Newbie 1724 ~ Endgame

[Dewy]

Reverse the words GreenNope, you get NopeGreen.
Nope->Not
Green->Town
Not Town=Scum

VOTE: GreenNope

[Dewy]

@LQ @Green @Silver

No RVS?

[Dewy]

there is seldom more than one vote (but we do have two votes on pkmsilver )

@Green

Thoughts on the Silver wagon?

[Dewy]

I agree with LQ's 34. ^
I don't like how quick GN was to change his stance after Thor pressured him.
Also agreeing with the townread on Poetic because she is actively analyzing and scum hunting, even in her first post.


Here is where I am right now.

Townish:
Thor
Poetic
LQ

Scummy:
GN

[Dewy]

darnit didnt see the whole post and put my answer in your quotes

@GN
For future reference, you can use preview (it's next to submit) to check if you formatted the post correctly.

[Dewy]

That might not be the case - the vote in LicketyQuickety's post is within a failed quotation. It might count, but it isn't deliberate.

I didn't say it was deliberate - I did say I believed it counted.
There is no rule about votes within failed quotes not counting last time I checked - if you know something I don't feel free to link me to it.

I think we should ask the mod for clarification.

@Mod

Did LQ's vote on GN count?

[Dewy]

@LQ @Silver

@LQ @Green @Silver

No RVS?

If I missed your answer, can you quote the post?

[Dewy]

By the time the mod shows up to answer we'll get a vote count which will also answer the question.

I didn't really think that through. :p It was instinctive for me to ask the mod for clarification.

Well, the mod did answer the question with the vote count.

[Dewy]

Nothing you've said here is wrong, but I'm wondering if you can't think of any other explanations for hesitancy and confusion on the first page of a Newbie game?

It's not that he was hesitant or confused, but rather GN was like a chameleon in changing his stance after being pressured. It's like he wanted to blend in.

[Dewy]

@LQ

It looks more like they are trying to subtly discrediting people's points rather than Scum hunting. Dewy is just going along with what looks like it taking ground and looking busy. It looks like they are both trying to get Townie points by not actually Scum hunting.

When I read over the game, I tend to take notes. On GN's post's I made a note, but as I kept reading, you already posted something similar.
I'm scum reading GN because he's to willing to change his beliefs when pressured. I'm not seeing what I'm randomly going along with on that or what points I'm discrediting.

In post 68 you said that GN was to careless to be scum. Can you elaborate on that?

@frog

I am hoping to do something with it.

What were you hoping to do?

@Thor

Oh, you're right, I was presuming a sloppy read of the post thinking I had asked up not down, that makes it even weirder that he hopped in to field it.
He can move to the scum pool with Green, especially if Green flips scum.

Why is that?

[Dewy]

Just because you take notes does not at all mean that you can't be Scum. What if GN is just too new to know any better? The point wasn't that you were providing the same reasons, but that you were jumping on something I don't personally consider to be terribly AI.

I was scum reading the person who was the most scummy.

Newb Town don't give a flying fuck what they look like - they haven't an inclination that what/how you appear as means anything at all. They are just trying to figure out this bran new game that they prolly don't have much experience playing and I think that is

exactly

what is going on with GN. Newbs are absolutely the easier people to read. I will adamantly disagree with anyone who thinks they are not.

I agree with you on the fact that newbs are the easiest players to read because I have a harder time reading more experienced players.
On the point where you said that newbs don't really care about what they look like, it's not just newbtown that shouldn't care much about their image. Town's job is to scumhunt, not to care about their image. The only people worried about their image is scum.

[Dewy]

@frog

Several things, really; by challenging the wagon I thought I'd see who was on it by genuine conviction and who was just trying to get towncred by adding pressure to an ostensibly scummy slot without contributing anything of their own. On the off chance that GreenNope becomes today's lynch and flips town, a few alternative points here and there prevents the mafia from furthering the line 'they were too scummy to be scum' on Day 2, which would be counter-productive for our understanding of what had happened.

What did you get from challenging the wagon, what where you able to conclude from it?

I also thought that Thor was laying an abnormally large number of traps that came from at best a selective reading of what the person they quote had been saying - examples include #37 with the phrase 'did you really not notice that?', where he appeared to imply that LicketyQuickety had deliberately left his potentially accidental vote in place, and #64, where he attacked LQ for not answering a question he hadn't asked them. By correcting (or defending, if you really want to call it that) I was hoping to see whether Thor would uphold or retract his statement, and also draw some attention to this. I'm a little suspicious of Thor because I feel like his baiting is unlikely to catch scum, being more likely to confuse the rest of us and distract from genuinely scummy behaviour, but at the same time he has been open.

I feel like you're being wishy-washy here. On one hand, you are saying that Thor is scummy in:

I also thought that Thor was laying an abnormally large number of traps that came from at best a selective reading of what the person they quote had been saying - examples include #37 with the phrase 'did you really not notice that?', where he appeared to imply that LicketyQuickety had deliberately left his potentially accidental vote in place, and #64, where he attacked LQ for not answering a question he hadn't asked them. By correcting (or defending, if you really want to call it that) I was hoping to see whether Thor would uphold or retract his statement, and also draw some attention to this. I'm a little suspicious of Thor because I feel like his baiting is unlikely to catch scum, being more likely to confuse the rest of us and distract from genuinely scummy behaviour...

However, on the other hand, you seem to be defending him in:

, but at the same time he has been open.

What is your stance? Are you playing the best of both sides?

[Dewy]

I forgot to include this, but 85 was to LQ.

[Dewy]

What did you get from challenging the wagon, what

where

were you able to conclude from it?

EBWOP (Stands for: edit by way of post. We typically use this because we aren't allowed to edit the post itself, so we make another post to correct the mistake.)

[Dewy]

@LQ

You seem to have meta in your responses to Thor to get him to realize that you are town. However, I don't think meta should be the only way to read someone, but because people can change their meta.

[Dewy]

@Poetic

I think that was a "FYPOV" scenario and not Lickety asking to be lynched. I don't really SR either of you, but I feel like your tunnel-vision is a possible tactic as scum and I'd like to hear elaboration on Lickety's alleged townread on you(?).

I had a hard time digesting the wall posts, but I'm pretty sure that LQ and Thor are scum reading each other?

[Dewy]

@Poetic

VOTE: Hyped

Where's the naked vote coming from? Are you scumreading Hyped?

[Dewy]

@Poetic

I'm hyped for season 2 of mr robot, so this guy's the guiser.

This it a RVS vote?

...I didn't know they had posted.

They haven't posted?

[Dewy]

@Poetic

Yes, it was RVS. This isn't, though:

VOTE: Dewy

Why isn't it? What is your reasoning behind voting me?

@LQ

Respond to my 104 and 85 please.

[Dewy]

@Poetic

I guess the GreenNope/Lick team makes sense, but more because Lickety would turn on Green as maf with GN town here than anything else.

I'm not sure I'm following your reasoning. Why does a GN+LQ scum team make sense?

Also, I'm a she.

Answer to 122 please.

[Dewy]

@Thor

What do you think of Dewy? it seems like everyone but him has been considered despite his posts all being fairly low-key.

I soft town read him. He's probably in my top two current town reads.

Why?

Also, I'm a she.

[Dewy]

@Poetic

I don't think your posts have been furthering discussion, for the most part.

How so? Examples?

Your reads are fairly agreeable and blend in

I disagree with you on this one. My reads are based on how I'm sorting people, not other people are sorting other people.

your questions don't seem like they lead anywhere.

This is also false. My questions are helping me to sort people.



Right now, I am at:

Townish:
Impoetic
Thor
LQ
frog

Scummy:
GN

Not enough info/has not posted:
Silver
Liz
Hyped

[Dewy]

@LQ

We have surprisingly little info to work with at this stage of the game. We should have twice this amount of posts.

Reads:

Town
Impoetic
GreenNope
Town lean
Dewy
Null
Lis
Hyped
Null/Scum
PKM
Scum lean
frog/Thor

Scum

In 68, you read me as scum-lean. How did that change to town-lean?

[Dewy]

OK, so time to put my nuts on the table.

VOTE: PkmSilver

?

[Dewy]

Town
Thor/Frog
Town Lean
LicketyQuickety
Null
Hyped/Lis/PKM
Null/Scum
GreenNope/Dewy

Scum
Impoetic

In short: my reads list is the literal antithesis of yours.

Scum-slip?
VOTE: Impoetic

[Dewy]

Sorry, didn't have time today. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[Dewy]

Okay, catching up now.

[Dewy]

Sorry for the sudden dip in activity. IRL hit me really hard.
This is Round 1 of catch-up.

@Poetic

143/185 If you wanted pressure on me, why did you unvote?
158 Not sure if this was addressed to me, but I thought it was a genuine scum slip. / scum giving up.

Unvote

188 I don't think fake reads list is the best way to "diversift the dicussion" because it just sows confusion in town.

back to this:
VOTE: GreenNope

@Thor

146 I'm not particularly concerned with the read itself. I'm more concerned about the thought process behind it.

150 - Comments on Zyf's reads:
I wouldn't use being active as something that's alignment indicative because scum can be active too.
Some of the reasons you used to scum read LQ are some of the reasons why I would town read him. For example, in his argument of "go ahead and lynch me", I'm reading it as frustrated town. IMO scum would be less willing to be lynched.

@frog

153 I had a early townread on LQ from 34. Also see my comments to 150.
Re. to his read on me: How so? Examples? How were they deflectly?

@Silver

163 with 7 pages of discussion, why go back to RVS?
172 Why is GN town and Poetic scum?

@GN

197 What is Zyf right about? Thoughts on the discussion? What are your other reads?

(note to self: Start on pg 8)

[Dewy]

@Zyf

Well sh*t, GreenNope dipped out
That makes them extra scummy.

What do you mean by dipped out?

[Dewy]

@Silver

@Silver

163 with 7 pages of discussion, why go back to RVS?
172 Why is GN town and Poetic scum?

GN sounds townie and Poetic, his reads all over the place, he is becoming hard to read. I will add more info into that when i re-read again

Why does GN sound like town?
Just because someone's hard to read does not make them scum.

[Dewy]

@everyone: is it seriously possible that PkmSilver still doesn't know what we're asking?

Although that a possibility, Silver hasn't asked for clarification. (at least from the posts I've read.)

I'm trying to make my questions as clear as possible.

[Dewy]

@poetic

You sure aren't a robot because if you were one you'd have been among the people think I scumread myself xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

alright done being difficult. I think that was Zyf townslipping rather than scum!zyf picking something stupid to push on. Scum would see it for what it was, and probably wouldn't think it worth pushing on since it's easily confirmable as such; if anything, zyf would have to have been intentionally faking a townslip, but occam's razor and idk that's just how i see it. confbias=me

I'm not sure if it's a town slip if you scum read yourself. (whether fake or not)

[Dewy]

Honestly, I think Zyf is right.

Oh my, is this a scum claim?

[Dewy]

@GN

Honestly, I think Zyf is right.

You do mean reads wise right?

[Dewy]

@Zyf

i'm gonna have to agree with lickety here.

What do you agree with him on?

[Dewy]

@LQ

1) there is no reason to say "agree or disagree" it looks like a Scum tactic to say this because it should be obvious that they are stating a read someone can agree or disagree with.

IMO, this is NAI because from the way, I interpreted it, it wasn't really a wagon statement.

2) on top of the fact that they said "agree or disagree" they are representing that they are strong in this read by saying that, which contradicts them saying they are "

starting

to townread Froggie."

Not seeing how this is scum indicative because players can get reads at different times.

[Dewy]

That case on Sliver was a bit of a stretch.

[Dewy]

@Poetic

After that interaction I think I'll place LQ comfortably in Null.

personally I find null a bit uncomfortable

Why is that?

[Dewy]

I think this line of you proves 100% that you are town.

Hold on. You having a 100% town read on anyone is scum logic.

Nothing proves 100% that someone else is town. Unless they flip or if you are scum.

[Dewy]

@Silver

PkmSilver, are you scum?

No, I just happen to live in Calgary and it's stampede week (cowboy), made me remember of a woody meme I seen on memedroid (memes)

Whaaaa...you never answer frog's question.

[Dewy]

@Silver

PkmSilver, are you scum?

No, I just happen to live in Calgary and it's stampede week (cowboy), made me remember of a woody meme I seen on memedroid (memes)

Whaaaa...you never

answer

answered frog's question.

EBWOP

[Dewy]

@Silver

These 2 are town ^^^^

Where is this coming from? Iirc you called poetic scum. Why did your read on her change?

[Dewy]

Dewy what is you read on PKM? You are kinda waffling on that slot a lot.

My read on Silver is null-leaning scum. I didn't like the 100% town read.

[Dewy]

Sorry, it's really late where I live. Reads as of 282. (5 more pages >.< )

Townish:
Zyf
Thor
Poetic
frog
LQ

Null:
Hype Slot, Hay

Scummy:
Silver
GN

[Dewy]

Dewy, if you scumread PkmSilver, what is your hesitation in asking for a claim?

Forgot he was at L-1. My current read on him is null- leaning scum and I'd much rather have a GN lynch.

[Dewy]

you mean he's clearly not PR?
VOTE: Impoetic
Scumslip?

Wait, it's

you

again.

The whole of my last post was me attempting to snarkily reiterate myself about how PKM is obviously claiming blue and if he claimed PR it would be a scumslip so I probably shouldn't have said it in the first place but whatever, he wasn't about to come back and magically see the two posts where I pointed out that he said "Lynch me if you want" and he probably wasn't going to claim PR anyway because he is likely blue.

What do you mean by blue? Blue as in VT?

Scumslips usually involve logic, not wording. Even if I hadn't meant to say exactly what you asked about, it wouldn't be a scumslip!

Not necessary. Scumslips can involve anything that's a scum claim.

[Dewy]

*WHEN* PKM flips

villager

.

And I don't

know

he's villager, obviously, but that's my guess about his alignment at this point and it certainly seems to be his claim. ~_^

These two statements kind of contradict each other.

[Dewy]

Silver needs to get in here and respond what we asked him.

[Dewy]

No lolhammers please.

[Dewy]

Also many people have been calling me experienced but this is my first game IMO. I townread those two because the way they interact are really townie and I think that mafia wouldn't have interaction lines like that.

What about those interactions make them town?

[Dewy]

Alright let me re-read to tell you, my whereabouts on this read.

Started looking scum:

...Wooper (WHO CAN USE ICE PUNCH, WHILE HAVING NO ARMS!)

ice bodyslam

there is seldom more than one vote (but we do have two votes on pkmsilver )

Honestly, I understand why someone would vote for them (RVS), but two is a tad bit suspicious, though it may be a coincidence.In my first game, the IC (who was town) joined bandwagon during RVS so it WOULDN'T be pointless. As you just said, 1 vote doesn't create pressure, so joining a bandwagon makes it better. There's no incentive for mafia to try to get someone lynched during RVS when they know it is RVS unless they're severely mistaken about the length of a normal day phase, imo. (I did try to argue that before so it looked like I was scumhunting, though, as mafia.)

I think your hesitation and brushing off your reads as coincidence is far more likely to be a scumtell, if any has been dropped at all on page 1.

I wrote that before seeing page 2, but there's nothing really to say about what's here. @Lick: Maybe if it continues, but so far, there was only one post and it was, if anything, helping discussion get started earlier.

VOTE: GreenNope

And she looked town here:

Frick. Sorry, I got this game ocnfused with the other one already. Yeah, I managed to forget that you were one of the primary people SRing GreenNope. Not counting RVS, was there a third player you voted that I've forgotten about too? u_u;

I said "tunnel" because the past few(?) pages have been primarily you two debating back and forth. That might not qualify as such, but it's what caused me to feel assured in using the word, at the time, along with getting the details of everything utterly mixed up. I'm sorry.

Somehow, despite reading all your posts, I haven't gotten the gist of your arguments.

Man, this is embarrassing. I guess I'll definitely be trying to reread some tonight. It just seems like a bunch of small thing you guys are getting on each others' cases about, from what I've seen. What do you think of Dewy? it seems like everyone but him has been considered despite his posts all being fairly low-key. I guess the GreenNope/Lick team makes sense, but more because Lickety would turn on Green as maf with GN town here than anything else.

Sorry once more. :c

Quote tag fix -Mod

Still missing the question. Like what about those make them town/scum.

[Dewy]

@Silver

At first the way she was talking looked scummy to me, but after a while her way of talking was more townie-looking. I think that's the mostly way I was scumreading her.

What about her talking

make them scummy or townie?

I'm trying dude, and I am still fairly new and you guys are having hard time against me, I know this is a wifom but if you must lynch me d1 you can. Anyways like Frog said? I believe I wouldn't last on LYLO.

You're dodging the questions and playing the novice card. Please answer the questions.

[Dewy]

Yes dewy we all agree
I just think pkm siteflaked so atp we're playing a D1 6 person game
Meaning we have a super high chance to ML

It would be nice if silver came back to answer what we asked him.

I'm not seeing the correlation between these.
What does silver's siteflake have to do with a ml?

[Dewy]

Hi Malakittens!
Update us with thoughts and reads when you catch up please.

Thoughts on the Silver wagon?

[Dewy]

@Reed

Thor is...Thor. I'm going to have trouble reading him and I don't think my stream of consciousness posting will sit well with him either. His content seems pro-town but I do want more time to run over his posts as well.

Thor - townish (2nd vote in RVS. usual theory aggression. null for him)

These two statements kind of contradict each other. What is your read on Thor? Is it null or town?

LQ - townlean (no RVS, null)
pushes the idea of newbtown with GN, i liked this.

Why did you like it? Iirc, you scumread GN.

impo - feels fencesitty even if her content doesn't seem it

Examples? Not really following the scumread on poetic.

Also, I'm a she.

[Dewy]

Dewy pointing out your "scum-slip" pings me majorly. Generally scum like to justify their votes with scum-slips that aren't really slips, so that when someone flips town they can fall back on that. Zyf's reaction to it was better (especially since it was following Dewy pointing it out, so he's already influenced by that). Your list having you in the scum pile in context was meant to be an obvious chuck off at your reads not matching LQ's (since you went with the "my reads are the antithesis of yours" comment).

I interpreted it differently because I thought it was a genuine scum-slip where poetic forgot that she shouldn't be scumreading herself. It cleared up after she clarified it, so it was a misunderstanding on my part.


On another note, how was my reaction different from Zyf's reaction?

[Dewy]

I think the wagon on silver was mostly to pressure him to answer us, rather than to actually get him lynched.

[Dewy]

Townish:
Zyf
Thor
LQ
Reed
frog

Null:
Silver slot, GL (Doesn't help that they left questions unanswered.)
Poetic

Scummy:
GN slot, Mala

[Dewy]

@Zyf

Dewy-They diffuse a wagon with (reasonable) logic even though they were never even on it

I'm not sure what you mean by diffusing a wagon. Can you give examples?

they ask a lot of questions, but they don't really take those responses to make any real cases.

How would you define a "real case"?

[Dewy]

@Poetic

In fact, VOTE: Dewy. I was having the same qualms but had some TR on Dewy until recently and I just think it was probably stupid enough that this is a good vote

This is pretty opportunistic. I'm curious with why you didn't vote for me until Zyf did; even though you said, "but had some TR on Dewy until recently".

VOTE: Impoetic

[Dewy]

@All recent replacements

Please catch-up asap. The day is really soon.

[Dewy]

dewy does do a lot of echoing and diddling.

I was too lazy to compile a catch-up post, so I responded to each post as I read it. I didn't intend to echo anyone.

Also, Dewy, I don't see how my vote looks opportunistic or scummy (enough for a vote on someone who wasn't being voted previously when we have little time left). For one thing, if I were mafia, I'd have any number of votes to pick out of for the same 2-vote outcome without drawing attention to the fact that I was sort of sheeping. What's special about Zyf that I should wait for him to vote someone NEW and then follow that?

What pinged me was that you said "recently" which implied that you waited before you decided you vote me. The problem was that you waited for someone to push on me before you made your move.

[Dewy]

...dewy proceeds to ignore my entire case in favor of putting up a weak defense against a weak argument

I'm sorry, but I have 2 projects due in an hour. I'll get to them either later or tomorrow.

[Dewy]

Sorry, IRL has been just awful lately and not getting much better.

@Zyf

In other words preventing GuiltyLion from receiving the pressure of an L-2 wagon

Looking at you too, frog.

I wasn’t stating intent to hammer because I hadn’t developed a solid scum read on him. I was telling you guys what I thought about the wagon. There wasn’t a point in continuing the pressure because there isn’t any way GL could have answered the questions we addressed to Silver because GL isn’t silver.

If you had the same problem with frog, why did you address it in your "case" on me?

Why is the GN slot scummy? What makes Mala scummy? Why are they on the same line rather than separated like everyone else?

I have a hard time explaining my reads regardless of alignment. The reasons for my reads are usually in my posts prior to the reads list.
The GN slot was scummy because of their inconsistency.
Mala is scummy because she replaced into GN’s slot.
Not sure if I’m interpreting your third question correctly, but I put them in the same line because Mala replaced GN.

What moved Pkm to null? There's been no change in terms of Pkm's content. Is it because the wagon doesn't have the pressure you wanted it to?

My read on him was pretty much null - null leaning scum. If he hadn’t replaced out, we would have gotten answers from him. With that, I would be able to develop and more solid read on him. Given the circumstances, I will reread during the night phase and develop a more solid read on him.

What moved Poetic down to null for you? If anything I've been getting some more town vibes from them than before.
I didn’t like how she jump to vote me after you did. I didn’t like how she said “recently” which is imply that she had a scum read on me for some time, but she didn’t bring it up. Instead, she waited for you to bring it up before she decided to bring it up herself.

You see, your reads lists like this weren't a problem before, but now they feel like they're changing to conform the majority town thoughts even if that goes against logic as far as content between reads lists go.

What do you mean by confirming to the majority of town thoughts? Can you give examples?

[Dewy]

@Zyf

Spoiler: Here I will prove how your case on me sucks

For the most part she asks obvious questions]

Keep this in mind-they want a GN lynch more than a Pkm lynch; they do not push a GN lynch whatsoever.

I have been pushing GN. I’ve said multiple times that GN is scum.

"Blue as in VT?"-Pushing terminology is fine but instead of pushing why Impoetic reverted to different terminology Dewy simply asks for clarification on something that's pretty clear.

It wasn’t clear to me….how is asking for clarification scummy? If anything, it’s NAI.

And then this ambiguous statement: A scumslip is anything that's a scum claim? Duh, that's like saying, a keyboard is a board that uses keys to type stuff on a computer. It's something we all know. Mind you that this never goes anywhere.

How does this suggest that I’m scum? It doesn’t.
This is basically just me defining something.

Silver needs to get in here and respond what we asked him.

Thank you, captain obvious.

Again, this point is also NAI.

No lolhammers please.

Yes, this has been VERY clearly established by frog and I. Hey wait a second.

You again try to push me with something that’s NAI. At that post, had not caught-up with who said what. I just wanted to make sure that Silver wasn’t lynched before he had a chance to respond.

If dewy flips scum FROG is #1 scum partner

Where is this association coming from?

Rather than push the GN lynch Dewy "wanted" so bad, they try to get mala on the silver wagon (which they aren't even on, by the way). Neither slot has included any new content since the last pushes.

Asking for other players thoughts on a particular wagon isn’t pushing that particular wagon. Again this point is NAI.

I think the wagon on silver was mostly to pressure him to answer us, rather than to actually get him lynched.

Diffuses wagon they were never on here. Mixes well with frog's attitude.
Again.

I didn’t diffuse this wagon. There wasn’t any point in pressuring GL for answers that he can’t provide.
Iirc, you also agreed with my statement in 563.

@All recent replacements

Please catch-up asap. The day is really soon.

They push a catch-up, say the day is ending soon.
AKA "Slap your vote down I need it to mix in because my initial wagon's now gone"
It also doesn't provide any new sentiments that would be a revelation to the replacements. They know they need to catch up.

Oooooo, another NAI statement.
Me telling the replacements to catch-up is scummy now…..what has the world become?

Your entire “case” doesn’t have a single dewy scumtell. Everything you brought up was NAI.

P-edit: I'll read it later. Right now I have 5 pages to read.

[Dewy]

I'm pretty sure that I already responded to this, but I'll do it again just in case.

Also, Dewy, I don't see how my vote looks opportunistic or scummy (enough for a vote on someone who wasn't being voted previously when we have little time left).

Your vote on me was opportunistic because you scum read me for sometime and waited for some else to push me. You didn’t want to deal with the consequences of pushing a ml, so you waited for someone else to push me so that they would have to deal with the consequences instead of you.

For one thing, if I were mafia, I'd have any number of votes to pick out of for the same 2-vote outcome without drawing attention to the fact that I was sort of sheeping. What's special about Zyf that I should wait for him to vote someone NEW and then follow that?

I’m not liking the line “If I were mafia.” It just adds WIFOM of whether or not you are scum. The second question is answered in my answer above. "Your vote on me was opportunistic because you scum read me for some time and waited for some else to push me. You didn’t want to deal with the consequences of pushing a ml, so you waited for someone else to push me so that they would have to deal with the consequences instead of you.”

[Dewy]

The fact that their content /declined/ to primarily noise when they were asking some good questions and pushing in early game is what bothers me. I /could/ chock it up to real life stress/requirements, but rather than asking people questions about what they think, they just--parrot where they weren't before.
I've found that scum is the first to decline in level of play due to sustained lying, leading them to slip away into the cover of blending in. This definitely doesn't mean that all scum do it (I certainly didn't in Lightning), it just means I think they're more likely to do it if it happens.

Sorry that my life sucks atm?
Also, I'm lazy, so didn't bother to write stuff down and compile it to avoid repeats, my bad. The "parroting" wasn't intentional. Idk how many times I've said this....
Not a single post where I lied...so not seeing your second point.

[Dewy]

How can you think that a town Dewy genuinely thought that impoetic was scum and slipped by reading herself as scum? Like would scum

ever

accidentally write that they're scum-aligned in a readslist? Why do you think that Dewy could genuinely believe in it as a possible scumslip?

You know, this is why it's called a scum-

slip

.

[Dewy]

Don't like reed's fencesitting on my wagon.

Eh I was almost back to thinking one of scum was in {impo, zyf} due to their repeated back and forth and zyf's lackluster casing of Dewy, but I'll concede I haven't read the full of the thread yet due to weekend duties + work today. I'm not in the game as much as I should be today. Hangover central.

Taking it to L1

VOTE: Dewy

Don't exactly remember, but I think you debunked Zyf's crappy case on me before this...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: frog

Prefer this.

I'll get to responding to everyone later.

Then you say you like a frog lynch more.

VOTE: Dewy

Back to L1

.

Then you hope on my wagon again.

UNVOTE:

I'm really not liking this right now.

@Dewy I'm pretty sure Impoetic is just lost town.

Then you hop off my wagon.


P-edit: Thor's vote on GN was RVS. Your's wasn't.


Sucks that I can't vote you both.

[Dewy]

Dewy, you've been scum before.

Have you ever been in the process of writing a post and included yourself as scum in your readslist?

Obviously not, because I didn't slip.

[Dewy]

Dewy, you've been scum before.

Have you ever been in the process of writing a post and included yourself as scum in your readslist?

Obviously not, because I didn't slip.

You know what I'm getting at. You've never done it because

it's a stupid thing to do that no one would ever do

How could you think that scum!Impoetic would write themselves as scum like that accidentally? Why would scum ever write that they're scum while drafting a readslist (outside of WIFOM - which is expressly not the charge you brought here). I am legitimately shocked that you're continuing to assert that this is a Thing That Could Happen.

Tbh poetic cleared it up for me when she said that it was more of a joke post.

My vote on her was pressure to answer for her actions... people seem to have taken it differently...


I apparently suck at creating reaction tests.

@Poetic:
Tbh, you aren't a null read. You're one of my lower townreads

Forgot to mention this in 741.
VOTE: JaeReed


P-edit like x100: I just want to post this =.=

[Dewy]

Yup, Dewy. Strange that. It's almost like I'm not sure what you might flip and don't want to force a claim when I feel like there's been opportunism around your wagon, yet am acutely aware that we are running out of time.

This is what I hate about my wagon. It just feels like a end of the day panic wagon and people have their minds clouded with panic.

[Dewy]

My vote on her was pressure to answer for her actions... people seem to have taken it differently...


I apparently suck at creating reaction tests.

but that's not what you said in 542

Dewy pointing out your "scum-slip" pings me majorly. Generally scum like to justify their votes with scum-slips that aren't really slips, so that when someone flips town they can fall back on that. Zyf's reaction to it was better (especially since it was following Dewy pointing it out, so he's already influenced by that). Your list having you in the scum pile in context was meant to be an obvious chuck off at your reads not matching LQ's (since you went with the "my reads are the antithesis of yours" comment).

I interpreted it differently because

I thought it was a genuine scum-slip where poetic forgot that she shouldn't be scumreading herself

. It cleared up after she clarified it, so it was a misunderstanding on my part.


On another note, how was my reaction different from Zyf's reaction?

Why are you now saying it was a reaction test?

Erghhhh... that's not what I meant by the reaction test. Reaction test is was supposed to be me calling impoetic on the second vote. Clearly, the reaction test blew-up in front of my face.

[Dewy]

Yup, Dewy. Strange that. It's almost like I'm not sure what you might flip and don't want to force a claim when I feel like there's been opportunism around your wagon, yet am acutely aware that we are running out of time.

This is what I hate about my wagon. It just feels like a end of the day panic wagon and people have their minds clouded with panic.

Is this how you talk to someone you're supposedly scumreading? (As I can only infer from your vote on me)

I quoted that because although it's something you said, it applied to everyone.

[Dewy]

I don't think you get it dewy.
The problem is that not only is almost ALL your content unhelpful, a substantial portion of it is even /parroting/.
You also conveniently decide to not defend yourself on your magically conforming reads

No, I don't get it.
This is literally just a end of the day panic wagon.

Re, reads: specifically, reads were "magically conforming"? Your last case on me was utter garbage.

@Reed

I think you miss-read 760.

You again continue to fence sit.

[Dewy]

Claim.

Literally a complete sitting duck unless there's a doc....

[Dewy]

GG everyone!

Still suck at being scum. :p

[Dewy]

Were the scum just playing badly?

Pretty sure it was me playing badly that brought scum down.