Newbie 1607: Ferytales GAME OVER

[Hostile Intent]

Hey Nacho, do you think that I'm doctor this game?

Context.

[Hostile Intent]

If you're serious, that was incredibly nonsensical.

If you're joking, that was incredibly nonsensical.

[Hostile Intent]

I don't want it to have been made that easy, though.

I feel what you're feeling but I'm mentally blocking it out.

[Hostile Intent]

Shut the fuck up.

[Hostile Intent]

Yes. If it ends up being that easy, we'll figure that out.

But all this taking the joke way too serious got us screeching out of RVS, which is great, but dwelling on it and arguing about a joke will only end in pages of fluffy nonsense. Much ado about nothing. Toxicity in a town can be its downfall and I'm not having it.

[Hostile Intent]

God, you guys couldn't possibly be more predictable. Emotes aren't an alignment tell. I'm defending a town read because he was joking. He clearly doesn't speak English as a first language so stating his word choice is indicative is equally incorrect. Clearly you don't know the type of player I am.

My name is Hostile Intent. I'm not the greatest player in the game, I'm really not very good at all sometimes, but to allow town to squander over an "emote tell" only for those that followed that garbage wagon to exchange pointed fingers with those that started the damn thing with the entire town going "whelp, now we're square one a-herp herp-de-derp!" isn't where I want to be tomorrow.

I'm going to wait for our still-absent IC to chime in.

If you've got qualms with what I'm saying to the point that you think I'm scummy, vote me. FOS is absolutely worthless and not worth my time.

[Hostile Intent]

So your vote on Bisanu didn't mean that much to you?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Hostile Intent]

I didn't say that? It's just funny that I'm magically this guy's partner because I disagree with your garbage tells. Then the next thing I know I'm being voted because I called you out for using FOS, I guess? I'm not sure. Was there another "super great tell" I've exhibited that you'd like to share with the class? Because as of right now it just looks like you're voting me because I called you out on bullshit and you didn't like it.

[Hostile Intent]

So you admittedly don't have a case... but it's a warning vote. I can't even

Like, seriously, who do you think you're kidding here?

I'm not one to particularly give a shit about scum reads. Or threats of scum reads.

I'll allow the rest of the player list to chime in, IC included. See you tomorrow, dear.

Pedit: Got it. No case. Showmanship points, though. Good for you.

[Hostile Intent]

I want to know why hostile reads bisanu as town also.

Because I genuinely believe he didn't have ill intent with his joke. He speaks a different language. I don't think his behavior or reaction to their reactions/votes are scum motivated. He's now visibly sorry for being misconstrued in the way they've gone. That's town behavior. Anti-town at worst.

I didn't think cowbells was scum; however, "I think you're town but will vote you anyway" is beyond anti-town.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Hostile Intent]

Bully votes? I told you that FOS is worthless. That's exactly what I said. I said if you're suspicious of me, you should vote me. Then you did. Then you switched back. THEN you said you'd vote me even though you know I'm town. That's not town motivation.

[Hostile Intent]

Is there anything that

doesn't

trigger you?



UH OH GUYS THE EMOTE TELL.

I need some time to process this, but Nacho getting TvT from my argument and getting a scum read from Joe makes sense. What doesn't make sense is RC's chainsaw defense just now. Overeager scum is overeager, maybe? I'm not sure yet.

[Hostile Intent]

How were you being obvious town?

[Hostile Intent]

Servanto, they can go as long as four (maybe five?) day phases. Each phase can last at least ten days on average. So, unless we absolutely dominate the scum team, it could last as long as a month or two. Phases last a bit longer in newbie games, however, to accommodate for those who don't really know how to play the game.

Sloppy Joe, I'm of the opinion that saying "I would've said/done X as scum" isn't a great/strong argument. We don't know what you'd do because you haven't accumulated any meta on site one way or the other. Who are your two top reads?

[Hostile Intent]

I imagine those are your scum reads.

Can you go into detail as to why those are your strongest reads?

What happened to make them stronger than your first scum read regarding the joke post?

[Hostile Intent]

Its page four. Stop talking about teams. Let's find ONE scum first, yeah?

Your vote was in the right place.

[Hostile Intent]

Why not?

[Hostile Intent]

What are your current scum reads?

[Hostile Intent]

I'm willing to vote/lynch Sloppy Joe or RadiantCowbells almost for all the same reasons.

[Hostile Intent]

You're willing to lynch Argos for associative tells?

[Hostile Intent]

I thought "on one of them" included Argos. Who are you talking about lynching for associative tells in 110?

[Hostile Intent]

But you said "on one of them" so who was the second person if you're not talking about Argos?

[Hostile Intent]

Its not a misrepresentation. That's literally what you said. Associative tells from a lynch "on one of them" meaning you think you can get associative tells from Argos. How is that a misrepresentation?

[Hostile Intent]

How else are you going to see to their flip?

[Hostile Intent]

Moreover, what associative tells could you get from an Argos flip?

[Hostile Intent]

Aha.

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells
VOTE: Sloppy Joe

You're town. This is my only other scum read.

Sloppy Joe is L-1. Do not hammer without claiming intent.

[Hostile Intent]

I don't have a scum read on Argos. I'll present my thoughts on Sloppy Joe later.

[Hostile Intent]

She's saying she can get associative flips from Argos. I inherently disagree with that because he only has, like, five posts. But through that conversation I saw into her mindset and came to the conclusion that I'm probably wrong about her alignment.

You want to try that again, guy?

[Hostile Intent]

You don't always have to agree with other townies. As a matter of fact, you probably won't.

So that's a terrible "point."

Try again.

[Hostile Intent]

What am I forgetting? Please quote.

I'll get to everything after the holiday. Too damn busy now.

[Hostile Intent]

Joe is the scum, guys. Vote Joe.

I'm still busy and now behind, so you'll have to give me a bit of time on this.

[Hostile Intent]

Binasu, why are you voting Nacho if you think more factually that one of myself and Cowbells are scum?

[Hostile Intent]

UNVOTE: Sloppy Joe
VOTE: Nachomamma8

Lurking is actually a major scum tell for Nacho.

I didn't realize it was as bad as it is. Let's go that way instead.

[Hostile Intent]

No, I got word from someone before replacing in.

[Hostile Intent]

Mhm. It was in person, they were right over my shoulder. I looked over the player list before pm'ing the mod (there are already some players I'd rather avoid, ha) and they saw your name. "He lurks as scum," they said. That's literally the entire conversation. Is there a problem with my knowing that you lurk as scum? Because as excited as I am to have your attention (the game deserves it, IC) I think the context is rather telling given the situation.

[Hostile Intent]

Fair enough.

Your reaction reads scum though.

[Hostile Intent]

I voted because of third-party information, yes. I wanted to gauge his reaction.

He did not react well.

[Hostile Intent]

It's a scum-motivated response because he immediately wanted to discredit me, which he attempted to do.

Associative tells page two and associative flips post-D1 are two completely different things.

[Hostile Intent]

Its the way he did it.

I don't mind a healthy disagreement. He, on the other hand, almost immediately responded and went full-swing-to-the-fence style discrediting. "Are you an alt?" "They don't know what they're talking about." Not "well I've been busy" or "that's not a strong tell for me." Do you see the difference?

[Hostile Intent]

Do you think Servanto is scum?

[Hostile Intent]

I don't even know anymore.

[Hostile Intent]

I'm just exhausted right now. I'll be back tomorrow.

UNVOTE: NachoMamma8

[Hostile Intent]

Meh.

I'll hammer before deadline.

[Hostile Intent]

Whomever is L-1 that I find scummiest or will provide the most information post-flip.

[Hostile Intent]

^That's a great idea, actually.

[Hostile Intent]

VOTE: Servanto

[Hostile Intent]

Wa

Dierfire - I think he's also pretty townish.
dragonspawn - Seems pretty townish to me.

Ha ha I wrote the scummiest people first and didn't realize this error.

How do you feel about them both being on the Servanto wagon with you?

[Hostile Intent]

We really screwed the pooch on this one, guys.

[Hostile Intent]

I feel like you're full of shit.

[Hostile Intent]

Testing the wagon waters there, eh Hydrandrama? I lol'd.

[Hostile Intent]

L-1 Nacho vote dependant on response to game.

[Hostile Intent]

That wouldn't be wise. He could hammer himself and we'd be blind to finding his partner.

[Hostile Intent]

VOTE: Nachomamma8

[Hostile Intent]

should be around later tonight

Cool prod dodge, bro.

[Hostile Intent]

Oh my bad you missed it by like half a day.

I can hardly tell since you're, you know, not around at all.

[Hostile Intent]

Scum is running this game and I don't even give a shit anymore.

[Hostile Intent]

His defense was asinine. He should statistically be dead already. There's nothing in his ISO that makes me say "yeah, he's town." The Azure wagon is scum-motivated paranoia garbage and I'm not hammering that ever.

Bisanu, I suggest you don't hammer that either.

[Hostile Intent]

You fall under the "paranoia" portion of the wagon for now.

My only current concern is lynching scum!Nacho.

[Hostile Intent]

Are you reading the game?

[Hostile Intent]

Thespio, don't hammer Azureflame unless you absolutely think they're scum.

[Hostile Intent]

Fucking *YES* I knew that Goddamn slot was town. Thank fuck.

Pedit: I agree that RC is mega scummy, I'm not sold over Nacho. Let's lynch Nacho, yes?

[Hostile Intent]

Why do you abhor playing scum?

Solid deflection and AtE there, chief. I town read you D1. That doesn't mean I'm not privy to reconsidering that. That being said, if I *were* scum reading you as hard as you'd like to push people to believe, why am I not voting you right now?

[Hostile Intent]

That's tremendously terrible logic. "I survived D1 and survived well! I'm conf!town!"

So much fucking no in that logic.

Please quote where I'm asking to be convinced because that's also very wrong.

[Hostile Intent]

Negative, Ghostwriter.

[Hostile Intent]

scum on HI*

[Hostile Intent]

Quote where I flipped because I fucking didn't you deflecting little liarpantses.

Deflecting attention just like you're doing son don't act like its not dilibarate as shit.

[Hostile Intent]

Hi, third fucking time saying this.

I never endorsed RC. Not once.

[Hostile Intent]

Well, shitdicks. This is why I typically avoid more than one game at a time.

But hey I live dangerously.

Yeah, I clearly need to do some re-reading because I'm forgetting too much if I can't remember my own reads.

Also yes, that's about AP. I know I heavily didn't support the Azure wagon.

[Hostile Intent]

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

[Hostile Intent]

Heavy scum read, mostly gut.

The replacement before AP made me question my previous read, and AP all but confirmed that read had been wrong. Not much else I can say about that other than the fact that I was vehemently against the Azure wagon as well... but you didn't seem to give a shit that I was reading the slot differently then.

Honestly I think you guys should lynch me if it helps down the road. I am a negative asset to town and a majorly likely candidate for scum to lynch tomorow in lylo (if we don't lynch one today).

[Hostile Intent]

Yeah, my gut isn't really good enough for me either.

Why would you be more willing to vote Nacho tomorrow if Deir flips scum?

[Hostile Intent]

Oh fuck there's only a day left?

Intent to hammer. Dierfire, please claim.

[Hostile Intent]

Cool story, bro. Tell it agai-- oh you already did.

Why isn't your vote on AP if that's what you'd really want?

[Hostile Intent]

Well I'm glad you didn't claim doctor.

VOTE: Dierfire

[Hostile Intent]

Oh, right.

22 hours left. We need info flips n stuff.

See ya in a couple days, nutsacks.

[Hostile Intent]

[Hostile Intent]

We're not guaranteed a doctor in this game. The cop might've been the only PR.

I don't think AP's flip clears Nacho at all. How did you get there?

[Hostile Intent]

Lol I'm less inclined to harass him today; however, I don't think "its down to you/Cowbells" is great logic when Dier (according to the thread) was scumming it up pretty hard. Nacho wouldn't have had any other choice in that vein. Nor would anybody else. So that's not a very substantial point.

[Hostile Intent]

I'm not disputing how hard I've been on Nacho, I'm simply saying he's not priority number one right now.

[Hostile Intent]

Wait, aren't we in LyLo?

The longer scum doesn't come in and quickhammer, the more obvious it becomes that one of you (or both) is scum.

My money is on RC.

[Hostile Intent]

OH NO THAT'S RIGHT. We lynched a scum yesterday.

Carry on.

[Hostile Intent]

Totally fake. I hammered my partner and then faked

forgetting about it

.

Fucking scholar over here, mates.

[Hostile Intent]

Accidental hammer still feels natural upon re-read.

Nacho's absence feels like just enough to let him survive over AP.

That leaves Thespio and RC for me. And RC has been on-and-off scummy all game.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

L-1

[Hostile Intent]

...so you're voting with whom you just had as a scum read?

Seems legit.

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Hostile Intent]

We only have one more mislynch, so today is the last day we can lynch town and still have a shot.

Idk why your numbers are showing for two mislynches. This is it.

[Hostile Intent]

It's actually only 20% and 33%, you're not accounting for yourself in your numbers. Nobody knows you're town.

[Hostile Intent]

Idk, but I do know I have to go before LyLo or we're way more likely to lose.

I'd hammer myself but a) that's anti-wincon, and b) we need max info in LyLo.

[Hostile Intent]

I hammered Dier.

I don't recall ever saying "I think Dier is town" or "Dier is a bad lynch," though I'm sure I said "I prefer Nacho because why the fuck is he alive."

Again, I do agree that I need to go, but don't lambaste about how I was anti-Dier. I wasn't.

[Hostile Intent]

My paranoia on his slot was all I had in regards to a full scum read.

IC's do not, often times, survive this long. Unless they're incompetent or simply absent. It may be the latter at this point as he's been lurking for the better part of the entire game.

[Hostile Intent]

You're clearly the exception, not the rule. I'm over it. Can we lynch me now?

[Hostile Intent]

Vanilla town. Surpriiiiiiiiiise.

Scum wins this game tomorrow.

[Hostile Intent]

woulda coulda shoulda

Good game, Nacho.