Newbie 1556 (Game Over)

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

Will read later, out on a walk atm

[Jake from State Farm]

First off, from my point of view, my vote was in the stage of RVS.

it can't be an RVS vote if you attached a game related reason...

[Jake from State Farm]

SA - I'm not sure your vote was an 'RVS vote' because it wasn't actually random - you made the vote directly based on something x3so did, and did so in a p-edit. Does this mean if you hadn't seen his post, you wouldn't have made an 'RVS' vote?

guess I should keep reading before I respond anymore lol

[Jake from State Farm]

I await to see what anxiety has to add but I see why astinus was getting voted and imo they are well deserved.

x3 looks scummy, SA looked scummy early on but not as much by page 4, and the only other person I have a strong read on is badmonster. he looks town also. The rest I am kinda null on and I actually expected more from DDP. I need to remember how he plays cause I am pretty sure I have played with him before.

vote anxiety

on my phone switching between letters and numbers are a pain so that's how I will spell your name. Hopefully mod does not have a problem with that.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh my bad

[Jake from State Farm]

no he's still at L-2 as I replaced beeboy who was already voting him. I unvoted when i replaced in and just put my vote back on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also, how do you quote ISO # posts? I've been looking but can't for the life of me figure it out.

not completely sure what you mean. If you want to quote the entire post someone made you just click the quote button.

if you want to isolate something in one of their posts like I just did, you can highlight the text with your mouse and then hit quote

if you mean something like trying to quote post 97, well that is a bit tricky as you have to use the url tags like so

[***url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6436509]97[***/url] (but remove the ***)

[Jake from State Farm]

sorry to post again but i wanted post 100 lol

[Jake from State Farm]

Q= is if you want to quote multiple posts on a page. Hit Q+ for each post and when you hit reply they will all appear quoted

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean q+

[Jake from State Farm]

probably since luca isn't playing anymore

[Jake from State Farm]

Off topic - I will say that Luca replacing out due to being in too many games is setting a bad example for the newer players. People should try really hard not to replace out of games. The fact that all 3 SEs have replaced out is bad imo

[Jake from State Farm]

cool, tad worried you and him were going to get into a theory debate while I'm sitting over here about to be deadlined.

I know your busy so whenever you get the chance I'd likesome thoughts on DDD and Jake. The three of you will be tough for me to figure out, I think, so want to get a dialogue going there.

If you are interested in figuring us out, why not ask us questions and such? That's what a townie who was trying to figure people out would do...

[Jake from State Farm]

l feel he made a couple of posts that seemed really.town, I'd even say he town slipped

[Jake from State Farm]

While I'm not going to go too far on this, since outing anyone is far from what I ever want to do, being exposed as obvious town as a vanilla is far from a bad thing, and puts scum in an awkward position. That said, if you found a townslip, I'll reread and make my own judgement, but I trust you at the immediate moment.

Its absolutely possible I'm wrong, but my gut says town and I trust my gut

[Jake from State Farm]

That vote needs to be bolded

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote, vote: Danny

completely convinced he is scum now
that he still advocates my lynch is a major redflag

Dgaul is different in that he is still new to how claims should work in open setups

Here's how it should work: If I am scum lying about the claim then by something like day 3 or whenever massclaim needs to happen it becomes obvious wether or not I am telling the truth. If I am lying scum then there will be a counterclaim or my claim won't fit with the setup, and I would become a garaunteed scumlynch in that scenario.
^the fact that Danny doesn't click on to this as someone whose been around the block and wants to risk lynching a powerrole means he's scum

No that's never how it works actually, in my experience the person gets to day 2. I've never seen a scummy person claiming live to day 3.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: x3

[Jake from State Farm]

OK deadline is 5 hours away, I don't like this Pompeii lynch but we need to decide on someone soon. No lynch is no bueno

Let's try this

request extension since we had so many replacements please

[Jake from State Farm]

Thanks

Now let's lynch somebody who is scummy, not policy lynh a lurker OK?

[Jake from State Farm]

Thanks

Now let's lynch somebody who is scummy, not policy lynh a lurker OK?

Like x3? Except, you haven't said a word about why he's scummy. Just kindof lobbed a vote out there and did nothing with it.

did you bother to ask me why I voted him? nope... Bad DDP if you are town

for the record I mentioned him way back in post 94 that I thought he was scummy

And you also have no right to say shit to me because you provided no reason for dgual and then you went with a policy lynch a lurker with your vote on pompeii so again bad ddp if you are town, especially given you are the IC and are supposed to set a good example for newbies.


How about you provide list of people you ACTUALLY think are scum and also provide a reason for those reads.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: x3

Hello Jake from State Farm, can you please confirm reason behind vote?

There, somebody finally asking...

Though its kind of hard to put into words, its just my gut twinged when reading his posts. His posts come off as filler with no real bite before them.

[Jake from State Farm]

did you bother to ask me why I voted him? nope... Bad DDP if you are town

for the record I mentioned him way back in post 94 that I thought he was scummy

And you also have no right to say shit to me because you provided no reason for dgual and then you went with a policy lynch a lurker with your vote on pompeii so again bad ddp if you are town, especially given you are the IC and are supposed to set a good example for newbies.

How about you provide list of people you ACTUALLY think are scum and also provide a reason for those reads.

I mean I know you frequently deal in bullshit but this is a lot even for you.

I have no obligation to try to convince myself that you're right, you have to convince me. And literally saying "I think x3 is scummy" and then voting him later with no push and no reasons is in fact the very definition of "you haven't said a word about why he's scummy. Just kindof lobbed a vote out there and did nothing with it."

Finally, you know I target lurkers or at least I think you should; I certainly have a long history of doing so and certainly believe it's good play so I think I'm setting an excellent example.

There's no bullshit in that post and I don't remember how you play cause its been a while and I went on hiatus for a few months.

I voted who I thought was scum, I'm not obligated to give a reason if I don't want. If someone wants to ask they certainly can, much like what happened. My reason as explained is gut. I can't point to any one thing that screams omg he's scum, but his posts rub me the wrong way.

Its better than a lurker lynch, especially in newbie games. We shouldn't introduce policy lynching in newbies IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

Gut is a valid reason so I've done that.

Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

His posts come off as filler with no real bite before them.

This is also a valid reason

[Jake from State Farm]

I think you are confused or something. I was just giving my opinion for what we should do with these 2 extra days I voted who I thought was scum, encouring others to do the same has nothing to do with if I gave reasons or not.

Plus let's set the record straight, you are not obligated to give a reason with.your vote, but you are obligated to give one if asked.

I've done.this. now can you answer my questions?.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also please post your statistical analysis thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

post 20, 23, 31, 53 are posts that I do not like and they don't give me townie vibes

[Jake from State Farm]

63 is not the same as 53

[Jake from State Farm]

I am going to say right now so I don't disappear when the time comes. I have a final tomorrow at 11 so while I may be back for the last hour of crunch time discussion if there is any, there is also the chance I may not. Tonight and tomorrow morning I can go all night though.

Now we have more time, I'd like to hear your thoughts on things. I'd also like to hear if you still want to lynch anxiety

@mrs. Pompeii - please post something that resembles content

[Jake from State Farm]

'cept he did provide specific reasoning for dgual
And a policy lynch is different than compromising on a lurker due to having townreads elswhere.

no he didn't actually see the spoiler

Spoiler:

He's "confirmable" based on random factors of who dies, not something I care for. That being said, I didn't unvote because of any role related reasons, I unvoted because I kept poking him and finally got a strong enough town reaction to feel good getting away from his lynch.

VOTE: Dgaul
I could also be convinced to vote for MissPompei of the four posts, for, ya know, having four posts.

well technically you're not "obligated" do anything in a game, but then what's the point in playing

I think the point is that no reasons and a solitary vote doesn't do a whole lot to convince others to lynch your scumread...Like you have a scumread just to have one and the effort to actually achieve your preferred lynch was showing.

I play to have fun. Giving a reason or not giving a reason doesn't stop me from having fun. There is a reason why I don't give a reason for my votes. I do it quite often and this is really a theory discussion that I will gladly continue when the game is over if you want to start a thread in mafia discussion. In my opinion not giving a reason actually creates discussion because it forces somebody to interact with me so yeah, I'm playing the game and playing it the way that I enjoy. Thanks

this looks like an attempt to change attention back to me or pompei after taking heat

Nope, it's an attempt to generate discussion with people who are currently the 2 lowest posters in the game and I am trying to determine their alignment. but nice try.

[Jake from State Farm]

Now we have more time, I'd like to hear your thoughts on things. I'd also like to hear if you still want to lynch anxiety

What exactly would you like to know?

Top 2 scum reads and why.

Also do you still want to lynch anxiety or has that ship sailed.

mod, bad timing but wife is sick so I'm going to be l/a over the next couple of days. I still plan to post but if.something comes up and I go Mia, you know why.. If you pm me I get an email alert so just do that. Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

re: "no he didn't actually see spoiler" -

Relatively bland opinions prior to the Anxiety push, relatively minimal content, possibly buddying the IC in 135

hmm, maybe I'm wrong about the motive for moving onto Dgaul and Pompei. Still it was my first impression; felt like you trying to get Dgual fired up about lyncing me again.

I missed his reasons in.that post, my bad

I'm not trying to get him fired up, your lynch isn't happening.today, not if I have anything to do with it but he was really gung ho about it and I m trying to figure out if he's still holding on to the idea or if he's interested in lynching somebody else

[Jake from State Farm]

I play to have fun. Giving a reason or not giving a reason doesn't stop me from having fun.

but if everyone plays the noreason no talking game, nothing happens and no one gets to have fun.

not giving reasons at critical time when deadline approaches is what made me worry about your alignment (is he scum trying float by unnoticed? is what I thought)

If I wanted to go by unnoticed, giving a reason is the easier path IMO. Its easy to make up any bs reason

[Jake from State Farm]

Thanks dgual, I think I'm leaning town on SA, he seems to be trying to figure things out.

[Jake from State Farm]

I agree about M.P. Few posts, no substance in any.

While you aren't lurking per set, this quote could easily describe you...

[Jake from State Farm]

He asked for a time extension, which helps the town because a no lynch is awful. I'd lynch him for a variety of things he's done and said but it'd be some serious gamesmanship for him to ask for a deadline extension as scum.

I've done absolutely nothing that's Lynch worthy. You sir are delusional

[Jake from State Farm]

Finally, you know I target lurkers or at least I think you should;

yeah about that...

I just went through your last 11 complete newbie games and in none of them did you actually attack any lurkers or even try and lynch anyone and use Lurk or lurking as a reason. The only games that I DID find where you mention lurking as being scummy or something you were scum in those games. I also found a game where you were town and you were opposed to somebody trying to lynch a lurker...

so yeah I am going to call BS on this one DDD

here are the iso links so people can do their own verification in case they don't trust me

Spoiler:

Scum - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (says he LOVES lurker lynches)
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Scum - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (says lurking is a scum tell for him)
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - interesting enough you say lurkers are easy mislynches, not something i'd expect to come from someone who claims to have statistical data that supposedly proves that lynching lurkers is a good idea....
Scum - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - don't mention lurkers in this one.
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - this is where you actually try and speak out AGAINST a lurker lynch
Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

The town games you never or very rarely say the work lurk. 2 scum games where you are pro-lurkers and 1 town game where you do sort of complain about somebody's activity but later negate it by saying lurkers are easy mislynches

So on that note since you are obviously full of shit and you interestingly enough refused to provide your data

vote: ddd

[Jake from State Farm]

I agree about M.P. Few posts, no substance in any.

While you aren't lurking per set, this quote could easily describe you...

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Its absolutely clear that's not true. The fact that you are trying so hard to throw shade makes me seriously wonder about you.

go ahead and wonder about me, but the fact remains that it clearly IS true...

Why would I call out the activity of the person who I already said I think is town unless I didn't honestly feel like it was true. For some reason I still do have you as a town read, but your activity and content is absolutely shit. Your town slip is only going to last so long so if you are town step up your game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Feel free to quote posts that show you providing content. I'all gladly admit I'm wrong ifnyu can do that. Keep in mind though I've already looked at your iso so I don't think you will be able to accomplish that task...

[Jake from State Farm]

That's actually a good description of ddd's play this game imo

[Jake from State Farm]

I will respond to ddd's post when I can, I'm at a Christmas party and have to take my wife to the hospital this evening. I need a PC to respond properly

[Jake from State Farm]

I assure you I don't have a chip on my shoulder with regards to you or anyone for that matter.

[Jake from State Farm]

That was me, my brother forgot to log out. My bad

[Jake from State Farm]

Newbie 1488 which is from Jake's list uncommented and HE WAS IN THIS GAME, "I take the point even but obviously

I'm not arguing undercontributing must come from scum but that it increases the likelihood of being scum; in the general case from an outside perspective it should increase the likelihood of me being scum

; however, in this specific case since I'm not scum... I'm not scum."

In Newbie 1377 where he accuses me of saying lurkers are easy mislynches, well they certainly can be. I also said this, "This is what scum looks like people, when they’re not lurking they’re posting things that look like content but isn’t."

His list cuts off Newbie 1308 where I say "Shmugen feels guilty for lurking which could be town honesty but he knows I will lynch him for lurking so I don't know why he'd do that in the first place".

His list cuts off this post from Newbie 1290

It also doesn't include this post from Newbie 1265

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All in all, Jake's analysis is bullshit. It's true that I don't always advocate lynching lurkers... sometimes no one is lurking, sometimes someone has done something I consider scummier than lurking but if he's trying to argue that I don't have a well defined stance that lurking is scummy, well he's selling bullshit.

The game we played, you were talking about under contributing SEs/ICs iirc, plus since I was searching for words that contained " lurk" as I already said I was doing, its no suprise why that quote didn't come up.

As for 1377- sure that's what scum look like, but that's what townies look like also. Despite your "data" lurking isn't a reliable scumtell and THAT is more factual that whatever fake data you have.

My list cut off 1308 cause I didn't go past page 1 of your threads,I did say your 11 most recent completed newbie games, obviously 1308 wasn't your last 11

So obviously that explains why I didn't include those either.

Seems like your more recent games you are less gung ho about lurkers unless you are scum. So Iike my read on you feel free to discredit me like you have.

[Jake from State Farm]

BTW, lynch lurkers is a policy lynch no matter how people try to say otherwise. policy lynches I used to be OK with, but really they are what we call "no information" lynches. That means it won't help us find scum unless the lurker is a scum, and unfortunately lurking on this site has become such a common instance, its not a reliable scum tell. Trust me i went mad trying to Lynch all lurkers. I ended up catching almost no scum. You have better luck rolling dice imo

[Jake from State Farm]

As long as you don't frame it as a policy lynch, even mislynches can have solid information to help town win. Statistically, we're worse off after a mislynch, but a day 1 Scum lynch can leave us just as blind as day 1 sometimes, depending on the skill of the remaining Scum.

Game is tough.

That said, I want a lynch. Miss Pompeii, please claim. You can consider me voting for you, I just don't want to put you at l-1. Everyone on Pompeii, I urge you to consider dgaul or ddd.

Yeah, if you mislynch a scummy player, it sucks but can be uaeful later. A lynch a lurker on the other hand doesn't, and surprisingly enough it doesn't motivate other lurkers to stop lurking and then what?

Why do you want to Lynch dgual? I must have missed that somewhere

[Jake from State Farm]

My analysys isn't overboard, it's called doing your research. You should try it sometimes.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes I understand, and yes meta can sometimes be useless but lots of things can be useless, like lynching a lurker...

I think the summary of ddd's play was pretty accurate. He's kinda hiding behind his meta, also he basically gave up trying to find scum which IMO is not a town trait. I also don't really see him trying to find scum now. He's kind of letting time run out.

One last thing. He kinda gave me a pass saying scum wouldn't request an extension, but smart and experienced scum would absolutely do that. Its called manipulation to gain town cred. If I were scum I absolutely try to manipulate town to gain cred. Its a hell of a lot easier to do than to lay low and hope they don't "catch you" I don't see an experienced player.like DDD as town being so quick to write my actions.off, especially.since.he has played with scum me and I'm sure I was very manipulative that game as I survived to lylo.

[Jake from State Farm]

Such a shame we wasted these 2 days

I'll be around to hammer if need be, if we can swing a DDD lynch instead that would be ideal

[Jake from State Farm]

Why must you insult me DDD?

[Jake from State Farm]

If she is town I do hope that she learns to be more active, don't give up when people vote you, and if you think you are going to be lynched give final reads to try and help town out.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: DDD

Cause he's still scum

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, you may want to send everyone a message that the game is open, or not

[Jake from State Farm]

You notice how every one of those "accusations" isn't a real critique of my play it's instead a comparison against some unknown ideal. In fact the one player who tried to make an actual argument about my meta argued that I was playing against my meta by advocating for a lynch of an undercontributer when in fact that's something I do quite regularly and would do again. Which it should be noted isn't playing to a meta but doing something I've found effective.

Going to have a re-read to see about breaking up all the town reads I have.

This post makes no sense to me, just looks like babble to confuse people.

Bottom line is you aren't playing like you do as town IMO, your vote on a lurker was a cop out, something I'd expect from scum especially when I know you are lying about your data about lurkers being more likely to be scum. Unless site meta has drastically changed in my 2 month absence, town is more likely to lurk.

And since you pointed it out, the thing you mentioned in that game where I was scum about under contributing IC/SE being more likely to be scum, I'd certainly classify your contribution this game as under contributing...

[Jake from State Farm]

Ddd, exactly how many town reads do you have and how is it possible to have so many town reads after 1 day phase?


I'm also really interested in seeing you make a case on somebody. Your day 1 votes had fairly weak reasons attached and I don't really see you trying to push hard for anyone for anything that's legitimately scummy.

[Jake from State Farm]

People on this site love to insult people don't they... I have data that suggests scum are more likely to insult their accuser than town plus list reads are the most anti town useless thing a player can do.

[Jake from State Farm]

And shocker DDD going after another lurker

[Jake from State Farm]

I think asking g for content to comment on is disingenuous. Everyone has access to the same content and most are commenting just fine

this very much this

sitting back doing nothing waiting for people to do something is bad play if you are town.

@ SA - who are your top 2 scum reads and why? Also why aren't you doing anything to try and get people to vote them? Something I am told quite often is this game is not only figuring out WHO scum is but it is also includes GETTING them lynched and you can't do that sitting on the sidelines.



now if you want to do something really pro town, vote DDD he's scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Badmonster felt like they were playing Mafia and didn't know how to fake scumhunt;

is it possible for a person who hasn't scum hunted themselves to criticize somebody else's scum hunting ability?

I have just looked over your iso and it's really just you responding to people. The closest things that I can point to is when you voted Astinus for his L-1 vote and his promise to catch up that never happened (which is funny because you promised to catch up in post 40 and never posted anything that resembled a catchup post which makes you guilty of the exact same thing)

Your vote for a lurker can't be classified as scum hunting because you refused to provide your "statistical analysis".

The most productive thing you have done the entire game was post 231 where you were trying to discredit my vote on you in an attempt to defend yourself.

Why can't you put that kind of effort into scum hunting?

Now I want to address your synopsis of Badmonster in post 296. Here it is to refresh people's memory

It’s immensely troubling that her strongest opinion is that she’s a she and her vote seems magnetized to whatever is popular at the time. SA gets railed for being manipulative and she’s right there. I get MP lynched for lurking and she’s on board. I don’t think there’s anything in her posts that I couldn’t get from the wiki or another player’s posts. This is a good vote.

1. You do realize that badmonster was the first person to accuse SA of being manipulative right? So that kind of nullifies the part where you imply she sheeped her way onto that wagon.
2. Badmonster voted Ms. pompeii BEFORE you did so that nullifies your 2nd point that she was on board with your lurker lynch...
3. The last part is a very vague response and I would dare say is the epitome of what you would call "fake scum hunting"

2 out-right lies and 1 vague reason that doesn't even make sense (nor do i think it is true ala the manipulative accusation she made towards SA is not something she could get off the wiki)

So i STRONGLY urge people to place their vote on DDD unless they can somehow justify why DDD's misrepping the facts with regards to badmonster was a pro-town act.

[Jake from State Farm]

Keep on discrediting me, even when I just proved you are lying. Its really protown...

Why did you lie about bad monster? I just showed 2 examples of you lying, how on earth is that embarrassing me?

[Jake from State Farm]

1. I don't consider what you did "poking". Telling a person to not answer questions meant for somebody else isn't a good reason to scum read someone or even pressure someone, actually that's more of a town trait as it shows eagerness which I rarely see from scum.
2. Sure badmonster put the 3rd vote, so what? That means absolutely nothing. Badmonster voted somebody for a legitimate reason, in fact i'd even say that badmonster's reason was better than dgual's reason. Dgual voted cause SA said they were nervous. Badmonster voted cause he felt SA was being manipulative. nervous vs manipulative, i'd take manipulative 10 times out of 10.

3. Since when has 2 votes EVER in this history of mafia been considered "plenty of cover"? That doesn't even make any sense because from the looks of it badmonster was voting somebody who she was suspicious and that's pretty much the point of the game.


Now on to the whole MP thing.

1. Was I really insistent that this was "your wagon"? I don't think so. I was insistent that your reason for voting pompeii was bad
2. You accused BM of joining YOUR wagon (you actually took credit for it) but she joined before you did. and yet you refuse to consider that a lie? lol
3. You didn't clear the way for it being a safe space because you were not talking about lynching lurkers or inactive players until AFTER you voted Pompeii, which btw was after Badmonster who placed a vote on pompei before anyone else did. So you trying to say she was "on board with your lynch" is as I already said a lie.

Why would you lie about a player if you are not scum DDD?


I think it's funny that when i point out the truth you want to "be done with me" and accuse me of not being interested in the truth. When it's obvious that I am the one trying to clear up your misinformation and you are running away from it.


MORE VOTES ON DDD - HE IS NOW CONFIRMED SCUM. Town do not lie to get people lynched, DDD has lied

[Jake from State Farm]

@ onion

1. welcome to the new mafiascum where gut is used very often as a reason to vote
2. I am not voting DDD soleyly because of meta

[Jake from State Farm]

False. Town lies plenty often to get people lynched. It's usually an indirect lie though, like faking suspicion on someone to get a wagon started then slamming the trap shut.

Fair enough, I dislike those people though..no reason to ever lie in mafia.

But obviously that's not what DDD did, he basically falsely accused somebody of something (2 somethings) and sure my case isn't bulletproof but it's pretty damning and his reaction isn't what I expect from town

[Jake from State Farm]

no, take it back X.x please

look at the effort onion put into replacing
and trying to figure out the game

Tbh he didn't really put in an impressive amount of effort, but its a bad lynch imo

[Jake from State Farm]

The lies he's pointing and screaming about are pretty opinionish

False

Opinions are objective, facts on the other hand are truths. The first lie MAYBE you could incorrectly call an opinion (you'd be wrong) but the second about BM joining ddd's MP wagon is 100% without a doubt LIE.

Lying the setup another player like that is scummy, and certainly not something that I personally don't think town would do.

So the lie is fact
The lie makes him confirmed scum is opinion.

If anyone thinks a townie would lie like that, speak now and.explain yourself.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am extremely uncomfortable with both an SA and an anxiety lynch today, and think we should definitely look elsewhere. Dugaul is my first suspect ATM

We're almost out of time, I think. If I understand correctly. Can you expand on why? If we're lynching the wrong person let's figure it out in time.

Here is one of the posts that read town to me, scum wouldnt have to say this, they would be content just letting things progress. A couple of his other posts read town also and the way he explained his SA vote, even explaining that he wasn't really voting cause others were voting him (what DDD has now accused him of BTW).

It all reads town. Sadly onion has tore that all down. Despite that, I don't think onion is a good lynch. Dgual looks bad for giving intent seemingly out of the blue.

[Jake from State Farm]

Never mind, I misread dguals post, he was already voting onion

[Jake from State Farm]

find the much simpler answer to be better.

If this were a truthful statement from you, your vote would not be on anxiety right now...

[Jake from State Farm]

What I got out of the Badmonster analysis was that the guy practically rode every wagon that existed in this game.

but that isn't true either

he joined SA because of a legit reason
he wasn't on the astinus/anxiety wagon
he was the first to vote pompeii and others followed.

so yeah my point still stands and is validated

I swear if I didn't know any better i'd think you were DDD's scum buddy

[Jake from State Farm]

oops, screwed up that quote tag. Mod, can you fix it?

Also Jake, in 342 you are all "DDD IS NOW CONFIRMED SCUM" which is pretty rabblerousery. You seem quite sure of yourself for being a townie with no outside information. You don't seem to listen to Fix and others about how you should be less sure instead of more sure, and yet you seem more sure none the less. These suspicious eyes are looking at you, sir.
>_>

Why would I listen to other people telling me how I should play, instead of just playing how I play? I could bore you with game after game after game where I basically do the same thing. And what game are you playing? The point of this game is to find somebody you are marginally suspicious of and work at either becoming less sure and move on, or becoming more sure and trying to convince others to follow you.

Seems like I'm playing the game...

You all want to ignore one of the scummiest things to happen in.the game? That's on you. What's that expression. You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink...

And idgaf where your suspicious eyes glare, I've handed town scum on a platter, you'll see eventually

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm ignoring Jake yet again because he says things like "I don't consider what you did "poking"" and then calls me a liar because we disagree on something like that. It's hilarious that he's accusing me of lying to get a lynch when he will say anything.

Telling a person not to answer questions meant for somebody else.isn't poking, its scolding.

You did lie

You are the IC and you are really teaching bad habits (saying its ok to ignore people and basically act like a child cause somebody scum reads you)regardless of your alignment.

And I'm not sold on SA being scum, that's why I don't.think he's your scumbuddy...

[Jake from State Farm]

; so the only real offensive move I can make is to play defense

Not true. You could actually try to get your scumreads lynhed.

Something town players try to do, yet you aren't...

Oh right. You aren't town obviously. Thanks for proving yet again you are scum

[Jake from State Farm]

DDD, you were voting bad for basically lurking and reasons that were proven as not true. Onion comes in.and.most definitely not lurking

So why should people be voting onion now?

Let's see some actual truthful reasons, are you capable of doing that?

[Jake from State Farm]

My concern with you, DDD, although I haven't expressed it yet, is that you don't seem to be scumhunting since your discourse with Jake. I'm aware that it's difficult to juggle the attention required to defend yourself AND hunt scum, but if you're town, you're not doing a good job of juggling that attention, and you're not taking the time to press on anyone else yet.

For the record Jake, I like the case on DDD. I'm just not ready to lynch him, I want to keep looking for the second scum. Where would you think to start looking?

Fuck that, if you're sold, lynch me. Don't waste time finding a partner I don't have.

If you're town, that means I'm doubly likely to be right looking for someone else. You should be supporting me continuing to look.

2 excellent posts

[Jake from State Farm]

Who is fix?

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm just going to shut up now

Best post you have made lol

I don't expect you to do it, but DDD can you link me to a couple of scum games? Preferably one where you were almost lynched or lynched. Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

I will do my own research, when I'm not tending to a sick family member. I would totally expect a town player to be helpful in research that could cause me to change my read but hey, that's just me. If you are town being an a-hole that's swell

[Jake from State Farm]

Mr. D as of now being all helpful he can be, really trying very hard to keep this game going

You are kidding right? Not sure what game you are reading but this absolutely does not describe DDD. Not even close

[Jake from State Farm]

you are right, I am kind of tunnel visioning DDD and I do seem way too sure of my decisions. I don't think anyone else besides DDD has played with me but that is probably the number 1 criticism about my play.

With that being said, what other option do I have? I am scum reading DDD so why would I vote somebody else? The point of this game is to lynch people you think are scum. The only other viable option right now is Onion and who is advocating that lynch? My scum read so of course i am not going to join that wagon, especially when DDD has lied/provided mis-information about that slot.

DDD has basically nothing the entire game but push policy lynches (Mrs. P was a policy lynch lurkers and when he originally voted BM it was also because of her lack of activity) There is no scum hunting going on from him which is funny since he accused somebody of fake scum hunting.

The closest thing he came to making a case turned out to be incorrect. So many people giving DDD a free pass and I don't get it, I literally don't understand.

The ONLY way somebody is going to get me to change my mind is to make a case that is so convincing, one that I agree with and unfortunately nobody has done that.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh and inb4 DDD posts that he is ignoring me again...

[Jake from State Farm]

DDD was the one who claimed responsibility for lynching Ms. pompeii.

I get MP lynched for lurking and she’s on board.

Since BM was voting pompeii before DDD did and DDD is using her being on that wagon against her i felt like it was a very important point to call out.

[Jake from State Farm]

bleh, I know jake is gonna hate this

whatever, just know that until DDD is lynched or somebody puts together a better case I will continue my push on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

not really sure I have a 2nd scum read right now

[Jake from State Farm]

Could you list me off a few of your towns then?

I'd rather not, gives scum too much info

[Jake from State Farm]

Merry Christmas everyone

Gonna be v/la for the next couple of days. Be safe and don't drink and drive

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry guys, been really sick. I can't promise I'll do much today but I'll try a little later.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey DDD, how did your day 1 push on a lurker pan out? Yeah she was town...

Why are you advocating yet another policy lynch on another lurker? I mean that's basically what you just outlined in your recent post.

I mean sure his posts have been absolutely useless, but so were Mrs.P's. So since we know that lurking and useless posts can come from town just as likely as scum, why on earth are you still trying to get a lurker lynched?

Where is your scum hunting? You haven't done any. Where's your protown behavior? You blatantly lied about a player to get him lynched, so you haven't exhibited any of that either.

So we have 3 options.

1. Lynch a lurker which teaches us nothing
2. Lynch a scummy player who has done very good scummy things where even if we are wrong, will teach us info
3. No Lynch.

Option 2 is the best option. Lynch DDD people. If he flips town you can Lynch me tomorrow

[Jake from State Farm]

If I have to prevent a nl. I'll reluctantly vote x3, but the smart play here is DDD.

[Jake from State Farm]

Deadline is in 10 hours.
Okay, you know what.
I agree with DDD fully.

VOTE: x3so

BTW, with 10 hours left this is a bad vote. Its sort of forcing a nl rather than putting a player closer to a Lynch. If you are town in future games please learn to compromise for the greater good.

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't lie one bit, you on the other hand most certainly did.

And I can't be scum MVP, that's your award plus I'm not scum.

If you are truly town hopefully you learn that your data and analysis is clearly wrong, lurker lynches are bad, and lying/making up info to Lynch players should 100% never be done.

But I think you are trolling, I still expect a scum flip here because you didn't leave a final post that I'd expect from town.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you have to explain your play, that means you aren't playing how a townie should play...

So you are town playing bad or scum. We will see soon

[Jake from State Farm]

If you are town I will be dumbfounded at how you could go the entire game without much if any scum hunting.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and I notice still no final reads list or useful post... What a great example you are setting. A lynched townie would at least do that.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you are town I will be dumbfounded at how you could go the entire game without much if any scum hunting.

THAT WAS YOUR FAULT YOU FUCKING DOLT. I explained exactly why the rational calculus of the game state meant the best offense was a good defense. I don't expect you probably read that post because it didn't contain something you could twist to look scummy but I explained everything including that, not my fault you don't get it or had no interest in getting it.

don't curse at me and don't insult me. I have done nothing to warrant cursing or insults from you so I would appreciate it if you would show me the respect I deserve.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and I notice still no final reads list or useful post... What a great example you are setting. A lynched townie would at least do that.

Insulting you is exceedingly useful, because it reinforces to everyone what an idiot you are. That's useful information. Also useful information? All my previous posts where you could probably cobble together a near exact lynch list in order if you actually gave a fuck, which you don't so...

I will be reporting your behavior to the newbie list mod and have them review your conduct. I honestly don't feel these attacks are justified AND they are in direct violation to the mod's game rules not to mention site rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

don't curse at me and don't insult me. I have done nothing to warrant cursing or insults from you so I would appreciate it if you would show me the respect I deserve.

Respect is earned not freely given; you've done nothing to deserve it and plenty to warrant that scorn. You're awful to play mafia with; please never replace into a game I'm playing again.

All I'm guilty of is playing the game and scum reading you. I've done absolutely nothing to warrant disrespect from you. I've not insulted you, I haven't cursed at you, hell I haven't even done anything bad at all. I was playing the game and if you have a problem with people scum reading you, that's your issue you need to work out. To curse at me and insult me for scum reading you is the epitome of bad play. So criticize me all you want but, but to say I did something to earn disrespect from you is 100% false.


Now, I will plan on rereading sometime in the next couple of days. I have no idea who's scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Also we are in Mylo, which means if we mislynch we lose. Unless tracker has a guilty result we have a statistical advantage to no lynching today. So I'd prefer we discuss that at some point.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and a Happy New year to everyone.

[Jake from State Farm]

It is mylo. If we lynch wrong, we lose. We don't run the risk of losing the tracker (assuming he's legit) and scum has to play "find the doc" assuming we have that in this setup.

Finding 2 scum out of a group of 5, is statistically better than a group of 6.

I also think its better if we don't say much as to not give scum any info. But that's my opinion.

vote: no lynch

You guys do what you want

[Jake from State Farm]

I also did say that if DDD flipped town you could lynch me today, if that's what you want that's fine by me. I'm OK losing this game based on lynching DDD for his actions.

[Jake from State Farm]

No one would want to came up with that post... Why do you encourage Lynch like that?

Cause I'm a man of my word, a man with integrity.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes a no Lynch will give us another day phase, Another person for anxiety to try and track, and another person to scratch off the suspected scum list.

[Jake from State Farm]

Right now. 6 alive means 4 town vs 2 scum. Tomorrow will be 5 alive 3 town vs 2 scum (in theory anyway)

[Jake from State Farm]

Its simple math not to mention common sense.

Is it easier to find 2 scum out of a group of 6 or 5?

I'm sure you can find info in the mafia discussion forum if you want. The last newbie game I played people talked about it and did it, I've seen it in other games also.

[Jake from State Farm]

.33% vs .4%

[Jake from State Farm]

Well fuck.

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[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah, I thought Jake was the bulletproof for a while. That's the main reason I trusted his tunnel on DDD. Bulletproof, Doctor PR either way.

I would have done that had I not been a PR tbh because I thought he was scum. I certainly wasn't after him for a grudge like he thought.

We hashed it out in the dead thread, good stuff.

Nice job SA, you single handedly won the game imo

[Jake from State Farm]

You thought Onion was the doctor? My word.

lol this

I will say onion did completely ruin my town read on that slot with his replacement. If the original person didn't replace out i wonder how this game would have turned out