Newbie 1674: Fireworks! -- Game Over

[ShockZephyr]

1) I've played like 5-6 role madness type games off this site, but I've messed around with IRL parlor game Mafia too
2) I love playing scum. There's just more power in it. But town can be fun too, but it's more of a guessing game, whereas scum can plan ahead.
3) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ShockZephyr]

1) I've played like 5-6 role madness type games off this site, but I've messed around with IRL parlor game Mafia too
2) I love playing scum. There's just more power in it. But town can be fun too, but it's more of a guessing game, whereas scum can plan ahead.
3) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ShockZephyr]

I'm sorry, but you expect someone completely new to the site to understand the meta of reviewing other people's past games? If you are town, that sounds like experience bias. If not, it's an easy way to string up an innocent person.

[ShockZephyr]

Or are they null tells? That questionnaire seems useless to me.

[ShockZephyr]

Ok wow. Whole new meta, whole new scene. Now with Terrible Spelling!
Anyway, watch me crack under this tiny amount of pressure. Anyway.

I defended Turiko bc no reason not to.
I can't really get any deep and meaningful reads. I'd claim, but it's too early to expose the set-up possibilities. I'm not a PR, but I'm not scum. And I'm (probably) not a cult recruiter!

[ShockZephyr]

Wow that was quick. I'm so proud, it's like I'm playing with Sherlock :')

[ShockZephyr]

Oh because they don't already know I'm town?

[ShockZephyr]

Also, you need to stop the 1v1 tunnel. The other's aren't posting and that's a bad sign.

This is just "Stop talking plz, ur making me nervous" under a coat of Townie paint

[ShockZephyr]

But what if I'm scum, huh?

[ShockZephyr]

Scum will lurk, whether just two people are talking, none, or the whole damn town is talking.

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Smithereens

[ShockZephyr]

Ok wow. Whole new meta, whole new scene. Now with Terrible Spelling!
Anyway, watch me crack under this tiny amount of pressure. Anyway.

[ShockZephyr]

Maybe you should read my wiki!
/sarcasm

[ShockZephyr]

Oh hey, here's a game from offsite that's my most recent win.
http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/forga/1686232

[ShockZephyr]

Same UN on that site btw

[ShockZephyr]

Plus, finding PRs isn't too hard. At minimum there's one town aligned PR. 7 town, so it's a 1/7 chance.

[ShockZephyr]

I didn't say to hand them over now did I? I said, by RNG, PRs aren't too hard to locate, even in the hardest cases.

[ShockZephyr]

@aphix
What am I allowed to talk about? Should I just chat about my day?

[ShockZephyr]

Don't want to tbh. Gut feeling. D1 and I love hammers

[ShockZephyr]

Give me a good reason to unvote besides "too early"

[ShockZephyr]

Give me a good reason to unvote besides "too early"

you need to give reasons for voting not un voting .... *shrugs*

Ok

[ShockZephyr]

I want you (smithereens) to help me get one good reason to vote for anyone else.

[ShockZephyr]

Ok what?

Just "Ok"

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I like this!

why?

Because you're kinda tryharding on gaining town cred. And that seems scummish to me.

[ShockZephyr]

He/him aren't my pronouns lol
It's she/her

[ShockZephyr]

lol , read my meta.

Nah

[ShockZephyr]

I'm seeing a townie being too confused. Scumplay isn't as analytical.

[ShockZephyr]

I'm seeing a townie being too confused. Scumplay isn't as analytical.

and people you called this guy a newbie!

I actually agree with this but if people think I'm a newbie, they obviously didn't read the dumb questionnaire where I said I've played like 6 games before. I am still adjusting to this weird meta but w/e

[ShockZephyr]

Hey, Political Clout! Any thoughts on this game so far?

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Smithereens

[ShockZephyr]

Justification:
I feel like Smith has something to hide, and in this basic game, I doubt it's anything but being scum. They tried to stop discussion, they're trying to lead people into really bad WIFOM, and get irate when people pressure them.

I could easily see Ika or Frozen Angel as a scumbuddy, but I wouldn't be cool with lynching Ika, just because I haven't heard from them too much.

[ShockZephyr]

Lol sniped by a vote

[ShockZephyr]

@que or whatever
How am I bullshitting on anything. Your attempt to wagon on me isn't even subtle. I maintain my vote on your slot. Also, don't criticize others for "walls of text" when your posts span what feels like pages, riddled with odd grammar. If anything, you're the bullshitter here.

[ShockZephyr]

I *could* work with an Ika pressure but I far prefer a zephyr pressure.

Just because I'm the easiest lynch. Why not pressure ika?

[ShockZephyr]

My attempt to wagon on u is not meant to be subtle. My attempt is very non-subtle. You accuse ppl with BS allugations. You claim vanilla town without any reason to do so. U are detrimental 2 the town. Ur slot is a lurky slot. U should be pressured and we see if u buckle under it.

What have I ever said, specifically, not just this vagueness you so enjoy, that's anti-town or bullshit. I claimed vanilla town bc I usually claim early, unless I'm playing scum, so I can wait for others to claim first. Besides, I'd claim a PR if I was trying to gain town cred. I'm not a lurky spot. I've got 35 posts, more than a quite a few others. I'd rather you lynch me, and when I turn up VT, town sees your scummishness and lynches your bullshitting ass next.

[ShockZephyr]

9 players have >35 posts. Two, you and Political Clout, are subs. But I'm no lurker.

[ShockZephyr]

[ShockZephyr]

Also @aphix
You, Que, and Smith (before replacement) all share very similar 'anti-me' feelings. In addition, you could call que's vote on me a bit of a late OMGUS, couldn't you? Do you have any particular feeling on Smith's spot?

[ShockZephyr]

Specifically, you're discounting my posting (bullshitter, active lurker), calling me a lurker, and calling for an unconditional lynch on me. Eerily similar there, huh?

[ShockZephyr]

*bangs head into desk*

Yeah. And you all probably won't actually lynch that there ... I'm going to bed.

A v o i d i n g t h e q u e s t i o n

[ShockZephyr]

Ok here's a plan:
1. Lynch me, see me flip VT
2. Lynch Aphix, then Que
3. Profit

But seriously town, why is que defending Aphix? Why are their reasons for my lynch so unanimous?

[ShockZephyr]

Guyz can we lynch this thing plz?

Please.

[ShockZephyr]

"Who is scum"
"If I'm scum, ur assbackwards"

[ShockZephyr]

I'm uhhh not the most consistent player, but I have a few games offsite that prove that my Scumplay is more of a silent, keeping my head down sort of thing. I usually make dumb plays as town, and the site I came from wasn't as… serious.

[ShockZephyr]

Hey hey, don't be worried! We've got 6 days, right? You seem defensive.

Are you scum or something?

[ShockZephyr]

I'm going into stealth mode to stop this tunnel for a while. Throw any questions my way though and I'll get to them as best I can.

[ShockZephyr]

Uhh here's one where I'm scum.
http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/forga/1654388
Notice how low my post count is before the day I'm lynched.

Here's one where I'm town.
http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/forga/1630304/1
Notice my "troll" posting.

I'll be honest. The way I post could totally be considered anti town, but I'd rather be lynched for that than being scum.

[ShockZephyr]

@political clout
Why?

[ShockZephyr]

@aphix
Not suspicious. Not suspicious at all. Just… odd? Because it's just an odd move.

[ShockZephyr]

Things can be odd and not be a scumtell.

[ShockZephyr]

>new player is confused slightly
>new player not seeing everything as a scumtell is a scumtell

I'm really hoping your scum, because if your reads are this bad, I'm disappointed in you.

[ShockZephyr]

Then lynch me.

[ShockZephyr]

Well don't blame me when you lynch town

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: ShockZephyr

[ShockZephyr]

Just remember when I turn town to point fingers at Que, FA, and aphix.

[ShockZephyr]

/waits for LOLhammer

[ShockZephyr]

Nah bc when I turn town it'll point fingers towards those who I think are scum.

Btw, you're a huge hypocrite FA.

lol , read my meta.

Ika knows I'm a hard tryer! and I'm a hard tryer to catch scum no giving myself town cred ...

[ShockZephyr]

I'm not claiming newbie? I said this meta is new. I can't play in main games or I would. If you think I'm scum, you aren't thinking very hard. I know it's easier to think I'm scum than odd playing town but Occam's Razor isn't always right.

[ShockZephyr]

Ok wow.

Whole new meta, whole new scene.

Now with Terrible Spelling!
Anyway, watch me crack under this tiny amount of pressure. Anyway.

[ShockZephyr]

No. I'm scum, why would I do anything townish?

[ShockZephyr]

Also LOL @ you saying I haven't been scumhunting. What was I doing with Que then? Playing hopscotch?

[ShockZephyr]

Well, he and I are in the scumchat together so

But no. He and Aphix came after me together, using similar language, and then he's going for this Super Newbie Townie look, but I guess it's just a gut feeling to me.

[ShockZephyr]

Also @ your 'read' on me:

[ShockZephyr]

Your 'points' are objective bullshit. At least have the balls to say it's just a gut read.

I'm using my lynch as a way to make me ConfTown. That way it doesn't seem like I'm scum pushing a lynch.

[ShockZephyr]

[quote="In post 337, Frozen Angel"]

1 - claiming VT and making doubt that your a scum [ when I was considering you a newbie VT]
You won't believe me, not my fault.

2 - acting like noobs then showing as a fearless gladiator
Never judge a book by its cover.

3 - puting people in L1 without claiming - Its like if I wasn't calling it , you were waiting for a lolhammer , becuase you were testing the waters before unvote
See Also: No Fun Allowed sign

4 - You unvoted him - voted me for no reason - then voted back on him when you relized town mentality is not following you
I can't switch my vote to try to pressure someone? Lol

5 - You ask people to lynch you
To bring weight to my words

6 - your bringing self meta on the table ...
No meta, says the one who told me to read their meta

I can't handle this aymore[
Same. /quote]

[ShockZephyr]

Well shucks, messed up my ol' quote BBCode

[ShockZephyr]

Wow damn I'm sorry I don't know who scum is, and my reads change.

[ShockZephyr]

I just really hope that both the scum aren't SEs.

[ShockZephyr]

I've made my case. Try reading it.

[ShockZephyr]

Maybe. I don't know
Maybe the scum's lurking, or maybe they're you

But if you're town, know that you pressuring me isn't helping. You're giving scum a free d1.

[ShockZephyr]

I want to believe everyone's town but w/e

[ShockZephyr]

Am I the only one that finds it weird prior to

his

self vote,

he

is voting Olha ... But then says when

he

flips town lynch myself and then olha in that order ... then later on puts olha at the front of

his

list, me at the end and FA in the middle ... I love the whole, whoever is attacking me is scummier motivation here it seems here ...

Again, the fact that I placed a case on you and all the sudden the whole post of your tone changed, like you were trying to discuss something, but when that didn't immediately provide response you decide to become trolly and vote yourself?

You aren't conftowning yourself. If you flip town how do you think this awful play in any way makes your reads any better? If anything you flip town you are restricting town from information that'll be useful later on in the game ... For fucks sake, regardless of your alignment you should drop your sarcastic, better then thou attitude and actually play the game, if you are town, you should especially do it as there is no benefit to anyone except scum for how you are playing.

But I am better than thou. Am playing game. If you want to tell me how to play, you could always not.

I see no reason town would self vote at this poin.

*point

[ShockZephyr]

U know guys

I am starting to th1nk, a litl bit, that schockzephrye is 1 of thos abominabl town players u know. The kind that self votes, that has BS backwards reads, that contribute almost nothing.

This is Y I am not removing m vote on them rite now because honestly Id like to see which slot decides 2 lol hamer this guy. It is only a detrimental person for town anyway.

I could go with a IKA pressure, bc they promise to contribute yet they didnt. I dont like ppl who promise things then don't do okay. PC u with me?

Holy shit this is such a scummy post

[ShockZephyr]

"I'm getting a town read, but lynch them anyway."

Are you covering yourself for my flip?

[ShockZephyr]

UNVOTE:
lel

[ShockZephyr]

See learn!

YOU AS Town shouldn't ever self vote...

so are you town or scum?

Ok

[ShockZephyr]

I'm 3p serial killer

[ShockZephyr]

[ShockZephyr]

[ShockZephyr]

sill retain my scum read on you

Y M I scum?

Who is my scum buddy?

U r BULLSHITING town
I do not like BULLSHITING

[ShockZephyr]

OlhaQueCoisaMaisLinda

(1): ika

Nice attempt at an OMGUS band wagon there bud

[ShockZephyr]

OMGUS is a pretty big scumtell

[ShockZephyr]

The OMGUS attempt is in#410
#420 and #421 shed some more light on the situation.

[ShockZephyr]

Also holy shit I got post #420 this is my life achievement

[ShockZephyr]

>says hammer is detriMENTAL (huhuhhuhhu great pun)
>tells me to vote hammer

Well, I always follow instructions
VOTE: Olha

I don't see Alita is scum so I'll vote for someone who I think is scum. I

could see

how you'd get a scum read off Alita though, but they personally don't ping me so

[ShockZephyr]

Wait fuck
*karnage for all those alita's

[ShockZephyr]

Jesus FA don't take everything so personally, and then maybe you wouldn't look so damn scummy

[ShockZephyr]

Where even is my vote? I'm just going to vote FA because I've got a scum read on them, and to be honest, I'd rather help someone scummy get lynched than stay idealistic and potentially give scum a free day. I love a good D1 lynch

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

Incidentally, cute avatar

[ShockZephyr]

detri MENTAL shockzephire slot.

Wow that gr8 pun is made even better by that spelling. Are you gonna continue to make that pun all game?

[ShockZephyr]

How can it be OMGUS if you didn't even vote me

[ShockZephyr]

And the fuck I want to see why your accusing me to be someones scum buddy without seeing a flipp. thats so damn fucking scummy

Uhh, if I read 2 people as scum, and then they start collaborating scumhunts, I'm gonna be pretty sus of them.

[ShockZephyr]

Agggghhhh more replacements.

[ShockZephyr]

Reasons for vote, EE?

[ShockZephyr]

Sigh.....

But like, Why?

[ShockZephyr]

@absinthe
When you get caught up, I'd love to here anything readwise!

[ShockZephyr]

Shit. Yes she. Right now. She's barely posted anything, and none of it has been of substance. Most of what she has posted has been trolling assshittery as far as game relevance goes. I don't know about anyone else but I can't see anything in her posts that indicate her thoughts on the game. It's a lot of empty questions. That she doesn't follow up on. Insults and fluff. That's it.

Uhh ok? Coulda sworn I was scumhunting or at least attempting to but w/e
Btw, "barely posted anything", who has the most posts Aphix? (Lynch all liars)

Plus @absinthe I don't really post when I'm not mentioned yeah because I always feel like I'm messing up the other people's gameplay, plus when I defended Turiko over something small people got on my so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ShockZephyr]

In my opinion if you can read an ISO and not see any real stance ... That's concerning. If all of your opinion on her feelings and stances on a game rely on context ... That could be you adding in your own context or just reading it wrong. And also that supports my case that she hasn't actually posted her feelings in the thread. Because she hasn't. Even her latest flop onto voting FA has been because she'd rather lynch someone that was "scummy" then go with a no lynch. She doesn't provide any reason for why. She's not building any connections or bridges ... It's a very strong place for scum to be.

Because no lynch= free day for scum. How is it scummy to go for a secondary scum read when if I stuck with Olha's slot I could've been the one to cause a no lynch

Also, since a new person subbed into FA's spot I'll UNVOTE: so they aren't lynched without defending themselves.

[ShockZephyr]

Oh they unvoted me

[ShockZephyr]

Every vote counts ya know? Is it wrong for me not to have a vote? I'll remedy that then
VOTE: Aphix

[ShockZephyr]

I'm so glad you defended yourself by the number of posts you have ... Because how many posts you make is OBVIOUSLY what I'm talking about.

Well then what were you talking about genius? How good the objective value of my ISO is? Also, how is context needed. I've never posted my reads, and only ever really replied to other players.

[ShockZephyr]

*four hour long fart sound*

Thanks for your input Aphix. Valuable. Sagacious.

[ShockZephyr]

But for real, why so defensive?

[ShockZephyr]

Since you're the int'l authority on Good Mafia Playing why don't you tell me exactly how I should play? I could really use it as apparently all I post is bullshit. Why do you start attacking me once I post? Looking to push an easy lynch onto town?

[ShockZephyr]

Hah. It's funny enough when someone else says I'm being oppurtunistic for pushing you as a lynch. It's just downright scummy coming from you. And defensive? Like my case on you is new? Only because you just now decided to vote me? Yeah. I'm being so defensive, in pointing out how scummy you are.

[quote="In post 611, aphix"When there is what ... two votes on them? They literally aren't at risk of being lynched so your 'reason' is bullshit.[/quote]

I thought two votes wasn't a lynch risk so why are you defensive?

[ShockZephyr]

I mean, I state she's not posting content, she defends by saying she's got more posts then anyone, so we should lynch all liars ... If that's not a blatant attempt at misrepresentation I don't know what is.

Nah, that's you trying to change up the idea of the statement when you're wrong

She's provided no reads, she only starts rocking the boat when someone calls her scum,

Not gonna get into a conversation I'm not involved in. If you want something, ask.

when people aren't pushing she's content to quietly posts bs here and there to look active.

Ah, actually I just don't post'

Without actually doing anything.

What am I doing now? Is this bullshit? What isn't bullshit according to you? (Genuine question)

She fully admits to not providing any reads. That in no way is town motivated.

Playing my reads close to my chest =/= scum

[ShockZephyr]

Fa and shock couldn't be scum tho they fought each other.

Ok but why would you be so sure of this? I'm not saying it's a tell, just seems like you'd be fooled if scum fake fought.

[ShockZephyr]

My thoughts on what seem to be the top lynch candidates:

Ika

just a lurker, which doesn't have a strict alignment to it. Basically, I wouldn't want to lynch this just for lurking but some people are very much the type to lurker lynch. (Though they usually turn out to be scum)

EE

had a strong town read on him, but now I'm not 100% sure. But he is fighting with Aphix, which is my strongest scumread at the moment.

Karnage

genuinely not sure. I'd call him a nulltell.

My thoughts on Political Clout: When he first subbed in, I was seeing a strong town read, but on pages 29/30, when he defended Ika for no reason it seemed a little scum. Yeah I know I did they same at the very beginning of D1 but whatever.

[quote="In post 759shock seems disapeared and honestly she still hasn't really been here except to fling confident sarcastic shit.[/quote]

Can't go long without attacking me now can you?

[ShockZephyr]

Basically tl;dr I'm not sure about anything, ever.

[ShockZephyr]

Huh. Now I'm shocks number one scum read ... Still no reason for that read from her. In fact, last it looked like she was more focused on Ohla and FA according to her, who to look at when he flips way back in 340.

FTFY

Like seriously ... How the fuck are you guys saying this is town?! This shit goes well beyond anti town play.

Reads change? Especially when players change so often.

[ShockZephyr]

My thoughts on what seem to be the top lynch candidates:

Well this also should possibly be a red flag for everyone. According to Shock, she either doesn't actually have thoughts on my slot ... which is strange, me being her number one scum read ... Or she doesn't consider me a top lynch candidate ... Also weird seeing as I'm her number one scum read.

But no, I guess I'll continue just being the paranoid guy in the corner.

Yes but no one is talking about lynching you. That was my thoughts on those who are popular lynch candidates.

[ShockZephyr]

My thoughts on what seem to be the top lynch candidates:

Well this also should possibly be a red flag for everyone. According to Shock, she either doesn't actually have thoughts on my slot ... which is strange, me being her number one scum read ... Or she doesn't consider me a top lynch candidate ... Also weird seeing as I'm her number one scum read.

But no, I guess I'll continue just being the paranoid guy in the corner.

Yes but no one is talking about lynching you. That was my thoughts on those who are popular lynch candidates.

He has more votes than anyone else at the moment. Why do you think he isn't a popular lynch candidate?

He does but no one was talking about him as a candidate. I was trying to make a relevant addition to the debate and not just drone on about Aphix. How is that suspicious?

[ShockZephyr]

It seems like you don't really know what to do besides attack back when another player is suspicious of you.

Yeah pretty much, I'm pretty terrible at town play

[ShockZephyr]

Plus, I was gone all last night having a good time bc I've got a life lel

[ShockZephyr]

@EE, what is dota? and how did you know FA was a fan of it?

First question= Google
Second= possibly relevant, but most likely not.

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Aphix

[ShockZephyr]

VOTE: Aphix

I'm glad you are still sheeping EE with a naked vote and continuing not to participate in the game. Was there even a reason you signed up to play?

Lel. Pretty true
/replace out