Newbie 1822 | Eyes in the Fog - Game Over

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:00 am

Can you stop being slimy as fuck?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:03 am

Ok sure let's do it this way

Cop on me. Whether I live or die Ginn autodies tomorrow

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:18 am

Copping me is an awful idea because it guarantees scum kill me.

Jailkeep fine because it covers that but I should not be getting copped n1 and people know it.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:19 am

In post 1206, Virtuoso wrote:I'm never voting Gin. Ever.

Want to throw another game? That's how you do it.

Tunnel me and ignore all my reads despite them bring proved time and time again to be better than yours.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:39 am

In post 1216, Plotinus wrote:I think RC is scum.

pedit: not yet, virt, we're waiting for adlim/awoo to claim tracker.

well I'm not and it feels like you're baiting the invest onto me if I'm not PR because you want to nightkill me anyway

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:40 am

In post 1223, Plotinus wrote:i'm probably dying tonight. don't let RC slip away.

what the f is this?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:42 am

not if the PR ends up dead

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:43 am

In post 1227, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1224, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1216, Plotinus wrote:I think RC is scum.

pedit: not yet, virt, we're waiting for adlim/awoo to claim tracker.
well I'm not and it feels like you're baiting the invest onto me if I'm not PR because
you want to nightkill me anyway
I thought Gin was scum

ginn might be scum. I don't like the fact that scum whoever they are have free license to push an invest onto me for no reason and not get punished for it.
forcing an invest on me when I'm town should be something that people get lynched for doing.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:49 am

In post 1231, Plotinus wrote:
In post 1190, Plotinus wrote:
In post 31, Awoo wrote:Heck yeah, I'm in the game baby! I got pinged as potential alt and couldn't post.
VOTE: Musicjax for being too cute. This is not an RVS vote.
wait, awoo's town because he would've noticed he couldn't post in the PT in the pregame instead of noticing he couldn't post after game start. I don't want to stake the game on this but I don't want to forget about it either.

day 1: lynch clemency
night 1: investigate RC, someone unlynchable probably dies.

day 2: 6:1; claim if there's a guilty, maybe claim a no result, too. in the absence of claims, RC is conftown so lynch cabd, if there's a guilty on RC, lynch him obviously. probably game over here.
night 2: if RC is conftown, he probably gets killed. investigate me if I'm still around otherwise investigate whoever's scariest.

day 3: 4:1 someone scary is conftown, investigative should claim. lynch ginngie. game is almost certainly over by now.
night 3: Investigative dies.

day 4: 2:1 3p lylo with a conftown whee.
RC, I think if you were town you would either agree that my breaking strategy works or create a better breaking strategy.

there is no breaking strategy
if I were scum I would absolutely be attempting to skew night action decisions right now

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:50 am

only in the sense that I'm trying to not have a valuable investigative blown on a slot that I know is town?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:50 am

I don't think plot gets it because he doesn't understand night actions as well as I do.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:51 am

Don't take Clemency as his word lol

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:58 am

In post 1244, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1239, RadiantCowbells wrote:only in the sense that I'm trying to not have a valuable investigative blown on a slot that I know is town?
no one knows your town?

I do

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:59 am

If I'm getting copped I want Ginn copped (lynched if not copped Night 2, Plot lynched D2, Ginn lynched D3 if the cop ends up dead.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:59 am

In post 1253, Clemency wrote:
In post 1248, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1244, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1239, RadiantCowbells wrote:only in the sense that I'm trying to not have a valuable investigative blown on a slot that I know is town?
no one knows your town?
I do
Not to intervene, but a lot of people are kinda on to you.

it's okay I still got this

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:00 am

In post 1258, Ginngie wrote:RC you're going to have to get over the fact that I'm never getting lynched and you'll look like you're just whining.

I know I'm egging you on like I did in Spyro, but you gotta learn when the entire town knows what the fuck is up, you should just be humble for a second and move on or get lynched yourself :3

If you think that lynching me is to your wincondition then do it but I'm making 100% sure that you follow me

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:03 am

1263 didn't come from town.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:04 am

fuck you too

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:05 am

In post 1268, Virtuoso wrote:RC stop being so arrogant

it's a simple fact that if I were scum irregardless of Clemency scumclaiming I would just win this game.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:06 am

Here's the new breaking strategy

Cop RC N1
Lynch Plotinus D2
Cop Ginngie N2 (if alive)
Lynch Ginngie D3 if cop dead, otherwise Awoo
If cops still alive we have auto
Lynch Awoo D4

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:06 am

In post 1271, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1270, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1268, Virtuoso wrote:RC stop being so arrogant
it's a simple fact that if I were scum irregardless of Clemency scumclaiming I would just win this game.
you would unless a ~cop~ fucked that up

*hint hint*

nah if I were scum no one would be trying to cop me

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:06 am

In post 1274, Plotinus wrote:RC knows the primary way he loses is if he's copped

pedit: awoo is conftown.

no, he's really not and you can stop pushing that.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:07 am

In post 1272, RadiantCowbells wrote:Here's the new breaking strategy

Cop RC N1
Lynch Plotinus D2
Cop Ginngie N2 (if alive)
Lynch Ginngie D3 if cop dead, otherwise Awoo
If cops still alive we have auto
Lynch Awoo D4

If I die I'm confirmed town and I'm objectively the best player in the game.
You're doing this. I'm out.
Jailkeeper follows same progression except then we win most of the time.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:07 am

In post 1277, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1274, Plotinus wrote:RC knows the primary way he loses is if he's copped

pedit: awoo is conftown.
Agreed

No one cares what you agree with Awoo is objectively the scummiest player alive.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:10 am

It's 1veveryone because you made it 1veveryone. I'm not okay with a strategy that allows either you or Plotinus to win, then Awoo is far more likely to be scum than Cabd so I'm covering him as well.
I don't think that Cabd makes up a 'super sekrit' tell as scum and if he did he can have the win. None of you can.

So you lynch Awoo on the last day?

Setting up a lynch down the line?

I mean given that I'm being copped and am either conftown or dead: yes.

If he were scum, this would've come up pregame.

Okay, so it's just in you/Ginn then. Good to know. Still say to lynch him and assume that he didn't realize what to do about not being able to post in scum PT until later.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:11 am

In post 1283, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1279, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1277, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1274, Plotinus wrote:RC knows the primary way he loses is if he's copped

pedit: awoo is conftown.
Agreed
No one cares what you agree with Awoo is objectively the scummiest player alive.
Scummiest player alive yet you want to lynch Plot/Gin, two of the towniest people here?

how does a player with reads as bad as yours not realize that your opinions on who are town and scum are largely irrelevant to who is town and scum?

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:13 am

You locktown scum virtually every game and here you are insisting that both of the people with far more likelihood to flip scum than the rest of the game combined are town.

discrediting comes from town 100% of the time, right RC?

If I were scum I would think that he's just as bad as I do as town, just that I would be positioned perfectly fine for tomorrow.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:13 am

town is going to lose this

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:15 am

Oh and reminder to Virt: I've asked you to stop joining my games. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you've forgotten but I'm going to seek mod action if you do so again.

appeal to fear

Does it make you feel powerful to attack me like this? Idk what you're doing here if you're town.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:17 am

Don't lynch/cop Cabd ever.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:18 am

When I die, you know why the cop was put onto me.

no. I'm describing what you're doing. It's important to give names to things like this so we don't let them slide.

"let them slide"

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:22 am

because fmpov of the people in the lynchpool I dislike the prospect of scum!Cabd winning the game least.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:24 am

In post 1311, Virtuoso wrote:RC I've seen you lose games for town by faking guiltiest in townies. You're not a god and you need to stop being so arrogant.

this happened once and I was drunk and even when I was drunk I still said it was one of the girls ie I had the game PoEd to 2 people with 2 lynches to go.
I am not responsible for the actions of 1 newbie who was extremely overconfident in a terrible scumread on TRZ that lost us the game.
I only did what I did because Boon was trying to negotiate with Michael Lee to never lynch Theta Alpine even though she was in the 2 person PoE pool I had.

At least when I'm super drunk I'm still better than you are when sober

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:29 am

In post 1317, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1313, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1311, Virtuoso wrote:RC I've seen you lose games for town by faking guiltiest in townies. You're not a god and you need to stop being so arrogant.
this happened once and I was drunk and even when I was drunk I still said it was one of the girls ie I had the game PoEd to 2 people with 2 lynches to go.
I am not responsible for the actions of 1 newbie who was extremely overconfident in a terrible scumread on TRZ that lost us the game.
I only did what I did because Boon was trying to negotiate with Michael Lee to never lynch Theta Alpine even though she was in the 2 person PoE pool I had.

At least when I'm super drunk I'm still better than you are when sober

I'm gonna sig this after this game. But seriously how are they still letting you in the Newbie queue?

How did they let you IC?
Like my playstyle or not I taught a lot of people about mafia. A while back I went and did the math and newbies in my games are far more likely to stick around.
Having someone who knows what they're doing makes the game more exciting for everyone involved and makes people more interested in mafiascum as a site.
I understand that you're trying to provoke a fight with me and I seriously disbelief you didn't notice I was in the game: but sure do whatever.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:33 am

In post 1320, Plotinus wrote:RC, they let ika IC. it's not about skill it's about knowing enough about how to use the forum and enough about the newbie setup to explain what counterclaiming etc is.

ICs have a responsibility to teach play beyond an ultra simplistic level fmpov. And I'm not the reason that we're having this discussion so.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:43 am

In post 1318, RadiantCowbells wrote:sure do whatever.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:57 am

...You were only supposed to claim tracker.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:58 am

In post 1328, adilm29h wrote:I AM JAIL BLOCKER MASTER

Me or Plotinus. Out who you're going to target.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:59 am

Adilm. Me or plotinus. You can confirm one of the two of us as town.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:59 am

But you need to out your target now.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:00 am

If you out your target we have 3 living confirmed town tomorrow. If you don't we have none.

Just pick someone. I prefer PLotinus, the rest of the game prefers me, but we need to nkow.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:04 am

If you do not name a target we are all assuming that you jailkept me given that was the consensus.

If I am scum you are giving me a free win by not naming a target.

Please name one.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:12 am

No lynching me.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:18 am

Hypo then NL

Cabd was town for a reason.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:20 am

In post 1364, Virtuoso wrote:We're 5-1 thanks to Gin's careless mistake if we mislynch we're 2-1

The last thing I want is to be in a 3 way with Plot and RC

Keep out of game shit out of the game okay?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:21 am

Inno plotinus

No it's done now so we don't risk shitpushing and outing the cop

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:24 am

No if cop isn't dead tomorrow they out.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:26 am

Would be sacrificing a mislynch.

Let's go

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:26 am

Actually cheeky and afilm need to hypo

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:31 am

Pointing out that Cabd was town and I saw that coming a mile away.

Obviously I'm not getting shot with the scumreads on me but Awoo is my top Lynch / check.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:33 am

Plot: how would you have townread me this game?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:34 am

It's Awoo so

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:39 am

How is that sentencing you to death lol

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:43 am

Shooting the check kills one clear. Shooting the cop kills two.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:45 am

In post 1396, Plotinus wrote:
In post 1386, RadiantCowbells wrote:Plot: how would you have townread me this game?
I want to answer this properly, but I need to go to bed soon and I'm not at my most coherent right now.

There was a bit around the time clemency scumclaimed where it felt like you were trying to refind your path to lylo now that he was gone. all of us were trying to narrow it down and you were trying to open it up. and something about the emotions you were feeling at the time made more sense from scum than town. if I reread I'll be able to my finger on it more clearly; haven't thought about this game in a few days.

pedit: adilm, hypoclaim. if you're the cop, say who you checked for real and what the result was. if you're not the cop, say who you would've checked and that they are town. don't indicate whether or not you are the cop.

For the record this is straight up a playstyle tell.

When I get into a really strong position as town I always start opening up and making sure absolutely all of my assumptions are true.

I want to be sure I'm winning.

You can scumread the flail but I just don't deal well with scumreads I can't understand and I won't ever start to.
,

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:00 am

Not supposed to ask that Virt.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:05 am

Cheeky is awesome she better come back.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:07 am

It really is just Awoo though lol

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:08 am

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:13 am

Have you brushed your cats teeth?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:20 am

Such help wow

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:27 am

I'm jealous. I dream my mom's cats sometimes but they are far less helpful

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:36 am

This is now meowfia

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:41 am

Cheeky do you TR me?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:44 am

No lynching is a good idea because we don't lose any mislynches but increase the odds of lynching scum tomorrow, even if the cop dies.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:56 am

No one claimed to check Awoo so I would be fine lynching them.

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:06 am

Alright let's just NL.

Can everyone send Creature a PM asking for expedited night?

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:30 am

Aww. *hugs*

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:33 am

Please submit requests for shortened night btw.

VOTE: NL

RadiantCowbells · Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:36 am

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:05 am

I believe today cop outs honestly so we can discuss the game honestly.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:10 am

Would Plot try to bait a SHC inno?

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:12 am

Seer hunt check: kill Virtuoso because it soft clears you since he claimed an inno on you so if you were scum you would know that.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:14 am

Not cheeky?

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:18 am

I mean I hope it's adlim because should be good if it is

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:19 am

That's the point. softccleae yourself and try to win no4

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:02 am

I agree. I don't think you're scum fwiw so if you are you played really well.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:03 am

Feel like it's just awoo

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:09 am

Everyone who isn't Awoo should be town

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:12 am

Awoo please claim not cop

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:14 am

Well that's the only situation where town was likely to lose

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:15 am

Adilm is autowin but I question the odds that he claimed jailkeeper as cop and baited the kill via the wrong claim so
much more likely to be cheeky and I have copread her play since the beginning of the game

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:18 am

I didn't know she was cop until after

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:19 am

I think that she's cop because of how she acted yesterday.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:20 am

Listen I'm just trying to convince Cheeky that I would have known she was cop in case she actually is the cop. It's towards my and town's win condition to towntell as hard as possible to her.

My story doesn't have to be accurate if it makes her townread me, y'know?

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:22 am

In the interests of full disclosure it's sort of obvious that Adilm was actually the cop by how he claimed yesterday and I feel like Plotinus would have seen that if they were scum. Cheeky might not have, but if Cheeky's scum the game's already over.
But if Cheeky is cop massively wifoming then it's not autowin for town because she'll have an inno on dead and an inno on Awoo: so (awoo, cheeky) conftown with me, plot, adilm left.

If we get to that situation: town automatically wins if Plot and Adilm both get lynched. If it's not that situation: the game is already over. So I'm playing for that situation.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:22 am

Maybe that honesty will be townread <3

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:12 am

ty for townreading me <3

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:36 am

Adilm!

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:37 am

told ya

VOTE: Awoo

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:38 am

Cheeky hammer or no longer friends

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:42 am

was getting 1811 flashbacks

everyone wanted trying to lynch someone who was obvtown (cabd)
everyone kept scumreading me for literally no reason besides paranoia (wheme & co)
everyone kept insisting the person who was obviously scum was town (awoo)

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:42 am

well everyone being virt and plot and it was frustrating.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:44 am

cheeky hard mvp reads wise

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:01 pm

I was bad but I wasn't that bad!

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:03 pm

well u had a good doc save

sorry for not townreading you I was freaking out at everyone pushing on me

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:20 pm

In post 1512, CheekyTeeky wrote:Plot you're such a scum blocker lol. Bitch eating crackers! It's my own fault for the poor case on Awoo, I'll work on that. Also it was pretty clever that Awoo pulled the I couldn't post gambit + covered his ass with a post in the help thread...unless that was for real and scum didn't plan pregame? If not that makes sense why the relationship would've been so hard to spot D1.

Awesome game everyone!

super fantastic job. Sorry that my read on Clemency was bad

.

I do want to take credit for the Awoo lynch though. As soon as Clemency was confirmed scum I knew Awoo was partner.

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:06 pm

I can try to explain why I knew you were scum Awoo?

Also Cheeky sorrryyy I will not push you anymore

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:09 pm

Didn't you scumread me?

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:13 pm

I thought I did at the time

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:20 pm

Well you were super, super impressive in this game and keep up the good work!

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:34 pm

Well if you don't want it I own't put in the work

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:13 pm

In post 1530, Plotinus wrote:and sorry i got paranoid of you, RC. you were paranoid of me for not being paranoid enough of you earlier on and then you didn't like the paranoia when it showed up. sorry about that.

I think in my heart I would never have lynched you this game

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:13 pm

Any time I had some distance from the game I was like wf hes so town

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:22 pm

I mean I kept scumreading him on and off early so

RadiantCowbells · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:23 pm

I would be interested if you can put words to your scumread on me now?

RadiantCowbells · Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:31 am

If anyone wants my feedback as well lmk

RadiantCowbells · Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:41 am

You aren't newbies t_t

(I'll get to it soon though)

RadiantCowbells · Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:46 am

I will. I just thought it was amusing.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:51 am

I think fair compensation in the form of cat pictures is reasonable.

RadiantCowbells · Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:20 am

aww.

okay I'll get to this.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:32 pm

This tonight!

RadiantCowbells · Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:10 pm

@Virtuoso

You did good at some of the clears. I think that you should focus less on logic and thought process (which led you wrong several times in games that I've seen with you) and more on 'wouldnt do x as scum' which has worked out for you.

The way you dealt with me was mixed. I feel like you should have stuck with the fact that you correctly recognized that there was a lot that I just wouldn't have done as scum, rather than repeatedly get drawn back into paranoia like you unfortunately did. I wasn't sure what to do to change that read because it felt like on some level you'd consciously recognize that i wasn't scum but unconsciously you just refuse to lose to me as scum. Which is problematic. No point in going over this though.

Your focus on the 'do better than me' is especially good: that's a really telling phrase. You didn't originate the focus but it was a strong direction.
HOWEVER. I strongly believe that he would NOT have said that if the buddy has been either me or Plotinus. Because then he'd recognize that he's calling us out! Whereas with Awoo, it doesn't necessarily point to him, so OK. He didn't think through the clears, but.

Generally I feel like your issues in the game revolved around that you see things a lot at face value and kind of view people mechanically and that isn't quite how most people work. Thought processes being logical isn't really a reason to townread/scumread someone, it's just a thing that exists. I think you would do well to stop focusing so much on the what of mafia games and start thinking of why (this). Like thought processes for cases can catch some scum but more important is what's going through their head when their writing specific posts, what causes them to frame things certain ways, certain diction etc. Like

In post 1241, Virtuoso wrote:
In post 1237, Clemency wrote:There's no rb in this game.
Awesome that gives town quite a bit of information.

Cop should never claim without a guilty since that would mean no doc. Jailkeeper jails and gets confirmed town if there's a NK

In post 1245, Virtuoso wrote:Clemency's statement probably means there is a RBer

Even from confirmed scum your first reaction is face value rather than thinking through it. I think that's a tendency in your play writ large.

RadiantCowbells · Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:17 pm

I got busy and it's past my bedtime. More feedbacks later.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:04 pm

I'll do this.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:12 pm

@Plotinus

Your scumread on Music was the first thing that I came to and it was problematic. I really feel like in a large part you scumread him because he was different and you couldn't understand him and it felt 'wrong' to you rather than having a concrete reason to think that he was scum. Definitely scum and all the monikers that you used are ones that I think that you should be slower to point out and I feel like that applies to your read on me later in the day too: while it was sweet that you said that I could not count this on my W/L, it was totally just pigeonholing me as lockscum and I didn't know how to respond to that. I vaguely believe based on past recollection that that's a consistent problem with you where you slot people as scum and have trouble unslotting them as scum and that's definitely something that you should work on. Besides that, your read development was good, I liked your approach to trying to create content and how you dealt with a lot of the newbies in the game and your read on Cheeky was really solid and one of the reasons that I kept not-thinking you were scum. I note that you incorrectly locked Adilm based on setup spec (no bueno) that essentially constituted angleshooting and not only was it wrong but it felt very outside of the spirit of the game and I was not at all a fan of that direction. I did, in general, like the way that you dealt with my slot and I would have been interested in playing more games with you and figuring you out in general if I was sticking around. Overall I do think you played well though.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:17 pm

Locked awoo based on setup spec*

RadiantCowbells · Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:21 pm

@Cheeky

Fantastic performance on many levels. Your reads in general were pretty amazing and I would slot you as the #1 reason that we ended up winning the game, considering that you made Clemency forfeit and were a strong proponent of the Awoo lynch. I could gush over how good your scumhunting was but I believe that you already know that your scumhunting is good and I don't feel like inflating your ego so I'll focus on what you did wrong. Well first on that topic you did back off of Awoo at first and you were a little weak about pushing it. But otherwise I think my main problem with the game was how you dealt with my push on you. A lot of the blame is mine based on how I approached your slot and I've sort of gotten a hang of that and made personal decisions about how I'm supposed to deal with you, but I do feel like your approach was problematic. You sort of stopped fighting and AtEing and kind of let the lynch go through and that's wrong. If you had had your way I would have been lynched after most likely and we would have lost you carrying your game. Fighting to defend yourself doesn't always look like a bloody war and there's plenty of ways to do it but what you did was basically just lying down for most of it and that's not good. I do think you got your shit together and started towntelling again later, but please don't do that.

And yeah you were great.

RadiantCowbells · Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:07 pm