Newbie 1721 | Lightning | Endgame

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VOTE: xSoniaNevermindx

Also I'm an SE. I have a few games under my belt. Hi.

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failvote and omgus

conf scum

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Hey everyone, this is my first game on MS, but i do have somewhat of a plan for how i am going to play.

VOTE: Zyf
Because their name is too short.

care to give us an idea about how you're going to play?

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Hey everyone, this is my first game on MS, but i do have somewhat of a plan for how i am going to play.

VOTE: Zyf
Because their name is too short.

"I have a plan for how I am going to play"
That's pretty much a given in any mafia game, except their are two main times where a pregame plan is extra important.
1) You're a PR
2) *You're scum*

The fact that you find it necessary to state you have a plan makes me think you put a notable chunk of effort in creating it and therefore are proud of it. But the thing is, scum needs full-on planning, while a PR can only go so far without the game started yet, due to a lower amount of information.

VOTE: mw
Also your nickname is shorter than mine so you're scummier than me since your nickname is even shorter

gross

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VOTE: Vote Transcend

Hello Hello everyone it's nice to meet you all and I am so ready for my first game on mafia scum now this isn't my first game on a forum mind you but it's gonna take me a bit to understand all of the lingo so whoops on that but I hope we can all have a great game
(Vote Transcend with me)

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... reviations
Ta-da.

Why Thank you very much this will come in hand and to Trans please it's not omgus I have a scumread on you that I can write 50 pages on if I wanted I can't wait to see how people scumhunt on here compared to others this has me giddy

i had a scumread on you before you entered this game.

nahdia was scum her first newbie game here.

impoetic was scum her first newbie game here.

i was town my first newbie game here, but i'm a male figure. the aforementioned figures are female just like yourself.

ur fukt bro.

gg.

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it goes without saying, myself and sonia know each other from another website and against all odds got in the same newbie game with each other when she was joining as newbie, and I as SE.

ha.

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I'll just say to avoid embarrassment, I lost both my newbie games

I lost fire and ice mafia.

I won carbon-14.

And I'm in some ongoing games right now. If you REALLY want to see the games I completed, you can just view my profile and recent topics b/c I'm too lazy to dig them out.

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i'm a rude dude.

but seriously. if you wanna know so badly you can just dig through my topics and read.

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i honestly think i have a unique play style that varies from game to game. people that have played with me on the website would probably tell you that i'm not the typical MSer.

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no

when did i say zyf would flip 100% scum

i just said one of his posts was yucky

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lmfao no i was alluding to sonia and we know each other from another website, so that wasn't serious at all. (you know, given that it was in the RVS stage).

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i'll give you botd that you're slow at picking up context, because i'm the same way sometimes. although fmpov i thought it was pretty clear cut who i was talking to, and my intentions as well.

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there's 3 SE's. how come you chose performer over me or cheet?

that's the second weird vote you've made dude.

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lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hahahahahahahahaha

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Oh right cheet who's your townread
witholding (or is it withholding, I don't even know any more because fuck autocorrect i turned it off) information is generally bad for town.

PEdit-Because you guys are already talking?
I did this last game too. Vote the experienced people who aren't talking yet.

fair nuff

but fypov the vote you made on MW looked somewhat legitimate

i could be misreading the context, but I think you genuinely thought his post deserved a vote for non RVS reasons

how come you evaded that vote to pursue another rvs vote?

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fmpov*

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btw sonia every 25 posts we get a new page, and the opening post is post #0.

so every increment of 25 minus 1 is the end of a page. (24, 49, 74...)

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i'd be one to disagree that tone doesn't exist in this game.

most of the votes aren't legit, as we're in the RVS (random voting stage) where people throw random votes around to garner reactions and get the game flowing.

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okay... so what're you gonna do?

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alright map i look forward to you posting your thoughts on other players posts or behavior.

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VOTE: Vote Transcend

Hello Hello everyone it's nice to meet you all and I am so ready for my first game on mafia scum now this isn't my first game on a forum mind you but it's gonna take me a bit to understand all of the lingo so whoops on that but I hope we can all have a great game
(Vote Transcend with me)

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... reviations
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Why Thank you very much this will come in hand and to Trans please it's not omgus I have a scumread on you that I can write 50 pages on if I wanted I can't wait to see how people scumhunt on here compared to others this has me giddy

i had a scumread on you before you entered this game.

nahdia was scum her first newbie game here.

impoetic was scum her first newbie game here.

i was town my first newbie game here, but i'm a male figure. the aforementioned figures are female just like yourself.

ur fukt bro.

gg.

I feel like this is confbias...? are you saying that every female's first game means they are scum? ...

it's a joke, dude

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me and sonia know nahdia/impoetic from another site, so it's not confbias.

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3 bad votes from this slot and 3 pages into the game

sorry sonia, but i must digress

VOTE: Zyf

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what rules

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Not feeling the map wagon

Zyf said he was pr or scum. I don't want him having pressure when he's very weakly softed pr.

Also Zyf is a better vote for now imo.

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UNVOTE:

Will post more after work.

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rip froog

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[ uv ] [ / uv ]

to unvote

no spaces.

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im trying my hardest to understand that table

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that's pretty dope, dude.

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was just me being an idiot. i thought it was kinda weird, you had some what of a fos on map, then evaded it sorta to make another somewhat awkward rvs vote.

however, i liked the reasoning you gave.

as for the third vote, i personally think sonia is town (you can green her for me) so it was just seeing my townread getting voted by someone else.

but i'm ambivalent now, as i've removed my vote.

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imo do a chart once every page or so.

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if the page ends faster then post it on the new page.

if one day has gone by and then a page hasn't gone by, then i suppose you could get aawy with posting another on the same page.

whichever one ends first seems suitable.

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Ahhhhh so many walls of text.

I'm off of work the next two days so I'll evaluate everything then.

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Here's a few games from me

https://epicmafia.com/game/5201231/review < me as mafia

https://epicmafia.com/game/5195069/review <me as town

if you want a forum one of me here https://epicmafia.com/topic/74478 (I'm Claire as my real name is Claire)

Shameless self whore, but I'm matt in that game and hammered the mafia d1 without a claim. >:)

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Die <3

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guys i caught up

don't really feel like walling

just gonna give a reads list

1. Transcend
2. xSoniaNeverMindx (Sonia has an interesting play style but I've played with her quite a few times, and her reactions to the votes on her and the reads she made all look genuine and not forced.)
3. Map Wolf (Fits the basic archetype of noob town imo. Looks like he is genuinely trying to figure out the game)

4. Zyf ( I honestly can't be bothered to explain this one but I'm gonna go ahead and say he's town)
5. Drixx (Taking a bit of a gamble and saying we got a town IC this time as opposed to a mafia one.)
6. Gyrlander (Tonal townread honestly)

. 7. Smiles (I kinda null read him right now. His short but simple posts seem concise and genuine, but I don't like the reads he concluded with.)

8. Performer (All his votes have been pretty yucky. I don't think his scumhunting is genuine. The questions he's asked and the content he's made doesn't seem like genuine town trying to figure out the game.)
9. Cheetory (I've scumread this slot pretty much the whole game. He's made a bunch of non-committal pushes. First on Map Wolf. That bw went nowhere. And the initial reasons he voted him were shitty. Then he went to Sonia. My god that push was legitimately one of the worst I've seen. Again, when that push failed, he evaded it to pursue a Gyrlander lynch??? This looks like advanced scum taking advantage of noob town.)

Long story short, Gun to my head Cheetory and Performer are mafia. I don't really fos anyone else.

VOTE: Performer

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Also I just L-1'd performer lol

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Plot, can you remove the dot that's right before the 7 plz

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map and sonia are interchangeable as well as drixx and gyrlander.

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oops i didn't see zyf vote gyrlander

come baaaaack

sonia, wolf you're welcome to join me

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Uncertain

Flubber who is he?

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no

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cool

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yep

i mean you stooped to making a microsoft paint drawing about sonia.

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joke or not, both pushes you made felt incredibly fabricated.

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gross

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hey zyf how does it feel that both of your top foses are being lynched right now?

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no like, do you think that it's a mafia vs. mafia cross in perf/gyr

or do you scumread both but think you screwed up on one of your reads and are trying to properly assess which one you botched

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Cheet is pretty much null, Performer I guess null-scum and Smiles scum. Gut read.

Vote Smiles

no.

put your vote back on performer.

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does it look like i give a fuck what you want?

you're the one getting lynched not me.

do what i say or i'll just blow the ml on you.

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then die. i just need protective role on me so others can do my bidding.

VOTE: gyrlander

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VOTE: Performer

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it's not optimal to split the vote.

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well like, in your position, it's not optimal to split the vote.

if i wanted smiles lynched i could push for him, but you being the person in question you kinda have to do the bidding of others because they decide your fate.

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she/he idk is a tonal townread

so she's probably town

since i'm hardly wrong

i mean i can be sometimes

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zyf just hammer lol

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zyf gyrlander is noob town performer is obvscum just hammer performer do i have to fucking long post about why performer is scum lol

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every game is my game.

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map just hammer, i give you permission

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i don't actually give a fuck that you sr me now lol

because performer is still gonna get lynched

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do it now, don't overthink it.

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i just want information and i can't tell you how many times the lynch goes on my fos and then it goes away due to people overthinking.

i like getting my way.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

there's all my games.

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fire n ice mafia

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however i'd take that one with a grain of salt because it was multiball

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oh and i subbed into that game and my partner got lynched d1 so i was by myself. it was basically being a serial killer lmfao.

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part of my play involves using intimidation to get what i want

i was never gonna actually let gyrlander get lynched.

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i feel like i was mildly aggressive when alban got to L-1 but maybe i wasn't.

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As of right now. I will hammer today (How do you make a countdown?) 19:00CEST (3 hours).

that sounds great

hey let's pretend 3 hours have past and you just hammer now lol

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i really just want you to hammer now before people come on and unvote, then we have to wait even LONGER for scum to be hammered. lol

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like.......... you fosed him at one point

and map wolf foses him.

literally no one thinks he's town.

if he's town, we have shit to work with.

if he's mafia then we have 2 mislynches still.

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then maybe i'll consider smilesslot as scum but he's getting subbed out.

i just don't want the votes to go away is all.

off topic: how do you do the multiple color thing lmfao

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fair nuff.

pedit: i know how to make colored text, but i don't know how to make multiple colors like plotinus has hahaha

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Amazing.

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meh

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hi nahdia

map can you rope performer already lol

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thanks for getting me back on my feet honestly. i do think you have a decent case on gyrlander now.

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i'll like take some time to myself to think about this.

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but like it's to be expected that newb town aren't going to be able to explain themselves very well. i honestly honestly think gyr's reactions are genuine. and the actions they've taken read legit albeit in a way nonsensical?

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oh?

pedit: oh.

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disclaimer: sorry to all for rushing a lynch, but i get super eager to vote mafia and find out information. it won't happen again this game.

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yeah i have lots of townreads as well, and my only reason to tr Gyr was based on tone. and he was 6/9 on my first list.

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@trans-if i'm ever in a game with you again i WILL push you for it

fair nuff

still think map's town just with bad reads. i think he's genuinely trying.

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i hope you feel better

but damn that post was scummy as fuck.

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Plotinus is a god honestly.

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I would have agreed with you up until these last couple pages, honestly... he's seriously reminding me of my first game back on EM with... I think it was Jaleb hosting?

don't remember how you played in that game

although i think i remember townreading you pretty hard and being wrong.

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i honestly just looked at map's posts and they don't look scummy to me

however sometimes i'm wrong

but sometimes i'm right

pedit: rings a bell now. not sure how that correlates but whatever.

ppedit: does it look like i'm voting?

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osi is other side interaction?

why do you think me/nahd are ssi

i don't really understand those reads

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And who knows. Maybe some day I'll be halfway decent at scumhunting in forum mafia. It's honestly so much easier in Javamafia tho imo.

depends on the table.

if the table is stacked it can be hard.

if table is full of trolls/banned users it can also be hard.

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the thing about osi/ssi reads is that i think if those WERE to be made they should be made after we gain a flip.

and even then, some scum (i'm included in this) are very good at forcing interactions with others.

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fair nuff

maybe it's just cause we know each other.

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ok

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in my opinion they don't necessarily hurt... but i've never found them super helpful.

but others have so, more power to them.

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i suppose. but i mean sometimes information isn't useful to me. but i guess you're right i guess.

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Man performer has mad balls to filler while at L-2. Lol

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Drixx which scenario do you think it is in terms of Performer/Gyrlander?

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1.) The scum are happy with the wagons and thus see no reason to really do anything, contributing to the slowdown.

2.) One (or if we're ludicrously lucky both) wagon is on scum, and they're hoping to ride it out and that town will get frustrated with the slowdown and move on.

These two scenarios.

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hopefully we aren't shit lmfao

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i mean, yeah, that would be ideal

but i doubt it

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can you do something besides filler.... i understand the game is kinda stale but given that your past 10 posts have been filler it's kinda pissing me off.

and don't worry, i know filler is NAI. it's just annoying rn.

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sounds like town tone over scum tone but i've sorta evaded that read after reading cases on them.

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souna pls

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yayyyy sonia obvtowning the game up again..

like i said before, performer's filler isn't alignment indicative to me. just an observation i felt like pointing out.

i'm not so sure we have a town IC anymore tho.

we like just need some momentum on something. at this point i'd probably rope anyone besides map, sonia, zyf, transcend.

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yeah honestly maybe this will pick up activity over the weekend buti t's so fucking stale and a flip of any kind will give information.

i'll even the playing field for a bit i guess

VOTE: Performer

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well i'd explain my read on you more but

1. i don't feel like it
2. if i were to vote you it would be a vanity wagon at this point
3. maybe i'm just wrong and dumb lol

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ii didn't do anything scummy

v yeah. i think i was even more lynch happy on alpacaalpaca in my most recent little italy game (scumflip). i'm sorta ambivalent now.

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669 - it was mostly gut

670- definitely on other websites. probably not on this one. or i was lynch happy, but the lynch i wanted didn't get enough momentum. i.e. ranger in my second newbie game.

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Might be a slip that he's saying citizen?
Eh.

don't like this observation.

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i honestly had a dream that performer and cheetory were mafia in this game. like my half-assed initial reads were right.

lol.....

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why are you chainsawing his lynch so much

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i don't feel town!performer

but i'm also bad

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if perf flips scum nahdia is probably town

i thought drixx's vote on performer was pretty good, but now he's evaded that. and is sorta coastlining.

still think gyr's gonna be a greenflip.

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and the arguments about her slipping based on using the word "citizen" as opposed to "vt", "vanilla townie" or anything of the likes are shitty.

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feeling Drixx/Performer right now as mafia due to the distancing. However Cheetory's read on the word citizen being a slip is kinda really shitty. However, Drixx looks like scum for expanding upon it a bit, and being a bit neutral towards both of these lynches.

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UNVOTE:

hold on i am tempted to give nahdia botd here.

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i just iso'd drixx. i definitelty don't townlean him anymore.

idk man this game is really hard and i feel it would be a lot easier with a flip of some kind.

mw and sonia are still pretty town i believe.

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Nahdia is vanity and will probably be obvious town if Performer flips scum.

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anyways.

l-1

ing this slot again.

i firmly believe that gyr is more likely to flip town over performer.

and performer's roping will give us more information than gyr's.

i feel like gyr is a scapegoat lynch that scum are using to coast through a day.

with all this said.

VOTE: Performer

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just say vt then

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cheet i bet your heart will be in the game once we get a flip

and i'm willing to flip drixx with you

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in fact why not spice up the game a bit

VOTE: drixx

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lol at me getting crossed out twice

what an indecisive fuck i am

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but you're on the same page as me that Gyr is probably VT VI yes?

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so give me your lynch preference order with the players performer, drixx, gyrlander from most to least.

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yea i'm coming across drixxscum myself as indicated by my vote.

still p sure gyr is scummy town.

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i assume that me hammering performer would be a scumclaim on my behalf

but my god it's so tempting just to rope him and get information.

but i won't do it lol.

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well, gyrlander has basically claimed VT.

so i guess we could get a claim from performer?

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Performer Jun 21, 07:39am Jul 01, 10:33am 0 days 20 hours 51

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fuck me.

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Lord in Heaven give me the strength to not quickhammer this man

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i honestly am starting to not understand why nahdia is white-knighting performer so much, but not doing much to save him, or perhaps, get someone else roped.

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but like

why aren't you trying to shift more momentum towards gyrlander if you think gyrlander is less likely to be a mislynch than performer.

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anyway. gyr hasn't said anything at all which annoys me but it can't be helped. Transcend repeatedly accusing Performer of filling wigs me out. feels like lowkey discrediting, even if he's not 100% wrong. What I liked about Performer's catchup was that he didn't instantly townread me for derailing his wagon. He has some caution. idk, my experience with the guy is he's stingy with his townreads and this fits that bill.

i've tried.

This is your only attempt at piling votes on Gyrlander since he came back. You haven't tried really hard to save your town read or even get your scum read roped.

VOTE: Nahdia

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It's not the lack of investment it's more that you're shaming us for voting a certain way and not having much to say about the slot you want to lynch.

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Performer where the fuck are you honestly?

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fair nuff

i should've just hammered.

gyr is scummy town and just gonna get mislynched as vt.

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nahdia vote is vain

VOTE: Performer

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if i hammer will you be my best friend?

Are you having doubts, dearest Nahdia? Because 2 days ago, you were not willing to lynch this slot at all.

fair nuff

i should've just hammered.

gyr is scummy town and just gonna get mislynched as vt.

what's the difference between scummy town and apparent scum that's actually participating in discussion?

It's mostly gut here dude. From experience, I've learned I have a pretty good gut in this game.

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yeah i only voted him to put him in the l-1.

cheet my sr on you has slightly dissipated.

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Hi

What's up

Is performer dead yet lol

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so basically cheeto hammers

PERFORMER ROLECLAIM IF YOU COME ACROSS THIS GAME

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@mod Drixx is voting Gyrlander, not Gyrlander voting Gyrlander

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Feeling somewhat better about my Performer/Drixx theory but let's see where the wind takes us

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Hi.

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At work.

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Can someone finish off performer

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Nahdia won't get enough momentum.

Just kill performer.

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no offense drixx

but is it possible for you to make a post without it being a giant wall of text

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your avatar is a dog

and i want to lynch you

UNVOTE: ploben

convince me not to lynch you.

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this is your chance to change my mind on your slot. i'm giving you benefit of the doubt since you are a dog.

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in the mean time. vanity wagon but this slot deserves more attention than it's gotten.

VOTE: Drixx

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LMFAO

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ye if memory serves correctly, i fosed zyf really fast this game. i changed my mind just as fast.

not sure why you planted a vote off of 5 pages of content in a 39 page game.

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yo map and gyrlander i'm willing to throw you a bone on this one since we have more time.

VOTE: Nahdia

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Anyways I'm liking ploben already and I'm starting to think I was horribly, horribly wrong about Performer.

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Perf was scummy (possibly due to being busy possibly not)

Ploben isn't

but maybe it's the dog

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but maybe it's the dog

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don't green him what the fuck yellow him at best

you know what


green zyf red nahdia green sonia green wolf red drixx yellow the rest.

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let's lynch "nat"

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but actually ploben is kinda scumming a bit and you can red him again

@zyf

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because gyr's a scummy slot. but they're probably scummy town. but i'm the only one who sees it like this. others' opinions on one person will not alter mine.

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i have explained.

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VOTE: ploben

those are deliberately bullshat reads

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391 through 399: Note this interaction. I have a feeling this is not TvS. I think Transcend and Gyr are of same alignment.

Please tell me with a straight face that this post has less bullshit than a dairy farm in it.

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HOLD IT RIGHT THERE BUSTER

you fos Gyr

but you said me and him are on the same team.

And........ you're saying Cheetory maf #2.


Am I the only one noticing inconsistency here?

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I WAS NOT EVEN WRONG ABOUT PERF!SCUM

KILL IT

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that's not what i'm saying.

you have a read stating that i'm either town or mafia with gyr.

and you're not committing to it too much.

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and why the fuck would i be town for the interactions with gyr?

i could be scum chainsawing town.

your reads make no sense in the first place, never mind that you're inconsistent with them.

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i have 3 scumreads as well. i ain't calling you scummy for having 3 scumreads.

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The Transcend/Sonia interactions are interesting.

It would be foolish to just throw them away and disregard but it would be a great ploy if it was 1 town 1 mafia in that group.

It's like auto buddying without the suspicion.

Also, I town read Sonia and have zero feeling at this point that Transcend is mafia, so all just moot at this point.

336:

L-1 vote. Clearly following the game. Does not state L-1

States L-1 almost an hour later. This doesn't add up with the most recent read of Zyf following and solving the game. I am torn with my Zyf read.

338: Unvote because of L-1? If you're scum reading a player this is why you vote, to pressure and eventually get a claim if you think you have found scum.

Are you unvoting your scum buddy Cheet?

360: So this.

391 through 399:

Note this interaction. I have a feeling this is not TvS. I think Transcend and Gyr are of same alignment.

431:

Transcend loved the table at first but as soon as he starts to get scum read...

483: Town Nahdia. Agree with the Gyr read.

Scum reading: Cheet, Gyr.

Keeping my eye on: Zyf, Transcend (super agro against my slot)

Hmm what's a good color to use to denote bullshit? We'll go this one.

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nah your inconsistency lies in you dumping your ssi read of me/gyrlander. you say if i'm town then gyr's town. if i'm scum, gyr's scum. and vice versa. you're throwing cheet in the line of fire and deliberately ignoring the SSI read you were perplexed enough to utterly bullshit in the first place.

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cheetory do you regret not hammering perfslot when you had a chance?

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Scum Pool: Gyr, Cheet, Trans.

that's a fair pool i guess

now if only your foses on all 3 of us weren't composed of absolute bullshit reasons

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{MW, Sonia}
{Zyf}
{Cheetory, Gyrlander}
{Nahdia, Drixx}
{Ploben}

Cheetory has improved in my books quite a bit. Zyf isn't quite top tier due to his weird posts in the beginning that I still haven't quite gotten over. I don't see Nahdia/Ploben scum team so I'm just putting the slot I currently fos more in the bottom tier. Drixx is probably scum with Nahdia or ploben. Figuring out who is part of the process though.

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but i don't wanna flip gyrlander.

i'd rather flip ploben.

or if we want to gamble nahdia or drixx.

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Cheeto: Can you vote ploben please?

Gyrlander: Can you please switch to ploben?

Map Wolf: Can vote vote ploben please?

xSoniaNeverMindx: Can you vote ploben please?

I'd ask the 4 people voting Gyrlander to switch, but they seem confident in plob!town. I'm just almost certain Gyr's gonna be a greenflip, or I'm a fucking idiot.

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I'm feeling plob + Drixx rn for a few reasons

1. I am starting to doubt that Nahdia would chainsaw this slot super hard at first then change their tone as scum.

2. Drixx voted Performer, for a really good reason honestly. Then he evaded that read to pursue what I believe is the easy scapegoat mislynch on Gyrlander. It reads like massive distancing to me.

3. There may or may not have been forced interactions b/w the two I'll get back to you on that one.

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My green reads right now are Map, Sonia, and Zyf. Last one is a BIT of a gamble, but I'm going to safely green him for now.

Gyrlander: Although he has been scummy as fuck, I admit, he has. I don't see this behavior coming from him as mafia. I think he's just carefree town. I display these behavioral acts when I get lynched as town. I feel that there's two slots that are mafia voting him at this current moment. Which would be alphabetically: Drixx, Nahdia, ploben, Zyf.

As aforementioned, I'm greening Zyf for now.

But I'm sure you guys are wondering what's happened with my scumread on Cheeto that I had a few pages back.

It's disintegrated.

I felt that initially he was pursuing a bunch of opportunistic bw's. And I just don't think I like his play style. His content and reactions as of recently sound very genuine and it sounds like he's genuinely trying to solve the game. I don't think he's putting up an act. Plus I think scum manipulated his initial vote on Gyrlander as momentum to pursue an easy mislynch.

So with all this said, I really think Gyrlander is a mislynch that holds two scum on it, and lynching him would give scum an advantage.

I really, really, really, would rather lynch ploben > Gyrlander today because I feel there's a significantly better chance of ploben flipping scum than Gyrlander and I want TOWN to have the advantage, not mafia.

I really, really, really, don't want anyone to hammer Gyrlander yet. I might make a final case on plobenslot and Drixx being a team in the next couple of days.

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Nahdia: Who do / did you townread more? Performer or ploben? Or are they about the same.

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Oh and if Gyr flips scum I'll openly admit the next day that I'm the biggest idiot on MS and suck the dongs of ploben/Nahdia only to most likely end up eating rope.

I hope and don't think the above scenario will happen. Gyrlander's BW feels more scum motivated than anything.

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Towny my ass.

You realize you >>>>STILL<<<< have not explained why performer's scummy
Even tho I've asked you like 5 times

Also no one else has explained why performer is scummier.

Because no one wants to reveal you the secret that everyone else knows.

Even if Gyr is town, do you really want this kind of player past D1?

Not I.

VOTE: Gyrlander

L-1

Ladies and gentlemen.

This vote was scummy as fuck.

And the part in red alludes to him knowing he's gonna flip town.

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Also, let it be known that I'm fairly good at reading newbie slots. This applies to both here and everywhere else I play mafia. Sonia can confirm this.

To prove this:

In my second Newbie game I had karnos and Icy pegged as town and it was both of their first games. I did misread snoe but snoe played phenomenally and wasn't hard fos-ed by anyone. Snoe wasn't every anywhere near my strongest townread either.

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Anyways here's the game I'm referencing. Feel free to read it or not. Ignore me acting like an idiot when I'm getting lynched and recognize the good reads I made that game. But I really want you guys to trust me here with my reads.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=65727

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Anyways. Gyr's meltdown this game is much less extreme than mine in that game. I still read his meltdown as a town meltdown.

I posted that game so you can read that town can have incredibly awful reactions to being lynched, and that my reads are pretty good, especially on new players.

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i don't like that philosophy but it's probably because i'm the only one who townreads this slot.

lemme be blunt

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO MISLYNCH

if i haven't gotten that point across

gyrlander is perfectly capable of towntelling to get all the suspicion off of him in a later portion of the game.

drixx is wrong imo. lynching someone on the principle of fosing them throughout the rest of the game is lazy and inaccurate and it furthermore validates my theory of gyrlander being a scapegoat lynch imo.

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anyways in the flavourish newbie game i posted.

i was very deliberately the scum's scapegoat lynch d1. accountant and karnos would not get off my d*ck that game and pops posted about 5 times with his vote planted on me. easy scapegoat lynch.

day 2, killthestory gets scapegoat lynched by ranger and snoe for being rude to karnos within a matter of 48 hours.

day 3 accountant got blitzed, not really a scapegoat lynch, there's not really any scapegoat lynch on lylo honestly.

the point of all this is to say that scum shouldn't get ANY scapegoat lynches

i'm trying to get EVERYONE to recognize that the gyrlander lynch feels like a scapegoat lynch and ANY mislynch gives scum an advantage.

anyways the goal of the game is to give scum a trip to the Dead PT and not a trip to the next day. I really hope some people agree with me on my scapegoat logic because everyone else reds this slot.

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technically it was d4 when accountant got blitzed since the town nl'd for reasons unbeknownst to me the day before when bp got hit.

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i'm honestly spilling my heart out, i'm gonna fall asleep, get ignored, see someone hammer, and see gyrlander flip vt.

i really hope i'm heard out with my logic here.

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fuck off

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ploben honestly you're even more scummy than Performer

I'm feeling very fucking stupid for not lynching your slot when I had hammer

Even if it would've been treated as a "scum-claim".

I had so much momentum on your slot, now I have none.

Never seizing the opportunity to hammer a slot when I fos them again.

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Anyways ploben be happy that you're getting your scapegoat lynch

Be happy that protective role is going to go on the IC who is scum over me who is blatant town when this slot flips town.

Be happy that you're most likely gonna get another scapegoat lynch after NKing me.

Be happy that most likely a town is going to misvote in LYLO and you and Drixx are going to be able to blitz them.

Be happy dude. You're winning the game.

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Hey mod nice pics. Can one of those bolts strike ploben down? (Only in this game, I don't actually want ploben to be struck by lightning.)

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Don't associate me with you.

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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Cheet I just gotta ask, I know you came across Gyr!scum in the past. What do you think about my scapegoat logic on him? Has that altered your read on him a bit?

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I'd also really appreciate if someone voting the Gyrlander slot would unvote after I made a massive ass case that defends him. I would hate to

1. Make a massive case on Gyr!Town
2. Have him be lynched
3. Be NKed

Before people have the chance to put in their minds my logic.

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Transcend, Map Wolf and Zyf are all really likely town.
Sonia was really likely town and hopefully still is and is just busy/intimidated.
Smiles was relatively town and Nahdia's catch-up was pretty town and her play now is hopefully just demotivated town.

ploben and Drixx is the most likely combination from there.
And even if I'm wrong about that mix, ploben's thought processes are surface level and his responses to being pushed are cheeky to a degree that not even Gyrlander has matched.
Gyrlander has reads and is pushing them in a way that feels like it could plausibly be coming from town and I'm really struggling to see why scumGyrlander [unless he's secretly some kind of alt instead of a new player to the site.. [which would be really uncool of him]] would push Nahdia as his strongest scumread otherwise. Open to being called wrong on this if people want to explain why.

ploben just feels like he's swinging his arms around and I don't believe a single reason he's given for a read.

P-Edit: It's possible? I don't think I've ever tried to parse a game by trying to figure out who scum is scapegoating though q.q

wher ehave you been all my life <3

this is your formal invitation to be power town with me. do you accept?

[] yes
[] no
[] maybe
[] applesauce

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ploben just feels like he's swinging his arms around and I don't believe a single reason he's given for a read.

Riiiight.

ISO Transcend and tell me with a straight face he's been a bedrock of stability in his posts. You want to talk about swinging his arms/votes around?

Also, please quote me where I'm swinging my arms around.

ploben appealing to his scumread ladies and gentlemen.

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boy oh boy i sure hope these people unvote cheetory6 buddy ol' pal

i think we caught us a mr. mafia man

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i read ploben as town automatically in rocks when i skimmed that thread. i dont meta super hard on a regular basis, but that really help his case at all.