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Post Post #1101 (isolation #200) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:58 am

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In post 1097, Gallynukes wrote:
In post 1088, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1048, Gallynukes wrote:Question: 9 total players so how many scum are likely? Two or three? (And there aren't any indies in this style game, right?)
Wasnt there quite a bit of discussion earlier about 2-person scum teams?
Wasn't sure if that was speculation or concrete evidence. Was trying to put the player numbers in perspective for read listing sake.

Just read through the wiki, though, and I'm good on the knowledge front at this point. Just a lot of differences from WW.

Lastly, why would I continuously townslip on purpose after having been essentially confirmed from the first one? I'm just trying to make decisions here with all the available information I can. Because at the moment, my reads list is all over the frigging place.
I think you would townslip again if you thought it would get you more town reads.

But...ok for now
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #201) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:00 am

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"Everyone looks towny" points toward scum being in SEs/IC/lurkers. I'm town, and I think rask is town. So {Grendel, BBT, skold} <-- that's my scum pool.
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #202) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:03 am

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In post 1103, Raskolnikov wrote:
In post 1084, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1079, Zyf wrote:
In post 1076, Infinity 324 wrote:Rask seemed to be unfazed by my apparent distrust of him

I don't know what to make of that
Comes with experience, i'm pretty sure

Also i didn't even really pick up on the distrust so
Didn't play it up enough I guess
The real fucked up thing is I kind of predicated it around when zyf came in because at that point I started to have too many townreads. In fact if you didn't start to at least worry or have some paranoia about me (given what you've seen from me prior) we'd probably have an issue about now.
Haha

It feels like all of my plays are predetermined in a book that rask has and everything I do he checks off a box...
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #203) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:10 am

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@zyf: what did you like about skold's reaction to the claim?
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #204) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:10 am

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In post 1110, Zyf wrote:
In post 1104, Infinity 324 wrote:"Everyone looks towny" points toward scum being in SEs/IC/lurkers. I'm town, and I think rask is town. So {Grendel, BBT, skold} <-- that's my scum pool.
disagree...
i wouldn't write off people that fast
I might be biased cause that's already my scum pool ;)
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Post Post #1121 (isolation #205) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:12 am

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@rask I'll let zyf respond to them. I see what you're saying, but I don't think that makes him scum
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #206) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:13 am

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In post 1119, Zyf wrote:
In post 1116, Infinity 324 wrote:@zyf: what did you like about skold's reaction to the claim?
Well...this breaks this rule for future claims now that I say this but
Imo vt claims are less scummy than pr ones because pr ones force at least 1 /actual/ pr to claim if the first one is scum
What does that have to do with skold's reaction?
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #207) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:16 am

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Rask, you may have to trust me on the zyf read
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #208) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:23 am

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In post 804, Gallynukes wrote:All in all, I think trying to nail one scum D1 is enough. Trying to nail the whole damn team just lends itself to a lot of misreads, mistakes, paranoia and unproductive pandering. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc. etc.
@gally: Doesn't this imply you assumed there were 2 scum?
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #209) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:28 am

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Whenever LUV posts it feels to me like his positions are genuine, I can't explain it

I don't think he could fake that as scum

PEdit: yeah I get it rask

Hopefully we get something out of grendel's catchup
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Post Post #1134 (isolation #210) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:30 am

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@gally: Have you fake townslipped before as scum (werewolf)?
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #211) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:33 am

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How is that loaded
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #212) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:42 am

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I wouldn't say incriminating, it just makes it more of a possibility that he fake townslipped in this game.
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #213) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:34 pm

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In post 1144, Gallynukes wrote:
In post 1128, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 804, Gallynukes wrote:All in all, I think trying to nail one scum D1 is enough. Trying to nail the whole damn team just lends itself to a lot of misreads, mistakes, paranoia and unproductive pandering. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc. etc.
@gally: Doesn't this imply you assumed there were 2 scum?
Not really? "Whole damn team" doesn't mean two as far as I know. Could be three, four -- shit, could be a whole 52-man NFL roster!
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #214) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:49 pm

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Really like grendel's catchup.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #215) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:17 pm

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It's not just the in-depth nature of grendel's catchup I like, I agree with almost all the points he makes except for the ones about LUV. lol

Rask has a point here, zyf
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #216) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:18 pm

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@rask A lot of my read on zyf comes from the fact that I don't think he would 180 that obviously as scum

I know, wine, but still
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #217) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:52 pm

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zyf reminds me of town!inspectorscout

Reads don't seem to make much sense on the surface, but the emotion and tone are genuine
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #218) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:19 pm

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In post 1223, Raskolnikov wrote:I'd argue they don't make sense beyond the surface either.
They make sense in zyf's head somehow. More sense as town than as scum, I think.

I've been there too
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #219) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:27 pm

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Rask, I definitely heard your points, I just don't think they make him scum, especially given what I know about him.
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #220) » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:49 pm

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Why do zyf/gally/gamma keep voting together

I'm also going to bed. We need a flip.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #221) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:00 pm

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UNVOTE IT'S LYLO IF BOTH SCUM GET ONLINE THEY CAN QUICKHAMMER
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #222) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:02 pm

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That's if grendel is town, but you don't want to take that risk.

In other news you guys managed to quickhammer one of my strongest townreads without me getting a chance to post. Congratulations.

Thank god gally was killed, I would've been all over him today.
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #223) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:05 pm

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First though is the team is skold/grendel but I need to look at everything again. Also I'm traveling and shit so I'm gonna need a lot of time. If anyone wants to talk to me about stuff, I'll be available though.
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #224) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:10 pm

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In post 1466, Zyf wrote:on that note fuckin yolo VOTE: Infinity
You fucking idiot.
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #225) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:11 pm

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VT. Popcorn skold.
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #226) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:19 pm

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Isn't that how popcorn works?
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #227) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:23 pm

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Why am I scum zyf?

Scum probably claims PR here.

PEdit: oook
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #228) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:24 pm

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So I was right about skold/grendel if that's true.
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Post Post #1480 (isolation #229) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:28 pm

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Seriously zyf?

I'm gonna do some ISO's and see if that makes sense, but I may not have time for a while. In the meantime skold and grendel should claim.
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #230) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:52 pm

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Ok cool. Crumb makes sense, and grendel's reaction seemed pretty fake. Would like to wait a bit longer, but not seeing gamma as scum here. If he is, kudos to him. It was a really well-executed gambit and overall really good play.
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Post Post #1501 (isolation #231) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:54 pm

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Uh ok, I like being randomly townread

After I do some double ISO's I'll be ready to vote, may be a few days though.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #232) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:57 pm

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Grendel, did you breadcrumb?

Why don't you consider me or skold as scum, since you semi-cleared zyf?
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #233) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:00 pm

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Stop rushing me -_-
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #234) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:00 pm

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I want skold's claim before the day ends for sure.
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Post Post #1511 (isolation #235) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:03 pm

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It's really risky/dumb for both scum to vote together immediately in lylo. Gamma/skold seems more likely than gamma/zyf to me at this point.

PEdit: sorry grendel you're scum
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #236) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:28 pm

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Perpetual catchup isn't really an excuse you for not softing, first of all.

The way you described me being town doesn't make sense, yes I should be conftown to you but I was your top scumread yesterday and you said I probably wasn't partners with LUV. No consideration is given to that, you make it seem like I would be townier than zyf even if I wasn't conftown to you whic makes 0 sense.

Same with your read on zyf, "it could be a knee-jerk reaction" isn't an explanation. You don't consider whether skold is scum, town having their top scumread become conftown usually makes them re-evaluate. Your thoght process looks like panicked scum who has to come up with something and not town just surprised by a scum gambit.
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Post Post #1518 (isolation #237) » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:29 pm

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In post 1515, Grendel wrote:So if it isn't Zyf/Gamma then maybe... Skold/Gamma? Hmmm

I'll look into both tomorrow morning if I am still alive.

Infinity not hammering basically makes him conformed town.
And this...is too late. Sorry.
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Post Post #1531 (isolation #238) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:07 am

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Ooh that's ballsy for skold as grendel's partner.
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #239) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:09 am

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It's either column B and zyf/gamma or row 3 and grendel/skold.

The former would go against everything I've believed all game but why would scum try to make me believe that? Ugh
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Post Post #1537 (isolation #240) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:23 am

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Idk man but if you keep picking on stupid small things like that you're not going to convince me
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #241) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:24 am

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You wait for me to figure this out.
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #242) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:35 am

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...therefore he's scum? Not seeing it.

It's just as likely that town would forget their role pm as scum would forget their fake claim.
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #243) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:35 am

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Skold, why did you say "doc or BP"?
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #244) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:48 am

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Small things that people do under pressure dont matter very much. Even bigger things, like supposedly not taking into account the scumreads you developed throughout the game, is within the realm of possibility for town. Actions people took throughout the game are more important.

Zyf, why would scum!skold claim a role that only makes sense with grendel's when I was already considering them as a team?
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Post Post #1545 (isolation #245) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:03 am

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I feel like a whole new game just started. Lol

PEdit: right, that's what I was thinking. Never had someone do that before but I see how it could be useful.
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #246) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:24 am

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In post 1546, Zyf wrote:
In post 1543, Infinity 324 wrote:Small things that people do under pressure dont matter very much. Even bigger things, like supposedly not taking into account the scumreads you developed throughout the game, is within the realm of possibility for town. Actions people took throughout the game are more important.

Zyf, why would scum!skold claim a role that only makes sense with grendel's when I was already considering them as a team?
Because claiming doc doesn't guarantee that gamma will die for "lying"?
But that means he becomes confirmed scum tomorrow if grendel flips scum, and I was already strongly leaning towards voting grendel.

Come on, do a better job at convincing me.
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #247) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:34 am

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Makes more sense.

The all game part is why I'm gonna have to ISO people again.
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #248) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:35 am

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In post 1553, Zyf wrote:
In post 1139, Grendel wrote:Alight so this is taking awhile, I hope I'm not burdening the thread. I want to get at least half way caught up tonight. Then finish tomarrow.

…Ughhh, why is RVS always so gross… its hard to get much from this, but I guess I’d better try anyways. When I do catch up notes I generally summarize the first few pages, (or how ever long RVS lasts), then I directly reference posts on each page with less summarizations.

Spoiler: Pages 1-5
Page 1:
-Kyndy left IC opening post. Correction, a lazy IC opening post.
-Skold is a downer.
-Infitelt is pretty active poster this page. But given his experience I am afraid to give a gut read.
-Lil Uzi Vert giving a bare minimum effort.
-Maggibass gives a back story and vote. That’s cool.
-Gamma is active, which is pretty normal posting style for him.
-Raskolnikov is trying to be clever.
-Weird interactions between Infinity and Gamma. Can’t quite put my finger on what it is though.

Page 2:
-I like Rask and Skold for town. Fairly superficial reasons though. Mainly that Skold is dissing RVS, and Rask is making reads list super early in the game.
Page 3:
-Really not a fan of Kyndy right now. Not seeing anything to futher the game state, not seeing anything reflecting a desire to solve the game.
-Seeing Gamma using forum user activity to scum hunt is bothering me. I recall him treating that tactic as “creepy”, and “mean”, when other players used it. So seeing Gamma making such a big deal about who is on and not on now baffles me. Actually though, he made those protests as scum so… this might be an indication Gamma is town. Hmmm.

Page 4
-Beginning to not like Infinity so much. His town read on Gamma is a bit forced.
-I don’t like how Kyndy is asking for participation when she isn’t generating content.
-Oh hey, Infinity also shared my thoughts on Kyndy. Huh.

Page 5
-Infinity and Gamma’s constant interactions make me want to rule them out as a possible scum team. Not seeing Scum being so involved with each other in the thread proper. At least, not normally. Gamma looks v town, Infinity is starting to look okay.
-Lil Uzi Vert is pretty fence-sitty right now. No hard reads and soft ones he can back away from at moment’s notice. Town reads too, which is the easiest reads for scum to fake.
-My time zone is EST, but I keep a weird schedule so…

Reads:
Gamma Emerald, Raskolnikov,
Skold, Infinity,
(who cares),
Lil Uzi Vert, Kyndy

Now I will switch to directly referencing posts.

Spoiler: Pages 6-10
Page 6
@ 126, 128 Rask pretty much say what I was think in regurads to Vert and Kyndy.
@ 127 I wonder the possibility that Infinity could be scum with either Vert or Kyndy. That said I can see town motivation from this too, he could be pointing out that its certainly not a slam dunk case.
@136 Infinity is asking Vert some good questions, maybe thinking they are scum together is pretty unrealistic.
@143 Gally’s first substance post. I disagree with his case. The only time I view vote hoping as truly alignment indicative is at EoD. Is vote hoping AI where you come from?
@146 & 148 Gally backed off Gamma in a pretty awkward manner. I don’t see why he was so quick to fold here if he legitimately thought he had a good point on Gamma. His explanation is underwhelming too.
@149 Don’t like Kynd’ys reads. 180' opinion on these. Well, not entirely opposite on Gallynuke, he is just null.

Page 7
@150 Its weird how Infinity keeps saying things I can agree with, but I am incredibly fickle with regard to how I’m reading him. I espesally agree with his sediment that bad logic isn’t a scum tell.
@151 Gamma’s reads aren’t very good. LUV is on his fence, and Kyndy has been fluff posting with exception to 149. I also think the “giving mafia tips” thing is silly, but it definitely reflects Gamma’s town like paranoia.
@152 Gally’s Beta first edition gut read list is entertaining. And has valid points.
@155 I sympathize with Gally, I struggle with voting D1 too. If that is the site meta where he comes from then his backing off of Gamma makes a bit more sense now. Some sites are reclutant to make soild stance D1.
@171 Kyndy makes more in depth reads lists. Reads lists are cool and all, but its barely scum hunting since Kyndy doesn’t actually engage anybody when making these. Also her read on Rask is basically pot calling the kettle black.

Page 8
@175 who is this scumlordz?
@All this page Skold looks like unhelpful town to me. I have yet to meet a scum player who was so staunchly open with their unhelpfulness. Scum at least tries to look like they are being helpful. Otherwise they could get policy lynched. Like the point of being scum is to not die, towns can afford to die, scum really can’t. So Skold has no reason to do this as a mafiaso. Would not support pocily lynching this, his play makes much more sense as town then scum thus far.
@183 to 186 Rask looks like frustrated town to me.
@198 On of LUV’s best post so far is a non-AI one. lol

Page 9 & 10
How’s that high horse doing Skold?
Like what a waste of page nine, the whole thing is debating mafia theory.
@236 Infinity is the first to try and pull away from this largely non AI discussion. Really starting to like Infinity for town now.

Reads:
Raskolnikov, Skold, Gamma, Infinity
,
Magibass, Gallynukes,
Lil Uzi Vert, Kyndy


*Discliamer, I am not paying attention to current discussion so if you ask me something I'll won't get to it until I'm caught up! Sorry in advance!
read page 6-10 catch-up
observe magical chumminess
Hmm?
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #249) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:48 am

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In post 1555, Zyf wrote:
In post 691, Grendel wrote:Hi peoples, I'm Grendel.

I look forward to matching wits with you all.
In post 686, Gamma Emerald wrote:OOOOHH SHIT.
I know Grendel! HOW YOU DOING!
:)
Heyyyyy, did you really think I wouldn't want a piece of your first MS game?

Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Woot! Another new face!
Nice to meet you.
In post 700, Grendel wrote:
Infinity 324 wrote:Hello

Given my views on the gamestate at the moment, you have a high chance of being mafia
Have you already given an explanation as to why that is?

If not you should go ahead and do that.
Zyf wrote:Hi, grendel
Hello!
Gallynukes wrote:Also, Grendel: Hi!

*Insert joke about your mother here.*
I'll wreck ur meadhall.
IDK i find it a bit sketchy now that everyone but skold said hi
Lol and I'm saying hi in my own way by calling him scum

If grendel is scum though, that would mean he would have to share so much of my stated and unstated opinion of the game by chance. Hmm

It would be weird to parrot my opinions and then switch to a scumread on me, but maybe he decided to do parrot first and then decided I would be a good lynch target. Which reminds me, forming the negative association between myself and LUV was a great way to set up our lynches.

I'll have to look over that again.

@grendel Did you notice that earlier on, we shared a lot of opinions about the game? How did that affect your read on me?
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #250) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:49 am

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In post 1559, Zyf wrote:like please
can we kill grendel now

if you look at all their catch-ups there's no controversial reads at any point
Hold your horses.

I'll ISO people and I'm confident I'll make the correct decision. If you're town we have nothing to worry about, and we have nothing to lose by waiting and making sure.
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #251) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:22 am

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There's gamma too...

Also I can figure it out myself :)
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #252) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:44 am

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Oh ok in that case I'll just vote gamma and end this ;)

Seriously though I'll need more than that
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #253) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:16 am

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In post 1571, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have extra proof Grendel is Mafia. He didn't really expand his scum reads, implicating himself as he knows everyone is town. Infinity, Grendel is Mafia. Sheep me.
Explain more.

Zyf, you're not predicting shit. It's on me if I guess wrong, but voting sooner is not going to make me more likely to be right, in fact quite the opposite. I can understand being impatient from your perspective, if you're town, since you know who scum is, but I don't.
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #254) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:07 am

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I guess I could be scum with gamma fypov

But no
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #255) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:04 am

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In post 1581, Zyf wrote:
In post 1580, Infinity 324 wrote:I guess I could be scum with gamma fypov

But no
if you're gonna iso, do it and come to a decision
there's nothing more for me to say at this point
Ok, when I get more time :D
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #256) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:26 am

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Not so simple to me :)
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #257) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:57 am

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If I knew you were town, yes I would know the team is skold/grendel. However I'm not convinced of that yet.
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Post Post #1592 (isolation #258) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:22 am

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In post 27, Skold wrote:
In post 25, Gamma Emerald wrote:I still meant what I said. Saying you don't believe in scumtells without them being used or even mentioned sounds like a way to easily avoid suspicion when you don't use them due to being scum. It's like claiming Miller. It's an easy excuse for a foreseeable event.
Why would I do that as scum, rather than just doing what literally everybody else does which is use bullshit tells that don't help you find scum? I'm stating that because I'm going to spend most of D1 convincing you that you should either read on intuition or evidence and anything else is a madeup excuse for voting someone no better at hunting scum than RVS.
In post 65, Skold wrote:
In post 49, Raskolnikov wrote:Skolds entrance post+vote and especially unsolicited comment on scumtells I actually love tbh though I might be overvaluing.
That you are. Completely. There is no benefit or harm to this way of play for either sides, except maybe that scum would find it easier to just play along with the standard meta. Don't read into it too much.
Oh man already found something

This seems like a contradiction, and a scummy one. Scum love to use "why would I do this as scum" as a defense, and also on occasion like to question townreads on them. Doing both shows scum motivation, and the contradiction shows not as much town motivation.

@skold You said you would avoid scumhunting on d1 only, but you haven't done much of it since. Why is that?
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #259) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:21 pm

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Yep NKs point towards zyf/gamma unless scum wanted to WIFOM

But rask made sense either way since he may have PoE'd down to the team anyway

But gally kill has to be WIFOM if it's grendel/skold.
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Post Post #1614 (isolation #260) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:08 am

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@grendel How good of a manipulator is gamma?
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Post Post #1618 (isolation #261) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:30 am

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In post 1615, Zyf wrote:
In post 1610, Infinity 324 wrote:Yep NKs point towards zyf/gamma unless scum wanted to WIFOM

But rask made sense either way since he may have PoE'd down to the team anyway

But gally kill has to be WIFOM if it's grendel/skold.
Why would Gamma and I
together
kill gally?
Maybe it was possible if it was just me, but gally townread both of us.

Also, considering that Grendel is so adamant that there's no way in fuck I can't wifom, why is it so hard to believe that grendel/skold can do it too?
He suspected you guys as a team the beginning of d2
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #262) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:33 am

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In post 1616, Zyf wrote:
In post 1606, Grendel wrote:You mean Skold's D1 performance?

He was town. Scum don't act like negative utility. I could quote horrible anti town things all done by town. Not so much Scum because scum don't want attention.

Anyways, how is that comparably to Zyf's needless self meta. Which, didn't come off as anti town but somebody hastily defending themselves with no reason to do so at that time.
ha
ha ha
hahahahahahahahahahaha

orlly
You:
"@603 to 609 I nominate Skold for MIP (Most _Irritating_ Player). He is as inflammatory as my sinus pressure in the spring. If he isn’t going to do anything he should stop telling people that what their doing dosen’t matter. I had a pretty stong town read on this guy, and I guess I still lean town, bbut I’m really not happy with his performance currently."
And then you mark them down as null
And then
"--I put Skold back into town b/c not likening his play doesn’t make him not town lol." suddenly change it the fuck back for no reason other than town favor

like EVERY part of your "reads list" is just a copy of the majority thought at the time. There's literally no original thought in it
I only recognize that now because tbh if you can skim my
tunnel
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This is a good point
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Post Post #1620 (isolation #263) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:38 am

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The thing is that grendel himself said gamma was completely off his scum meta.

@grendel Any reason you can think of for this?
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #264) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:39 am

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@zyf How would you describe you scum meta, before I check it myself?
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Post Post #1622 (isolation #265) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:47 am

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@grendel What were the thoughts going through your mind when you saw rask's defense of me in
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #266) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:55 am

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Doesn't try to use meta to help his case. Ok
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #267) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:07 am

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Lol it's a good thing
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #268) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:51 am

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In post 1628, Zyf wrote:the game's over regardless of grendel's flip
i'm tired of thinking and getting paranoid as fuck that I'm getting played.
inf pls
Shut. Up.

I'm not going to possibly blow the game just because you refuse to wait a few days.
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Post Post #1632 (isolation #269) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:24 am

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In post 74, Gamma Emerald wrote:You do realize this is a serious allegation. This is our best lead currently. You will explain your selective hyperactivity.
Can't get over how town this post looks
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #270) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:44 am

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Middle paragraph looks towny to me. Hmm

But the argument itself is hard for me to see.
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Post Post #1638 (isolation #271) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:57 am

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Ok soon after you saw other posts of rask's you agreed with, did that change how you viewed his opinion on me?
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Post Post #1639 (isolation #272) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:58 am

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In post 1637, Grendel wrote:
In post 1635, Infinity 324 wrote:Middle paragraph looks towny to me. Hmm

But the argument itself is hard for me to see.
Why is that?
I don't think people can randomly change their meta that much after only 1 game.
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Post Post #1642 (isolation #273) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:33 am

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In post 1641, Grendel wrote:
In post 1638, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok soon after you saw other posts of rask's you agreed with, did that change how you viewed his opinion on me?
Well, I kept a scum read on you into today so Rask wasn't able to convince me you were town. :neutral:

Liking somebody's points doesn't mean I agree with everything they are saying. I thought Hoopla made great posts In mini 1809, but was conviced she was scum so I didn't stop to consider anything she said, which I'm pretty sure you spectated. Right?
Didn't rask go up in your reads from page 41 to 50?
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #274) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:43 am

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What's so hard to understand about I NEED TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #275) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:44 am

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Zyf would have to have balls as scum to keep saying the same thing that I'm getting annoyed about, but I think we've already established that he'd have to be ballsy to be scum here.
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #276) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:48 am

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I think the gally kill isn't really relevant since most people townread him and zyf and gamma could still be here to lynch me. Gally was probably killed over gamma or zyf for wine/PR hunting.

PEdit: I don't think gamma is scum. However, I've been really wrong before. I want to make sure I'm not wrong here.
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #277) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:41 pm

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In post 1667, Zyf wrote:infinity, come on now
At this rate we're all gonna get prodded because you're being indecisive as fok
If anyone needs a prod it's the mod himself. lol

Should I started counting how many times you guys tell me to hammer?

VOTE: zyf









UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1671 (isolation #278) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:37 pm

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Ok fine

Right now I just had to finish ISOing you and zyf and meta zyf quickly
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #279) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:55 pm

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@gamma You suspected me at various points during the game, why didn't you question/pressure me more after early d1?
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Post Post #1673 (isolation #280) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:06 pm

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@zyf you originally said you have town vibes on LUV, when and why did those go away?
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #281) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:08 pm

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@gamma Why did you use zyf' tell of caring about others' perceptions if you did it yourself?
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Post Post #1676 (isolation #282) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:09 am

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In post 1675, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1672, Infinity 324 wrote:@gamma You suspected me at various points during the game, why didn't you question/pressure me more after early d1?
I was mostly just creating discussion.
What does this mean? You didn't actually suspect me?
Infinity 324 wrote:@gamma Why did you use zyf' tell of caring about others' perceptions if you did it yourself?
I was mad and I used his case on me against him.
But you also used it against me.
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #283) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:28 am

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In post 799, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 790, Zyf wrote:
In post 787, Infinity 324 wrote:Answer the last question please.
You aren't a newb
Why do you care abt others' perspective on you like that

Also, signing off for tonight.
FoS: Infinity
In post 800, Gamma Emerald wrote:As Zyf pointed out, caring about your appearance is bad.
This is what I'm talking about by "using it against me".
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #284) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:40 am

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In post 1673, Infinity 324 wrote:@zyf you originally said you have town vibes on LUV, when and why did those go away?
Can you answer this please?
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Post Post #1683 (isolation #285) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:42 am

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In post 822, Gallynukes wrote:
In post 810, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, this one's name by name.
Infinity: bit suspicious.
Skold: null-town due to limited input.
Gally: town.
LUV: town.
Zyf: At this point, I feel I'm in the same boat with Gally, but I would like if he DIDN'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS AS MUCH.
BBT: No damn clue.
Grendel: waiting for further input.
Rask: I don't know rn
PEdit: what I normally play is actually REALLY different, cops are more like vigilantes, and lynching is pretty much "I blame X kill him". Also, those games are Night Start.
Thanks for the list, man.

What's making you a bit suspicious of Infinity now?
In post 823, Gamma Emerald wrote:The caring about appearances.
I'm confused
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #286) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:09 am

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Zyf I'm fucking busy and I don't want to gamethrow. Seriously, fuck you for getting annoyed with someone taking time to make a decision.
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #287) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:10 am

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In post 1691, Grendel wrote:@ Infinity, How far away are you from reaching a consensus?
Need to finish gamma/zyf ISO and quickly meta zyf then I'll be done
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Post Post #1699 (isolation #288) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:26 am

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1/3 through or somethig

It just depends, if I get time to do it, I'll finish it and ask all the questions I need to in a couple hours.
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #289) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:16 am

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The mini you linked
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #290) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:02 am

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I meant the newbie
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #291) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:12 pm

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Zyf why did you doubt gamma there
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #292) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:27 pm

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@grendel/skold Do you see a reason for scum!zyf to back off scum!gamma when what he was doing was working i.e. he was distancing himself from gamma and not getting anyone else to vote gamma.
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #293) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:31 pm

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I'm surprised neither of you have tried to address my reasons for townreading gamma/zyf.
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Post Post #1714 (isolation #294) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:33 pm

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@zyf When did you realize that this was only gamma's second mafia game (that's true right)?
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #295) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:39 am

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In post 1715, Zyf wrote:
In post 1711, Infinity 324 wrote:Zyf why did you doubt gamma there
it sounded like they were making sure I was town
when I should have already been conftown to them

why? because distrust increases over time in this game
Dude, gamma is conftown to you cause I am conftown.
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #296) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:40 am

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Silence: zyf
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #297) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:48 am

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I got that. I'm trying to see the other side.
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #298) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:57 am

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In post 1730, Grendel wrote:
In post 1713, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm surprised neither of you have tried to address my reasons for townreading gamma/zyf.
Yeah, having some trouble pinning Gam's scum intent because he has a lot of posts that looked, and still look, OBtown.

I could expand upon Zyf.

Are your reasons for town reading them still the same as they were? If not then an update would be cool.

Also, How do you feel about Zyf pushing for you to end the day asap, and Gamma's complacent play today?
Reasons for townreading them are basically the same, plus zyf's push on gamma didn't look staged.

Zyf pushing to end the day is annoying as fuck but suicidal if he's scum. (Well it really hurts town!him just as much, but it doesn't seem like a scum mindset to piss off the person that has to decide with you. Town tends not to pay attention to that stuff as much).
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #299) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:02 am

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I don't think that tone is scummy, maybe I'm biased. Town would be confident in his place too.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #300) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:20 pm

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In post 517, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Gally
Gally HAS been very quiet recently.

Why'd you sheep your scumread onto your townread here gamma
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #301) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:30 pm

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In post 1726, Zyf wrote:
In post 1725, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm gonna try to answer your question to Grendel and Skold, but from Town!Zyf and Town!Gamma perspective.
Zyf initially thought that you, Infinity, could be my scum buddy. However, when Rask and LUV, along with one other person I don't remember, maybe Gally, said my play wasn't scummy, Zyf realized that with five people unconvinced, he had no chance of actually causing a lynch.
and then considered that 80% of that group could not be scum if you were, thereby making it probably actually bad reasons
But if was just after your reads list where you said you townread him

Skold, by the way, make 100% sure your claim is accurate now.
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #302) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:30 pm

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In post 512, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, I see. Well, might as well revise my read list.
Town to scum
Infinity - probably town
Gally - decently town
LUV - decently town
Skold - slight town
Rask - slight town
Blackadder - null
Kyndy - null/slight scum
Zyf - slight scum

You, this reads list.
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #303) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:25 am

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I think he was joking about being a doc
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #304) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:26 am

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Then why'd you say that grendel lol
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #305) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:22 am

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Apparently people can't take time to make a decision.
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #306) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:35 am

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Not my fault I'm busy dude
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #307) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:46 pm

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I still can't see the first thing coming to someone's mind after getting a track clear on them is that they're scum.
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #308) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:47 pm

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@grendel Would you have expected zyf to make the kill if he was scum?
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #309) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:11 am

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Here's where I'm at right now.

I don't see anything in particular indicating skold or grendel is town, which bothers me. Usually for town I have at least a few things I can read people as town for. Instead, for grendel, I have the fact that he agreed with a lot of points already made (possible from town), small inconsistencies in thinking that aren't clear on the surface (also possible from town), the fact that he agreed on most things expect LUV and my alignment (which is a red flag since we were both likely mislynches, it makes sense as scum to use their thoughts if they were town but add in a couple scumreads. But this could still come from town). I value reactions to pressure very highly, and grendel's at the beginning of today seemed very unnatural.

For skold, he has gong for him the fact that he was blatantly anti-town, but he said himself that he was likely to do the same thing as scum anyway, and he may have justified it to himself as "I would do the same thing as town" if that makes any sense. In addition, it bothers me that he hasn't really scumhunted after d1, and he said his strategy only really applies to d1. Feels like using his playstyle as an excuse not to scumhunt. In addition, he criticized people's play quite a bit. I'm not sure why, but I find scum often like to do this.

Neither grendel nor skold have tried to reach out to me and the reasons I am leaning towards voting grendel, or shown the type of desperation I normally expect from town in danger of losing in lylo.

Zyf, by himself, I want to be wary of judging. I normally read aggressiveness and spontaneity as town, but he can fake both of those things as scum. But the interactions between him and gamma really didn't seem staged and seem like an unlikely scum ploy. I think zyf would be unlikely to randomly stop pushing gamma if they were scumbuddies. I've seen scum hardbus before, and usually they just kept their scumpartner as scum the whole time while voting town on the basis that they could be scumbuddies with the bussee or that the town was the busser' second preference or something like that. What zyf did could've drawn a ton of unnecessary attention to himself and gamma. In addition, I was scum in a recently completed game where zyf was town, and he was tunneling on me for a while and then switched townreading me suddenly. Later on, he got a lot of flak for doing that. I can't imagine scum!zyf wouldn't have thought of hat scenario when deciding to back of his scumbuddy, and it would make no sense or zyf to do something that had a big danger of drawing attention to him and gamma as a potential scumteam. As I've mentioned before, his lylo play would be incredibly ballsy if he were scum as well. So basically, unless zyf's testicles are as massive as his impatience, he has to be town.

Gamma, where do I start with him. A lot of things pinged me as town from the early game, he showed an constant desire to get the game moving which I as scum have found difficult to be motivated to do. He really put himself out there, wagon hopping and finding any possible little thing he could to push. I find noobscum tend to be scared of doing that, lack of experience tends to make people cautious. In additional, I find the level of manipulation he would have to have done to be scum is unreasonable. He had to have been able to completely deceive someone who has played with him in his only other scum game, fake townslip, and crumb cop believably. Some of this could be coached, but even for zyf it seems like a lot when zyf messed up a fakeclaim before, lol. Plus zyf couldn't have coached the townslip or gamma's overall play, really. I'm rarely wrong about my reads on noobs, especially townreads.

Oh and also zyf played the whole game believably not knowing that it was only gamma's second game which would certainly have been brought up in the scum chat.

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Post Post #1793 (isolation #310) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:03 am

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Yeah I'm waiting for final responses from grendel/skold but doubt they'll change my mind

I just want to make them feel like I made a fair decision, even if they're scum.
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #311) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:58 am

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VOTE: grendel
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Post Post #1804 (isolation #312) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:41 am

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Ok cool. gg guys

Gamma basically carried us, I had to make the right decision in lylo by the rest of the game I don't feel like we did that well. w/e, I'm proud of myself for calling the team at day start anyway, lol.

Specifically I didn't play d1 that well (I never play d1s well). Since no one really looked scummy at the time, I confbiased myself into pushing BBT. And day 2 was lol. I wish I could've defended LUV better on d1 at least.

I honestly don't know why I townread grendel at the beginning. He may have taken my thoughts and spun them in a way that it didn't feel like parroting, but they definitely didn't look as good the second time I looked at them.

So was it cop + 6 VTs vs. 2 goons?

Why'd you guys kill gally?

PEdit: what the hell skold, you did the same thing as grendel. You can't blame it on him...
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #313) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:49 am

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Also:
In post 566, Zyf wrote:Also i need more patience, jfc
In post 566, Zyf wrote:Also i need more patience, jfc
In post 566, Zyf wrote:Also i need more patience, jfc
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In post 566, Zyf wrote:Also i need more patience, jfc
In post 566, Zyf wrote:Also i need more patience, jfc
Sorry I got pissed at you zyf, but it's really annoying when you're tryinf to make sure you get something right and someone is constantly rushing you. (I hate being rushed)

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Post Post #1814 (isolation #314) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:07 am

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Well the question is whether you think I'm more likely to choose zyf/gamma over skold/grendel or me and zyf are more likely to choose one of us over you. Looking at it that way, doc claim seems better. After all, zyf was pretty suspicious of me d2 iirc.

Due to wifom the BP claim made me doubt myself though, since I had already said it was skold/grendel earlier.
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Post Post #1820 (isolation #315) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:17 am

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Lol I didn't treat that post as a scum claim

Tbf if grendel had acted the same way as skold I still would've hammered.

If gamma had been killed, yeah the game would've played out differently. I still would've had to try to fight my mislynch which grendel cleverly lined up, and who knows if zyf and gally would even trust each other. But it's always easy to say the PR was obvious in retrospect.
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #316) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:38 am

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In post 1833, Zyf wrote:yo wtf
where's xalxe
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #317) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:22 am

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No way...

Let me re-ISO to see if this makes sense
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #318) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:22 am

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jkjk

VOTE: skold
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #319) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:27 am

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Not overkill but that works
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #320) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:37 am

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Sick
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #321) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:52 am

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In post 1845, Gamma Emerald wrote:WHY DID SKOLD NOT KILL/BLOCK
He literally claimed scum, lol
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #322) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:59 am

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Rask, iirc your PoE pool wasn't too terrible.

High five for PoE buds!
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Post Post #1861 (isolation #323) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:20 am

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Haha that's ok

PEdit: and my bad on your push BBT.

Should've realized I didn't really have enough evidence.
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #324) » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:36 am

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That's true.

Especially when you townread almost everyone else.
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Post Post #1876 (isolation #325) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:16 am

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Yeah your catchup posts were really good imo.
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Post Post #1881 (isolation #326) » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:35 am

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In post 1877, Grendel wrote:Congrats combing through the game Infinity. Usually its the other way around at lylo. The "kingmaker" is usually the most complacent player letting the would be lynchees duke it out on their own.
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