newbie 1950, its minecraft. its over.

schadd_ · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:04 am

welcome to newbie 1950: minecraft

pictures or memes about minecraft the game for computer. i may or may not change the flavor mid-game depending on if i exhaust my image supply

Spoiler: playerlist

Spoiler: reveals

schadd_ · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:07 am

rules, adapted from nexus's

--most important rule: be nice and don't be mean--

general:

- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- Day phases will last 10 days for Day 1 and 7 days onwards (or until a lynch is achieved).
- Night Phases will last 48 hours maximum. On any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated).

This includes specific timestamps; please ask me if you're uncertain whether something breaks this rule.

Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM the mod.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.
- If you break any of these rules, you will perhaps be modkilled.

voting / player actions:

- Vote either with vote tags (VOTE: schadd) or with bold (

vote: schadd

). Note that I didn't include the underscore in my username; you may choose to use a string that will uniquely identify a player to me instead of the exact thing.
- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- You may vote No Lynch to Not Lynch.
- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no lynch shall occur.
- Following a lynch, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If nobody dies for 3 consecutive day and night phases, the town will win.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).

activity:

- You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.
-

If you decide to replace out, PLEASE PM me and don't post in thread after doing so - if you want to rescind the replacement BLEASE PM ME AGAIN and dont post in thread until i have been like "ok np"

other:

-

Aquamarine, 21B35F

is my color. Please don't use it.
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- The mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

see the following post for setup details.

schadd_ · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:12 am

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

here are the PMs that the corresponding role will receive: (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town MasonWelcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly NeighborYou are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

schadd_ · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:14 am

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, L-x, and Hammers

L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see L-2 and L-3 (2 votes away from a lynch and 3 votes away from a lynch, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being lynched, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting lynched, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counter claiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get lynched for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

LyLo

LyLo is the shortened representation of “lynch or lose.” LyLo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to lynch (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

schadd_ · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:16 am

sending roles out now. when 7/9 of you have confirmed, i will begin !!!

schadd_ · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:00 am

Day 1 Starts!

Vote count 1.0

not voting (9):

AaronFrost, Martinkids1, kokorogobrokoro, 2 funk 2 punction, Spangled, eth0s, Iconeum, Luca Blight, Draynth

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends august 24th at 13:00 central US time; in (expired on 2019-08-24 13:00:00)

mod notes

thread unlocked
Martinkids1 and kokorogobrokoro have not yet confirmed and will have (expired on 2019-08-16 01:00:00) to do so before they are replaced

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schadd_ · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:36 am

the site seems to be having bouts of slowness

2 funk 2 punction · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:32 am

Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~

Spangled · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:28 am

In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~

Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost

: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1

: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro

: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction

: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s

: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum

: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight

: When did you last consume water?

Draynth

: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone

: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

eth0s · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:35 am

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

I'm colorblind

eth0s · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:36 am

VOTE: spangled
made me claim colorblind

2 funk 2 punction · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:31 pm

I love the fun questions :,)

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

I'm on my laptop! I do sometimes check the forum on my phone, but i enjoy the satisfying click clack of the keys too much to commit to typing responses anywhere else.

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

My PM had a pretty clear majority of white text

A question for you

Spangled

, what is your favorite food or type of cuisine?

Draynth · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:59 pm

Hi everyone

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?

I just saw "Once upon a time... in Hollywood" in the cinema, it was great!

VOTE: Luca Blight
Because blight is bad :<

AaronFrost · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:43 pm

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Lately I've been rewatching Breaking Bad and I forgot how amazing that show is.

In post 8, Spangled wrote:
Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

Blue obviously.

AaronFrost · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:45 pm

VOTE: eth0s for replacing me in Newbie 1946 then immediately getting lynched. Fucking rood.

Luca Blight · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:57 pm

Spoiler:

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled

eth0s · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:41 pm

In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled

may I ask why you feel this way? I'd say it would look pretty fabricated to try and push people based on the answers to these questions, if that's what you're getting at.

Luca Blight · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:02 pm

In post 16, eth0s wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
may I ask why you feel this way? I'd say it would look pretty fabricated to try and push people based on the answers to these questions, if that's what you're getting at.

I don't think Spangled, if he is scum, would use such questions as a means to pressure people. On the contrary, I feel like it's an easy road into a game which creates a non-threatening atmosphere, which the scum-team would benefit from. The possibility is that is could lead to two or three pages or pointless questioning which wouldn't get us anywhere and would only serve to muddy the waters, for no acting is involved in answering question about what movies you have watched recently etc.

eth0s · Post Post #18 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:11 pm

Okay that's not what I was expecting you to say at all but I do get townpings from that response so that's a start I suppose

Spangled · Post Post #19 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:01 pm

In post 17, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 16, eth0s wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
may I ask why you feel this way? I'd say it would look pretty fabricated to try and push people based on the answers to these questions, if that's what you're getting at.
I don't think Spangled, if he is scum, would use such questions as a means to pressure people. On the contrary, I feel like it's an easy road into a game which creates a non-threatening atmosphere, which the scum-team would benefit from. The possibility is that is could lead to two or three pages or pointless questioning which wouldn't get us anywhere and would only serve to muddy the waters, for no acting is involved in answering question about what movies you have watched recently etc.

RQS (and RVS) is a solid foundation to build discussion upon.
You can prove this pretty easily by just looking at this page so far — already, eth0s is ‘awarding’ you (as it were) townpings for your thoughts on my questions, and while I don’t necessarily agree with that, it is something people can talk to him about. Like it or not, I have provoked discussion already, which is the only thing you can do in the earliest stages of the game. Also, RVS only lets you provoke talking from the person you vote; RQS makes for far more talking.
And I’ve never started up the discussion before in any game, so I thought I’d give it a shot.

In post 11, 2 funk 2 punction wrote: A question for you
Spangled
, what is your favorite food or type of cuisine?

I’m quite boring as far as foods go myself; I tend to like potatoes (particularly jacket potatoes) and steak, with a fair bit of salt.

Spangled · Post Post #20 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:12 pm

In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled

I do have to ask, though, is this a serious vote or just an RVS vote?
‘Cause if it’s a serious vote, that’s a pretty rubbish reason to scumread someone.
I’m mildly alarmed, eth0s, that you’re townreading Luca Blight with this vote — I’ve seen enough games where town opens with RQS to know that it’s a fairly effective opening to the game that can, in fact, catch scum — not directly, but through the discussion —that all important thing at the beginning of the game — that it provokes.

eth0s · Post Post #21 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:38 pm

In post 20, Spangled wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
I do have to ask, though, is this a serious vote or just an RVS vote?
‘Cause if it’s a serious vote, that’s a pretty rubbish reason to scumread someone.
I’m mildly alarmed, eth0s, that you’re townreading Luca Blight with this vote — I’ve seen enough games where town opens with RQS to know that it’s a fairly effective opening to the game that can, in fact, catch scum — not directly, but through the discussion —that all important thing at the beginning of the game — that it provokes.

I thought his reasoning was townie, but I never said that I agreed with it. And never said I felt that you were scummy. So why do I feel like that's what you're implying here?

I also didn't townread him for that vote. And if you don't know if his vote is serious or RVS then why are you even bringing it up as part of my reasoning for getting townpings from him?

Luca Blight · Post Post #22 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:40 pm

Spoiler:

In post 19, Spangled wrote:
In post 17, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 16, eth0s wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
may I ask why you feel this way? I'd say it would look pretty fabricated to try and push people based on the answers to these questions, if that's what you're getting at.
I don't think Spangled, if he is scum, would use such questions as a means to pressure people. On the contrary, I feel like it's an easy road into a game which creates a non-threatening atmosphere, which the scum-team would benefit from. The possibility is that is could lead to two or three pages or pointless questioning which wouldn't get us anywhere and would only serve to muddy the waters, for no acting is involved in answering question about what movies you have watched recently etc.
RQS (and RVS) is a solid foundation to build discussion upon.
You can prove this pretty easily by just looking at this page so far — already, eth0s is ‘awarding’ you (as it were) townpings for your thoughts on my questions, and while I don’t necessarily agree with that, it is something people can talk to him about. Like it or not, I have provoked discussion already, which is the only thing you can do in the earliest stages of the game. Also, RVS only lets you provoke talking from the person you vote; RQS makes for far more talking.
And I’ve never started up the discussion before in any game, so I thought I’d give it a shot.

Not to blow my own trumpet but I believe I was the one that provoked the first signs of meaningful discussion, not you; if I had merely replied that I had consumed some water a few minutes prior then I doubt much would have been gleaned from that. And while RQS may involve more talking, it is generally meaningless talking (as far as the game goes).

Spoiler:

It's not a random vote, because it was based on gameplay. You may think it a 'rubbish' reason to scumread someone, but considering we're on the first page and barely out of RVS/RQS, it of course isn't a full-blown scumread at this point. Generally, there has to be a bridge between the random votes and those full-blown scumreads - a murky sort of area, whereby more information can be produced, in the hope of leading to the latter stage.

Spangled · Post Post #23 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:10 pm

In post 22, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 19, Spangled wrote:
In post 17, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 16, eth0s wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
may I ask why you feel this way? I'd say it would look pretty fabricated to try and push people based on the answers to these questions, if that's what you're getting at.
I don't think Spangled, if he is scum, would use such questions as a means to pressure people. On the contrary, I feel like it's an easy road into a game which creates a non-threatening atmosphere, which the scum-team would benefit from. The possibility is that is could lead to two or three pages or pointless questioning which wouldn't get us anywhere and would only serve to muddy the waters, for no acting is involved in answering question about what movies you have watched recently etc.
RQS (and RVS) is a solid foundation to build discussion upon.
You can prove this pretty easily by just looking at this page so far — already, eth0s is ‘awarding’ you (as it were) townpings for your thoughts on my questions, and while I don’t necessarily agree with that, it is something people can talk to him about. Like it or not, I have provoked discussion already, which is the only thing you can do in the earliest stages of the game. Also, RVS only lets you provoke talking from the person you vote; RQS makes for far more talking.
And I’ve never started up the discussion before in any game, so I thought I’d give it a shot.

Not to blow my own trumpet but I believe I was the one that provoked the first signs of meaningful discussion, not you; if I had merely replied that I had consumed some water a few minutes prior then I doubt much would have been gleaned from that. And while RQS may involve more talking, it is generally meaningless talking (as far as the game goes).

Fair enough — although I would like to point out that that first bit of meaningful content was in response to my questions — but I do see your point, yes; the first properly meaningful content did not come from my questions.

In post 22, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 20, Spangled wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
I do have to ask, though, is this a serious vote or just an RVS vote?
‘Cause if it’s a serious vote, that’s a pretty rubbish reason to scumread someone.
I’m mildly alarmed, eth0s, that you’re townreading Luca Blight with this vote — I’ve seen enough games where town opens with RQS to know that it’s a fairly effective opening to the game that can, in fact, catch scum — not directly, but through the discussion —that all important thing at the beginning of the game — that it provokes.

It's not a random vote, because it was based on gameplay. You may think it a 'rubbish' reason to scumread someone, but considering we're on the first page and barely out of RVS/RQS, it of course isn't a full-blown scumread at this point. Generally, there has to be a bridge between the random votes and those full-blown scumreads - a murky sort of area, whereby more information can be produced, in the hope of leading to the latter stage.

Fair enough. Sorry, I tend to be of the school of thought that suggests that a serious vote is a ‘lynching’ vote; when one votes outside of RVS, it is gunning for a lynch.
But I do see your point; information must be created and voting helps that.

Spangled · Post Post #24 (ISO) » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:18 pm

In post 21, eth0s wrote:
In post 20, Spangled wrote:
In post 15, Luca Blight wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 8, Spangled wrote:
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.

So.

AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?

Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?

kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?

2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?

eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?

Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?

Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?

Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and

Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?

It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.

VOTE: Spangled
I do have to ask, though, is this a serious vote or just an RVS vote?
‘Cause if it’s a serious vote, that’s a pretty rubbish reason to scumread someone.
I’m mildly alarmed, eth0s, that you’re townreading Luca Blight with this vote — I’ve seen enough games where town opens with RQS to know that it’s a fairly effective opening to the game that can, in fact, catch scum — not directly, but through the discussion —that all important thing at the beginning of the game — that it provokes.
I thought his reasoning was townie, but I never said that I agreed with it. And never said I felt that you were scummy. So why do I feel like that's what you're implying here?

I also didn't townread him for that vote. And if you don't know if his vote is serious or RVS then why are you even bringing it up as part of my reasoning for getting townpings from him?

I’m not implying that you’ve been scumreading me; I did not intend to imply that.
I

did

conflate ‘thinking reasoning was townie’ with ‘agreeing with reasoning’ — I guess I was wrong on that.

I did feel that his vote was probably serious; I assumed (and I’ve just been proven correct) on that.
I don’t... think I... implied that you were townreading him because of the vote...
I did wonder why, if the vote was serious (and I think I must have assumed that you assumed that too), you were still TRing him, because in my view that vote was at best null.