Newbie 1822 | Eyes in the Fog - Game Over

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:21 am

I think no lynch should be done in MYLO, not now.

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:23 am

oh. I guess that makes sense.

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:28 am

also if someone has a guilty they out because that's game over. #statingtheobvious

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:32 am

finishing that thought: so if you don't have a guilty, hypo an innocent and treat that person as town for now so scum can't narrow it down.

hypoclaims
Player	N1
adilm29h	?
Awoo	Virtuoso, town
CheekyTeeky	?
Plotinus	Virtuoso, town
RadiantCowbells	Plotinus, town
Virtuoso	Plotinus, town

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:41 am

In post 1386, RadiantCowbells wrote:Plot: how would you have townread me this game?

I want to answer this properly, but I need to go to bed soon and I'm not at my most coherent right now.

There was a bit around the time clemency scumclaimed where it felt like you were trying to refind your path to lylo now that he was gone. all of us were trying to narrow it down and you were trying to open it up. and something about the emotions you were feeling at the time made more sense from scum than town. if I reread I'll be able to my finger on it more clearly; haven't thought about this game in a few days.

pedit: adilm, hypoclaim. if you're the cop, say who you checked for real and what the result was. if you're not the cop, say who you would've checked and that they are town. don't indicate whether or not you are the cop.

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:44 am

hypoclaims
Player	N1
adilm29h	?
Awoo	Virtuoso, town
CheekyTeeky	?
Plotinus	Virtuoso, town
RadiantCowbells	Plotinus, town
Virtuoso	Plotinus, town

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Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:48 am

I guess that makes sense. Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to point at specifics tomorrow if/when I have time instead of going off memory. I'd like to be able to read you better.

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:58 am

just waiting on cheeky, then we no lynch

Hypoclaims
Player	N1
adilm29h	RC, town
Awoo	Virtuoso, town
CheekyTeeky	?
Plotinus	Virtuoso, town
RadiantCowbells	Plotinus, town
Virtuoso	Plotinus, town

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:01 am

yeah. don't answer, adlim.

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:11 am

In post 1410, Virtuoso wrote:Cheeky hasn't been on since Wednesday, has she?

Cheeky posted on site yesterday? *confused*

oh, yesterday was wednesday.

imma just brush my teeth and call it a night.

Plotinus · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:19 am

Nah. but they "help" with the teeth brushings:

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:11 am

agree.

also:

v/la until Monday.

had a bad enough fall this morning that I thought I had broken my arm. I no longer think it's broken but I'm still in a distracting amount of pain.

pedit: what does SHC mean?

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:13 am

if I were scum I'd've shot adlim, my best guess for cop. virt was obviously not the cop given his questioning of adlim.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:18 am

no. adlim claimed on day 1, too. felt like he didn't understand the setup and how to claim. then he was the first to say "I am the cop" on day 2 and it again felt like he didn't understand what hypoclaiming was and was doing it wrong. when cheeky claimed, it felt like she was provoding cover for him. i guess it could be cheeky, though?

or awoo, since someone mentioned they were online during night 1 which generally means one of two things? If I were scum, I'd also know that whoever had claimed an inno on me wasn't the cop?

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:24 am

hypoclaims
Player	N1
adilm29h	RC, town
Awoo	Virtuoso, town
CheekyTeeky	Virtuoso, town
Plotinus	Virtuoso, town
RadiantCowbells	Plotinus, town
Virtuoso	Plotinus, town

pedit: Even if that softcleared me, which it doesn't, a live cop means 2? 3? clears vs 1 scum. that's not winnable.

if adlim is cop then there are either 3 conftown alive right now or there is 2 conftown and 1 confscum, if he got a guilty.

if cheeky or awoo is cop then scum is in a slightly better but still bad position.

I know I'm bad at night actions but not bad enough to kill Cabd and Virtuoso.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:29 am

oh. i think i understand what seer hunt clear means now. it took me a while of thinking about it to figure it out.

i think in this game state trying to seer hunt clear yourself instead of just plain seer hunting would be a bad move.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:17 am

new title (Goon instead of townie) and access to the GTKAS and speakeasy areas. (not automatically, you have to apply on the link.

pedit: why were you pushing her earlier if you thought she was the cop? to provide cover for her or something else?

pedit: oh yeah that too.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:29 am

I guess I can follow that logic (though the last line only makes sense from the perspective of knowing your own alignment?).

if adlilm is not the cop i would be willing to lynch him. i don't remember understanding the scumcase on awoo beyond PoE but i'll try to understand it later.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:32 am

In post 31, Awoo wrote:Heck yeah, I'm in the game baby! I got pinged as potential alt and couldn't post.
VOTE: Musicjax for being too cute. This is not an RVS vote.

i really think this means awoo is town.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:48 am

VOTE: Awooooooooooooooo

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:10 pm

You were great Cheeky!

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:11 pm

and sorry i got paranoid of you, RC. you were paranoid of me for not being paranoid enough of you earlier on and then you didn't like the paranoia when it showed up. sorry about that.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:12 pm

In post 1516, Awoo wrote:"I couldn't post gambit"

I wasn't lying. It's possible to post in private topics if you're pinged as a potential alt, which I was.

I'm just mad that I didn't get to play mafia, I was doing well until I became a serial killer.

I learned something new!

I thought you were doing really well. I hope your next scumgame will feel more like a scumgame. This game was pretty weird.

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:12 pm

thanks for modding, Creature

Plotinus · Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:18 pm

thanks RC.

mafia is hard. i have been townreading scum a lot lately.

I definitely get the associatives case for awoo and now i know about the PT thing but his play otherwise seemed really town to me. I guess it doesn't matter now since the game is over but I thought he did really well.

Plotinus · Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:29 pm

In post 1537, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would be interested if you can put words to your scumread on me now?

It started after Clemency scumclaimed and I looked and saw how you'd done a really good job of diverting attention away from him, just insisting that he was town and not allowing anyone to attack him -- I had been behaving similarly and I knew that but it's how I treat people I have a strong townread on when I'm town and sometimes, in games that I think I can get away with it, it's how I would treat a weaker buddy. It's risky because if they flip scum then you're in trouble but it can be a useful part of teaching newbies how to play scum -- helping them float a bit while you provide distraction and control the town. You said that if you were scum your associatives would be better but I would totally say that too if I were scum? And sometimes it would be true? But there are only so many ways you can treat a partner: you can be simply townreading them (fine if there are reasons but Clemency was doing literally nothing) or you can preparing to bus them but not pushing them yet (looks bad if you get caught) or you can be actively bussing them (your roleblocker? on day 1? suicide.) A good player is going to have a variety of ways they treat their buddies, but we were both townreading him for basically no reason -- we liked his tone, we liked his audacity and his brazen monologuing about how he was doing nothing.

And then it bothered me that you didn't want to be copped. I know that being copped doesn't help

you

solve the game because you already know your own alignment, but if you acknowledge that you're a good player who could fool most of the people here then you should understand why we want you investigated. I was willing to be investigated even though I already knew that I was town because I knew that my empty townread on Clemency looked bad. It's fine to be wrong about someone -- town is wrong all the time, but being wrong about a read that it didn't really make sense to have it what got my paranoid even though I was in the same boat.

And then I kinda got paranoid about the Cabd kill because in nat geo you were killing SEs who hadn't contributed enough or who had contributed badly, and I sort of patternmatched that to the IC having been fairly inactive too -- but I should've realised that killing Cabd pointed more strongly at a newbie.

Plotinus · Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:37 am

me too

Plotinus · Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:43 am

you don't have to if you don't feel like it.

Plotinus · Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:49 am

Yeah, it is amusing.

Plotinus · Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:02 am

oh gosh lemme upload this vid i just took of the kitten.

Plotinus · Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:18 am

he does this repeatedly, bringing the toy to me and refusing to let me use the computer because he wants to play, but growling and swiping at me when i try to take the toy away from him. there's a reason i'm wearing a glove. but then i do finally get it away from him and he loves running to fetch it and knows to bring it back for me to throw it again.