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Post #373 (isolation #2) » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:31 pm
Postby the worst »
I'm so nervous about hardreading RC but I hooooope he's town. Also I think he probs is. Soul feels different from our last game together and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Last game he was so unconsciously adorably obvtown that even scum!me felt it was appropriate to out it xD. Not sure if his air or confidence this game is necessarily a town tell or a scum tell but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on.
KK is rly uncomfortable for me. Her play is very transparent and like borderline clumsy sometimes but there's something about her posting style that feels so methodical and calculated that I am passively aware my ability to toneread is operating at 20%. That being said I feel she's town motivated so far.
I really need to analyse intention further in the KK vs. James situation. As I read my gut was screaming that KK was scumhunting and James was trying to discredit/ser up a ML.
But so far I don't think I want to vote myself RC or KK. The fact she still has 3 vote's feels kinda gross.
I don't believe jame's points on kiana, which mostly revolve around what looks logical/illogical and how that relates to alignment. I don't like their inability to form reads though. I'm not ready to attribute that to scum yet though. If kiana is new to the game and just got drilled that hard, their interaction with James could be town.
In post 285, brassherald wrote:Lots has happened during my date night last night. I'm closer to null on James right now than before because some really good points were made about him.
That being said, there is one person who posted a few times and I still don't feel good about.
VOTE: Huntress
Something feels off with her posts, and while I cannot quite put my finger on it, I'm going to go with my gut instinct for her. Still FoS at Kiana.
Early game poe leaves me suspicious, and I don't think your town cases are convincing enough to follow through voting like this.
I'm concerned about kiana not being able to form reads and only seeming to show up when called out now
I agree with the bad reads bit. Not giving her the benefit of the doubt for long. Like I wanna see some kind of development of her reads before I'm confident about this read but it's an ok D1 read I think.
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Post #425 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:48 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 421, Kiana Kaslana wrote:Translation: Kiana is scumreading me still, so my efforts to be nice are in vain, let me find a reason to put my vote back on Kiana because it's the only way I can possibly win.
I like you.
No I definitely think you're town. Impede is lynchbait as either alignment (I've played with him more than anyone else). Read me how you will
pedit: this game has gone to the birds. quack quack
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Post #429 (isolation #12) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:44 pm
Postby the worst »
Kinda hard to explain but I was starting to get this niggling uncertainty about your hop on the wagon. It kinda looked like you might have been intentionally withholding reads or trying to plug a mislynch without actively pushing the wagon (getting KK to do the dirty work for you).
It's still not impossible ig but your list doesn't feel scum motivated at all. Generally it feels like you're trying to gamesolve anyway so I think I'm predisposed to townreading you.
Happy to oblige re reads list. I think I'll have a better gauge of players as I get to actually interact with them but for now
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Post #432 (isolation #13) » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:17 pm
Postby the worst »
Phoneposting at work is hard
Locktown on KK is probably a bit too generous but tbh as far as a D1 tone based locktown goes I actually don't mind it. She's obvnewbtown to me. If I read her with an "awkward posting style newbie lens" she totally checks out. The case against her was weird and she came off towny in early interactions. Also certain meta reasons on this slot which I can elabote on if you'd like.
I haven't seen a way to read Huntress. Nothing has pinged me one way or another and I'm not really seeing particularly strong intent from either alignment in her posts. Her activity is low but at this stage I feel like she's closer to disengaged from the game than actually intentionally lurking.
Brass kinda felt like he was trying to put on a show? Like lmk if this sounds ridiculous and I'll chronologise it but imo he was trying to appear towny and play a consistent narrative. I am 100% comfortable pressuring his replacement right off the bat.
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Post #584 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:32 pm
Postby the worst »
This wagon is kinda gross tho
What is the function of pushing a lynch on a lurk slot? I can't see a situation where we benefit.
The only niggling doubt here is how confident RC seems. His reasoning is shithouse and blamed on a weird gutread. Scum pushing a mislynch on such scummy reasoning seems way below his level.
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Post #596 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:52 pm
Postby the worst »
If Kiana is scum her partner is RC. I think a big part of my townread on her is how like aggressively isolated she appears to the entire player list and RC is the exception.
But out of the possible scumteams this is amongst my least favorite. It literally reminds me of a paranoid dream I had during my first newbie game here
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Post #598 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:03 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 582, BK444 wrote:Didn't think I'd be doing this but fine. It'll clear up some answers.
UNVOTE: Kiana
VOTE: Huntress
If you're wrong, you know what has to happen.
If you are scum and know that Huntress is town this firstly asserts that your vote on Huntress is information based and secondly sets up a wagon on RC tomorrow.
So maybe it's a bit bold to say it makes you confscum but I'm profound often and hate logic. Either way if Huntress flips green I will be voting this reactively.
OK I'll re-read KK's ISO around Text and Huntress before I PoE this. I guess neither of them seem like ridiculously impossible now that I think about it but you were the only scum partner who came to mind naturally.
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Post #605 (isolation #30) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
Postby the worst »
Okay I'm officially headfucked
It's like you searched your ISO for the nicest thing you've said about BK and quoted it. This feels way closer to buddying than trying to actually reaffirm a townread
UNVOTE: I need to think through some shit
BK444 wrote:
In post 598, the worst wrote:If you are scum and know that Huntress is town this firstly asserts that your vote on Huntress is information based and secondly sets up a wagon on RC tomorrow.
After seeing it like that, I can see why you'd think it that way. However, why would I try to defend a townie that's getting band wagoned as scum? Wouldn't I want an easy mislynch to get to night faster?
RC also would've been band wagoned anyway if Huntress was townie, since he said he seemed so confident in his read.
From a theory point of view you'd slow down the wagon for towncred, the "TOLD YOU SO!!!!" factor when the townie eventually flipped. This is not a read, just an answer. My brain is frazzled rn
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Post #610 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:24 pm
Postby the worst »
I just had a quick scroll through and like. Either it's what you're saying or on rereading your own ISO that's the moment you can spin changing your read on BK. You scumread him so hard on replace in then seemed to have talked about other stuff.
I'm not scumreading you based just off this. It's more just that I need to give you another read and probably more importantly reconsider how confident I am on scum!BK.
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Post #613 (isolation #32) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:29 pm
Postby the worst »
RC can I ask you some questions from a meta PoV?
Self meta is bullshit at a minute level but I think you'll have a strong understanding of like. How you generally present as a player. Sorting you with any kind of confidence is hell.
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Post #619 (isolation #34) » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:34 pm
Postby the worst »
Alright thanks. I'm out of stuff to throw at this thread.
I'll go do some reading.
Pedit: hope you're feeling a little better Soul. You missed me on your reads list tho
I won't torment you too much but why are you townreading BK and why are you null on flubs/text?
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Post #665 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:05 pm
Postby the worst »
I don't know your scum meta RC. All I meant is you're clearly a much more experienced player than I am so applying newbscumtells to you would be ridiculous. Also on re-read I don't really feel either of the scumteams you suggested for KK, RC (noting you've effectively redacted them anyway).
Both of my biggest townreads are lock scum on me so I'll definitely want to revisit this post game if that's alright. :/
Whoever sees this first - please bear with the weird question. How objectively scummy do I seem right now?
For now though I'm actually liking James the least. VOTE: James
In post 680, Text Generator wrote:RC, in post game, you should look back at your reaction tests and consider how often you correctly predicted what a scum reaction would look like.
Here's the thing: RCing takes time. I'm bad immediately but then over time when more pages accumulate and more time passes I get better and better.
As a past victim I'll back this 100%. I don't think I've seen better town play than RC in our last game together.
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Post #697 (isolation #40) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:48 pm
Postby the worst »
I know for a fact I'm town. BK's slot has not been easy to sort so yeah I think he'd be a good wagon. Brass was scummy as hell and as much as BK presents as a lot more towny I have a feeling he's a more discrete player than Brass.
Sorry but I just can't put stock into your reads RC. Firstly I don't think you have an ounce of ability to read me what so ever. Secondly like you're townblocking based on meta to the point where you're giving Soul a free ride?..... He's a newbie with a single completed game as town and he's playing completely differently here. I'd love to hear your meta case on him because it feels totally half assed.
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Post #714 (isolation #43) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:02 pm
Postby the worst »
"what can you use to prove you are town?" is like the worst question possible. Get a Neo or cop to clear me if there is one? Idk.
I don't give a shit whether your wagon is popular or not. I am struggling to sort your slot decisively so a wagon on you would be super helpful. The fact you're taking what he's saying at face value like immediately after he admitted to constantly deceiving town is cringey.
In post 714, the worst wrote:I don't give a shit whether your wagon is popular or not. I am struggling to sort your slot decisively so a wagon on you would be super helpful. The fact you're taking what he's saying at face value like immediately after he admitted to constantly deceiving town is cringey.
Why shouldn't he: do you think that I am deliberately being deceitful right now and/or scum?
1. This is impossible to read. Rn I don't see any reason to assume this isn't another stupid 'reaction test'.
2. No.
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Post #747 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:36 pm
Postby the worst »
Even if you try to lynch me I'll just take off my head! Chilly Down and so forth
But scared is the wrong word, like you're really enjoyable to play with, I enjoy this kinda pace of games. I don't really put a lot of stock in your ability to read me but the momentum is fucking sweet and I'm like 99% sure you'll find the actual scum off vca/wagon analysis if town want me dead today.
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Post #764 (isolation #56) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:21 pm
Postby the worst »
How do you figure I "slipped"? Reread mine and rc's comments around his gambit and the suggested cw.
To me you're a better wagon than me any day. I make NO apologies for that and if you think it's scummy to want to wagon a scumread then I can't help you.
It's just amazing to me that your reads flipped after a more experienced town leader player pulled off a gambit to achieve the exact same outcome. You're scum sheeping a town-pushed mislynch.
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Post #768 (isolation #59) » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:27 pm
Postby the worst »
In post 766, BK444 wrote:You haven't proved how you're town yet. I have my reasons to believe RC isn't scum, and it's fairly obvious as to how.
You slipped by trying to join a BW on me when it was getting popular. Do I have to spoon feed you every sentence I say?
Of course you wouldn't want to be wagon'd, you want the guy who's been ripping apart contradictions and scummy play by the second. You want me gone so I can't point out your scummy play. Is that it?
And now you claim my reads flipped. I was neutral against you since you barely posted until you just suddenly decided to join a BW. You are nothing.
I've also been throwing weak shade when pointing out scummy statements? Like yours?
Also, if you didn't notice it until now, then how come you tried to BW against me before?
RTFT
I refuse to believe you're actually not following to this extent. :/