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Reverse the words GreenNope, you get NopeGreen.
Nope->Not
Green->Town
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In post 14, GreenNope wrote:there is seldom more than one vote (but we do have two votes on pkmsilver )@Green
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I agree with LQ's 34. ^
I don't like how quick GN was to change his stance after Thor pressured him.
Also agreeing with the townread on Poetic because she is actively analyzing and scum hunting, even in her first post.
Here is where I am right now.
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@GNIn post 42, GreenNope wrote: darnit didnt see the whole post and put my answer in your quotes
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In post 39, frog wrote:That might not be the case - the vote in LicketyQuickety's post is within a failed quotation. It might count, but it isn't deliberate.
I think we should ask the mod for clarification.In post 40, Thor665 wrote:I didn't say it was deliberate - I did say I believed it counted.
There is no rule about votes within failed quotes not counting last time I checked - if you know something I don't feel free to link me to it.
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@LQ @SilverIf I missed your answer, can you quote the post?
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I didn't really think that through. :p It was instinctive for me to ask the mod for clarification.In post 51, Thor665 wrote: By the time the mod shows up to answer we'll get a vote count which will also answer the question.
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It's not that he was hesitant or confused, but rather GN was like a chameleon in changing his stance after being pressured. It's like he wanted to blend in.In post 54, frog wrote: Nothing you've said here is wrong, but I'm wondering if you can't think of any other explanations for hesitancy and confusion on the first page of a Newbie game?-
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@LQ
When I read over the game, I tend to take notes. On GN's post's I made a note, but as I kept reading, you already posted something similar.In post 71, LicketyQuickety wrote:It looks more like they are trying to subtly discrediting people's points rather than Scum hunting. Dewy is just going along with what looks like it taking ground and looking busy. It looks like they are both trying to get Townie points by not actually Scum hunting.
I'm scum reading GN because he's to willing to change his beliefs when pressured. I'm not seeing what I'm randomly going along with on that or what points I'm discrediting.
In post 68 you said that GN was to careless to be scum. Can you elaborate on that?
@frog
What were you hoping to do?In post 57, frog wrote:I am hoping to do something with it.
@Thor
Why is that?In post 66, Thor665 wrote:Oh, you're right, I was presuming a sloppy read of the post thinking I had asked up not down, that makes it even weirder that he hopped in to field it.
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I was scum reading the person who was the most scummy.In post 77, LicketyQuickety wrote: Just because you take notes does not at all mean that you can't be Scum. What if GN is just too new to know any better? The point wasn't that you were providing the same reasons, but that you were jumping on something I don't personally consider to be terribly AI.
I agree with you on the fact that newbs are the easiest players to read because I have a harder time reading more experienced players.In post 77, LicketyQuickety wrote:Newb Town don't give a flying fuck what they look like - they haven't an inclination that what/how you appear as means anything at all. They are just trying to figure out this bran new game that they prolly don't have much experience playing and I think that isexactlywhat is going on with GN. Newbs are absolutely the easier people to read. I will adamantly disagree with anyone who thinks they are not.
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@frog
What did you get from challenging the wagon, what where you able to conclude from it?In post 78, frog wrote: Several things, really; by challenging the wagon I thought I'd see who was on it by genuine conviction and who was just trying to get towncred by adding pressure to an ostensibly scummy slot without contributing anything of their own. On the off chance that GreenNope becomes today's lynch and flips town, a few alternative points here and there prevents the mafia from furthering the line 'they were too scummy to be scum' on Day 2, which would be counter-productive for our understanding of what had happened.
I feel like you're being wishy-washy here. On one hand, you are saying that Thor is scummy in:In post 78, frog wrote: I also thought that Thor was laying an abnormally large number of traps that came from at best a selective reading of what the person they quote had been saying - examples include #37 with the phrase 'did you really not notice that?', where he appeared to imply that LicketyQuickety had deliberately left his potentially accidental vote in place, and #64, where he attacked LQ for not answering a question he hadn't asked them. By correcting (or defending, if you really want to call it that) I was hoping to see whether Thor would uphold or retract his statement, and also draw some attention to this. I'm a little suspicious of Thor because I feel like his baiting is unlikely to catch scum, being more likely to confuse the rest of us and distract from genuinely scummy behaviour, but at the same time he has been open.
However, on the other hand, you seem to be defending him in:In post 78, frog wrote: I also thought that Thor was laying an abnormally large number of traps that came from at best a selective reading of what the person they quote had been saying - examples include #37 with the phrase 'did you really not notice that?', where he appeared to imply that LicketyQuickety had deliberately left his potentially accidental vote in place, and #64, where he attacked LQ for not answering a question he hadn't asked them. By correcting (or defending, if you really want to call it that) I was hoping to see whether Thor would uphold or retract his statement, and also draw some attention to this. I'm a little suspicious of Thor because I feel like his baiting is unlikely to catch scum, being more likely to confuse the rest of us and distract from genuinely scummy behaviour...
What is your stance? Are you playing the best of both sides?In post 78, frog wrote:, but at the same time he has been open.-
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EBWOP (Stands for: edit by way of post. We typically use this because we aren't allowed to edit the post itself, so we make another post to correct the mistake.)In post 86, Dewy wrote: What did you get from challenging the wagon, whatwherewere you able to conclude from it?-
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@LQ
You seem to have meta in your responses to Thor to get him to realize that you are town. However, I don't think meta should be the only way to read someone, but because people can change their meta.-
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@Poetic
I had a hard time digesting the wall posts, but I'm pretty sure that LQ and Thor are scum reading each other?In post 109, Impoetic wrote: I think that was a "FYPOV" scenario and not Lickety asking to be lynched. I don't really SR either of you, but I feel like your tunnel-vision is a possible tactic as scum and I'd like to hear elaboration on Lickety's alleged townread on you(?).-
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@PoeticWhere's the naked vote coming from? Are you scumreading Hyped?
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@Poetic
This it a RVS vote?In post 115, Impoetic wrote:I'm hyped for season 2 of mr robot, so this guy's the guiser.
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@Poetic
I'm not sure I'm following your reasoning. Why does a GN+LQ scum team make sense?In post 123, Impoetic wrote:I guess the GreenNope/Lick team makes sense, but more because Lickety would turn on Green as maf with GN town here than anything else.
Also, I'm a she.
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@Thor
Why?In post 125, Thor665 wrote:
I soft town read him. He's probably in my top two current town reads.In post 123, Impoetic wrote:What do you think of Dewy? it seems like everyone but him has been considered despite his posts all being fairly low-key.
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@Poetic
How so? Examples?In post 131, Impoetic wrote:
I don't think your posts have been furthering discussion, for the most part.
I disagree with you on this one. My reads are based on how I'm sorting people, not other people are sorting other people.In post 131, Impoetic wrote:Your reads are fairly agreeable and blend in
This is also false. My questions are helping me to sort people.In post 131, Impoetic wrote:your questions don't seem like they lead anywhere.
Right now, I am at:
Townish:
Impoetic
Thor
LQ
frog
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@LQ
In 68, you read me as scum-lean. How did that change to town-lean?In post 132, LicketyQuickety wrote:We have surprisingly little info to work with at this stage of the game. We should have twice this amount of posts.
Reads:
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GreenNope
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Dewy
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Lis
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PKM
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Scum-slip?In post 139, Impoetic wrote:Town
Thor/Frog
Town Lean
LicketyQuickety
Null
Hyped/Lis/PKM
Null/Scum
GreenNope/Dewy
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In short: my reads list is the literal antithesis of yours.
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Sorry for the sudden dip in activity. IRL hit me really hard.
This is Round 1 of catch-up.
@Poetic
143/185 If you wanted pressure on me, why did you unvote?
158 Not sure if this was addressed to me, but I thought it was a genuine scum slip. / scum giving up.
Unvote
188 I don't think fake reads list is the best way to "diversift the dicussion" because it just sows confusion in town.
back to this:
VOTE: GreenNope
@Thor
146 I'm not particularly concerned with the read itself. I'm more concerned about the thought process behind it.
150 - Comments on Zyf's reads:
I wouldn't use being active as something that's alignment indicative because scum can be active too.
Some of the reasons you used to scum read LQ are some of the reasons why I would town read him. For example, in his argument of "go ahead and lynch me", I'm reading it as frustrated town. IMO scum would be less willing to be lynched.
@frog
153 I had a early townread on LQ from 34. Also see my comments to 150.
Re. to his read on me: How so? Examples? How were they deflectly?
@Silver
163 with 7 pages of discussion, why go back to RVS?
172 Why is GN town and Poetic scum?
@GN
197 What is Zyf right about? Thoughts on the discussion? What are your other reads?
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@ZyfWhat do you mean by dipped out?
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@Silver
Why does GN sound like town?In post 338, PkmSilver wrote:In post 336, Dewy wrote:@Silver
163 with 7 pages of discussion, why go back to RVS?
172 Why is GN town and Poetic scum?
GN sounds townie and Poetic, his reads all over the place, he is becoming hard to read. I will add more info into that when i re-read again
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Although that a possibility, Silver hasn't asked for clarification. (at least from the posts I've read.)In post 343, frog wrote:@everyone: is it seriously possible that PkmSilver still doesn't know what we're asking?
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@poetic
I'm not sure if it's a town slip if you scum read yourself. (whether fake or not)In post 182, Impoetic wrote:You sure aren't a robot because if you were one you'd have been among the people think I scumread myself xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
alright done being difficult. I think that was Zyf townslipping rather than scum!zyf picking something stupid to push on. Scum would see it for what it was, and probably wouldn't think it worth pushing on since it's easily confirmable as such; if anything, zyf would have to have been intentionally faking a townslip, but occam's razor and idk that's just how i see it. confbias=me-
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Oh my, is this a scum claim?In post 197, GreenNope wrote:Honestly, I think Zyf is right.-
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@GN
You do mean reads wise right?In post 197, GreenNope wrote:Honestly, I think Zyf is right.-
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@Zyf
What do you agree with him on?In post 210, Zyf wrote:i'm gonna have to agree with lickety here.-
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@LQ
IMO, this is NAI because from the way, I interpreted it, it wasn't really a wagon statement.In post 219, LicketyQuickety wrote:
1) there is no reason to say "agree or disagree" it looks like a Scum tactic to say this because it should be obvious that they are stating a read someone can agree or disagree with.
Not seeing how this is scum indicative because players can get reads at different times.In post 219, LicketyQuickety wrote: 2) on top of the fact that they said "agree or disagree" they are representing that they are strong in this read by saying that, which contradicts them saying they are "to townread Froggie."starting-
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@Poetic
Why is that?In post 224, Impoetic wrote:
personally I find null a bit uncomfortableIn post 223, Zyf wrote:After that interaction I think I'll place LQ comfortably in Null.-
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Hold on. You having a 100% town read on anyone is scum logic.In post 230, PkmSilver wrote: I think this line of you proves 100% that you are town.
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@Silver
Whaaaa...you never answer frog's question.In post 240, PkmSilver wrote:
No, I just happen to live in Calgary and it's stampede week (cowboy), made me remember of a woody meme I seen on memedroid (memes)In post 238, frog wrote:PkmSilver, are you scum?-
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EBWOPIn post 404, Dewy wrote:@Silver
Whaaaa...you neverIn post 240, PkmSilver wrote:
No, I just happen to live in Calgary and it's stampede week (cowboy), made me remember of a woody meme I seen on memedroid (memes)In post 238, frog wrote:PkmSilver, are you scum?answeranswered frog's question.-
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@Silver
Where is this coming from? Iirc you called poetic scum. Why did your read on her change?In post 261, PkmSilver wrote:These 2 are town ^^^^-
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My read on Silver is null-leaning scum. I didn't like the 100% town read.In post 407, LicketyQuickety wrote: Dewy what is you read on PKM? You are kinda waffling on that slot a lot.-
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Sorry, it's really late where I live. Reads as of 282. (5 more pages >.< )
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Thor
Poetic
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Forgot he was at L-1. My current read on him is null- leaning scum and I'd much rather have a GN lynch.In post 444, frog wrote:Dewy, if you scumread PkmSilver, what is your hesitation in asking for a claim?-
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What do you mean by blue? Blue as in VT?In post 460, Impoetic wrote:Wait, it's
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The whole of my last post was me attempting to snarkily reiterate myself about how PKM is obviously claiming blue and if he claimed PR it would be a scumslip so I probably shouldn't have said it in the first place but whatever, he wasn't about to come back and magically see the two posts where I pointed out that he said "Lynch me if you want" and he probably wasn't going to claim PR anyway because he is likely blue.
Not necessary. Scumslips can involve anything that's a scum claim.In post 460, Impoetic wrote:Scumslips usually involve logic, not wording. Even if I hadn't meant to say exactly what you asked about, it wouldn't be a scumslip!-
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These two statements kind of contradict each other.In post 473, Impoetic wrote:*WHEN* PKM flipsvillager.
And I don'tknowhe's villager, obviously, but that's my guess about his alignment at this point and it certainly seems to be his claim. ~_^-
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What about those interactions make them town?In post 313, PkmSilver wrote: Also many people have been calling me experienced but this is my first game IMO. I townread those two because the way they interact are really townie and I think that mafia wouldn't have interaction lines like that.-
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Still missing the question. Like what about those make them town/scum.In post 324, PkmSilver wrote:Alright let me re-read to tell you, my whereabouts on this read.
Started looking scum:
And she looked town here:In post 32, Impoetic wrote:In post 11, GreenNope wrote:...Wooper (WHO CAN USE ICE PUNCH, WHILE HAVING NO ARMS!)ice bodyslam
Honestly, I understand why someone would vote for them (RVS), but two is a tad bit suspicious, though it may be a coincidence.In my first game, the IC (who was town) joined bandwagon during RVS so it WOULDN'T be pointless. As you just said, 1 vote doesn't create pressure, so joining a bandwagon makes it better. There's no incentive for mafia to try to get someone lynched during RVS when they know it is RVS unless they're severely mistaken about the length of a normal day phase, imo. (I did try to argue that before so it looked like I was scumhunting, though, as mafia.)In post 14, GreenNope wrote:there is seldom more than one vote (but we do have two votes on pkmsilver )
I think your hesitation and brushing off your reads as coincidence is far more likely to be a scumtell, if any has been dropped at all on page 1.
I wrote that before seeing page 2, but there's nothing really to say about what's here. @Lick: Maybe if it continues, but so far, there was only one post and it was, if anything, helping discussion get started earlier.
VOTE: GreenNope
In post 123, Impoetic wrote:Frick. Sorry, I got this game ocnfused with the other one already. Yeah, I managed to forget that you were one of the primary people SRing GreenNope. Not counting RVS, was there a third player you voted that I've forgotten about too? u_u;
I said "tunnel" because the past few(?) pages have been primarily you two debating back and forth. That might not qualify as such, but it's what caused me to feel assured in using the word, at the time, along with getting the details of everything utterly mixed up. I'm sorry.
Somehow, despite reading all your posts, I haven't gotten the gist of your arguments.
Man, this is embarrassing. I guess I'll definitely be trying to reread some tonight. It just seems like a bunch of small thing you guys are getting on each others' cases about, from what I've seen. What do you think of Dewy? it seems like everyone but him has been considered despite his posts all being fairly low-key. I guess the GreenNope/Lick team makes sense, but more because Lickety would turn on Green as maf with GN town here than anything else.
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@SilverIn post 371, PkmSilver wrote:At first the way she was talking looked scummy to me, but after a while her way of talking was more townie-looking. I think that's the mostly way I was scumreading her.What about her talkingmake them scummy or townie?
You're dodging the questions and playing the novice card. Please answer the questions.In post 371, PkmSilver wrote:I'm trying dude, and I am still fairly new and you guys are having hard time against me, I know this is a wifom but if you must lynch me d1 you can. Anyways like Frog said? I believe I wouldn't last on LYLO.-
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It would be nice if silver came back to answer what we asked him.In post 494, Zyf wrote:Yes dewy we all agree
I just think pkm siteflaked so atp we're playing a D1 6 person game
Meaning we have a super high chance to ML
I'm not seeing the correlation between these.
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Hi Malakittens!
Update us with thoughts and reads when you catch up please.
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@ReedIn post 513, JaeReed wrote: Thor is...Thor. I'm going to have trouble reading him and I don't think my stream of consciousness posting will sit well with him either. His content seems pro-town but I do want more time to run over his posts as well.
These two statements kind of contradict each other. What is your read on Thor? Is it null or town?In post 513, JaeReed wrote:Thor - townish (2nd vote in RVS. usual theory aggression. null for him)
Why did you like it? Iirc, you scumread GN.In post 513, JaeReed wrote:LQ - townlean (no RVS, null)
pushes the idea of newbtown with GN, i liked this.
Examples? Not really following the scumread on poetic.In post 513, JaeReed wrote: impo - feels fencesitty even if her content doesn't seem it
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I interpreted it differently because I thought it was a genuine scum-slip where poetic forgot that she shouldn't be scumreading herself. It cleared up after she clarified it, so it was a misunderstanding on my part.In post 537, JaeReed wrote: Dewy pointing out your "scum-slip" pings me majorly. Generally scum like to justify their votes with scum-slips that aren't really slips, so that when someone flips town they can fall back on that. Zyf's reaction to it was better (especially since it was following Dewy pointing it out, so he's already influenced by that). Your list having you in the scum pile in context was meant to be an obvious chuck off at your reads not matching LQ's (since you went with the "my reads are the antithesis of yours" comment).
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I think the wagon on silver was mostly to pressure him to answer us, rather than to actually get him lynched.-
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Townish:
Zyf
Thor
LQ
Reed
frog
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Silver slot, GL (Doesn't help that they left questions unanswered.)
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@Zyf
I'm not sure what you mean by diffusing a wagon. Can you give examples?In post 569, Zyf wrote: Dewy-They diffuse a wagon with (reasonable) logic even though they were never even on it
How would you define a "real case"?In post 569, Zyf wrote:they ask a lot of questions, but they don't really take those responses to make any real cases.-
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@Poetic
This is pretty opportunistic. I'm curious with why you didn't vote for me until Zyf did; even though you said, "but had some TR on Dewy until recently".In post 574, Impoetic wrote:In fact, VOTE: Dewy. I was having the same qualms but had some TR on Dewy until recently and I just think it was probably stupid enough that this is a good vote
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