Newbie 1377: A New Matrix (Game Over)

[BBmolla]

I gotta go find my last IC post it's been a while

[BBmolla]

Hi everyone! I'll be your Inexperience Challenged for this game, meaning that if you have any questions throughout the game, feel free to ask and I will answer them to the best of my ability. My play is governed by the article here. This will be my eighth(I think) time ICing.

While it is my job to teach, if for some reason I can not provide an answer to you, the SE players(Xegarus, SafetyDance, Varsoon, as well as Bulbazak despite not being listed as one) are also here to help make sure that no question is left unanswered.

A few notes about the game(Credit to Andrius for most of this):

• Read the rules of the game. Each moderator's rules are different, so read these and get familiar with them.
  
• Do not Self-Vote. Self-voting is never helpful to the town, and is incredibly anti-town. It is the worst vote you can make in the game, what if a scum player would have voted you had you not self voted? We'd never know. I can't stress this enough. You can always fight for your position.
  
• There is no reason to No Lynch on D1 in this setup. It doesn't help us at all, here in a newbie game. For details on why, see this post.
  
• Do not claim a power role as a vanilla townie. Seriously, don't.
  
• Do not claim your role until you need one more vote to be lynched AND someone has stated intent to hammer.(There are some examples where this is okay, like if you jailed someone and no kill went through or you have a guilty as a cop) In addition, if someone needs one more vote to be lynched, make sure you ask them to claim first.
  If you don't ask for a claim, you could possibly be lynching a Power Role!

Alright, now generally this phase of the game is called the Random Voting Stage and the Random Questions Stage.

Random Voting is done at the start of most games because it creates reactions, which we can then use to jumpstart the game and scumhunt. Generally the votes in this stage are for silly reasons. For example:

VOTE: Torcinator
Because he sounds like the Terminator and everyone knows the Terminator hates people and would be mafia.

RVS tends to go on for a few pages until someone finds something legitimately scummy and throws down a serious vote.

Random Questions is less common. I dislike timezone questions and such, but I do feel the following are good questions:

What is your experiance with forum mafia in general?
What is your experiance with mafiascum?

I began playing forum Mafia after learning about Mafia through Epicmafia.
I have played numerous games, probably 60ish, of varying lobbies.

I played against Bulba in my last newbie game, mislynched Xegarus in a micro, have had multiple altercations with SafetyDance. Finished-gamewise that's my experience with everyone here.

If you all could please get an avatar, I'd really appreciate it, it literally messes up my scumhunting when you don't have an avatar because I'll keep mixing you up. Even if it's just a single color or something, I don't care, just get something that I can identify you by.

Here are some sample avatars to use if you're too lazy to find one:


If you want to know a bit more, feel free to check out this Newbie Guide and also check out our List of Commonly Used Abbreviations.

So, other than that, let's just have a good game!

[BBmolla]

Bulba you scum bro?

[BBmolla]

@mod: If a Mafia Roleblocker's partner dies and it goes to night, can the Mafia Roleblocker both commit a nightkill and roleblock?

[BBmolla]

@mod: If a Mafia Roleblocker's partner dies and it goes to night, can the Mafia Roleblocker both commit a nightkill and roleblock?

Please read the 2nd post.

I sweat that wasn't there before. Mod trickery ahoy!

@Bulba: Same question back atchu

[BBmolla]

I'm here.
What's happening?

^Clearly too scared of being caught to address anyone.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

Feel free to sheep me.

@Sondass: I play in 4-6 games at a time, maxing at 9 at one point, and have done so over 2 years. They just kind of add up. It's gotta be in the 70-80 range actually if I'm doing a quick count here. I like mafia.
@mujie: BB or Molla is fine yep.

Suggest you guys post at least once a day, but I completely understand busy schedules, just remember that more info helps out the town.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sondassasda

Yeah never mind, this vote is better.

[BBmolla]

Subject: Newbie 1262 (Game Over!)

C

razy enough, I think Axxle is town.

O

n being pressured he reacted in a very town way that makes him more than likely town.

P

robably doesn't make sense to you, but I had expected a very different reaction from him than I got, at that point I had expected him to be scum.

Breadcrumb.

Also take note voting mechanics work differently here. First to get the needed amount of votes is lynched, regardless of whether everyone is voting. If the needed amount is not gotten by deadline, no lynch occurs.

Varsoon/Sassafras are solid votes.

[BBmolla]

So to be more clear, breadcrumb is doing something like the above where you spell your role name within your post. Creative attempts don't normally happen, normally just first letter of each sentence or capital letters throughout the post to spell role name. Uh, yeah. Maybe you should try reading what I'm breadcrumbing in this post to see if it makes sense.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

Don't care what L- it is.

[BBmolla]

No, we just both have awesome reads.

You're probably town though so sheeping you isn't all that bad of an idea regardless.

@Varsoon: Sorry dood you are quite literally begging to be voted.

[BBmolla]

There's usually not anything giving good scum/town tells in RVS

Disagree.

Not so sure about BB and Bulbazak, but I'll put my focus elsewhere for now.

Why not focus on getting reads on us?

I wouldn't say rivalry. This is just the first Newbie game we have been in together since 1333. I replaced into the game as scum and tunneled on Molla so hard that he was literally raging in the thread, thus painting him as scummy. Unfortunately, my partner was scanned by the cop n1 and lynched the following day. Molla was cleared by the cop d3 (I was trying to find the second possible power role during the night, since I felt that they would protect the cop.). Finally, I NK the cop, leaving Molla, myself, and another player (who had lurked) in Lylo. Molla fake claimed Jailkeeper. I saw right through it and asked who, leaving myself and the other player to make cases against each other. I made a good case, but Molla just couldn't bring himself to vote for the other player. I was lynched, and town won the game. I was universally praised for my scum play in the postgame.

Anything you want to add BB?

That's pretty much it. Bulba played really well and people were really surprised I hammered correctly.

Amckenzie you could, you know, ask why I made those votes instead of calling them voting without reason. I had reasons. I just don't always post them if I think they're obvious. But apparently they're not in this case.

[BBmolla]

His first vote against Varsoon made was explained and made sense.

^You're probably scum for this, I hardly see how my joke vote "made sense." To me you're not trying to determine whether I'm actually scum, you're trying to determine if what I'm doing that could be portrayed as not town, and yes, it can. Because I'm not trying to look town at the moment, I'm trying to pressure people and find scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Amckenzie

tldr; Your scumhunting looks fake and contrived.

Complimenting his awesome reads and casually slipping in that he thinks Bulbazak is town.

This is gross too.

[BBmolla]

What do you think about Bulbazak's reads Amckenzie?

[BBmolla]

Consider this my first "serious vote" btw, feel alright about Varsoon and Sondassasda atm.

[BBmolla]

Your comments to what I said is just 'tldr'? How short do my posts have to be for you to read the whole thing?

Nononono I read what you said, the tldr; was for those who wanted to know the reason for my vote without reading the first part.

You mean his votes against Sondassasda and Varsoon? I pretty much said that in my post that you didn't read. Sondassasda came in, typed some stuff that wasn't connected with scumhunting. I don't think that makes him a suspect necessarily but I think it's means they deserve to be examined and poked with a vote to see what happens. It makes sense to me. In the same way that I thought your original 'joke' vote for Varsoon made sense.

Varsoon jumped on the Sondassasda bandwagon rather quickly and I can understand that being seen as suspicious. I think that was scummier then what Sondassasda did and again a vote to see the reactions are logical.

My main point was that Varsoon and Sondassasda both pretty much did the same thing. But in opposite ways. They came into the game and didn't try to do any scumhunting. The only difference was that Varsoon said about 5 words and Sondassasda rambled on. You read what they both said, felt that Varsoon was suspicious and voted for him. What was it that made you immediately change your mind and vote for Sondassasda? What made that vote 'better'?

First off, you're voting me for voting Varsoon and Sondassasda, when you find them both scummy, because "I didn't give reasons." Do you not see the problem there?

Because I wanted to pressure someone else.

[BBmolla]

So why point them out

[BBmolla]

Frettory sounds like extremely misguided town.

[BBmolla]

"Talking let's scum find power roles, so nobody should talk."
^Is that what you're proposing Fret?

[BBmolla]

If you mean "Questioning about favourite role/alignment/food is for scum trying to find town power roles, so nobody should question about favourite role/alignment/food", then yes.

I just think questions like that are useless. Not particularly telling.

Varsoon is town, Bulba is prob town, mujie is prob town, Frettory is town, I'm town, Sond I'm iffy, Safety and Xeg are afk, amckenzie is prob scum.

[BBmolla]

Gut from this page. Didn't look to into when I posted it so could be wrong.

[BBmolla]

imkingdavid why is there zilch on mckenzie in that post

[BBmolla]

Like, really, I'm flattered, but nothing on the person who your scumread is voting? Really?

[BBmolla]

Didn't look into what? Why you think Varsoon is town? Why are you posting unhelpful, unexplained alignment reads without looking into it before posting? What exactly does that add to discussion?

Shows where I stand readwise.

Bulba, this dude reads like scum-you, I just kind of want to punch him in the face for terrible reasoning.

[BBmolla]

Kingdavid, why didn't you address me in your post?

Because I'm IC and have to be genius scum so it's not worth looking elsewhere obv

[BBmolla]

"Talking let's scum find power roles, so nobody should talk."
^Is that what you're proposing Fret?

I don't see this quote. What post was it in? If it's not in a post, please either don't use quotation marks, or else state that you are paraphrasing and note what post you are paraphrasing from. Also, due to the apostrophe in "let's" (let us) vs "lets" (allows), it took me way too long to understand what you were actually saying. Lets try to avoid that. (<-- Yes, that was intentional.)

Read Fret's post. To me it indicated he thought that talking helped scum find power roles. He meant RQS, and it was clarified. Obviously he didn't say that, but I used my brain to summarize what I thought he was saying. Like here, I'll summarize what you're saying.

"BB is scum because he said he's sheeping bulba and for other shitty nonsensical reasons."
^Basically tldr; version of your post.

And seriously, starting out a post bitching about grammar? You couldn't get any more off topic.

Ehh... not sure I like this. Sure, if you appeal to probability, any given player is "probably town" due to a 7/9 chance of being a pro-town role. However, an assumption like this is dangerous, especially if it leads to sheeping. Speaking of which, from my experience, sheeping is rarely a good idea. Instead, please come up with your own reasonings, rather than piggybacking on others'. In general, your behavior this game is confusing because you're an IC so you're experienced, but you're playing your cards very close to the chest and you're not explaining any of your actions. Please do so from now on, if you don't mind. I'm not saying you have to reveal your strategy, but perhaps explaining why you've voted how you've voted would be helpful. I'll get to that a bit more later.

I'm not appealing to probability, I think bulba is town, if I sheep him, it's not that big of a deal. It's not like I rolled some dice and sheeped whichever player came up. You're ridiculous.

It's an IC's job to be helpful. However, IC's and SE's are all playing to win. Without exception. Being helpful is a side-duty of IC's and an option for SE's, but it should not get in the way of that user's role. What I'm trying to say is that you should not write anyone off as town based on being helpful. Look at what they are saying and take it with a grain of salt. IC's are supposed to tell the truth in regards to mafia theory, but may lie as much as they like in regards to their gameplay specific to this game. Don't always take anyone's words at face value simply due to their SE or IC label. Think objectively and decide whether or not you think their motives/behaviors are pro-town or anti-town.

Filler. Cool way to slyly put suspicion on me for no reason. For the record, IC's can't lie about game theory.

I don't understand why you would vote someone who has just recently gotten two votes, and therefore put him at L-2, all for the sake of pressure, and then say that you are going to unvote if further pressure is placed. How does it make sense a vote will add pressure when you plan to remove said vote if further pressure is added. This vote simply does not make sense to me at all.

Furthermore, I don't mind a very small amount of scum-pair speculation, but I'd rather save it for when we have knowledge of one of the mafias' identities (by way of lynch or validated cop report). If you pair people before you know who is who, that can lead to clearing someone who isn't actually clear or condemning someone who is not actually condemned (if that makes sense; I'll explain further if it doesn't).

Okay cool, now what does this mean.

I find the entirety of BB's and Bulba's interaction to be worth noting. BB has twice sheeped Bulba's vote without providing a reasoning (he said that he felt the reasoning was obvious, but I would like to point out that, especially in a newbie game, every action should be explained because nothing is obvious to everyone--particularly online, where the only thing we have to go by is the written word). In turn, when kenzie called him out on it, both he and Bulba somewhat tag-teamed kenzi. Read #55 - #71 for reference. #55 is kenzi's initial post calling attention to BB's votes. kenzi and BB have a bit of back and forth about it, in which we determine that BB is at the very least being unclear with his vote reasonings. What I would like to particularly point out, however, is this post:

I'm not going to explain "I am voting this person to pressure them" because that defeats the purpose of pressure voting. That's like pointing a gun at someone and being like "I'm not actually gonna shoot you. So tell me where the money is." Doesn't do jack. If you think Kenzi is town post why please.

Anyway, I agree with kenzi's decision to question BB's votes and, having seen none yet I request a reasoning for them.

Pressure voting someone who I didn't have a great read on and who was un-town enough to explore further.

More filler.

Your "guidance" is really cool and all, but getting rid of the "guidance" I can't help but notice your post is a whole lot of nothing. Count me severely disappointed in your catch up post, I give it a 2/10.

@Bulba: Okay then ask me shit, don't just stand there wondering if I'm town.
And no, he's scum you because it's a whole lot of nothing and it's only there to piss me off.

[BBmolla]

"Oh man this IC is not explaining every action he does, shame on him. He must be scum"
That is not how it works. I'm completely fine getting bitched at for being a shitty IC, take it up with the list mod so I don't IC again or whatever. But when people think me being a shitty IC is somehow relevent to me being scum, that's where I call bullshit.

[BBmolla]

I'm gonna say I kind of do like Varsoon for town atm, see his posts page 2, read pretty genuine to me all things considered now.

[BBmolla]

Why do you think Varsoon is the scummiest player in the game atm Bulba?

[BBmolla]

I disagree and present these two posts

Welp, there goes any hope for pinning down Sonda's alignment early.

You're a chump, BB.

unvote

Are you sheeping me Molla?

Since he's had me as 'scum' since before your vote, probably not.

Diversion.

However, if you have a theory that me and Varsoon are buddies, then it'd make sense.

[BBmolla]

Yeah sorry I wholely disagree, Sond and AMckenzie fit "robot scum" more than Varsoon

[BBmolla]

Bulba you're not looking in between the lines man

[BBmolla]

Mk.

[BBmolla]

Do you have no comment on my opinion regarding posting such read-revealing posts? That is, do you not feel that providing the mafia with all of our town reads flat out will allow them to know the best choice of a NK or to push toward a lynch?

I've heard your arguement from others and still think it's better for everyone to know where others stand rather than giving scum an excuse to not have public reads.

If you're going to state that I have terrible reasoning, I would be more than happy to discuss with you what areas of my reasoning are "terrible".

More "lack of reasoning" then terrible actually.

First, please point a place in my post where I called you scum. I said you were the only person I felt comfortable placing my vote on, and only for the reason of getting you to explain yourself, which you seem to be doing now. If you had responded a little less defensively, I probably would have felt comfortable removing my vote. My vote's purpose was to apply pressure and to determine how you would react under such pressure. So far, not so good.

Disagree, I think I'm reacting better than normal. So let me get this straight, at the time of your reread you literally didn't think anyone but me was a little scummy?

I really don't care whether you feel he is pro-town or anti-town. I would much rather you come up with your own ideas and vote based on them. I don't mind agreeing with people and the reasons they've posted. But you didn't even say that much. You just seemingly-randomly decided to follow Bulba's lead. You may not find this an issue. I do.

Uh, you are aware I didn't actually sheep. I used my own reads and my actions happened to coincide with Bulba's. Not my fault it looks like sheeping.

I'm sorry, I think I missed the part where I put suspicion on you. I didn't call you out for doing anything. I simply requested that mujie take things said to him with a grain of salt, rather than expecting to be able to rely on IC's and SE's as pro-town influences.

In doing so you're making people automatically think the opposite, that IC is more likely scum for being able to "trick newbies" into thinking they're town. Read what you said dood.

Please show me where I said you could. I believe I said exactly what you just said in similar words. Let me show you:

So you're saying I could lie about reads? Why does that matter? Everyone could lie, the only thing that would be relevent to my ICness is if I lied about theory, because that actually goes against being an IC. Just pretend I'm not an IC, me being IC is really irrelevent to the game mostly.

I'm going to assume you're referring to the second paragraph in that quote. So let's look at it like this, and I welcome any counter points to prove me wrong: Players A (town), B (scum), and C (town) are all in a game of mafia. Player A looks at players B and C and links them as a scum pair prior to knowing their true roles. Player B is lynched and flips scum. Player A now assumes that his link between B and C is correct and convinces the rest of the town to lynch C. C flips town. The town just wasted a mislynch based on a faulty assumption.

Alternate scenario with the same players/roles: Player A still considers B and C to be linked. Player C is lynched and flips town. Player B is then given something of a free pass, despite actually being scum.

As I said, I don't mind looking for links between players, I just don't like linking players in such a way that it is assumed that their roles are connected, as is done when talking about scum pairs.

I really couldn't care less about your theory behind it, I'm asking whether you think this makes them scum or town.

For one, I fail to see how putting someone at 2 and 3 of 5 votes (respectively) required for a lynch on the first two pages of the game (where there is really a very small chance of a quick lynch) actually adds any more pressure than would be applied if you mentioned that it was a pressure vote. Regardless, you don't have to outright say it's a pressure vote, but you can still provide reasoning. I'm not saying it's never okay to vote without an explicitly stated reason, I'm just saying the way you voted was simply very eyebrow raising to me and several other people here. I just wanted you to explain what you were doing. You did, albeit not in a very productive manner.

And if I was scum I would care that it made you raise your eyebrows. But as is, I really don't care. I'm trying to find scum dood.

If you're pissed off that I'm asking questions and requesting that you explain your actions so that we know what you're doing, then I'm not sure how you want me to play. I could just ignore you for the rest of the game. Maybe that would go okay. Probably not.

I want you to invest as much time as you have in me into the rest of the people into the game and then come to a conclusion about who you feel is what instead of asking pointless questions and spouting theory. AKA, I want you to find scum.

Given your overall disappointing and overly defensive response to my post (I'd give it, say, a 2/10) I think I'm quite happy with my vote where it is for the time being.

I give your vote a 1/10

You're probably town btw, sadly.

How would town-me reaction differentiate from my reaction here?

[BBmolla]

Also nobody reads wallposts so don't do more of those, they just waste space. Summarize.

[BBmolla]

My post might seem defensive, but your post is literally the thing I hate most about Mafia, I try to scumhunt and get called scum for doing things I'd never ever do as scum. Like, I'm scum for sheeping and defending myself? Come on now.

WIFOM obviously, just annoying.

[BBmolla]

Also nobody reads wallposts

I do! But then again, I'm a freak like that, what with wanting to read the entire game and all. BB, are you saying that you tend to be angry as town? Because my attack on you during 1333 can't have been the only time something like that has happened.

I'd say yes, but then someone would call me scum for using self meta and I'd get all upset.

[BBmolla]

Varsoon saying "I'm town" is like textbook WIFOM dood.

[BBmolla]

It's the "I didn't necessarily think it was scummy." reasoning of Amc's posts. The point of scumhunting is to find scum. If you didn't think something was scummy, there's not much reason to mention it, let alone vote someone for it

What I have said is being misrepresented. I never said I didn't think BBmolla's actions were scummy. I said that me pointing it out wasn't scummy.

Completely seperate from this I was saying that I believed that in general it was worth it for town to question anything they see as suspicious no matter how minor it might appear. I wanted to see what BBmolla thought of this.

I'll be as clear as I can be. I think BBmolla's scum hunting was suspicious. It seemed rather halfhearted. I received no explanation for his actions. I think his actions have been as suspicious as anyone's. that is why my vote is still on him.

Now Bulbazak, I hope you do a better job of quoting what I say. If you continue to misrepresent what I say I might begin to think you are doing it on purpose.

^Bulba you seriously think this is town, seriously?

[BBmolla]

Not necessarily. While it is true that scum like to lurk, not all lurkers are scum. In fact, lurking is mostly a null tell, as I've seen town do it a lot too. I'm actually more suspicious of those who specifically go after lurkers, as lurkers make easy mislynch targets for scum.

That just gives lurkers an excuse to lurk, because anyone calling them out is "scummy".

[BBmolla]

What a ridicuolous wagon.

[BBmolla]

^I'm at Balto meet, sorry, gimme a bit and I'll try to get to this.

[BBmolla]

@Molla
I know you are from EpicMafia as well. What do you think of Mujie's playstyle?

I think it's fine. Why?

This meet has consumed my mafia time, I'll try to get away tonight to really dedicate some time to games.

[BBmolla]

I mean what particular aspect do you want to know about? It doesn't seem abnormally scummy or anything.

[BBmolla]

Argghhh

okay okay hold on reading.

[BBmolla]

Walls on Fret by Bulba are lots of misreps in my opinion, gives me a bad feeling. Bulba defending Safety for lurking is scummy too. We can't just let someone lurk and ignore them, that's how scum lurkers win.

It is way too early to even be considering policy lynches. As I said, we don't have enough information regarding his slot to make an informed decision. Therefore, your push on the slot is not actual scumhunting, but a lazy attempt to appear to be scumhunting.

"too early to policy lynch"? What the hell are you talking about dude.

That's a gross misrepresentation of his posts, and you know it.

Irony.

In what way?
More questions:
Do you agree or disagree with Fret's points against me?
Do you feel like Fret's behavior to this point has been pro-town or anti-town?
Do you feel that Safety's vote is legitimate or OMGUS?

Fret is town, nothing he's getting attacked for is scummy, just indicative of being newish.
Don't know what Fret's points are against you, you're both town so it doesn't matter
Town
No idea. It's a bad vote, that's all I know at the moment.

Mujie's post 201 is good. thumbsup.jpg

So, BB. why react less than you normally would? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, or maybe I haven't compared the two reactions enough, but why?

Logic wasn't as poor as Scum-Bulba's was in that game.

I'd love to hear what makes him so obvious town then.

Clearly you wouldn't agree with me so I won't try. The things you're calling him scum for aren't scummy.

Safety is probably town being protected by Bulba.

Okay feel free to ask me stuff, one of Bulba/Mckenzie are the lynch for today.

[BBmolla]

No I refuse

[BBmolla]

Scum

You
Bulbazak
Everyone else

Town

[BBmolla]

lol

[BBmolla]

I'm not impossible to read you silly billy.

This more than likely is an all town wagon btw.

[BBmolla]

Bulb/Safety

[BBmolla]

Bulb would be too smart to declare a hammer on you, Safety is lurking to hard to do so.

[BBmolla]

Klick, you can destroy the Bulba. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny! Join me, and together, we can lynch the Bulba as father and duck! Come with me. It is the only way.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulba

(I still think you're scum but I'll settle for Bulba)

[BBmolla]

Yes

okay

[BBmolla]

Please?

[BBmolla]

I'm not positive, but I think the Amished tell is talking about your previous slot-holder's play or something.

@BB: What is this "amished tell" you mentioned in the graveyard QT?

It's based off of people replacing into a game and getting a scum PM. What's the first thing you do? Reread your predecessor to see how screwed you are. Town, however, has no reason to reread their predeccesor(generally) as they know they were town so who cares.

The amish tell is whenever someone insults their predecessor, they are scum. This only works when:
A. They've never heard of the amish.
B. It's not part of their playstyle.

Examples:

Gah. 17 pages in one sitting wasn't great. Should've put this up earlier, guys, apologies for that; got caught by some jobs... From reading the thread, it looks like I'm in deep shit because of Fathom's lurkiness and not adding content.

LostGirlChan, Mafia Goon - Lynched Day One

See here, then here.

Here's an explanation from Amished himself.

Voided can say whatever he wants, I've had pretty good success with it.

However, the amished tell has failed me the last 7 games I've seen it.

SD is town

[BBmolla]

What has SD done that is in any way town?

Don't look at what a person

does

. Look at the

motivation

behind his actions.

Last game I played with safety, he did some pretty anti-town stuff but but flipped town.

You're my favorite.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klick

[BBmolla]

I wouldn't want to get wagons going on my scumreads?

?

[BBmolla]

Sorry I haven't been posting a lot lately. The flow of the game seems to have changed since amckenzie and frettory were replaced. Klick seems even more... Right now, he's my least favourite user. Just the way he posts and acts. I think the attempted bulba wagon wasn't serious by bb, but correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think he really expected klick to follow, but he always answers everything with a question. You can't tell what he's thinking.

Meh, it was semi serious. More of a "If I can't lynch my first scumread, let's try number two."

But Klick didn't want to compromise, he'd rather get lynched.

Go figure.

*shrug*

What in particular is unclear about what I've done?

[BBmolla]

Why attempt to go for a Bulb lynch when I have four votes, and he has zero?

Wanted to see what would happen

[BBmolla]

Meh, it was semi serious. More of a "If I can't lynch my first scumread, let's try number two."

Why attempt to go for a Bulb lynch when I have four votes, and he has zero?

Wanted to see what would happen

Contradiction.

If I can't lynch my first scumread, let's see what would happen if I tried number two.

You're just being silly now Klick.

[BBmolla]

I've played with him multiple times. I was expecting the sort of jokey play I'm playing back from him, but am not seeing it.

[BBmolla]

Except you obviously can lynch your first scumread, seeing as he's at L-1.

What did you expect to happen when you voted Bulb?

You to vote him.

[BBmolla]

We should definitely lynch someone, even if it's me. More beneficial than a no lynch.

Someone should really just lynch Klick though.

[BBmolla]

I'd appreciate one more day <_<

[BBmolla]

\o/

[BBmolla]

Yo if Mastin was in that sample size as scum, that'd explain why KingDavid's is so high on scumminess.

Bulba seems scummy as shit.

[BBmolla]

@BBMolla: Where's your vote?

Lost. Like me.

I'll take some time to ISO and such. I'm just getting out of touch with the site as of late.

[BBmolla]

Tamuz post your program's results from finished games please.

I think I can catch up tonight yay

[BBmolla]

I wanted to replace back in and call you scum for not even talking about relationship with me in past games so bad

Sorry about replacing out.