it makes sense for

any

player slot to have targetted MNIJ d2? It doesn't. Although it makes even LESS sense for my player slot to do it considering that going into d2 everyone was thinking "Well its either Bacde or MNIJ"

And duh it makes sense that the claimed JK would have died before me

Basically I can tell you aren't thinking about this specific game and these circumstances that we are in when you throw out your generic blazen reasons for thinking I'm scum

edit

[Bacde]

^^Yeah I agree, MW was definitely not a bad vote

Makes me wonder about my read on sirdanilot

its a potential bus vote, but I'm still feeling better about sirdanilot-scum than MW-scum

This however isn't. He's trying to take his scumreadon on sirdanilot back.

He also agrees with sirdanilot's MadWitch scumread, possibly to make town look at that direction.

its like, so fucking obvious this post isn't "trying to take his scumreadon sirdanilot back" that I'm really disappointed in you wisdom

like really really disappointed

this post literally says "I'm still feeling better about sirdanilot-scum than MW-scum" which is the OPPOSITE OF TAKING BACK A SCUMREAD, ITS SAYING THAT YOU STILL HAVE IT

[Bacde]

The nagging doubt I have, is why was he not killed by the mafia?

lol I never thought of this.

If Bacde was really such a strong townie, why was he not killed? Why is he still alive?

I wanna facepalm that I just now thought of this.

how is it suspicious in any way that sirdanilot was killed d1 instead of me? He was also essential to the lynch of sirdanilot

and explain to me why it makes sense for

any

player slot to have targetted MNIJ d2? It doesn't. Although it makes even LESS sense for my player slot to do it considering that going into d2 everyone was thinking "Well its either Bacde or MNIJ"

And duh it makes sense that the claimed JK would have died before me

Basically I can tell you aren't thinking about this specific game and these circumstances that we are in when you throw out your generic blazen reasons for thinking I'm scum

I just realized I'm getting my days messed up, my argument still holds but the days might be slightly different

[Bacde]

However, Bacde's pressuring of MIJN throws me off a bit. I could understand if the lynch was a townie, but it was scum, and we should be happy that he did that. You seem to have a bit of acid on your tongue when speaking to him.

VOTE: Bacde

Damn, now that I'm reading it, this seems honest for a first accusation.

I agree with this sentiment

I think Wisdom is scum

[Bacde]

i like MNIJ

he's might still be learning the etiquette of this game but he's got potential

Yeah this troubles me. Everyone was mad at MNIJ for hammering like that, including Bacde, yet Bacde suddenly changes his attitude to this. I don't know if I buy that he found him funny, I see nothing funny. Especially during this time that everyone is waiting for the flip after this terrible hammer.

its a newbie game dude

everyone was ragging on him and I thought he was being funny

just wanted to be positive in a sea of negativity you know

I fail to see how this comment could be alignment indicative tbh

I think you are just making a mountain out of a molehill since you have to to achieve your win condition, which is against the town

[Bacde]

Yeah, finished the reread.

Verdict: It's probably Bacde, but there are some things I don't like about fuzzy too. He lurked a lot and was on both mislynches. I am not entirely sure, tbh. But I do lean Bacde.

tne, you take it from here.

tne, look at this

You should know that Wisdom has little faith in your reads or your abilities whatsoever

I mean, thats the impression I get from Wisdom

yet for some reason in this game, he is leaving the hammer up to you? I fucking doubt it

He is mafia and doesn't care which of us between me and fuzzy you lynch. If you chose fuzzy, he probably would have done a fake "well i think its bacde but its your choice" and then go for that one too

[Bacde]

basically I'm making the call here that if wisdom was town, he'd be good enough to see that I'm town too

Especially since there's no way I'd have targetted MNIJ on n2, the night that there was no kill

because in the day before everyone was saying "Ok I guess we lynch Zaradi, our top two suspects from here on out are Bacde and MNIJ"

so Wisdom is scum, its that simple

[Bacde]

fuck its like you read just so you could tunnel on me, instead of reading for the context of the game

if you had read context you would have realized that none of your arguments make any fucking sense

[Bacde]

also what happened to Wisdom agreeing with me that I was probably the jailkeep target last night?

Oh yeah he just conveniently forgot about that piece of evidence when he wanted to "conclude" that I must be mafia for whatever reason

[Bacde]

based on context, what do you think?

[Bacde]

its a newbie game dude

everyone was ragging on him and I thought he was being funny

just wanted to be positive in a sea of negativity you know

I fail to see how this comment could be alignment indicative tbh

I think you are just making a mountain out of a molehill since you have to to achieve your win condition, which is against the town

You raged on him as well - "MNIJ you motherfucker", then completely changed your attitude to "I like him". I don't see why anyone town-aligned would try to be "positive" at that moment, while waiting for such an important flip.

It doesn't matter if you "see" why or why not I did what I did... I DID IT!!

sirdanilot was being negative towards MNIJ and he was scum... I was both positive and negative towards MNIJ at that moment of time and I am town. One's positivity or negativity towards MNIJ for the first quickhammer doesn't have a bearing on ones alignment; why are you using it as an argument?

[Bacde]

woah this is crazy I'm being drowned out here

I'm gonna ignore the both of you because one of you is mafia and riding the gravy train here

-------------------

tne, I need you to scumhunt the ups and downs of me and do it hardcore like you've never done before cause I'm town and I'll pass any "test" you have thats actually worth a damn

from there we are gonna figure out whether the scum is wisdom or fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure its wisdom

[Bacde]

fuck its like you read just so you could tunnel on me, instead of reading for the context of the game

if you had read context you would have realized that none of your arguments make any fucking sense

Actually I read for the context. Which is why I also pointed out things that make fuzzy look bad. Also things that make you look good. Had I wanted to tunnel, why bother doing that?

this is fake as fuck

[Bacde]

you barely pointed out anything about fuzzy

and you are hardcore tunnelling on me right now

[Bacde]

also what happened to Wisdom agreeing with me that I was probably the jailkeep target last night?

Oh yeah he just conveniently forgot about that piece of evidence when he wanted to "conclude" that I must be mafia for whatever reason

We have absolutely no evidence that you were the JK target. We can only speculate. You said it yourself: "maybe he did, maybe he didn't". You asked him to jail you, which is WIFOM. There's a high chance that he decided against jailing you

exactly because

you asked him to do so. So don't try to use this as evidence, because we do not know what exactly happened.

lol dude you agreed with me that I was probably the jailkeep target

honestly I doubt he would have targetted anyone besides me, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA BE THE MAFIA WHEN MNIJ WAS GONNA FLIP TOWN

haha thats so funny to me hold on

I'm actually laughing to myself that I thought I would be fighting with ETL right now this game is so crazy

[Bacde]

dude the funny thing is I'm actually town and I actually thought that ETL was mafia and I'm obviously not the best at this game

BUT I STILL DEMAND CREDIT FOR THE SIRDANILOT LYNCH DAMNIT

I'm doing the best I can and I KNOW that one of Wisdom/fuzzybutternut is town and completely WRONG about me

I dunno what to do but keep pushing my point tbh

I'm gonna keep playing to my win condition

---
whichever of the two of you that actually thinks I am mafia is town

whichever of the two of you that just wants me lynched is mafia
--- (this is mostly to tne)
I think fuzzybutternut actually thinks I am mafia, and I think Wisdom is playing an act and just wants me lynched

[Bacde]

It doesn't matter if you "see" why or why not I did what I did... I DID IT!!

sirdanilot was being negative towards MNIJ and he was scum... I was both positive and negative towards MNIJ at that moment of time and I am town. One's positivity or negativity towards MNIJ for the first quickhammer doesn't have a bearing on ones alignment; why are you using it as an argument?

Because town was

frustrated

at that moment because of the stupid hammer - why the hell would they be positive? And why the hell would they be positive

right after

being negative?

dude I TOLD you!

I was reaching out to a newbie who I thought was mafia and who I thought was being funny and obvious

lol you aren't listening at all

this is why I think you are mafia

[Bacde]

fuck its like you read just so you could tunnel on me, instead of reading for the context of the game

if you had read context you would have realized that none of your arguments make any fucking sense

Actually I read for the context. Which is why I also pointed out things that make fuzzy look bad. Also things that make you look good. Had I wanted to tunnel, why bother doing that?

this is fake as fuck

Eh, no. It's pretty obvious that I am aware of the whole context now and that my quotes include good and bad moments for both of you.

no its not obvious because you have been tunnelling on me and ignoring fuzzy basically

[Bacde]

no screw you I was about to mention less pressure

do you know how much satisfaction I would get from lynching you if you were the scum right now?

do you fucking know?

hold on my thoughts are swirling right now


ok basically I want to say that you have a LOT of balls for trying to tunnel me right now when I'm town

because I can answer any of your questions immediately and I'm not afraid at all because IM TELLING THE TRUTH

[Bacde]

so you need to get off your fucking high horse of "I'm going to lynch somebody now who is it going to be" BECAUSE YOU ARE A SUSPECT AS WELL YOU DUMB SHIT

and right now you look fucking bad to me

and we are both arguing as fuck when we have this lurky fuck of fuzzy right next to us who doesn't even know if I think you are scum or not

but we are going to ignore him because you are SO IDIOTICALLY CONFIDENT IN YOURSELF

that it is more important to you that i MAKE A FUCKING CASE ON FUZZY

than decide independentally myself whether I think the mafia is you or fuzzy

well guess what fucktard, I think its you, and I'm gonna get tne to agree with me and lynch you unless you fucking admit that you are a suspicious fuck and that you are town that you don't know whether I'm town or mafia and that hey maybe this recent outburst sounds town and that you want to reconsider and win this game and hey beg me for forgiveness because it WASNT ME WHO CAUSED US TO LOSE LESS PRESSURE IT WAS YOU DAMNIT IT WAS YOU

[Bacde]

honestly right now I'd rather lynch you and be wrong than lynch fuzzy and be wrong, so you have a LOT of work to do if you want me to argue for someone other than you to be lynched

[Bacde]

i feel bad about all the curses I made

@Mod I apologize feel free to edit out any and all of it

[Bacde]

to be fair, if you were town and lynched me I wouldn't really care, I feel like I've already done enough damage to this game

the ONLY reason I'm so invested in this right now is because I think you are mafia and if you get a mislynch of me off and you are mafia I wouldn't be able to live that down

[Bacde]

I did feel like you were a major contributor to our loss in less pressure mafia, despite me having said "my bad"

but that is neither here nor there

it probably would be very therapeutic for me to express those feelings to you in a pm or something though

[Bacde]

basically, I'm not very invested in showing you why fuzzy is mafia

and if you are town, then you are EXACTLY as motivated as I am to see why fuzzy is mafia, since we have the same win condition

so don't go acting like I have a different duty than you do

[Bacde]

I feel like I've done damage to the game since I was able to push off a really good lynch on d1 but haven't found the mafia since and people were suspicious of me on d2 for some reason?

which I thought was ridiculous BOTH because I had already lynched a mafia decisively d1 and because I was focusing on the second person who I thought was mafia (MNIJ, I said I thought he might be the mafia on d1, I said his hammer was a probable scum panic hammer)

[Bacde]

Well I've said the reasons I think fuzzy might be scum, and I've said the reasons I think you are scum. What else is there to my duty?

well for one, if you are town you did your duty completely wrong since you've made the wrong conclusion

[Bacde]

if thats even a conclusion at all?

listing reasons why either of us could be mafia isn't really helping much, even if you say that you think one is more likely

[Bacde]

if thats even a conclusion at all?

listing reasons why either of us could be mafia isn't really helping much, even if you say that you think one is more likely

What should I do then?

solidify your read

if you are going to tunnel on me being mafia, tunnel on fuzzy being town

if you are town, and you are as good as you say, you won't be able to make a strong case on fuzzy being town since he would be mafia

[Bacde]

Yeah, I'm here-ish. Playing minecraft too. Bacde says you're scum, but then says that you could be town, which doesn't make sense. He's talking in circles. He's contradicting himself. He's scum.

Why doesn't it make sense?

[Bacde]

Yeah, I'm here-ish. Playing minecraft too. Bacde says you're scum, but then says that you could be town, which doesn't make sense. He's talking in circles. He's contradicting himself. He's scum.

What part of what I've said is "talking in circles"?

[Bacde]

I can't make a case on you being town either.

you answered this so quickly that I know you didn't even try

[Bacde]

Yeah, I'm here-ish. Playing minecraft too. Bacde says you're scum, but then says that you could be town, which doesn't make sense. He's talking in circles. He's contradicting himself. He's scum.

Why doesn't it make sense?

Because you said he was scum. Like, definitely scum. Then you say there's a possibility that he is town. Then you plea to him

if

he is town.

Which is also talking in circles. You're essentially WIFOMing yourself.

What do you mean by "WIFOMing" myself?

What do I gain from doing it as scum? I want you to clearly think about why you think I am mafia.

Yes obviously I am sometimes going to talk to Wisdom as though he might be town.

I don't know who the mafia is

do you?

[Bacde]

Yeah, listen fuzzy. I'll tell you something from experience. In my first game, I ended up in 3p lylo as confirmed town. I was certain about who the scum is but I wanted to be completely sure, so I wanted to interact with them. The one that I thought was scum kept talking with me for the whole day, while the other one lurked/was inactive and only came in to throw comments such as "You're right, Wisdom, he's scum", sort of what you are doing. Do you know what happened? I hammered the inactive one - the scum convinced me.

What I'm trying to tell you? If you are town, you're not doing it right if you're letting Bacde convince me. The more he talks, the more I and tne might be convinced he's town. And when that happens, he will win.

So start participating in the discussion, and stop lurking.

here's where wisdom is doing the talking as though he is confirmed town, and speaking about whoever he is going to lynch

wisdom, I'm not getting lynched because I'm town

and I have no ulterior motive, so I'm not going to push the lynch on someone I don't think is mafia

fuzzy, what do you think of this?

[Bacde]

think about how wisdom doesn't give you the opportunity to even consider that he might be scum in the post where he told you to stop lurking

what do you think is his motivation in doing that?

[Bacde]

well I'm considering it, whether or not you gave me the opportunity

and its anti-town to pretend like its not something to think about

in fact, if you are town you should be glad to invite the suspicion since it wont go anywhere

just like your suspicion on me, its stupid or its scum motivated

so is fuzzy's, by the way. I can't believe he thinks I'm scum because "one second he accuses wisdom is mafia but then changes his opinion the next second" as though thats something that is incriminating in any way

your "WHO AM I GONNA LYNCH TNE LOOK BACDE IS BUDDYING YOU UNLIKE ME " is why I think you are mafia

so stop being hypocritical and get lynched

[Bacde]

when did my opinion of MNIJ change quickly?

you aren't even referencing real events anymore to try to incriminate me

[Bacde]

Are you talking about during the twilight of d1? I'm pretty sure I thought he was mafia during that twilight, and first thing on d2

my opinion of his playerslot didn't change

my opinion of him as a person changed positively because everyone was bashing on a newbie and I felt bad

What you are referencing isn't scummy at ALL

I thought MNIJ was mafia before and after sirdanilots flip

[Bacde]

How am I buddying tne, Bacde? I simply reminded him what his role is because to be frank I don't think he had realized he is conftown.

I hadn't either yet you tried to use that at the start of today to incriminate me (since I voted no lynch)

you are trying to use whatever you can to incriminate me and you refuse to think things through

[Bacde]

Because they've already been referenced?

And seriously? Come on Bacde, you're better than this. You went from "MNIJ you motherfucker" to "I like him, he has potential" before the flip, and then wound up hammering him later game. Tell me that's not changing opinion.

its not

my opinion before sirdanilots flip: MNIJ was scum panic hammering his partner

my opinion on d2 after sirdanilots flip: MNIJ was scum panic hammering his partner

just because I was being positive to him as a person doesnt mean that I stopped thinking he was scum

[Bacde]

How am I buddying tne, Bacde? I simply reminded him what his role is because to be frank I don't think he had realized he is conftown.

you keep talking about how you and tne are going to lynch somebody

this implies that somebody is not you

this is implicit buddying with tne

and the fact that you are denying buddying now makes me think that you did it with scum-motivation, since a townie would admit to buddying because why not?

[Bacde]

He's not using things to incriminate you. He's pulling completely true facts about your play to support his thesis.

And what was the reason for posting that? All of that could have waited until post-game.

posting what?

what are you even talking about

you are ignoring my posts at this point, and if i'm correct and wisdom is scum, its your negligence that is causing us to lose

READ MY POSTS

[Bacde]

How am I buddying tne, Bacde? I simply reminded him what his role is because to be frank I don't think he had realized he is conftown.

I hadn't either yet you tried to use that at the start of today to incriminate me (since I voted no lynch)

you are trying to use whatever you can to incriminate me and you refuse to think things through

I am quite sure that I noted that fuzzy

also

supported no-lynch.

ok, I didn't see that

[Bacde]

He's not using things to incriminate you. He's pulling completely true facts about your play to support his thesis.

And what was the reason for posting that? All of that could have waited until post-game.

the opinion flip thing?

it didn't happen

if you read my posts you'd see how my opinion of MNIJ as a

PLAYER

might have changed, but my opinion about

MNIJ's PLAYERSLOT

hadn't

so yes I feel completely justified ins aying that wisdom is pulling stuff that aren't "completely true facts"

[Bacde]

because I thought he was mafia and we were about to lynch him and be done with this game

that is why I posted that then

[Bacde]

How am I buddying tne, Bacde? I simply reminded him what his role is because to be frank I don't think he had realized he is conftown.

you keep talking about how you and tne are going to lynch somebody

this implies that somebody is not you

this is implicit buddying with tne

and the fact that you are denying buddying now makes me think that you did it with scum-motivation, since a townie would admit to buddying because why not?

Yeah I've been pretty clear that I am going to support one of you is scum because I know that I am not scum. I don't want to confuse tne with having to evaluate me too because all I need from him is to tell me which of you is scum. I know that's pretty egoistic but that's how I see it. Now if tne or anyone else wants to accuse me of anything I am willing to take it and respond but from my point of view it's a waste of time because I am not the scum and all I wanna know is which of you it is.

this point of view is why I think you are scum

[Bacde]

if you are town you should be willing to see things from my point of view and

at least understand

why I am not motivated to convince you that fuzzy is mafia, but instead figure out who the mafia is

because whoever I want to get lynched will get lynched

[Bacde]

if you are town you should be willing to see things from my point of view and

at least understand

why I am not motivated to convince you that fuzzy is mafia, but instead figure out who the mafia is

because whoever I want to get lynched will get lynched

Okay, let's say I understand.
Let's say you are town.
You have the same dilemma as me, which of the two others is the scum. Namely, fuzzy or Wisdom.
Okay. Can you tell me all of the reasons you think I am scum so I can try and show you I am not? You can also include any of my predecessors' actions, I will try to explain those too if I can.
I'm guessing that if you are convinced that I am not scum, then you'll have the motivation to convince me fuzzy is scum, yes?

you have this demeaning, annoying attitude and you are tunneling on my slot, which is town

fuzzy could also be scum because he is uninterested and uninvolved and staying out of the spotlight

but im more upset with you right now to be honest

[Bacde]

that makes no sense. This was in

Twilight

. We had already lynched someone, waiting for the flip, and you say that.

how does this make no sense? explain yourself

my explanation makes perfect sense

[Bacde]

I'm not uninterested nor am I staying out of the spotlight. Wisdom pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Also, finding someone scummy because you're upset with them is pretty scummy.

what nail did wisdom hit on the head?

When did I say that my upsetness was a part of why I found wisdom to be scummy?

[Bacde]

I mean if I took my time I could go around and make a long list and a long case

but right now I'm just being real with you and my gut tells me its you

[Bacde]

You said that you were getting ready to lynch scum, when we were in twilight. Tell me how that makes sense.

P-edit:
that you are scum
and you said "fuzzy may be scum, but i'm more upset with you." which basically means that you're going to tunnel on him now.

1) I didn't say any of these things? Quote for me so I can explain to you whatever it is you are getting wrong

2) How is this scummy to focus on who I'm more upset with right now?