Newbie 1916: Epic Music [Game Over!]

[teacher]

UNVOTE: roomy

roomy and Skellen currently strike me as soft town.

I dont disagree with your instincts, but why unvote? Nobody else has removed their RVS and there is absolutely no danger of a lynch. What does it accomplish?

Can you answer my self-meta questions from 19 - I know youve already answered 1 and 4, but Id be interested in 2 and 3 as well.

[teacher]

Dang it, forgot the pagetop in my sleep-deprived fog. Sorry.

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.2

CatStar (2): LewisMCYoutube, Skellen [L-3]
Clemency (1): teacher
Birdy (1): CatStar
LewisMCYoutube (1): roomy
Skellen (1): Emperor flippyNips

Not Voting (3): Birdy, Clemency, TemporalLich


With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-02-18 11:05:00)

Spoiler: Vote Change Tracker/Vote Links Day 1

teacher -> Clemency
CatStar -> Birdy
LewisMCYoutube -> CatStar
roomy -> LewisMCYoutube
Emperor flippyNips -> Skellen
TemporalLich -> roomy , Unvote
Skellen -> CatStar

Spoiler: Wagon Change Tracker Day 1

CatStar (2): LewisMCYoutube, Skellen
Clemency (1): teacher
Birdy (1): CatStar
LewisMCYoutube (1): roomy
Skellen (1): Emperor flippyNips
roomy (1-1): TemporalLich

[TemporalLich]

Can you answer my self-meta questions from 19 - I know youve already answered 1 and 4, but Id be interested in 2 and 3 as well.

As town I would try to find scum based on instincts and posts. As scum, I would pretend to do so while hiding in the darkness.

[CatStar]

it strikes me as odd that some answers to the scumtell question are themed around scummy = playing like bad town (e.g. "being present without advancing town wincon" / having incomprehensible play). especially in a newbie game, this seems like a dangerous line of thinking; scum can play like legibly good town, and town players can lurk / be unhelpful / not explain reads.

Yes... I talked myself in circles in my other game about this. I found the difference between scum play/ poor town play hard to read.

[Skellen]

1. Pocketing as an actual thing can only come from scum. It means to give town (generally leaders/influences) town reads in the hope of receiving the same. But as you noted later in thread, Clem's explicit use of the word in 40 is "just that blatant." Put another way, it is too blatant to be a scumslip, at least from a player as good as Clem. His use of it here is a NAI joke consistent with the personality in his avatar. I took it as a way of sharing a townread on you and me with the board, but not as informative of his own alignment.

2. I wont get AI indicative data on pressuring Clem. He will just joke it off. Flippy I might learn something from. Clem will join wagons when asked to, but tends to withhold his real views until wagons actually start smelling like they might lead to rope.

1. Well yeah, I interpreted his post also like that, the way he phrased that still strikes me as weird, why even doing it so ambigious? I got by your little interaction with him that this might be his thing in terms of play style, therefore I am hesitating. Guess I will give it the benefit of doubt for now and watch where he goes with that, however personally I am not really fond of the "too scummy to be scum" card as it is a good way to cause confusion.

2. Alright. What you are saying here makes sense in context of Clem's seemingly usual play. But then I wonder why you even voted Clem in the first place? If you know how Clem will behave anyway and that it would lead nowhere (at least only considering Clem himself) why not going for another player you are familiar with? To clarify I get that you going after flippy and randomvoting Clem are two different pair of shoes. But it looks a bit like casually throwing the randomvote away considering your stance on Clem.

@Lich:
Looks like you forgot to answer teacher's other question regarding the vote in #50?

[Clemency]

i just like people underestimating me d:

[TemporalLich]

I removed my RVS vote for safety, don't wish to be on a town's wagon

[Clemency]

i like to think of wagons as a tool
people tend to show their true colors more when at l-1/l-2
of course that can be dangerous when you've got reckless players in the game

[Clemency]

@teacher -- what's your experience been with clem?

1 game - Newb 1909. That's my last completed game, played while I was on winter break. He was a good town player as PR there, but someone with more experience suggested that the effort was a slight deviation from the mean of being memey and nullish, so I wanted to structure my expectations according to his response and commitment here.

Congrats on earning an early town read for yourself, the first out of null either way for me.

haha, slight

[Clemency]

i might be slightly less or slightly more useful this game depending on how i allocate myself
i've got far too many games(around 6) going atm, so i'm waiting for those to end one by one

[Clemency]

skellen's my only actual townlean btw, i wouldn't expect such proactivity from someone inexperienced as scum in forum mafia
i'm more vary about players like teacher who stand a fair chance at getting me too comfortable

[Clemency]

i'd love to see some input about this game from lewisMC and also birdy once they come around

[Frozen Angel]

Emperor flippyNips and LewisMCYoutube are prodded. They have 24 hours till (expired on 2019-02-12 06:05:00) to respond to this prod.

[TemporalLich]

Clemency is pretty much my only possible townread, the rest seem to be neutrals

[roomy]

UNVOTE: Lewis
VOTE: TemporalLich

wanted to get this in before bed — weird comment above, after going so far as to unvote me because he “didn’t want to be on a town’s wagon” — note the language there, it’s assured (re: my comment earlier about scum knowing alignment) — I don’t think that’s a straight up scumslip but that earlier level of confidence combined with the above waffly post is sketchy enough for a vote for me.

Lich, what changed about your reads on skellen and I? what about Clem gives you a town read?

[TemporalLich]

Lich, what changed about your reads on skellen and I? what about Clem gives you a town read?

Regression toward the mean to be honest. I'm not inclined to vote right now.

Clemency feels trustworthy and confident to me so that vindicates him.

[teacher]

The second beettlejuice answer, combined with the retreat from an expression of earlier copied town-reads especially when Skellen has not regressed in thread presence seems like a good enough reason for me.

VOTE: TemporalLich

[TemporalLich]

The second beettlejuice answer, combined with the retreat from an expression of earlier copied town-reads especially when Skellen has not regressed in thread presence seems like a good enough reason for me.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Beetlejuice answer? That's something I've never heard before.

I'm taking the L due to the accidental slip, trying to cover it up is pretty much just game throwing.

[teacher]

snip due to length but link for context

1. It’s not a too scummy to be scum comment. I don’t think it is scummy. (Not town either, just NAI, like most things). As a broader point though, I do have a different take than some on too scummy to be scum. If only scum did scummy things, mafia would be a much easier game to play. Look at what happened to Loop last game for you. In one of my recent games, a town PR lolhammered a known-to-them town as a way to avoid the nk. So sometimes there can be town reasons to appear scummy.

2. My vote on Clem was an expression of affection. I genuinely like and enjoy playing w him - it’s both funny and he has good reads. Overall, my view on him is akin to his likely view on me: I’m willing to give him space to do his thing, but if his actual views when they are expressed are really discordant or if we have reached Day three without scum blood and he is still alive, I will start to burden of proficiency him.

[teacher]

The second beettlejuice answer, combined with the retreat from an expression of earlier copied town-reads especially when Skellen has not regressed in thread presence seems like a good enough reason for me.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Beetlejuice answer? That's something I've never heard before.

I'm taking the L due to the accidental slip, trying to cover it up is pretty much just game throwing.

Beetlejuice - when you say someone’s name in thread and they suddenly appear despite low presence generally. The first one was to me. Both may just be when you are regularly online though.

Taking the L? Accidental slip? I’m confused.

[Clemency]

trust me, "too scummy to be scum" players (i.e Not_mafia, Wisdom) are a lot more blatant

[TemporalLich]

Beetlejuice - when you say someone’s name in thread and they suddenly appear despite low presence generally. The first one was to me. Both may just be when you are regularly online though.

Oh I get it. Not sure how to counter that...

Taking the L? Accidental slip? I’m confused.

Taking the L = taking the loss i.e. accepting you messed up

The accidental slip is when I flubbed two "possible town" reads back to neutral without any evidence.

[teacher]

Fair enough. FYI as a general usage, “slip” means to accidenrally reveal your role/alignment. Outside of that context, I’d say mistake just for clarity.

What’s your UTC/GMT offset?

[TemporalLich]

Fair enough. FYI as a general usage, “slip” means to accidenrally reveal your role/alignment. Outside of that context, I’d say mistake just for clarity.

Alright. Made an honest mistake in terminology then.

What’s your UTC/GMT offset?

UTC -5