Newbie 549: (Game Over)

[Rosso Carne]

/RAWR

[Rosso Carne]

vote: battousai

better claim bud.

[Rosso Carne]

Vote Russo

Might as well lynch someone, right?

That is some remarkably scummy logic, and a reckless lynch -1 vote too.

Unvote. Vote Powerful Wizard IRL.

I wasn't crazy about Rosso Carne's early bandwagon and demand for a claim, but it didn't seem quite this scummy. He's just an impatient jerk.

2nd vote means nothing, and if that person claimed then i may have blown a fuse.

but putting a 3rd vote on someone like that is inexcusable.

unvote, vote wizard

seriously this time, he needs to be lynched before his scum buddy can have ample bussing and distancing time.

[Rosso Carne]

Well, from what I know, what Russo did was a bad play. Reason being is that if he wasn't scum and neither was knight, then scum could have pilled on vote 3 and 4 and I'm out on the first page.

But then Sir Tornado did the same thing, and I give him the same reasoning and him and Russo are both ICs and they should know better hopefully.

Then PWIRL placed a THIRD vote on Russo. Extremely scummy, but since he's new and this might be his first game, that also leans on the opposited as Extremely newbish move.

Then the wheel spins back to Russo who placed a THIRD vote on PWIRL, and asks for him to be lynched, LYNCHED on PAGE 1! I give him the same paragraph as PWIRL, but minus the newbish move, since he's IRL.

What we need to do is to stop putting people at L-1 and instead lets use IGMEOY, FOS, SFOS, and HOS.

Right now, I upgrade my IGMOY to

SFOS: Russo

C9 101:
two townies on someone are an excellent position. if both scum pile on, you can bet that those two are going to be the ones lynched.

In fact, if wizard somehow wasnt scum, then the scum lost their best opportunity in not quicklynching me.

But I digress. Scum's best option is to have a town put on a 3rd vote early by mistake and then quicklynch. That way its 2vs1 on day 3 and the town has very little to go on. Then its a simple 3 person lylo situation where the town has no information beyond that of a cop.

so THAT is why putting a 2nd vote on is fine. I wasnt being serious asking for a claim, as i wouldnt ask for a claim either way, not in an open setup like this. But having a 2nd vote is no problem.

But having a 3rd vote this early is extremely bad for the town, and putting on that 3rd vote is the most horrible thing a townie could have done, and its just stupid. No townie would do is, and the only other option is wizard is scum.

[Rosso Carne]

That is what I was trying to point out and get a response from rosso. He places a third vote on someone on page 1 for putting a third vote on someone on page 1.

YES
YES
FUCKING YES I DID THAT!

What Wizkid did was ABSOUTELY ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY UNHELPFUL TO THE TOWN!

Know what that makes him?

FUCKING SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GODDAMNIT I FEEL LIKE LEWIS BLACK AT A KKK CONVENTION!!!

When you find scum, you lynch them, and when scum do something that blatantly scummy, YOU NEED TO LYNCH THEM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO THEIR PARTNER CANT DISTANCE!!!!

Welcome to mafia, hard truth, and if this game is lost because wizzy made a screw up move as a townie, then you all lynch me then thats life, but I assure you, what I'm doing is not scummy. Aggression is NOT SCUMMY!!!

I WANT THE SCUM DEAD! I WANT THE SCUM DEAD! I WANT THE SCUM DEAD!!!

HOW HARD IS THIS??????

[Rosso Carne]

That is what I was trying to point out and get a response from rosso. He places a third vote on someone on page 1 for putting a third vote on someone on page 1.

When you find scum, you lynch them, and when scum do something that blatantly scummy, YOU NEED TO LYNCH THEM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO THEIR PARTNER CANT DISTANCE!!!!

I get that, but wiz was scum and we lynched him then and there, how would day 2 go? His partner did not distance himself, but I have a hard time finding who his partner is from the LACK OF INFORMATION GIVEN ON THE PAGE. (I can use caps lock too )

Therefore, your reasoning is not just. I think you are trying to use your credibility as an IC to sway the noobs in the game to voting your way.

first of all, by distancing i mean the allowance of his scum buddy to be early on the wagon and not have attention drawn to him.

We're well past that point. Whoever wizzy's scum buddy is is long gone.

second, dont ever take my IC status as a way to win games. I'm here to teach so treat me like any other player, thanks.

[Rosso Carne]

Right now, Russo is the scummiest of anyone here, but we do not have much to go by on day 2 except PWIRL, unless Russo is scum. If Russo is scum, we have no information on anyone else.

Being that, I would like to broaden our eyes about to include in more players. I would like Sir Tornado and PWIRL/Replacement, to talk more, If they are active they are lurking and if not they are being unhelp ful

VOTE: Sir Tornado

Rosso



And to the meat, I dont understand why I'm scummy, except that you just continuously say im scummy.

I want to lynch someone who did a wrong, made a booboo, almost made a quicklynch.

quicklynches do NOT help the town, lynching quicklynchers are lynching people who do not help the town, and the only people that do not help the town are SCUM!

[Rosso Carne]

Ok
one more time for emphasis.

WHEN WIZZY QUICKLYNCHED, IT WAS FOR NO REASON. I WAS NOT SCUMMY. THERE WAS NO REASON IN THE WORLD TO PUT ME AT L-1.

WHEN I TURNED AROUND IT WAS BECAUSE WIZZY DID A BLATANTLY SCUMMY MOVE. WHEN YOU SEE SCUM, YOU LYNCH

SCUM

DEAD!!!!!!

The fact that this day has dragged on is flustering. Someone did a blatntly scummy thing and I want him lynched. aggression is not scummy. aggression with reason is the most townlike action one can ever undertake. im not afraid to be put in the spotlight, and anyone who thinks that my contribution is scummy needs to learn some basic mafia (oh look why youre here). If you're going to attack me, make it because i did something scummy, not because i put a scum at L-1.

[Rosso Carne]

tell me how ive contradicted myself please.

you all keep saying it but you dont give a real reason.

[Rosso Carne]

I'm busy till Wednesday courtesy a robotics event. A few things to go by though:

1) Quick lynches do not help town by any means. A page 1 lynch is crazy.
2) I can't see how putting someone on L-1 is a definite proof for scuminess. I simply don't follow Rosso's logic here.
3) Even if we manage to establish that putting someone on -1 is pure scum behaviour, Rosso's argument that quick lynches do not allow scum to distance themselves is preposterous. You rely on scum behaving differently than town to catch scum in mafia. Not allowing the scumbuddy to react even if you are sure someone is scum is not really wise.
4) Sadly, this does not give us any indication to Rosso's own alignment. IIRC, Rosso plays like this generally.

Rosso, in newbie games, there are many people who get put on -1 early on. I don't think all of them come out to be scum. What makes you so sure that PWIRL is scum?

theres no townly reason to put someone at L-1

ever.

period.

90% or better are scum, as no newbie town would ever {as can be seen from the amount of "youre aggressive, you must be scum" being thrown around}

[Rosso Carne]

you can't say that any mistake is a newbie mistake.

its not a defense.

if it were, can i jsut say i made a mistake because im old? no. and if i did id hope you would lynch me.

being a newbie is not an excuse. if newbie games teach anything its that.

[Rosso Carne]

You ignored my post rather elegantly Rosso.

i did didnt i?

simply stated, i found something that was blatantly anti-town, i jam it down the throats of that person, and i get attacked for me.

im narrow minded. thats why im the best. i found a target and ran with it, you cant blame me for it. theres no possible rationale of why people would have voted me for attacking someone who did something scummy. thats simply not scummy, in fact is basically the opposite of scummy.

wizzy/al screwed up and im calling him on it. no biggie, i just want him lynched.

[Rosso Carne]

the point is that when that happens, theres no room for discussion, as the partner has the wiggle room to distance big time. then instead of starting fresh day 2 theres unhelpful bias.

[Rosso Carne]

dont understand how you can attack me BECAUSE i attack a scummy person.

[Rosso Carne]

-_-

read people

i didnt want wizzy lynched on page 2.

I wanted him lynched by the middle of page 5.

theres a difference between quicklynching and quickpressuring with nkowing whos dying.

[Rosso Carne]

good.

no ones gonna follow me in that, so if im weak itll never happen.

think boy, its like you dont nkow human nature.

[Rosso Carne]

i kinda want a cop claim. in fact, i want 2 cop claims so then theres a definite scum among them.

[Rosso Carne]

=/

wishing i could counterclaim. that inv by batt isamong the most scummy things ive ever seen.

ill HAMMAH! though.

[Rosso Carne]

HAMMAH!

vote joan

[Rosso Carne]

this game should be a testament that pieC9 does not work.

[Rosso Carne]

if mafia rb dies then cop claim is auto win as long as no PR has died.

[Rosso Carne]

well there sould be no auto win condition at all.