Newbie 1852: Game over

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

apologetic tone forced pls lynch jfsf

My first post was going to be "I'm fucking sorry do I know you?"

But that sounded more hostile than sarcastic. I'm still going to vote you.

VOTE: RC

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I am going to omgus vote the first player that notes I never actually put a reason to vote RC in that post.

Have a nice day.

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VOTE: James Brafin

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So I was about to note I was voting JB for not voting me but still shading me, but that seems to have changed.

James, your trichotomy is strange. How is saying I'm going to omgus aggressive? Omgus is pretty common in RVS. How am I not taking the game seriously? Why does scum say they're going to omgus over town?

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That's what happens when you play with me. Better luck next time!

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I don't think James is scum from their push anymore. I'll double check what you saw on him, but it makes zero sense to retract your claim so early if you're fishing for reactions.

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Why do you only benefit from claiming here? Also, I'm pretty sure I know your role now. If you want to know why, 'Ferno and I are buds. That's all you should need to know.

1) it makes sense to be suspicious of you being the only benificary of your claim. You should be playing as a team, particularly as scum.

2) who is ferno?

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I'm not up to speed on the new setup to dig through what RC is doing right now. I honestly forgot the setup changed and just assumed matrix 6 till he mentioned breaking it.

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Why would you only expect a Tracker to cc if there's several valid cc's?

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Um...unless there's never a Tracker in this setup, you would have to know of a pr to know that

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So, by valid cc, I mean a possible role that town could have to be able to cc you with

I'm really not convinced that you as town fish for a Tracker CC but don't anticipate this outing other roles too.

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I can keep poking holes at this but it probably just boils down to "yeah, RC is reckless sometimes"

I think RC, James, and the confused dude (sorry I forgot your name) are town.

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Anyway VOTE: brassherald

They've done nothing other than try to regress the game hack to rvs.

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I've already explained why I read jame's suspicion as legitimate. If you want to pressure James you there's plenty of fish in the rest of the town to rally with. I'm not faking a read for a reaction test.

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Although I can respect impede not wanting to commit to early reads, I would still expect them as town to have suspicions that don't involve chastising RC.

Brass made a pretty meh case against kiana, but they otherwise look town now.

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My vote will probably end up on impede, but I would like to look at the james/kiana argument again.

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Will be waiting for Huntress and RadiantCowbells.

This is a strange call-out.

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VOTE: impede for now.

I don't believe jame's points on kiana, which mostly revolve around what looks logical/illogical and how that relates to alignment. I don't like their inability to form reads though. I'm not ready to attribute that to scum yet though. If kiana is new to the game and just got drilled that hard, their interaction with James could be town.

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Oh. There's also that soulshade read list. Everyone is a null/town lean???

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So reading RC vs Kiana was a waste of my time

Interested as to why huntress thinks JB is scum.

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Don't chain lynches

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Lots has happened during my date night last night. I'm closer to null on James right now than before because some really good points were made about him.

That being said, there is one person who posted a few times and I still don't feel good about.

VOTE: Huntress

Something feels off with her posts, and while I cannot quite put my finger on it, I'm going to go with my gut instinct for her. Still FoS at Kiana.

Early game poe leaves me suspicious, and I don't think your town cases are convincing enough to follow through voting like this.

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VOTE: kiana

This is L2

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Did you say something

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The worst

I'm concerned about kiana not being able to form reads and only seeming to show up when called out now

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Oh

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You're stalling

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The text generator vote on huntress bothers me because they have felt under the radar this whole game. I'll have to check to see if there's more to that than (relatively) low activity.

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Yeah that was a strange call out. One flipping scum implicates the other

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Mafia is asymmetric by nature. I don't follow what falls out of this

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I can play a pretty aggressive scum game where I split hairs to win arguments, and I kind of get that vibe from bk444. I haven't actually tried to understand the semantics of his arguments though. That's going to be on the back burner with a dissection of why text makes me uncomfortable.

I'm very much playing a lazy game at the moment, but outside of mafia I've been very mentally fatigued, and reserving the times I'm able to focus for school.

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I have yet to figure that out.

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I have a train ride to do my iso stuff on Saturday.

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665 is like three paragraphs with no reads and a vote

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Full catch up will be tomorrow as promised.

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I'm not fond of a compromise compromise lynch onto a lurker D1 in the slightest.

I know I said I was going to check the semantics of BK's arguments but after seeing more of his posting I don't find this necessary. I've never considered omgus a scumtell, and in this case particularly it looks like aggression and immaturity more than scum. Honestly, I'm suspicious of this all being framed as read 180s without any context of the bigger picture.

I still have noting on text. That's my next endeavor.

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Oh, text claimed doc

My life is much easier now

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I actually might be more sympathetic to the huntress lynch given the circumstances, but I want to think more on it.

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Caught up quickly. If anyone is waiting on something from me I missed it.

I agree with Flub, OMGUS is garbage as a standalone scumtell. If anything it seems slightly more intuitive for town to OMGUS vote. still a flimsy tell at best.

BK's OMGUS 180 thing isn't related to my scumread on him. He seems to be coasting by throwing shade for the most part. It's actually his flip flops and moves around other wagons which have been bothering me.

Still feel eeehhh about Huntress. RC are you waiting for something from her or am I brainfarting?

Very interested to see what James comes up with post VLA.

So, the 180 thing isn't scummy, but all the other 180 things are?

VOTE: the worst

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I suppose a huntress lynch wasn't a bad idea

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We're well past making reads off of single posts

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Yawn

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Deadline ends in 2 days

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VOTE: the worst

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as is worst and huntress (both been super active and scumhunting)

I'm sorry what

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Well, "super active" is a stretch, I suppose. But when the have been active, they have hunted. You, on the other hand, don't strike me as working very hard to out scum.
@RC: I thought you had an innocent on Kiana? (Making my scumteam flubber/soul the scumteam. I misread your post, sry.)

Your accusations are arbitrary.

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I'm not seeping kk the worst. Your play is lacking and I offensive. You should have been lynched yesterday.

On a side note, bk444 solely got lynched because he sounded like a douche. The reasoning was secondary.

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*lacking and inoffensive

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I'm sorry does one need to be offensive to be town?
The only people I have any intention of offending are stupid assholes who think "nice" people are exclusively scum.

I don't mean offensive as in caustic. It's more how safe you're playing the game. Nothing felt like a commitment or push from you yesterday.

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I like huntress and and you for scum and you're basically asking a non-question there.

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I'm sorry does one need to be offensive to be town?
The only people I have any intention of offending are stupid assholes who think "nice" people are exclusively scum.

I don't mean offensive as in caustic. It's more how safe you're playing the game. Nothing felt like a commitment or push from you yesterday.

By that logic do you townread yourself?

Yes, and if by some anti-miracle the town finds some veracity in your current push I'll detail it.

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If you're not pushing me right now you're wasting time.

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I suppose that's fair, though it doesn't convince me you're town.

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VOTE: kk

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Kiana are you counterclaiming or not.

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Despite reservations of scum, I'm sorry to see her go.
However, though I feel that most replaces are NAI, this one strikes me as scum-aligned. Replacing out because "the game is bad" and "you are dead to me" is kind of weak.

uh, no. there was no pressure on kiana at all

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VOTE: the worst

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Despite reservations of scum, I'm sorry to see her go.
However, though I feel that most replaces are NAI, this one strikes me as scum-aligned. Replacing out because "the game is bad" and "you are dead to me" is kind of weak.

uh, no. there was no pressure on kiana at all

first off: unvote

second off: this not followed by a vote?

I have two scum reads, and I don't think scum posts a rapid fire of posts that can quickly be looked up as bullshit. I've actually pushed through a mislynch as scum doing that before.

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Anyway, your reaction schtick is boring me. And it's stupid to think voting me is going to get you a readable reaction from me. The correct play as either alignment is to wait for you to confirm whether or not your guilty is on me and cc vote you if you say it is.

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You're doing the thing again

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I wouldn't mind soul shader at L1 rn

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Flubber what's your TW read

What this tells me is that you're more concerned with being the center of attention than garnering reactions.

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VOTE: RC

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Flubber what's your TW read

What this tells me is that you're more concerned with being the center of attention than garnering reactions.

like wtf is this post

I have the worst as a scum read

I've had them as a scum read for a while

I was voting them for the longest time. I even put them at L1 to your frustration.

But yes, in spite of all of that, keep telling yourself that asking for my read on them is a meaningful endeavor

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VOTE: the worst

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Guess right now is TW flubber

and he had to make a point of expressing his displeasure

No, I went back and re-read 1295. I misunderstood it as you doing some signature fake guilty RC thing

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Flubber what's your TW read

What this tells me is that you're more concerned with being the center of attention than garnering reactions.

like wtf is this post

I have the worst as a scum read

I've had them as a scum read for a while

I was voting them for the longest time. I even put them at L1 to your frustration.

But yes, in spite of all of that, keep telling yourself that asking for my read on them is a meaningful endeavor

which reads of yours have changed? all game? jw

They haven't changed much. That makes sense based on my analysis of the bk444 lynch

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Can you confirm your investigation result?

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Red maybe be onto something f with kiana. I started looking at all of their RC interactions as town without really considering the rest of their play.

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lol you missed rc's pro strat

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VOTE: navneet

Not the biggest fan of this lynch, but the kk case is good, and this is the most viable wagon w/ two days left.

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That's L1 by my count

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This is the second time a quirky player has been lynched last minute. This is a, scum driven pattern.

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You should probably say more than just linking the ISOs

I'm down to lynch huntress. The way they snuck onto the Bk444 lynch was pretty bad. At this stage in the game, the worst is still scummy, but the voting looks less damning.

Unfortunately the way soulshader self voted really throws off any wagon analysis there, so I didn't see much of importance

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Well some additional context would be that bk444 scum reads were trash

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There is less than zero reason for scum to bus right now

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No, but some SvS combat early in D3 could protect you both and make you look townie.
BTW, I'm super paranoid in Lylo, so expect some crazy-ass crap from me today.

1) Come lylo, town and scum playing to wincon look pretty much the same, and you shouldn't be using developments from it to formulate reads.

2) Because of 1, crazy ass crap is unacceptable.

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Cool. I'm voting huntress in 24h

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VOTE: huntress

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Flubber, you do realize that this does nothing for you, right? If Huntress doesn't get speed hammered, it puts at least 1 scum between her and you. All you are doing is narrowing down our lynch pool to her and you today, and I think others agree with me when I say you are the higher-canidate lynch today.

You're talking all kinds of shit yet not progressing the game. I'm not letting this stagnate. As far as I am concerned, if I am wrong here, the game is already lost. And honestly, if you think I'm the better lynch to huntress, town deserves the loss.

VOTE: huntress

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Same

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Anyway, can someone explain to me how the player that hasn't explained a single read the entire game is the less viable lynch here?

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Not only is it huntress/TW, but I'm calling it now that we lynch one of them, Kat eats the nk, and then the remaining one of the two tries to push on me again

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that'd be throwing if we lynch huntress lol

Um?

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I can't tell whether you're saying town or scum is throwing there because calling it a throw in any context seems nonsensical anyway

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Oh, I considered your lack of hammer a confirmation of your slot. That doesn't make sense if this cross hit scum. Mental lapse on my part.

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this doesn't come from newbie scum and i'm baffled no one had anything to say about worst's hammer here considering the wagon is literally all flipped town except for him

Yeah that happens when you let people crowd the thread likes it's their own personal chat room

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That was more towards RC/KK than you

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I never said the issue was spam a

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I never said the issue was spam a

this doesn't come from newbie scum and i'm baffled no one had anything to say about worst's hammer here considering the wagon is literally all flipped town except for him

Yeah that happens when you let people crowd the thread likes it's their own personal chat room

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You didn't even have to read the meaningless drivel to know it was there

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VOTE: TW

Note there will be a lack of a quickhammer

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I have nothing to add at this point

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Is there a reason you decided to case me until we both had to prioritize staying alive to achieve wincon?

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Kat, lemme know if I actually need to respond to that, because it's very blatantly the same kind of flooding I did in out last game together, and a lot of it is pants on head wrong.

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Quickhammer? You're the only one on huntress right?

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Right. I'm only giving this half attention as I'm at work atm

VOTE: huntress

But again, there will be no quickhammer.